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Wolfson: We'll Keep Hitting Obama For Lack Of "Commander-In-Chief" Cred

Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson, on a conference call with reporters a few moments ago:

"The issue of who's best prepared to be commander-in-chief will continue to drive the discussion in this campaign because it is a critical one."

Translation: We've got a winner, we're gonna keep beating Obama's brains in with it, and if we get our way, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.


Comments (167)

Is this the all-Wolfson-all-the-time channel?

If by "we've got a winner" you mean Hillary has been mathematically eliminated from the race:

From a Daily Kos diary, which does the math step-by-step and shows the work:

Here's another fun one, just to truly show how impossible this catching up notion is. I ran the numbers for winning all 82 races (70 CDs + Guam + the 11 statewide splits) by a whopping 24.9%. Her gain? Only 110 delegates. Obama still leads by 50.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/4/162042/3056

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I've been doing similar things with the numbers. I am pretty amazed that the professional journalists are ignoring the numbers. In a sense, they want the horserace bc its good for ratings. But if you look at the real opportunity for delegate pick ups -- districts with odd numbers of delegates / districts with a large number of delegates, she will gain very few delegates. She'll need huge blowouts to get the delta below 100 delegates.

I think Obama's got to get back on offense here, though. He's doing too much turning of the other cheek. It's totally within the bounds to point out: (1) HRC's lack of experience; (2) HRC's disloyal attempt to sabotage the likely Dem nominess; (3) tax returns; (4) library donations; (5) general secrecy; and (6) Bill's Kazakh connection. I also think surrogates should start talking about impeachment, pardons of terrorists, Whitewater, etc. Obama has to stay out of the muck as much as possible, but there are very strong and legitimate lines of attack here. I think Obama can hit them on the secrecy / transparency point, and he'll look fine.

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I think he needs to start talking about the economy. The war most people are fighting right now is the recession.

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how many "Wolfson says: . .. " stories do we need?

Hilarious! I can't wait until Howard Wolfson goes back to his amateur stand-up comedian gig.

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The Clinton's thought they had a winner several times before, but the Clinton campaign is all talk and no substance, so this will work against her like all the other crap she's thrown in the past, though was successful, and ended up costing her a demographic.

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Good luck with that, Howard. Get back to me on Tuesday evening around two minutes after the polls close in MS.

Make that 30 seconds.

Hey Greg -- Ben Smith over at Politico quoted Jamie Rubin in the same conference call using the terms "guru" AND "Svengali" to describe Samantha Power. Is that why you made that slip earlier? Is that a seed Rubin's planted before?

As far as this CIC thing goes, Power is right. Clinton will stoop to anything.

Wrong Kathleen - she's so low she has reach up to stoop down.

Apparently Hillary got HER Commander-in-Chief cred during her husband's Administration. Let's take a little closer look:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/clinton-genocide-and-a-c_b_90436.html

The phone rang and rang and rang and rang and rang and rang and rang and rang.

800,000 died, not because of lack of experience, they died because of lack of will.

Judgement matters.

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Didn't someone ask Hillary's advisors to give an example of Hillary's foreign policy experience yesterday and all they could come up with was a speech she gave?

And she says Obama's only experience is a speech he gave? Ummm, why does Hillary keep blaming Obama for things she has done?

You forgot about the trip to Kosovo with Sheryl Crow and Sinbad!

You are correct that one of her claims is that she stood up for women's rights in China...by giving a speech at a UN Conference. As for action and results, well, if you follow China at all, not so much, although I guess that proves Hillary's point that she can't make change just by making speeches.

Obama's camp should so make commercial using that clip of dead air time after the question is asked. Maybe then the ridiculousnes of all of this would finally sink in to some people.

Obama's camp should so make commercial using that clip of dead air time after the question is asked. Maybe then the ridiculousnes of all of this would finally sink in to some people.

Obama's camp should so make commercial using that clip of dead air time after the question is asked. Maybe then the ridiculousnes of all of this would finally sink in to some people.

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You must not have read Larry Johnson yesterday. The genocide in Rwanda was all susan Rice's fault.

The Clintons can never fail, they can only be failed.

I'd like to also give props to the "all Wolfson channel" comment.

With stenography chops like you're developing Greg, you'll be on CNN in no time.

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Oh, Howard? P.S. What has Hillary "commanded" in her entire career? How do you respond to the Zogby poll that just found Barack is tied with McCain for his "leadership" capabilities at around 34% approval, but Hillary only scores around 16%? You keep saying she's a leader, she keeps saying she has crossed the threshhold, but the voters are not buying your made-up shit.

But, by all means, keep making that shit up, I'm sure it amuses you.

I agree with some of what you wrote, but citing Zogby for anything is laughable at this point.

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Would this be the media bias that Clinton suffers from?

Yes, they hate her, you notice they didn't agree and add she should be crowned Queen of the Commonwealth! Very suspect MSM!

Greg,
Why haven't you addressed the fact that Wolfson lied about his comments comparing Obama to Ken Starr? It seems like that's much more significant than this ridiculous Clinton campaign ad you've posted.

Exactly. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Greg, can you ask why Wolfson denied his comment calling Obama Kenneth Starr?

Translation: Even though the republicans are cash poor, the clintons are giving them a ton of free advertising in the lead up to the GE. Soon to be president-elect mccain to the clintons, thank you very, very much. Maybe he'll give h. clinton a cabinet position in the spirit of bi-partisanship. Pathetic.

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So they like their odds with Sinbad, Cheryl Crow tour and the speech in Beijing? (I thought speeches didn't count.) Interesting....

Now if Obama would actually hit them back on this a little harder...

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This might get Clinton the nomination, but she'll be crucified in the media when she is forced to adopt Obama's argument in the general.

This is good. This SHOULD be one of if not THE main issue.

Obama is:

* an unknown;

* untested;

* inexperienced;

* a gamble;

* naive; and

* a proven panderer.


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I reiterate: It will be a general election disaster for the Democrats if that is the main issue. Walk down your own list of accusations of Obama, and try to imagine how Clinton will deflect that charge from McCain. Why the Democrats think they'll be able to win a campaign against the Republicans by using Republican issue framing, I have no idea.

OH MY GOD! I was blind, but the scales have fallen from my eyes due to the sheer logical force of your brilliant argument! I've never heard anything like this before, at any point in the campaign! If only she had said something like this before, she might not have an insurmountable pledged delegate deficit.

LOL...

I'm happy I helped enlighten you "The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve".

Let me know if there's any other issues or points that you need illuminated.

tee heehee

Rae
;)

There is one. Can you point to one instance in which Sen Clinton has been faced with an international crisis that required a quick judgement? -or since I know you can't...why, specifically, is Sen Clinton more qualified to be a leader of men and women?

Just one?

How about this one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

To quote Noble Peace Prize winner Lord Trimble
""She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

HRC: "Sound off, 1, 2, Sound off, 3, 4, Sound off...Irish Peace!!!"

Well, I stand corrected!

I think someone is upset that Hillary has been mathematically eliminated!!!

From a Daily Kos diary, which does the math step-by-step and shows the work:

Here's another fun one, just to truly show how impossible this catching up notion is. I ran the numbers for winning all 82 races (70 CDs + Guam + the 11 statewide splits) by a whopping 24.9%. Her gain? Only 110 delegates. Obama still leads by 50.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/4/162042/3056

P.S. And yes, I am going to keep posting this until Hillary drops out.

Still see you using your racist sheep illustration. Glad to see you continuing to dredge the sewer for your mindless talking points.

Lestatdelc wrote:

"Still see you using your racist sheep illustration. Glad to see you continuing to dredge the sewer for your mindless talking points."

HA! Look at the pot calling the kettle BLACK. This guy is such a RACIST. You must go to Obama's church the way you try to constantly inject race into the conversation. Your avatar has a lot of black on it ! oooh shame shame

What a jerk you are... As I said the other day when I explained the metaphor for my avatar to you.

RACIST!

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Why do you keep dropping the last two Ks from the end of your name. Is it because you find it hard to type from under your hood?

Obama is: * an unknown; * untested; * inexperienced; * a gamble; * naive; and * a proven panderer.

Rarely have I seen such a vacuous list of assertions.

#1: An unknown.
Don't know Obama? Check out his web site. I can't believe you've remained deliberately ignorant this long, but at least you've taken the first step by asking for help.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

#2:
In reality, Obama has been tested in over 40 primaries and caucuses, most of which he has won. He leads in the popular vote and he leads in the delegate count. He has battled a well known, well connected politician and held his own despite being a relative newcomer. The alleged veteran has run a campaign that expected to have it all locked up by February 5th, but failed miserably. In October 2002 he was tested when we all had to decide whether we were going to support an unnecessary bloody war or if we were going to oppose it. Obama opposed it. Hillary supported it and has displayed a shocking lack of character and integrity by refusing to take responsibility for her actions. On the single most important issue to cross her desk in her short career in the senate, she got it wrong.

#3:
Barack Obama has over 11 years of experience in elective office compared to Hillary Clinton's 7 years. They have similar levels of experience but differ greatly in judgement. Obama had the judgement to oppose the Iraq War from the start when Hillary Clinton was giving it a big thumbs up. On the most important issue to cross Hillary Clinton's desk during her short Senate career she got it wrong.

#4:
I think it's a gamble to expect someone who voted for the Iraq War to return us to times of peace and prosperity. I think it's a gamble to expect someone who voted for the Patriot Act to protect our civil liberties. I think it's a gamble to expect someone who voted for the unfunded national mandates of No Child Left Behind to protect local control of schools. I think it's a gamble to expect someone who proved utterly incapable of reforming our health care system in the '90's to suddenly and magically get the job done now. In each of these situations, Hillary Clinton failed America miserably.

#5:
By all means, let's talk about who's naive. Hillary Clinton voted to give George Bush the power to invade Iraq if he felt like it. Enough said.

#6:
Pandering in a presidential campaign... LOL! Is this the first presidential election you've bothered to follow. Oops, strike that. If you've not noticed Hillary pandering, you're clearly not watching this election.

New name: The Clinton Kamikazee Campaign (tm).

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

All of our presidents so far have been men, so up to this point only women have had the opportunity to be First Ladies and gain the crucial First Lady experience that makes Hillary qualified to be commander in chief. Obama, as a man, never had any realistic chance to be First Lady. So it's really quite unfair to hold his lack of First Lady experience against him.

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Hillary is not just a monster, but arrogant, and is willing to do any thing to get the nomination. She will tear the democrats apart with her continuous hate for Obama. By endorsing McCain with her comments she has revealed her true identity,a Lieberman democrat. The reason she has not released her tax return since the year 2000 is because she and her husband Bill have amassed million of dollars from dubious individuals.

Is that the same Lieberman that Obama supported against Lamont?
Just one more reason Obama's antiwar creds are a fairy tale.

Nice fictional re-spinning of history you got there.

Care to explain why Lamont has endorsed Obama and not Clinton?

Does Wolfson have a "red phone" straight to TPM Central? Is that why we're focused on this stupid crap and not, oh, say, on why Hillary told Canada "never mind" about NAFTA after (incorrectly) accusing Obama of doing the same thing?

And if Powers had to resign over calling Clinton a monster... where's Wolfson's resignation for calling Obama Ken Starr?

Oh wait... I forgot. That sort of logic only applies when it's Hillary that's the "victim."

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red phone= the gregger's iphone (pink of course) on which he receives the EXCELLENT NEWS!!!

http://pinkiphone.net/=!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!

This is what gets me...Obama gets crucified in the press and by Clinton herself for things her campaign was doing...and now there's silence, except for Olberman. WTF!?

I really wish Wolfson would tell us something we already didn't know like what is in her White House records (i.e. her "experience") rather than Hillary's attack plan. That would be a nice change of pace.

I know O has too much class to say it, but ONE of his surrogates has to, repeating KOlberman's line:

"My husband was president for eight years, so that qualifies me to do it too."

If she is claiming that eight years as her CnC cred, then we have to look at exactly what she did.

- How many times did she answer that red phone?
- What did she do in times of crisis?
- Did she have a security clearance? I don't think so.
- What the hell did she actually do?

This is legitimate. If she did some great things that we weren't aware of, then fine. But the O campaign needs to open this up. YESTERDAY. And please include Hillarycare that was cooked up behind closed doors, and the secrecy helped defeat it.

And then there's that time on the board of Wal-Mart.

If she's claiming the experience, then take a microscope to her 35 years, every nanosecond of it. And as Debbie Harry once sang, Rip her to Shreds.

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And the media will keep eating it up, and refusing to ask the most obvious question: "what experience do you have to make you qualified to be commander in chief?"

Greg?

Can you answer wwjb's comment?

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RaeK - I'll take my chances with an unknown who didn't capitulate and help lead us to a ridiculous war. He made a bold proclomation against it and has never turned back.

Please also explain how being first lady constitures experience.

As for pandering - well, let's be realists here shall we?? These are politicians we are talking about here.

Look, Obama is relatively inexperienced but Clinton's arguement that she has 35 years of it just doesn't hold water. If this is the measure, then shouldn't we just all vote for McCain??

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What was Hillary's Iraq vote, Howard?

** Breaking News **

Barack Obama is holding a townhall meeting in Wyoming.

He just reasserted why he is my presidential candidate of choice.

Audience (paraphrasing): What are you going to do about civil liberties.

Obama (again paraphrasing): I will have my AG come into my office and he or she and I will review each and every single Executive Order that George Bush issued and we will change the law. There will be a Court overseeing every wiretap we issue.

Admittedly, Hillary may have a similar point of view.. I'm just damn happy that he's addressed it.

CNN.COM is source.

Do you have a link?

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A photo op with flags and generals does not make Senator Clinton a commander in chief and more than a flight suit made Bush's Mission Accomplished a reality.

The truth is the person who is only talk is Hillary. She is throwing out all this garbage because she was unable to win in the merits against the newcomer she misjudged. Again her judgment failed her. Going this negative will also backfire. Again her judgement has failed her.

They need to run an ad using the conference call at which Hillary's staff was asked what foreign policy crisis has teseted her and there was 10 seconds of dead air...

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OMG! Genius!

Bingo. Simple and cutting all at once: silence during a broadcast is considered such a no-no for the rather haunting feeling it leaves immediately after, the impact the words immediately after it can carry it pitched correctly.

I'd forward that idea on to the campaign... doubt they'll mind good input :)

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I swear to god that if she has a Lamont-like primary challenger when she comes up for reelection in the Senate (which she should, she is Lieberman), I'm going to devote myself to making sure she loses.

Greg:

Why aren't you also questioning Hillary's claim to be commander-in-chief? She uses her foreign policy, or lack of it, rather, for the commander-in-chief claim. Can we see "fair and balanced" reporting here instead of gleefully reporting Wolfson's talking points?

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Continually smack her in the head with her Iraq vote.... Hillary's "I have bigger balls" strategy is comical considering....

Good grief, does the Clinton campaign just have conference calls 14 hours a day?

Give me a break.

I'm still not sure how exactly Hillary Clinton is MORE qualified than Barack Obama.

Giving a speech at a woman's conference in china is harldy CIC experience.

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I had never thought that I would dislike another politician like GW Bush until I discovered the true Hillary. GWB is much nicer than Hillary

I'd go so far to say that if forced to choose, I'd rather have a beer with W than with Hillary!

Wolfson is overconfident. The Clinton campaign has seized on so many messages that they believed to work only to fail and move on to another attack.

That said, Obama does need a stronger response to the attack than we've seen so far, both against Hillary and McCain. The charge of fearmongering isn't sufficient. The Iraq war judgment argument is decent, but it's a little stale.

I don't think that attacking Clinton is the answer. He's going to have to go up against McCain, so even if he's able to cut Clinton down, he's going to get the same shit from the Republicans.

In a nutshell, you pegged it!
Until about a week ago Obama was going against McCain; the two of them were having a public debate and cutting out HRC.
What happened? Well Obama got caught in the Canadian thing. And it's been downhill from there.
Obama needs to regain campaign discipline and then reassert himself by going after McCain.
And he simply has to get more specificity in his speeches, less promise and hope, if he wants to take the blue collar and women's vote.
He did it before and he can again.

Completely agree, he's getting bogged down in a street fight with the Clintons. Noone wins a streetfight with them without coming out bloodied. As he's now finding out.

Here's how you solve that problem:

Take them both on with the same arguments.

Hillary Clinton and her buddy John McCain. IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ

JUDGMENT JUDGMENT JUDGMENT

I'd also scour the record for bills that they both voted for. the more obama can tie hillary to mccain, the better.

Iran and Iraq is a good place to start. But i'd also check to see how McCain voted on the bankruptcy bill.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/clintons-experience-on-w_n_90398.html


Clinton's Experience On World Stage: "Scant Evidence"
Chicago Tribune/CNN | March 7, 2008 10:46 AM

With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record:

Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited "standing up" to the Chinese government on women's rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.

Earlier in the campaign, she and her husband claimed that she had advocated on behalf of a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda to stop the genocide there.

But her involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process was primarily to encourage activism among women's groups there, a contribution that the lead U.S. negotiator described as "helpful" but that an Irish historian who has written extensively about the conflict dismissed as "ancillary" to the peace process.

The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders. And her mission to Bosnia was a one-day visit in which she was accompanied by performers Sheryl Crow and Sinbad, as well as her daughter, Chelsea, according to the commanding general who hosted her.

Whatever her private conversations with the president may have been, key foreign policy officials say that a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda was never considered in the Clinton administration's policy deliberations. Despite lengthy memoirs by both Clintons and former Secretary of State and UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright, any advice she gave on Rwanda had not been mentioned until her presidential campaign.

Clinton's Experience On World Stage: "Scant Evidence"
Chicago Tribune/CNN | March 7, 2008 10:46 AM

With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record:

Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited "standing up" to the Chinese government on women's rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.

Relevant CIC experience

-- Flying on AIR FORCE ONE!!!

-- Taking off from and Landing at Andrews and other MILITARY BASES

-- Walking past honor guards her husband was reviewing

-- Hearing "Hail to the (Commander-in-)Chief" played multiple times for her husband

Relevant Foreign Policy experience

-- Co-hosting State Dinners

-- Walking on red carpets

-- Accepting bouquets of flowers from darling foreign children

-- Visiting/staying at American Embassies abroad

-- Shaking hands and making small talk with '90's-era leaders and their wives.

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"how many "Wolfson says: . .. " stories do we need?"

Exactly.

Greg = Clinton talking points all the time

Why can't you vet and fact check anything these clowns say? Where's their cred? Easter egg hunt? White House Xmas tree?

This website is called "Talking Points Memo" in which I assume they just parrot talking points instead of doing actual reporting into the claims by raised by politicians.

It's 3PM and the TPM phone is ringing. It's Wolfson. Who do you trust to blog his spin?

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Gregger's wolfsonian mancrush is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Idiotic, I didn't think you could outdo yourself, but once again I am ROFLMAO!!! You are single-handedly keeping many of us enormously amused right now (something we all need)! :^)

ROFL

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And how is Clinton prepared to be Commander in Chief?

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OMG! Genius!

You know, this "red phone" bullshit is really starting to wear on me. How many times in the 230+ years of our history has a president ever had to make a Jack-Bauer type snap decision, by himself, at 3AM? That number would be - NEVER!!!!! Not even during the Cuban Missile Crisis did Kennedy have to make that kind of decision (and we had nukes, what, 90 miles away from us pointed directly at us!) Not even during the goddamned attack on the World Trade Center on 9/11 did Bush have to make that kind of decision (other than deciding to continue reading My Pet Goat for 10 minutes after he heard of the first attack). And for those who will say, "well, we're fighting a different kind of enemy now", there WAS advance warning of the 9/11 attack - Bush and his minions just never read the f**king NIE or they would have been fully cognizant of the fact that Al-Qaeda had every intention of hitting us when they did. There is always a "crisis" that proceeds any type of attack, and someone, somewhere is always given a heads-up. There are meetings with high-level Cabinet members, military personnel, etc. before any decision is made (how long did it take for us to retaliate in Afghanistan - almost a month after 9/11!) For Christ's sake, can we not look at this rationally?

And what President ever has the kind of experience that would prepare him/her for the highly unlikely scenario of a 3AM snap decision (which, I repeat, has never occurred)? I'm sure that if things were that critical there is some kind of procedure or protocol, for God's sake. This is just so ludicrous and it boggles the mind that so many Americans buy into this nonsense. A great many of us seem to be suffering from severe, long-lasting post-traumatic stress disorder and we have lost our ability to reason. This ad is the worst kind of propaganda and manipulation, worthy of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. Do you Hillary supporters really enjoy your candidate's tactics being compared to those two monsters'?

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Obama is too classy to say it?? This is a problem, honestly. I don't think it's going negative to ask these questions. Look, I love the guy. I'm in deeper than you can even imagine, But I'm not particarly happy with this lack of fighting back. Fighting can be clean and he doesn't have to go in to the gutter but he does need to throw some punches.

Yo Obama fans!
TPM Election Central posts a continuous stream of news items. Like it or not Wolfson's yadda yadda is news.
Now if your argument is that the Obama camp is not being given equal time then you need to point out the conference call or major speech or whatever that was ignored. Please! I think I am safe to say that TPM will appreciate all hot tips!
But lots of the criticism is simply that HRC's campaign gets any coverage that isn't unfailingly negative.
But really, HRC is not Evil Incarnate, the Spawn of Satan, or Hitler Redux. Even if sometimes she does sorta come across that way.

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I thought so too until the "as far as I know".

Then it all became clear.

She's a monster.

But really, HRC is not Evil Incarnate, the Spawn of Satan, or Hitler Redux. Even if sometimes she does sorta come across that way.

We didn't say she was any of those things.

We said she was a "Monster".

Even you have to admit that all of this coverage from Howard Wolfson's conference calls but not a word about Obama's Townhall meeting where he was taking questions from the audience is suspect.

Obama talks substance and issues = nada

Wolfson repeats strategies that are now over a week old = TPM stories cranked out every 10 minutes.

When Hillary fans decried her negative press, you all backed her up. We're simply doing the same thing about his lack of coverage on TPM.

Well I'm assuming that TPM will in fact do a bit on Obama's Town Hall. I certainly know that I get lots of coverage of Obama's campaign and his surrogates here.
I do think we all tend to focus on our own prejudices. I remember a while back when I thought all I saw on TPM was negative HRC news. So for three days I quite religiously kept a running count and guess what, HRC was getting as much coverage as Obama and more of it was negative. But then HRC's campaign was doing a lot of real dumb things.
As I said, I think that if you bring an overlooked story to TPM's attention they will get on it.
Please prove me wrong. Hey I'm an HRC fan, I must love being wrong, right?

Hitler Redux inCarnate (TM)

JTHB,

I gotta say you seem to have made a conscious effort to ratchet back some of the vitriol from previous weeks, and even as an Obama supporter, I think most of your posts have been spot on lately.

Still disagree with you about the Canadian thing being only a "he said-she said" thing, but what can you do?

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Could it be that Hillary has decided to kiss off Wyoming?

So, instead of spending half the day in a plane and then hitting the ground running to talk to real voters in WY, like Barack, Hillary and her staff hold back-to-back-to-back phone conferences from their Arlington office?

'Cuz they got no game. They only got trash talk.

So, thanks for the tip to the CNN town meeting, Jaysin-Hussein 1414 at 4:57

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Hillary's "threshold" comment regarding her and McCain and the "red phone" will come back to bite her... Just like Bill's hardball tactics came back to bite the campaign after Nevada... Linking herself with John "I'll stay in Iraq for 100 years" McCain & fearmongering like Bush/Cheney will have a short shelf life...

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correction: CNN home page claims to have live video of a Hillary town hall somewhere, but I don't have the Turner/CNN plugin.

Hopefully they'll replay both speeches.

His was Q&A. So far hers is all stump speech, though to be fair she may take some questions later.

It is really over the top to suggest that a candidate is not fit to be commander in chief. I can't imagine that a campaign would stoop to such scurrilous allegations. I think we should call a time out right now. Lets all sit down together, take a deep breath, share our feelings about how we got to this point and agree that tomorrow is a new day and we won't ever ever be hurtful like this again.

Si se puede

"But really, HRC is not Evil Incarnate, the Spawn of Satan, or Hitler Redux."

You're right. She's just ferociously trying to be the next Mondale.