Wolfson On Ferraro's Latest: "We Have Made Clear That We Reject Her Remarks"
I emailed Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson to ask if the campaign has a reaction to Geraldine Ferraro's latest, in which she said: "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white."
Wolfson's response:
Ms. Ferraro is speaking for herself. We have made clear that we reject her remarks.
The closest that the Hillary camp has come to rejecting Ferraro's remarks was when she said today that she does "not agree" with what Ferraro said and added that it's "regrettable" that supporters on "both sides" say such stuff.
Separately, Hillary campaign manager Maggie Williams went in the other direction, suggesting in a statement that the Obama camp was playing the race card by criticizing Ferraro's remarks, which is hardly a rejection, obviously.
Late Update: Ferraro defends herself on Fox tonight, and doesn't do Hillary any favors in the process...

If the Clintons wont deal with Ms Ferrero, then BO needs to rehire Ms Power, end of story....
March 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Call me cynical but this misses the point. I suspect the Clinton campaign has looked at the remaining contests, looked at the percentage African-American vote in them (low for the most part), and has decided that going racially divisive favors her chances of picking up delegates.
Of course it is a terribly short-sighted, put Hillary's interests ahead of the interests of the Democratic party decision, but I think her campaign figures that pushing this line of argument will result in substantially lower Caucasian support for Obama--especially among blue-collar, lower-income white voters.
As to how it all plays out, we will see but I am sick to my stomach just watching it all happen.
March 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think so. I think Ferraro has just lost her marbles. I actually expect the Clinton campaign to dump her soon. We'll see I guess.
On the other hand, they do have trouble criticizing their fund raisers. Look at how they defended Bob Johnson.
March 12, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro has been very ill and this may partially account for this unfortunate and unsavory outburst. Nevertheless the Clinto campaign holds Obama to one standard and itself to a markedly lower standard. I don't know if they plabnned this (as far as I know) but it seems clear they are more than willing to take advantage of it.
They rejected, but didn't denounce, and Ferraro is (as far as I know) still associated with the Clinton campaign.
March 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
The thing that gets me is how incredibly stupid Ferraro's comments are.
Yes, her statements are racist, but they don't even make any damn sense.
There has been what, 3 African American Senators since reconstruction? Yet somehow Obama's blackness is helping, not hurting, him? How'd'ya come by them apples?
March 12, 2008 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Completely agreed. Ferraro's point is that she wasn't speaking in the capacity as a Clinton superdelegate. Well, Powers wasn't speaking in her capacity as an Obama adviser, but she still got fired.
Powers should be rehired immediately.
March 11, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
what?! the point is that hillary wont distance herself from geraldine COMPLETELY after she continues her hateful talk, not that it what she said is ok OR that what Ms. Powers said is ok. both are reprehensible statements. what's worse is that mean geraldine wont back down. faux news has gotten the better of her ego.
the clinton camp seems to be taking this race from the gutter directly to the waste water treatment plant in a hurry. time for obama to stock up on algae.
March 12, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
A common mistake: Stephanie Power (singular) is the good-looking Pulitzer Prize winner, and the once and future Obama advisor. Stephanie Powers (plural) is the good-looking actress who co-starred with Robert Wagner on television's "Hart to Hart".
March 12, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry -- of course that should be SAMANTHA Power.
March 13, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Separately, Hillary campaign manager Maggie Williams went in the other direction, suggesting in a statement that the Obama camp was playing the race card by criticizing Ferraro's remarks, which is hardly a rejection, obviously."
Reeks of Rove...
March 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
They have a very organized campaign.
March 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howard Fineman gets it...Watch Olbermann
Disgusting
The Clintons, after tonight, need to win 64% of delegates in every state.
March 11, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
They need 64% to catch up in the delegate count - but not to win. Closing the gap is important, but we're essentially still talking about a tie. What HRC needs is another Ohio-sized win in PA, FL, and MI. All Clinton needs to do is demonstrate that she has the momentum (which also would demonstrate that Obama can't handle the hard hits and below the belt punches). With the momentum going into the convention, she'll have the ability to scour away many of Obama's delegates and pull out a win. This is the strategy, because she and everyone else knows that no one will win this before the convention. This is her only hope.
Obama needs to not cry foul over race each time the opportunity comes up. This plays into Clinton's hand in the remaining states. Instead, he should counter the argument with facts such as his winning white votes, white states, and that in most states he's won, blacks account for a small percentage of the vote. Don't get angry, just prove that race isn't a factor, and discredit GF and others who claim it.
March 12, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"What HRC needs is another Ohio-sized win in PA, FL, and MI."
Sorry to burst your bubble: Hillary netted nine delegates out of her strong Ohio win. She could pick up as many out of PA, FL and MI, recapture the 10 extra supers she'd get from the FL and MI delegations being seated -- and still trail Obama by 100+ total delegates. To get within reasonable striking distance of Obama, she needs to win PA, FL, and MI by 20 points at least, not by 10.
March 13, 2008 3:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Olbermann will have a "Special Comment" about the Clinton campaign Wednesday, he just announced.
March 11, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh really?
I wonder if Keith will be wearing his little girly cheerleading outfit and bring his pom poms while he does his kicks and cheers for Obama. That girly man just loves his Obama man.
March 12, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's campaign is flip-flopping on rejecting racism. Who's in charge Maggie or Wolfbreath?
Hillary disagrees.
Maggie says Obama is playing the race card.
Wolfson rejects Ferraro's remarks but not her cash.
March 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like the Clinton team isn't playing off the same playbook at the moment.
Wolfson talks out of the left side of his mouth (good cop) and Maggie Williams is talking out of the right side (bad cop).
And never the twain shall meet.
March 11, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I see these conflicting statements, I alternate between thinking the Clinton camp is really clever or completely inept.
March 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
(from Ben Smith's blog) from April 15, 1988's Washington Post, an old quote from Geraldine Ferraro:
"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race"
March 11, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
wowwwwwwwwww
To hell with her and her cocaine dealing offspring.
March 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Clinton does not respond strongly against Ferraro, she is beyond contempt. She will do anything to win.
March 11, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary does not fire her or ask her to leave her campaign, she will be ruined. She will then be associated with racism as McCain has with anti-catholic and anti-jewish bigotry. She cannot just say that they do not agree with this point of view. I mean come on. Remember politics 101 says that sometimes political gaffes sometimes can be the obvious truth, of which you cannot speak of. It would be exactly the same as if Obama came out and said Hillary is where she is today because of her husband. Everyone knows it but it is so bad to say because it is below the belt. BTW it was just announced by msnbc that Obama got blacks 9 to 1. Wonder if this had any effect on this?
March 11, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, we want Samantha Power back then, if a verbal slap on the wrist is all we need, let's get Power back.
March 11, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can you reject those comments, but then accuse Obama of playing the race card. It makes no sense.
March 11, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMAO. You expected sense where political advantage can be wrung from nonsense? The Clintons are a lot of things, but above all they are opportunists.
March 12, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The more different things you say, the more likely it is that some narrow demographic wedge will hear something it likes. That's how she campaigned back when she was still inevitable. Why does it surprise us they're reverting to type when their backs are against the wall?
March 11, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are watching the Clinton Legacy go down the drain right before our eyes...
March 11, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Barbara Bush, when asked what she thought of Ferraro said she couldn't respond, however, the word she was thinking of rhymes with "rich"[10]. Later that evening Mrs. Bush called Ferraro to apologize for allegedly calling her a "witch"."
- Wikipedia
Maybe she's just a loudmout jerk?
Also I thought this b---- word was a taboo for feminists? Nice hypocrisy.
March 11, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am no fan of the Clintons.
But I had reconciled myself to voting for Hillary if she were the nominee, thinking that we just cannot endure another Republican administration.
Now I honestly don't think I can vote for her. To quote ee cummings' Olaf, "There is some shit I will not eat."
March 11, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Ben Smith at Politico:
A Ferraro flashback
"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.
Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.
Here's the full context:
Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."
Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, "Millions of Americans have a point of view different from" Ferraro's.
Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, "We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I'm making history."
March 11, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
so there is a 20-year history of her making racially charged statements. as borat would say: nice.
March 12, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro says Obama is lucky he is black because otherwise he would be a nobody: so according to "THE CLINTONS" Obama is playing the race card by calling Ferarro out. Pure Karl Rove tactics: Attack what is RIGHT about a person, not what is wrong. Ferraro makes a racially negative, dismissive, and ignorant comment --> Obama campaign reacts. Ergo...
Obama is hyper-sensitive -- not like Hillary who doesn't let ANYTHING GO!
They sound more like the Bush regime every day.
Two options:
1. Do they actually PAY Karl Rove, or do they just have to note him in their bibliography?
2. Or is he just an unpaid advisor, hoping to get Hillary as the nominee so the repubs can win?
March 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm, Greg, that was a pretty odd way to recount what Clinton said. Here's the full quote from the source you cited:
Granting that what she said was ungrammatical, it still does not equate to what your parsing implies: "...she does 'not agree' with what Ferraro said and added that it's 'regrettable' that supporters on 'both sides' say such stuff."
Clinton didn't suggest that both sides use race baiting language. She was obviously referring to the Power flap and the Monster comment. Why break up what she said in a misleading way? Odd... or maybe just sloppy.
March 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she was referring to the Farakhan endorsement of Obama. Yet, intriguingly, she didn't reject and denounce Ferraro.
March 11, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could somebody tell Pat Buchanan to get some mental health help? He's claiming to speak for women my age. Just for the record: I'm 51 years old, a feminist, and I voted for Obama in my primary. By the way, GO NANCY PELOSI!!!!!!!!!! She's been fending off telecommunications company immunity, and her remarks about Clinton today were right on!!!!!
March 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
whenever Pat Buchanon comes on i press the mute button...All he does is spew out the Republican talking points - Hillary is good, Obama only has the AA vote...Those Republicans really want Hillary to win this nomination...
March 11, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pat Buchanan is a racist, an anti-semite, and in general an antediluvian waterhead. He's a moral liability for anyone who hires him.
March 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
And she's also fending off Cindy Sheehan. But what does Cindy know?
March 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfy is Client # 10.
March 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I've crunched some numbers and Ferraro may have a point.
As with the delegate count, it's all about the math: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/heres-the-evidence-black-voter.php
Numbers don't lie people.
(sarcasm)
March 11, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could say the Democratic Party has unfair advantage because most African Americans are Democrats. What is the problem? You have to be pretty naive to think the Whites in Mississippi were going to vote for Obama. Look at the amount of crossover vote Obama got in Virginia. White folks vote for white folks all the time. Barack’s issues are issues that face the entire nation. Why are we trying to make it anything else? Obama won Wyoming; I haven't heard anyone complain, the entire AA electorate of that state is only about 1%.
I'm confused or problably naive. I don't see a problem.
March 11, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
she hasn't Rejected it with a capital R, nor has she Denounced it with a capital D. We need some R&D.
March 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole charade is being orchestrated by the Hillary campaign. No need to doubt that. That Greg has to play along with their game is unfortunate but that is part of the rules for reporters dealing with campaigns. The rest of us should realize that this is the face of the Hillary campaign. It is ugly. Look at it in revulsion. And act accordingly.
March 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro :
Wolfson's response:
Speaking for herself?
Who is this fool trying to fool?
March 11, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Both sides?" What crap! That's Republican talk! Don't take responsibility for the actions of your campaign and claim that "everyone does it!"
March 11, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine Ferraro is comparing her selection to be the VP candidate to where Senator Obama is today, and claiming that she was only the VP candidate because she is a Woman, and that Senator Obama is only where he is because he is a black man.
Here is the difference, and it is a huge one.
Voters did not elect Geraldine Ferraro into the VP slot. She did not run in any primaries, so yes she got picked without having to earn it.
Senator Obama has had to run a fifty state national campaign and earn ever vote and delegate that he has obtained. He started out as a huge underdog against a very tough slate of opponents, including Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who was dominating all the polls.
He earned every vote that he has received.
No one ever got to cast a vote to make Geraldine Ferraro the VP candidate.
Geraldine Ferraro, you race baiting creep, you were the one who got special treatment because of your gender.
Senator Obama has had to work his way to the top and earn every vote along the way. He is a great American, and you are disgraceful failure. Shut up and go away.
March 11, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sadly, I agree with the people who think that Ferraro's remarks are deliberate in their race-baiting and that Hillary is unwilling to fire Ferraro because she is quite happy to embrace a racist agenda as a potentially winning card.
The Mississippi exit polls make it very clear that there are a lot of Whites who are rallying around Clinton BECAUSE she is not Black.
The numbers, sadly, are on Clinton's side in PA and elsewhere. Evidently she has crunched the numbers and has no hesitation about using an underhanded racist agenda get her the nomination.
But the Democratic leadership would be making a tragic mistake in pursuing this strategy. Not only will they lose Black voters in November; they will also lose the votes of those of us who are not Black but who cannot and will not vote for a candidate who is overtly racist even if she is a Democrat.
The Clintons are and always were junk-yard dogs: they will do anything to win, however base. And if they cannot win, they just don't care about what the costs are to the Party of the country.
March 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am with you on that. If Hillary gains the nomination through such racially divisive tactics, I will do all in my power to make sure that she ends up eating Jim Crow in November.
March 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Mississippi exit polls make it very clear that there are a lot of Whites who are rallying around Clinton BECAUSE she is not Black.
Or it could be because they are Republicans who want McCain to run against Hillary this year.
But it's probably a mixture of the two, I'd guess.
March 12, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
GMan08, I think it's clear enough from Greg's synopsis that he isn't trying to say HRC says both sides are race-baiting, just that both sides get trashy with each other.
March 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can only reflect on how I interpreted his sentence, and it read to me like HRC was trying to say that both her and O's campaign have made racist remarks. Not saying Greg did it intentionally, but it seems ambiguous enough to me, without having read the actual statement, that it was a poor choice of how to summarize what she said. Just sloppy.
March 11, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm looking forward to that. Olbermann seemed genuinely disturbed when he heard Fineman's view that this is part of a deliberate strategy on the part of the Clinton campaign (their total unwillingness to cut Ferraro loose with all deliberate speed and due contempt makes Fineman's statement ever more clear by the hour).
I only hope he pours everything he's got into that commentary tomorrow night; God knows someone in the MSM has to speak out against this horror.
March 11, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think going for the racist vote helps Clinton in PA and so she is going for it! It's a new, unforgivable low. I was thrilled to see Nancy Pelosi's comments - now there is a fellow Italian woman I can be proud of!
March 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
She isn't merely going for the racist vote, she is inciting and legitimizing and affirming the racist vote by running a racist campaign.
March 11, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Hillary's response to this was fine. They can't really fire her since she's just a supporter. Still, I'd like to see every company she's associated with cut ties with her (including Fox News, though that's unlikely)
March 11, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine Ferraro is a nasty old white woman. We wouldn't be attacking her if she wasn't.
March 11, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's all take a step back, for a second.
Look at the bigger picture.
Ferraro is saying:
a) Obama is black. He gets the black vote.
b) Hillary is a female. She gets the female vote.
I, myself, being a white woman over 40 who lives with and loves a black man, should really be torn, I suppose.
So why is it that I've been an Obama supporter and campaign donor for a year, and why is it that I voted for Obama in the NY primaries in Westchester County?
Does this mean I am not a real American woman?
March 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not what she said. She said Obama is successful because he is black. This is horrible. To emasculate his ability to manage his campaign is subtly racist. To discredit his intelligence is racist. I'm horrified.
Then to say that she is being attacked because she is white? This is so horrendous, I can't even begin to start. What about African-Americans being lynched up until the 60s? What about the fact that we still have an issue of lynching symbols requiring a Republican president to speak out against it? That is ridiculous for her to even imply that.
As a minority born in Spooner Wisconsin and growing up in white Suburbia Minnesota, I've felt my share of subtle racism. This is it. And no matter how you cut it, if you support this type of thinking, you are racist - plain and simple.
No one can erase the memories of..
"well he's only smart at math (don't laugh being Asian in Minnesota sucked) that's why he'll do good (I did best in my "liberal arts" classes)).
"Hey, you're asian.. tell the class about Japan (I'm not from Japan)."
"Do you eat dogs at home?"
"Come here chink boy... get off my lawn and tell your dad to go back to where he came from."
It was endless. It was horrible. I hated it. And it never needed to be obvious. It was often subtle. I simply cannot believe this. I just can't imagine that a Democrat would not patently reject with a capital R.
Thank Clinton for splitting the party on racial lines - do not blame Obama... he never split the party on racial or gender lines - those who think he does... they're deluding themselves.
I'm am so embarrassed to be a Democrat right now. I'm depressed beyond belief about this. And I'm sure that a bunch of people will say snarky and below the belt things about my commentary.. but if you haven't experienced racism first hand... you won't know.
March 11, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely appreciate the commentary, neo. As a middle-aged white guy, I've never had to deal with any "isms". The kind of innuendo coming from Ferraro is despicable, and I'm ashamed we Caucasians haven't gotten past reverting to an inexcusable core crutch like racial discrimination. What delusion can possibly justify racial superiority or animus? It makes no sense to me, and I'm sorry that it's still going on after the hard work of Dr. King and all those who have continued to advocate for color-blindness. I don't say this out of political correctness, I say it because I know there are some absolute truths we can't deny, and one is that skin color should not be a factor in how we interact as human beings.
March 11, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I agree deep breathes are in order, she is not saying that Barack gets the Black vote.
She's saying he's unqualified to be a presidential candidate and only surviving because he's black. A white candidate with his record wouldn't be in his position. Just like she was only chosen to be VP because she was a women, not that she was qualified.
While there might be interest and potential value in dissecting the actual effect of race and gender, her comments were not meant as an inroad to such a conversation. While I'm much more inclined to ignore the comments as that of a crazy old white woman has-been, the fact that the Clinton campaign is incapable of coming out and saying that she's got problems is disappointing.
It reminds me of the false accusation against Obama's voting record on woman's rights, the near hysterical memo's from other woman's groups, and the general dismissive attitude and racially tinged rhetoric of her campaign.
March 11, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deep breath? is that what you do when you hear someone say the "n" word? is that what you do when a mccain supporter asks how they are going to beat that b**** in nov? there is no time for deep breaths. ferrarro defended her remarks which implied that affirmative action is the only reason obama is where he is today. is it beyond repulsive. sour grapes. i guess the champagne is going bad...
March 12, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe we should stop throwing the affirmative action meme around. Ferraro was clearly talking about the fact that the black vote and proportional delegate selection have kept Obama in the race. Why are you bringing up affirmative action?
March 12, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course not. You don't have to worry about that until Clinton starts consistently getting 90% of the woman vote. Apples to apples please.
March 12, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro's remarks
The Clinton campaign's non-denial denial
Ferraro's second round of remarks
The Clinton campaign's accusing of Obama injecting race into the campaign
The unearthing of Ferraro's comments about Jesse Jackson from 1988
Robert Johnson waxing eloquent on Obama's teenage drug use
Bill Shaheen's waxing eloquent on Obama's teenage drug use
Bill Clinton attempting to marginalize Obama as a black candidate after South Carolina
Hi, Hillary Clinton. Race-bait lately? It couldn't be a campaign strategy, could it? Nah...
March 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still with this, Greg, _still_? Just pounding away and pounding away until by sheer force of repetition it just has to be true? The statement suggests NO SUCH THING. Ben Smith said it did, and you parroted him, and Kos parroted him, and now it's blogospheric wisdom, once again, even though the statement says NOTHING LIKE THAT.
Read it. I'm begging you, read the damn thing. Then explain your interpretation. Don't just read it pre-framed by Ben Smith and then pass it on, frame intact, without using some critical thinking of your own.
March 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just read it and it's really unclear what Williams was saying. It could certainly be interpreted as Ben and others took it, where "false, personal and politically calculated attacks" referred to the Obama campaign's complaints. The alternative is that she was referring to Ferrero's comments. The context seems to imply the former though.
March 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I do think that Williams was saying that the Obama campaign response was a personal attack on Clinton. But to get from that the idea that Williams was accusing the Obama campaign of counter-race-baiting requires a leap that no one has justified.
IMHO Williams is saying, OK, yes, Obama campaign, you made your point, we said we disagreed with Ferraro, and we're ready to move on, but you won't let it drop, and you seem to be milking it for all it's worth. We've taken our licks, so knock it off already.
She did not say anything like, "Once again the Obama campaign cries 'racism.'" But all over the blogs people are reacting as if she did. And they're not showing their reasoning.
Should the Clinton folks rightfully expect the Obama folks to let it drop? No. Did they bring a lot of this on themselves for the Farrakhan reject-and-denounce nonsense? Yes.
But Williams did not accuse the Obama campaign of playing the race card, and TPM should stop spreading that around.
March 12, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I have been sick of the clintons since the 90's, but I am really sick of them now. Really, really.
This statement says it all:
Separately, Hillary campaign manager Maggie Williams went in the other direction, suggesting in a statement that the Obama camp was playing the race card by criticizing Ferraro's remarks, which is hardly a rejection, obviously.
How can anybody with a brain support these monsters? They are monsters and could care less about people, the country and the democratic party. All they care about is their own self aggrandizement.
If we have to have a woman nominee to satisfy the feminists and women in the party who are so bent on a woman regardles of the fact that the woman is a lying, disgusting animal, I hereby nominate Nancy Pelosi for President. Pelosi would make a great president, as would obama. Clinton would be pathetic even if she got that far, which she wouldn't. Pelosi for President!!!!! That would be a compromise, with obama as VP. That would shake up the country and I guarantee that obama would be her VP.
March 11, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
One other point, where in the f*ck has this woman been for over 20 years?????? I can't believe that anyone pays attention to her. This is a total joke.
March 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Clinton campaign thought they could thread the needle with this one. Just as they "denounced" the circulation of the Somali photo of Obama while arguing that the larger point was correct and the press would have been all over Hilary for the same thing - they thought they could "reject" the Ferraro remark while claiming that Obama was playing the race card. Then Ferraro kept repeating the statement and hers similar historical statements came out and the whole affair blew up in their face.
I think they were trying to play cute with the racist dogwhistle stuff and they got called out on it. I'm certain they are not happy with these developments.
March 11, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess I'm the only one who heard her say " I'm a person who is for discrimination for 40 years" in that video
She certainly isnt making anything better for Clinton. Cant wait for Olbermann tomorrow.
March 11, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll also say, I was skeptical of the Obama campaign's decision to call shenanigans on this but I think it has worked in exposing the dark underbelly of the Clintion playbook.
March 11, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfson is a son of a bitch.
10:43....now its 58% to 39%.
I shall sleep well tonight.
March 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Didn't do Hillary any favors"
Sheesh...what a naif
March 11, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, but note that they don't denounce them.
March 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's another gem from the Faux interview- she basically threatens not to raise money for Obama if he is the nominee. Is this a joke?! Has she never heard of the Internet? Is it because of people like this that Clinton has been behind in fundraising?
Turn the page, Democrats, let's start a new chapter in American History.
March 11, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons are parasites
March 11, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is sad that it is now confirmed that Geraldine Ferraro is a racist.
It is sad that SHE USED THE SAME WORDS AGAINST JESSE JACKSON in 1988 and joined Koch, Ronald Reagan in diminishing Jackson's candidacy.
It is sad that she made these comments ON FOX NEWS, and went back to defend herself again on FOX NEWS.
It is sad that Maggie Williams, the devil's advocate, fervently defended her.
It is sad that Hillary Clinton has refused to show some spine.
It is a shame that this is coming from Democrats, NOT Republicans.
It is a pity that majority of Hillary Clinton supporters and voters are racists .... yes .... racists.
It is unfortunate that what we never knew about Geraldine Ferraro, may be what we don't know about Hillary Clinton.
The full story is here:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/BUSTED_Ferraro_made_SAME_racist_comment_about_Jesse_Jackson
March 11, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
They know just what they are doing - speaking to two constituencies.
1. Get media to calm down by saying they have rejected when they haven't really done that too much
2. Get segment of population to think racially - helps them.
March 11, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a snark addict, but this is just sad. This is not what the Democratic party--at least in theory--is supposed to be about. Congrats to Obama on Ole Miss.
March 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton campaign is following a formula created by Bill in South Carolina: when in doubt trash Obama for being Black. When you called on your petty and small-minded racist act -- puff up and behave as if this is a scurrilous charge being concocted by a sensitive Black guy or in Jerry Ferraro's case -- claim reverse racism.
It is all so very sick and transparently racist that it makes me wonder how long it will be possible for Bill Clinton to keep his office in Harlem.
I'm reminded of Dick Gregory's take on all of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAcN5iKArQU
March 11, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now is the time, Unpledged Superdelegates (yeah, I'm looking at you) to take a stand.
Do you approve of Ms. Ferraro's rhetoric and its place in the Democratic party, or do you denounce and reject it?
Yeah, I'm looking at you. Time to pi$$ or get off the pot.
March 11, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
To those of you saying "we should get Power back":
I think it would behoove the Obama campaign to behave in a manner more upright than the Clinton campaign, not to base its behavior on that of the Clinton campaign.
Similarly, I don't actually think that Obama should be calling for the Clinton campaign to get rid of Ferraro in the first place.
Rather, I think that he should be saying something like (but phrased more velvet-hammery than) "Senator Clinton is well within her rights to retain the services of any adviser, no matter how abhorrent that person's statements may be. That's Senator Clinton's decision, not mine."
March 11, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
March 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto. They have to stop playing the clintons' game. They have been doing so well until this ferraro bs. Just keep saying that they take the clintons at their "word." Everyone with half a gd brain knows how much that is worth, Zippo.
On anothe note, I guess fox entertainment is vying to be the new clinton news network. Major competition between the two right-wing corporate media conglomerates. Pathetic.
March 11, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
People are arguing that Obama should pack his unity speech in, but now might be the perfect time to use it. He should use Ferraro's depressing comments as the jumping off point for a reminder that he is the candidate of everyone.
March 11, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slip in "Judgment" somewhere in there.
March 11, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Free publicity. Hillary must be woefully short of cash.
March 11, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
IMHO, Hillary's unwillingness to unambiguously reject, renounce, disavow and condemn Ferraro's execrable comments (plural) would, in a just universe, prove as politically fatal as George Allen's "Macacca" moment.
The party elders need to start leaning on Hillary E. Coyote behind the scenes, or something. The Dem party shouldn't have to countenance her pulling this ACME-instant-southern strategy crap for the next six weeks.
March 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This should be proof that HRC doesn't give a damn about the party's chances in November. Dean, Gore, and the rest of leadership need to grow a pair and get her out of the race now.
March 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think she'll go by just being asked by the party leadership. The Supers need to take a stand and grow a pair and run far, far away from HRC's dirty campaign. This could hurt them, too, not by compromising the November election, but their own political careers as well.
March 11, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know what the policy on censorship is here, but can I be the first to say: Geraldine Ferraro, Go Fuck Yourself.
March 11, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice excuse Wolfson--learning from McCain and Hagee, huh?
Maybe Roger Stone was right about Hillary all along...and her proxy female attack dog.
March 11, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if Dean should (he has to play the ref in all this come August), but definitely Gore, Richardson (don't think Clinton wouldn't go there with a Latino), and Edwards should step in and shut it down. The best time would be about 2 weeks from the Penn. primary. They can space each of them out by a day or two, and take over the news cycle. Edwards first (he can stump to downscale voters), Richardson second (talk up foreign policy), and finally Gore (turning the page, the final nail in the coffin). Pelosi can feel free to jump in whenever.
Get there, guys!
March 11, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fiona Apple (Not in Love lyrics):
Conversation once colored by esteem
Became dialogue as a diagram of a play for blood
Took a vacation, my palate got clean
Now I can taste your agenda
While you're spittting your cud
And it doesn't make sense
I should fall for the kingcraft
of a merit-less crown
No, it doesn't seem right
To take information
Given at close range
/End lyrics
Just to clarify, I've always known it's not a black v female vote. I just never realized that Clinton endorsers would try to make it that way.
Sickened cynic, I guess I am.
March 11, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a serious problem with the race issue. It hurts Obama. The last thing we need is an idea of segrgation in the party, and worst of all, people feeling the need to support a race or sex as opposed to a candidate.
Call me paranoid but I think all of this is exactly what Clinton wants.
March 11, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
One other point, I am starting to get the feeling that obama will pull this out and the clintons will be sent packing. Pelosi's statement today gave me hope. That was huge. I think that the more they flail and smear and lie, the more people get turned off. Maybe, just maybe, we can finally turn the page and do something right in this country for a change. Wouldn't that be a shocker. I can't wait to actually go and vote in a presidential election for somebody as opposed to picking the lesser of two evils. I don't ever remember doing that in my lifetime and I am pretty old. Gee, what a concept.
March 11, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah i was pleasantly surprised by her comment about the VP thing and the swipe about the McCain thing.
March 11, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A, you've been on your high horse wayy too long. It's rattled your brains a bit.
LOL
Clinton will take the white house.
March 12, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've said this elsewhere but I'll say it here too:
At this point, Clinton isn't the only one who needs to disavow this. This needs to be disavowed at the party level.
As Democrats --no, strike that; as citizens of the United States-- we are supposed to stand for equality. When an individual, and particularly when a party elder and spokesmen, tries to diminish someone's accomplishments because of their race, we need to make clear that it will not be tolerated. Not for a moment.
The Democratic Party needs to disavow, denounce, repudiate, and reject this elder statesman's statement. It would not be going to far to strip her of her status as a Super Delegate. She should have no official place in this party.
And let us all be clear about this: Barack Obama is where he is, not because of the color of his skin, but because of the content of his character.
March 11, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is where he is because he's getting 70-90+ % of the Black votes.
Blacks are not voting for him based on the issues, but on the color of his skin.
To say race is not playing a role in this election is ignoring the 1000 LB gorilla in the room.
You all want to deny it because you know its RACIST and its YOUR people that are being RACIST and playing the RACE cards every chance you get.
Rae
March 12, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please help me. Very disheartened here. I can not, morally, support an organization that includes institutionalized racism as part of it's culture.
If the DNC remains silent on the issue of Geraldine Ferraro's racist comment, her subsequent support of it and Senator Clinton's decision to keep Ferraro on her campaign staff, then I can no longer support the Democratic party.
Those who permit racism are equally guilty to those who propagate it, and by refusing to chastise the Clinton campaign, the DNC is just as guilty as those in the past who stood idly by in the face of discrimination. I feel as if we've been thrown back to the 1960s, and it makes me feel stupid and ashamed. What would Martin Luther King say right now?
Perhaps it truly is time to let the Democratic party die. Perhaps it truly died a long time ago, and I have just been too blind to notice. It is time for something new, better and real.
March 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Ferraro even on Clinton's campaign staff to begin with?
March 12, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm pretty incredulous too. I'll be very surprised if folks in the Democratic Party will be willing to put up with this latest Clinton campaign strategy.
How on earth will they be able to persuade the super delegates that Hillary can win an election when they've repeatedly (and possibly irreversibly) alienated a huge chunck of their African American support?? I don't think they'll be able to 'make nice' with a lot of folks after this.
I'm white and I'M offended enough to decide to just not vote on the President slot of my ballot if Hillary manages to get this nomination. Yes, I understand everything that will mean if McCain wins the election. But for me, fanning the flames of racial resentments is a TOTAL DEAL BREAKER. Period.
It's bad enough when the Republicans do it. I won't tolerate and reward it from the Democrats. If Hillary will be the leader of this party by having employed these tactics, then maybe it's time for this party to die.
March 12, 2008 2:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this week is going to be remembered, months from now, as the week that changed the dynamics in the 2008 Democratic election.
And I think that this year is going to be remembered, decades from now, as the year that changed the dynamics of the Democratic party.
Thank you Geraldine. I think you just made Obama our nominee.
Thank you Nancy. I think you will make sure he's our nominee.
I'm going to bed now, long overdue. Thank God for daylight savings time.
Peace,
Lis
March 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree wholeheartedly. I wouldn't be surprisd if Hillary was out before PA. Pelosi must be (rightfully) fuming.
March 11, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pelosi is a woose.
SHe's a far leftist, jealous of Hillary just like Clair McCaskill. Pelosi, McCaskill, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry (that horse's ass) are all so jealous of the Clintons its pathetic.
Pelosi will not last. She is nauseating.
Rae
March 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ferraro defends herself on Fox tonight, and doesn't do Hillary any favors in the process."
That's the trouble with winged monkeys nowadays. When you let them loose, there's always a couple who circle around and shit on your pointy black hat.
March 11, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
hilarious! now we just need a bucket of water or two...
March 12, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is the end for Hillary. I saw Carville on CNN and he looked devastated. I think he knows the failure to come out against Ferraro early and strong was a grave, campaign-ending mistake.
I agree that it was a (gutter) strategy but once again, she overplayed it. The DNC will not put forward a candidate that has claimed the mantle of the racist vote. Supers who are elected officials will not do that. Geez, even the GOP would not do that.
I expect she will hold a press conference on this because it is getting enough play and (in combination with the other shenagins) has solidly convinced people that she is and has engaged in race-baiting that she needs to put forward a serious response to salvage her and Bill's rep and even to hold on to her Senate seat.
The way I see it the McCain endorsement and the tepid response to Ferraro have just given supers cover to anoint Obama.
Maybe I'm totally off here but I was terrified of the repercussions of the "affirmative action candidate" smear and now it seems to have hit back at Hillary and I think the blow is fatal.
March 11, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, and I hope you're right on all counts. It's just too demoralizing to identify with a party whose leaders can't stand up for their members' core ideals.
March 12, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I am feeling a *little* bit better. Though still considering leaving the party, my thoughts aren't right on the edge like they were a few hours ago.
Going to give the DNC a day to respond, but then that's it - I'm out.
March 12, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'm sure they're just wringing their hands at the prospect of losing you!
LOL
March 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first comments by Ferraro were the dog whistle. It was easy to distance themselves gently, but not throw her overboard. They look tough by not dumping her like Obama did Samantha Power. Nobody will push the Clinton campaign around, don'tcha know.
Today's new Ferraro comments were the dog attacking the trainer. She went too far and now the Clinton campaign needs to respond in a new way or truly risk condoning racism. If they do nothing, we may have crossed the rubicon. If she does not officially distance herself from these statements she will wear those words just as if she said them herself.
What is so fucking sad is that Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman on a Presidential ticket. It was my first presidential election as a voter. I proudly defied my parents' history and voted for her and Mondale.
I am 44 now and I read Samantha Power's first book when it came out and was moved by the power of her words. I have followed her career and have always been impressed by her intellect.
2 great female role models. One tripped up by a moment of youthful indiscretion and the other done in by her old world thinking that appears to be more entrenched than we knew.
It's bumming me out tonight. I fear there will be many more casualties before we even see the vote in Pennsylvania.
Not only that, my cable is out and I am missing all the coverage!!
March 12, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bette,
I hope you are right. My worry is that the Clinton campaign will distance themselves just enough to survive and will plant the very same seeds in the rural parts of the state where this kind of crap will not be a detriment.
I guess I can hope that I raise my daughter to make better choices than this.
March 12, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The Democratic leadership has to stop waiting and start acting. If they don't, the voters will take this as a tacit approval for racism. If they think they can wait this out and hope they'll unite the party in november, they are naive. We are asked to tolerate too much just to accommodate the Clintons' big ego.
If Hillary manages to cheat her way to the nomination, there will be severe consequences on the democratic party.
March 12, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
My question is Where the Hell is Richardson.
He said early March that we need to rally behind the person who is in the lead in delegates. Well its now March 12th and Obama is even farther ahead then he was then, so where the hell is the endorsement.
March 12, 2008 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Vote by Party and Race ..............Clinton ...........Obama
White Democrats (25%) ...............70%..................23%
Black Democrats (44%) ...............09%...................91%
White Independents (12%) ...........55%...................40%
All Republicans (13%) .................76%...................24%
Now with those results, how can anyone argue that the black elephant in the room ain't black? The race IS about race!
Deny it all you want. These 90+% aren't all voting because they think his ideas are superior or he was against the war resolution or they agree with his health plan.
It's disgusting that African Americans are making this race about race.
And yet some people have the nerve to scream about Ferraro's innocent comments which merely state a legitimate NON RACIST fact.
Now if the AFrican Americans would just vote based on the candidates and NOT the color of the skin, then everyone could shut up. But they aren't! Its about race. How quickly they forgot that the Clintons were there for them. How quickly they screwed them when they had a chance to make it about race.
You all who scream racism at every turn yet, encourage all the blacks to rally around your black god disgust me.
Rae
March 12, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Iam sure you will love this rae
(CNN) – Florida's House Democratic delegation said in an issued statement Tuesday night they oppose a re-vote in Florida of any kind, including one done by mail.
"We are committed to working with the DNC, the Florida State Democratic party, our Democratic leaders in Florida, and our two candidates to reach an expedited solution that ensures our 210 delegates are seated," the delegation's statement read. "Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/11/florida-dems-oppose-re-vote/
March 12, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I heard about that yesterday.
They're all f****ed up.
And this election will end f****ed up. It may be worse than 1968 and 2000 put together!
March 12, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
if i had 2 voting options, and one was a woman who's campaign has consistently used my race as a wedge and who's prominent husband had publicly and on several occasions made patently racially insensitive remarks towards my race...
i'd vote for the other guy too.
March 12, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
RaeK,
Good luck in your existence. I hope the day will arrive within my lifetime when history looks back upon you and can do nothing but laugh.
March 12, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you keep leaving the KK off the end of your name. Is it because you have trouble typing under your hood, or are you trying to pass as a non racist!
March 12, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
liam, you black racist.
There you go again. Pot kelling kettle black.
March 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Geraldine! As Anne Richards would have said: you were born with a silver foot in your mouth. And as Mose always says: your mind is out to lunch and your mouth is doin' overtime.
March 12, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is orchestrated. The Clinton have shown they'll do anything to win... If they somehow get the Dem nomination, I'm voting for McCain now.
March 12, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Call it a hunch, but I expect to see some notable endorsements and Super Del moves toward Obama in the coming week.
Like Col. Kurtz in Apocalypse Now, the Monster is out there in the jungle acting on her own recon with no method, only madness. The party can't afford this. They will call in the chips.
March 12, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
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March 12, 2008 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Psst....Wait till you hear this....That Obama guy, heh heh, he's got TWO black children, heh heh, pass that around.
I think my head is going to explode. Dem on Dem race baiting. Never thought I'd be privy to such scumbaggery.
March 12, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
RaeK
You are one fucked up individual.
"You need many years of therapy. Many, many, many fuckin' years of therapy."
March 12, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
..
.
Words of a Typical Obama-mite.
And you magurakurin, need a bar of lye soap to wash out your gutter mouth.
Rae
March 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter, but Ferraro went to my law school and I've heard her speak a couple of times. She's always seemed reasonable and honest.
Anyway, I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt on these comments, but after listening to her radio interview (link below), dude, I'm giving up. Listen for yourself, the madness begins about 2:20 into the interview, when she starts to rave about how disappointing it is that black superdelegates are backing Barack (no mention of whether it's disappointing that there are female superdelegates backing HRC).
Essentially I think she's saying that women are totally discriminated against, but that Obama is playing some sort of race card if he suggests that there might be some vestigal prejudice lingering against blacks. Ri-f'ing-diculous. Someone has GOT to tell this lady that Bill Clinton was not, in fact, the actual first black president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc
March 12, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine, meet Elliot. That ought to solve everyone's problem.
March 12, 2008 3:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure she has met him. They're both taking the Bill Clinton route and going to withstand demands for them to resign their positions.
March 12, 2008 5:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't matter. Ferraro's a highly-visible and influencial in the Democratic Party; she serves as a fundraiser and supporter of the Clinton campaign. If Hillary didn't personally come out and say Ferraro's comments were wrong and not representative of her campaign, she screwed up.
March 12, 2008 3:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Olbermann Special Comment Wednesday night on Hillary & Gerry should be interesting.
March 12, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh stop crying....a bunch of babies.
March 12, 2008 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
and Olbermann has his lips on Obamas ass so I can't wait for this one.
March 12, 2008 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sort of balances out Lorne Michaels who is
a: only on once a week
b: not so funny any more
It's a fair trade.
March 12, 2008 7:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it great that the voters of Mississippi took the time to so very carefully analyze the differences between the Obama and HRC responses to the sub prime crisis, vote accordingly, and put the lie to Ferraro's contention that race has contributed to Obama's success?
March 12, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good morning JTHB, I would like to comeback to something that we were dueling about yesterday, which is actually relevant to this thread and seems relevant to all the clintons conduct since prior to new hampshire. You seem like a smart person and I understand where you are getting your perception from; however, these are some facts that kinda go against your perception.
1. All of the racially charged comments or race baiting or whatever you want to call it were pre-new hampshire. The jackson comment and the vote your race bs from mr. bill was in sc. However, as mr. bill succinctly and accurately said, he did not say any derogatory statements about obama in SOUTH CAROLINA. He specifically said sc.
Now your contention is that obama injected race into the election. If all of the comments, the fairy tale comment, the mlk comment, the uppity african-american comments, the playing the race card comments, the attempts to portray him as the "angry black man" were all pre-new hampshire, why would obama be playing those comments or the race card pre-new hampshire? He's a smart guy, right? He was up in the polls by 10% or more right before the primary, right? How many african-american votes did he expect to gain in new hampshire by playing the race card? Two. It's illogical. Obama isn't that stupid. The only candidate that the race card in new hampshire would benefit was clinton and it did. There was a massive swing right before the primary of lower income and uneducated white voters. The clintons won. I defy you to find me a quote from the obama campaign pre-new hampshire playing the race card or race baiting. They are not that stupid.
2. African-Americans make up approximately 13% of the population. How on earth could he possibly expect to win the primary playing the race card? It would never happen. He was trying to avoid race as an issue like the plague. After new hampshire and prior to sc, he was trying to shut the dialogue down, nothwithstanding what the clintons did, because he knew it was a total loser argument and was devastating his campaign. The right-wing media kept the narrative going, trying to paint him as the angry black man. The clintons actually tried to stop the dialogue because they knew it would kill them in sc and other states with the african-american voters immediately after the primary in new hampshire, but the media kept it up. That's why the clintons called a truce with themselves.
Obama for the first time addressed the issue on Thursday after the new hampshire primary to try and stop the media. Go back and check it out. That's when he addressed the clintons and "took them at their word." However, the stupid media kept it up and I remember scarborough commenting on the fact that prior to sc and prior to super-tuesday obama staffers were begging them to stop talking about race and trying to inject race in every single stupid report. The comment was that "you people (the media) are killing our candidate. Knock it off."
3. One other point on sc. Mr. bill knew that they were going to get hammered in sc, that's when he started trying to belittle the win as just a racial issue and that obama was just another angry black man candidate like sharpton or jackson. That was totally playing to the lower income white voters and white voters in the south to try and polorize the election. It was just more disgusting clinton garbage.
These are the facts. Please persuade me otherwise and prove me wrong.
March 12, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good morning!
I believe that you have your facts wrong.
The NH primary was January 8.
Donna Brazille fired the opening shot in the Obama race wars on Jan 9 when she first denounced "fairy tale" as a racial slur on Wolf Blitzer.
The Obama camp, stung by their unexpected loss in NH, began denouncing every other statement out of the HRC campaign as racist in a conscious attempt to drive up his votes in SC and drive down Clinton's. There is the infamous Obama SC memo which memorializes the strategy.
It is indeed telling that Obama did not wage his race war pre NH where it would have worked to his disadvantage among working class whites, would in fact have alienated both them and/or women.
It was in SC where blacks made up almost half the voting population and with the state's large educated socially liberal white population that the race war proved its value. Many liberals just love calling others racist and fascist, it makes them feel so superior.
And of course the Clintons attempted to halt the campaign of labeling them as racists. They knew the tactic for what it was.
After SC we saw the Obama race campaign continue throughout the South though in a much lower key. By then the charges had become accepted wisdom in the MSM and anyone who attempted to challenge them was then himself denounced as a racist. The pushback on Obama's claim that HRC's King reference was demeaning to King and blacks in general came close to working but was finally beaten down.
Nationally the race campaign has failed where Latinos outnumbered blacks and/or there is a relatively large population of older and working class whites. California and Texas and Ohio immediately come to mind.
Your argument that Obama would never play the race card because blacks are such a small minority doesn't hold water. As I said above the campaign is also directed at the latte drinking white liberal wing of the Democratic party. It's purpose is solely to win the nomination.
Do you think for one moment that when Obama wins the nomination we will go on hearing charges of racism from him?
Don't think so!
Why? Because at that point his chief goal must be to win over the white working class and women that he has so far largely failed to woo.
You are absolutely correct that Bill meant to downplay (or demean if you insist on that word though I think it unnecessarily pejorative) Obama's SC win with his Jesse Jackson reference; that fact was never in dispute even by Bill himself. He believed and I believed that he was making a rather ho hum political observation.
What I am arguing is that unlike you I don't read Bill as having said in effect, "Black Obama can't win nationally because that other black guy couldn't win nationally even with all his black votes in black SC".
I heard Bill say that Jesse Jackson with his Rainbow Coalition won SC with its large AA population but was unable to win nationally because the Rainbow Coalition did not include the number of working class whites necessary gor a national win. And I want to add that Bill was not alone in his belief; it was easy enough to read and hear much the same analysis throughout the msm.
Indeed it was not until Super Tuesday that America and the world fully awoke to the phenom that is Barak Hussein Obama.
To be fair part of the problem was that after wallowing so long in the slough of despair Americans just did not recognize brilliance when it appeared. This is not because Barak is black, though that undoubtedly played a part with some, but simply because it was so new to the scene. And of course with anything that seems to break the mold there is an initial tendency to say "yes, but is it real? is he a trickster?"
That is why Barak first caught on with the young, well before he won over the AA community. The young are by definition much more open to the possibility of the new, the untested, the exciting.
I hope that by now you don't believe that I only attribute Obama's success to his being black, his relative youth, his oratory, or his generalized promises of change. I think of these things as the pretty icing on what is a very bright, immensely talented, and supremely ambitious cake of real substance.
The icing sucks 'em in but they stay on for the promise of cake.
March 12, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, you are incorrect and missing all of the clintons comments prior to new hampshire. All of the comments that I referenced were pre-new hampshire. You ignored my point 1. The obama campaign did not respond and tried to put the cabash on the media hype about the race battle until thursday after new hampshire. Brazille doesn't speak for the obama campaign and Mr. Bill's fairy tale comment was pre-new hampshire and got all the media attention pre-new hampshire.
Go back and get the facts straight. The obama memo was post new hampshire referencing the conduct pre-new hampshire. It wasn't a strategy memo to gin up a "race war." The swing in the polls of poor whites immediately prior to the new hampshire primary was I submit a direct result of the clintons' conduct.
But for the race baiting games the clintons' would have lost new hampshire and would be sipping champagne on the french riviera. It makes no sense for obama to play the race card, he can't win playing it, that's why he avoids it. There are not enough african-american voters, unlike clinton playing the gender card every chance she gets.
Them are the facts jack. Check out the clinton's quotes and when they were made. They were all made pre-new hampshire and designed to impact on the new hampshire primary.
March 12, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry but I did not ignore your point one. What you charge as the race baiting comments from the HRC campaign I do not recognize as such. "Fairy tale" is a great example. There is no historical, literary, or rational basis for declaring "fairy tale" to be a racial slur . Bill's comment got media attention but it was Brazille after the NH who declared it a racial slur.
Don't try to pawn off that "Brazille doesn't speak for the campaign" bs. She has been out there pushing the Obama line from day one. She isn't on the campaign payroll because then she would have to give up her paying gigs.
The point of the SC memo is that it shows a purposeful plan on the part of Obama's campaign to paint the HRC campaign as racist. It consists of a series of talking points solely with that aim in mind.
We will never agree because you believe that the comments that Obama and his fans call racist are in fact racist.
I disagree.
And "fairy tale" proves my point not yours.
Calling Obama a "kid" is not the same as calling him "boy" though you are willing to ignore our linguistic history to make another cheap and false charge of racism out of it.
I think "kid" somewhat disrespectful but hardly racist. It was meant to reference Obama as a young man untested by public life, not the demeaning "boy" you conflate it with. That is exactly the sort of dishonest tactic which Obama has specialized in and which fuels my resistance to his campaign.
What you call your "facts" are nothing of the sort they are just your opinions.
Nothing wrong with that but they are not facts anymore than my opinions of Obama's intent and purposes are "facts".
I think I have evidence on my side but then we do seem to dismiss each other's evidence out of hand now don't we?
March 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, of course I totally disagree with your analysis of what was said pre-new hampshire. It was total race baiting and has been done by southern politicians, such as who mr. bill is, for decades to gin up poor white support. It's along the lines of the non-existent welfare queen during the 80's and 90's.
I think the mlk comment was telling by clinton. It totally dismissed mlk's legacy and played up johnson. It took the white person to take care of the uppity african-american. If you don't see coding in that, I'm sorry.
I guess it is what it is. I tried and you are intent on your position. So be it.
March 12, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did anyone ever accuse Bill Clinton of race-baiting to win the Arkansas governorship? I remember his denunciation of Sister Souljah and his execution of Rickey Ray Rector, which were read as triangulating against the black community.
March 12, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now why would the Sister Souljah and his execution of Rickey Ray Rector issues be read as triangulating against the black community? I don't get that one. It was used to gin up white voter support, not against the black community.
Based on what has been going on and what went on during the 90's I would be willing to bet that he did the same things in arkansas in the 80's to gin up white support.
March 12, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I misspoke. I mean that he was (read as) trying to show that he wasn't going to be "PC" by showing that he was capable of calling out -- or executing -- black people.
March 12, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can interpret it that way if you want. I disagree with that interpretation. I interpret it that he was playing for poor uneducated white votes and/or racially motivated votes.
March 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, I think we're saying the same thing -- appealing to the (white) center by showing that he won't kowtow to the (black) fringe.
March 12, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let them eat cake!
March 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're leaving out the whole regrettable discussion about whether the "Bradley effect" was to blame for Obama's loss in New Hampshire, as well as the Jesse Jackson Jr. remark about how Hillary cries about her appearance but not over the victims of Hurricane Katrina. To me that sounds like "Hillary Clinton doesn't care about black people."
Here's what I think happened.
If the Iowa win was supposed to prove that Obama wasn't just a Black Candidate (tm), the New Hampshire loss slowed the momentum, as did Nevada. If Obama loses South Carolina, he's in Huckabee territory: one big win fizzling out.
He knows he's a great candidate for the general election, because so many Republicans despise Clinton, and he's beaten Edwards to establish himself as the alternative to Clinton. He needs to hang in until Super Tuesday at least.
And as I recall Obama wasn't doing all that well among African American voters in South Carolina in December/January. Early this year, there was a story in The Nation about SC as the "black primary," talking about how Obama's rise hadn't come through civil-rights organizations or the black church, leaving many black leaders and voters unsure about his candidacy.
(In December, they had the Oprah Winfrey events. I'm surprised that the pundits haven't made more of that.)
So Obama really had to win South Carolina. How can he win South Carolina while trailing or only even among African Americans? Better yet, how can he win and not get pegged as the Black Candidate (tm) in the process? Answer, in part: run not on race but on anti-racism.
I actually remember a lot of essays about how the early stages of the primary campaigning _hadn't_ been dominated by questions of race. And I really don't see how it would have helped Clinton to inject race into the atmosphere after winning New Hampshire, Nevada, and the Michigan mess. All she has to do is win South Carolina and she waltzes into the nomination, and South Carolina has a Democratic electorate that is, what, close to 50% black.
At that point, it _doesn't help her_ to use racism to beat up on Obama. It helps Obama _a lot_ to use anti-racism to beat up on Clinton.
March 12, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are ignoring the swing among poor whites attributable to the race baiting by the clintons. There was a major swing in new hampshire right before the primary.
He was ahead in south carolina before the new hampshire primary. Once he won iowa, there was a shift in african american votes. It was not as great as it was after the clinton bs, but it was pretty substantial I recall.
Also, the clintons tried to back track after new hampshire by calling a "truce," but the media wouldn't let it go. Also, they saw that they were getting trounced in sc, so they tried to play down the win. Furthermore, they only strategically employ the race issue. They are doing it again now with PA.
I am so sick of the meme that he is injecting race in the campaign. He is not stupid. African-Americans only make up 13 percent of the population. He can't win squat if he injects race. It makes no sense. The only candidate that the race bs helps are the clintons to play to racial sterotypes that poor uneducated whites still buy into. See the non-existent welfare queen crap.
Ugh!!!! Very tiresome. It's common sense people.
March 12, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
When did this happen, and how? What was the "race baiting" in New Hampshire, specifically? The only specific example I remember being talked up was "fairy tale," which was, frankly, absurd. But maybe I'm forgetting something. I'm a member of the reality-based community, after all, so it could well be that I've misremembered.
It sounds like you're talking about the "Bradley effect," which I don't recall being borne out by any of the number-crunchers.
March 12, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh brother, the fairy tale thing was played up by the media. The MLK comments, the he's a kid, role of the dice, shucking and jiving, drug dealing, charging that the obama camp was playing the race card when they ignored the comments. I don't remember them all, I just remember being stunned. They were all pre-new hampshire. Zippo post new hampshire.
The "bradley effect" was the result of the race baiting. I don't think it was the bradley effect in any event. That has not played out in one other single state. He has outperformed the vast majority of the final polls by over 10 percent, a reverse "bradley effect". I would be concerned about and give credence to the "bradley effect" if it was playing out in other states, its not.
Look at the polls right before new hampshire and right after. There was a swing in poor white votes, that he was leading with. That's sign of the effect of the clintons' conduct.
Also, you referred to trying to play up sc by playing the race card, sorry the polls in sc before the new hampshire primary showed him leading from 10 to 20 points. Survey USA had him at 50 to 30 right before new hampshire. Of course he would be stupid to play the race card and he's not stupid. Neither are the clintons. They know exactly what they are doing.
March 12, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, IIRC the South Carolina polls swung in Obama's favor after Iowa -- the theory was that if the white voters of Iowa could get on the Obama bandwagon, then he would be more than a fringe candidate.
But the New Hampshire and Nevada results seemed to suggest that white voters were getting _off_ the Obama bandwagon, and thus the South Carolina polls started to swing back away from him.
I still don't think that the litany of early incidents were so racially tinged as has since congealed as obvious.
"Shuck and jive," for instance, is definitely a term with a racist history. For that reason, Cuomo shouldn't have used it to talk about anyone. But he didn't actually say that Obama did it, or was good at doing it. He was talking about how the early primary states reward personal contact with voters rather than media filters: remember, it was that in those states you can't shuck and jive _at a press conference_, which is why it was such good training ground for candidates.
Roll the dice is a colloquial phrase. Fairy tale had nothing to do with race (if anything, you'd think it would be a homophobic slur, but nobody took it that way). Obama really did talk about his drug use, and Republicans will use that against him; "cocaine" isn't a racially loaded term--"crack" is, but Shaheen didn't say that. There's no racial there there.
(Ferraro, there's there there.)
If anything, you could say that the Clinton campaign tried to belittle Obama as a big-talking lightweight about whom we don't know enough. Maybe because he's black that comes a bit close to saying that he's "uppity." But as the Clinton phone ad showed -- because it evoked a famous Mondale vs. Hart ad -- the establishment candidate _often_ rips the insurgent candidate as a big-talking, untested lightweight. (The Orlando Patterson piece likening it to _Birth of a Nation_ was the farthest of stretches.)
I think the Clinton campaign has run the "untested lightweight" playbook against Obama, and when they have lost with that, they have tried to explain away their losses with demographics. Since one of Obama's prime demographics, since the run-up to South Carolina, and perhaps since Oprah got involved, has been the African American vote, they've made statements about how Obama would be expected to win states with a large black population. To minimize or spin their defeats, they've talked about race. I don't think that's the same as "ghettoizing" the Obama campaign.
In short, I think they're running Mondale vs. Hart 2.0. Only this time in the Hart role you have a charismatic black man, which has led to gaffes, because when you try to dismiss a charismatic black man as inexperienced, you can end up intersecting rhetorically with racist discourses. But I honestly don't think that the Clinton campaign decided to "inject race" into the contest.
Ockham's Razor tells me that they've been running on experience vs. inexperience, pragmatist vs. visionary, and they've gotten extremely frustrated with being told that they're racist for doing it.
Ferraro is a different matter. But I don't think Ferraro speaks for the campaign. Clinton's supporters include waaaay too many loose cannons, like Ferraro and Bob Kerrey. They're not "surrogates" for a grand racist strategy concocted by The Clintons, they're undisciplined loudmouths who like to be on TV.
I voted for Obama and hope he wins, because Hillary is too much of a Pollack/O'Hanlon hawk. But I am really dismayed by the drumbeat of racism against the Clinton campaign, which has involved a lot of bad-faith interpretation of supporters as "surrogates," circumstantial evidence becoming truth that creates a slipstream for _more_ circumstantial evidence, guilt by association, and just piss-poor reading comprehension.
March 12, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good analysis, I tend to disagree, but I respect your view. I still look at that swing on the poor white vote right before the new hampshire primary and the loss. Also, the stupid truce request right after new hampshire by the clintons when the obama campaign didn't say squat. You know new hampshire is the only primary that he did not outperform his pretty much consensus pre-primary polling. That really is strange.
Anyway it is what it is. I do think that the obama people shouldn't get into a back and forth on this issue. That's what the clintons want. They are better off ignoring them on the race issues I think because any discussion right or wrong hurts his campaign.
March 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, I appreciate the opportunity to have a civil exchange. Maybe there's something to this disagreeing without being disagreeable thing... :)
March 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely, it actually makes people think and you learn something. It really is annoying when you raise a point or try to discuss an issue and get attacked for no reason.
Bottom line at the end of the day people interpret things differently and you have to respect that. When people make things up, that's another story.
March 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody needs to step up and put a muzzle on Ferraro soon. I cannot believe the party can sit around and watch the horror too much longer.
March 12, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
quick question: does anybody doubt that the ferraro issue provides a perfect window into why the democratic party has a knack for losing elections that it should win through sheer force of will? those of us who had experienced the democratic party at its pusillanimous best have spent the last several months wondering how they could possibly blow this very winnable election.
we finally found it: hillary will decide to clip the party in two along racial lines. then, for the coup de grace, the so-called superdelegates, in whose wisdom ordinary, lowly democratic voters are supposed to place their trust in the event that the rabble makes the wrong choice, will stand on the sidelines, smiling nervously as they watch the party ripped apart.
where is the outrage? hell, where is the self-interest? what scenario do these party elders keep playing out in their heads whereby hillary is somehow coronated through a non-democratic process and everybody closes ranks afterwards and sings songs of peace? what are they going to do? go to the convention with obama ahead in pledged delegates (which, despite the clinton campaign's incessant whining and attempts to change the rules to fit their floundering campaign, is still the only measure that matters), popular vote and states won before retreating to some back room where the group of mostly older, white men decide that it's hillary's turn?
let's assume that that indeed happens. who thinks that more than 5,000 blacks nationally will show up to vote in the general election? hillary will lose forty states without the black vote, which she is assured of losing if she disenfranchises the entire party.
don't fall for the clinton bullshit. there are rules that govern this primary. this is still a nominally democratic process. the clinton campaign tinkers with this at the peril of not only the party, but our country.
March 12, 2008 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Say whatever you believe is the truth Gerry, we live in the USA. I supported you in '84 and 100% today. You are being attacked for being a white woman. Obama-istas are the PC police. Truth is out, PC only please (and can we keep that to caucuses in small states please).
Obama played the race card in the LBJ/MLK spat and hasn't stopped. Attack Senator Obama's qualifications or lack thereof, you're a RACIST! What is a "community organizer?" Sell ice tea on the corner, girl scout cookies, crack on the corner, low cost Rezko housing?
Obama has an advantage in the press (can we say free ride). Of course Obamaistas, Obama's socialist non-veteran latte supporters like to throw mud at Gerry because she is an older white woman. That's correct, go after the older white woman, that's a winning strategy. No Hillary, McCain 08.
March 12, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just out of curiosity, what exactly has she been doing for the last 20 years? I haven't heard boo about her until the clinton campaign.
March 12, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. I'm a veteran.
2. I own a small business (i.e., I am not a socialist).
3. While I like lattes just fine, I generally prefer just a cup of regular coffee.
4. I support Obama.
5. F*ck you and your idiotic generalizations.
March 12, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
REHIRE SAMANTHA POWER!!!!
March 12, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Oh stop crying....a bunch of babies." --Kefa (supra)
And what exactly was your adult response to Ms. Power's piece of harmless hyperbole, for which she immediately apologized and resigned? I'm sure we could all us your fine example to maturity and fairness.
March 12, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If I did not say provocative, racist drivel, I would not be on TV today." - G. Ferraro. April 1, 2008
March 12, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
"and Olbermann has his lips on Obamas ass so I can't wait for this one." --Kefa (supra)
Interesting! And what do you know about Olbermann kissing Obama's ass, I wonder? "Ass-kisser." Does't that figure of speech signify a sycophant, defined by my dictionary as "a servile self-seeker who curries favor by flattering influential people"? What is it exactly that Olbermann hopes to get by kissing Obama's ass? And why, if he's an ass-kisser, would he not choose an ampler and more influential ass than Obama's? Is there some secret quid pro quo operating here that will help explain away, before the fact, whatever it is that Olbermann might say today? Please do enlighten us so that we can arm ourselves against listening to his words and possibly being persuaded by them.
March 12, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Either
1) Clinton can't exercise leadership and control her staff
2) She's a two-face liar who is doing it on purpose
Incompetence or duplicity.
Any intrepid reporters want to ask her to resolve this question?
Is this what the WH will look like?
March 12, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I actually am starting to believe that this is intentional by the clintons. Pennsylvania has a large poor white demographic that would be swayed by this type of garbage. As carville said pa is like alabama in the middle, absent any african americans. Also, look at rendell's comments. Soooo who do you think they are playing the race card for and trying to inject race into the campaign? The african american voters in philly? I don't think so.
March 12, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro is an example of the old truism, "You can take the girl out of the old neighborhood, but you can't take the old neighborhood out of the girl" According to Kos yesterday, she has a long history of this stuff, and the Obama remarks are a peice of a whole cloth.
Pilosi, on the otherhand, is a sterling example of someone of similar background who broke the cycle of ignorance and poverty,,,,,, to use a Jeffersonian way of putting it. Good for her.
March 12, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, so is anybody in the party going to do anything about this? If the party remains silent, then are basically approving these comments. Somebody (really everybody) needs to step up.
March 12, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am Geraldine A Ferraro and I approve this message.
I am a lifelong Dem and I endorse Geraldine A Ferraro's message even if it means the Obmamistas call me a RACIST or bigot as they do anyone that does not support their empty suit candidate.
I and DEMS over 50 accept Obamaistas' criticism as a badge of honor from the lazy, non-veteran, non-war protesting, socialist, caucus loving, FLA/Michigan voter disenfranchising Obamaistas.
March 12, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
And being such a huge ferraro fan or maybe ferraro herself, I ask again what has she/you been doing the last 20 years?
March 12, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean over 65
March 12, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yet another party leader is disgraced. By the convention, there's going to be almost no one from the past left with any credibility.
Not that I think thats a bad thing.
March 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one cast a vote for Geraldine Ferraro to put her on the VP ticket in 1984. She was handed the slot without ever having run in a single primary. She is the one who got there just because of her gender.
Senator Obama has run in all fifty states, and earned every vote and victory that he has received, so Geraldine Ferraro is making a false comparison.
You Ms. Ferraro got the VP slot because you were a female.
Senator Obama has earned his victories on merit, despite being a Black man and not because he is.
Stop your race baiting tactics now.
March 12, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shouldn't Wolfson have rejected, renounced, denounced, condemned, censured, impeached, disparaged, depreciated, reviled, and scolded Geraldine for her remarks? After all, this is what Hillary demanded of Barack when the support of Louis (Farrakhan) was raised at a debate. Shouldn't her spokesperson be held to the same standard that she demanded of Barack?
March 12, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, Geraldine Ferraro has not said anything racist or remarkable when she says that Obama has done as well as he has because he is Black. Good grief, African Americans all over this country are energized and motivated and they vote in the Democratic primary. His race has made a difference in the voting patterns we have seen. With a close election, an energized constituency matters.
March 12, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing to see here, right? Move along? It's Obama that's the racist; who, by the way, has the singular advantage over poor Hillary ... of being black? - is your head exploding yet?
Ferraro's racist hissy fit perfectly reflects who Hillary and her campaign have decided to be, and have been with increasing enthusiasm since Iowa: angry, calculatedly divisive, and displaying a hell of a mean streak.
Hillary's campaign tells us way more than we should need to know about how she, and the people around her, think, and what they are willing to do to win.
It is amazing to me - Hillary's kitchen sink employs the kinds of disgraceful, dishonest tactics that have distinguished the Republican party ever since I started paying attention. They play, and very successfully, to the worst in us - the lizard brain where we hate and fear.
Hillary and so many of her supporters and surrogates are an angry bunch, and frequently appear to be an irrational bunch. I think they know exactly what they are doing. We've been intimidated by this meanness, this divide and conquer thing, this my way or the highway arrogance, from the Bush White House for eight years now. It works. Mark Penn knows that. And so does Hillary. But it only works because the rest of us buy, out of laziness or cowardice, the cynical crap they are selling.
I hope to live to see the Democratic party denounce and reject the Clinton-controlled, corporate-owned DLC wing of the party, that is so completely mired in the ugliness of corporate-think, that sells a candidate by appealing to fear and hate and self-pity, and that has now turned to hostage-taking - to intimidating the Democratic party by making it clear that they are completely willing to burn the party to the ground if they cannot win the nomination.
The thing that needs to change, I believe, is the nervous-nellie mindset of whatever remains of the progressive coalition within the party: the Democrats that dither and wait it out while Clinton and her cornered-rat campaign destroy the party.
Obama is doing fine. He's who he is, a fundamentally civilized person; and he is running a campaign that reflects how he thinks.
So is Hillary.
Bust a move, Democrats. What about this is still unclear? Take a stand. Is this really the campaign you think will win for you in November?
I don't believe it will.
I'm a white feminist grandmother. If you allow Hillary and her corporate-owned campaign to speak for the Democratic party, I think you will lose, and that you will deserve to lose. But I'm only one person. All I can tell you about it for sure is that Hillary Clinton will not, under any circumstances have my vote.
March 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, nothing. Silence. Nobody is going to say anything? Really? Nice. The party that passed Civil Rights is going to stay mum.
March 12, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If the Clintons wont deal with Ms Ferrero, then BO needs to rehire Ms Power, end of story..."
Here here! Do it today, and dare anybody to find fault with it.
I am hoping that Barack is just biding his time, waiting for the right moment to lower the boom on Hillary and her ruthless cabal. I long for the day when he calls her out on her absurd "35 years of experience" claims, on her historical day-one debacle on health care back in '92, on her fatuous foreign policy credentials, on her commander-in-chief "threshold," on the delegate math, the opinion polls, the feminist petulance, the "I'm a fighter" hunger for conflict above all--all of it.
He needs to plunge a rhetorical stake, for once and for all, through her surly and petulant heart...
March 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I was black. How else does one become president of the Harvard Law Review?
March 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
You get elected to the Presidency of the Harvard Law Review.
March 12, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is probably impossible to overstate the degree of repulsion and rejection I feel with regard to Ferarro's (and Clinton's) attitudes and tactics. Geraldine Ferraro, especially, reveals herself to be precisely the kind of privileged, white, rich, PREJUDICED class I've fought against all my life.
These people deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule. Hillary Clinton obviously belongs to the same club, and it's time for America to move on.
March 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Laura Bush for President! She has 8 years of foreign policy experience--more than Obama--and she's white, which means she has had to work doubly hard against all advantages that blacks have historically had in the US.
March 12, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
This party is one small scratch away from completely bleeding its support from the African American community. Hillary has quite clearly gone mad. It's time for the party bigs to write "Dunce" across her pointy white hood and sit her in the corner.
Al Gore... it's time for you to endorse Obama.
John Edwards... it's time for you to put your money where your mouth is and endorse Obama.
Richardson... you said whoever has the most delegates after March 4th should get the nod. What are you waiting for? Endorse Obama.
March 12, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Plus, aren't there a couple black CEO's? One or two? I want to do that.
Man, black people get all the breaks.
March 12, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one cast a vote for Geraldine Ferraro to put her on the VP ticket in 1984. She was handed the slot without ever having run in a single primary. She is the one who got there just because of her gender.
Senator Obama has run in all fifty states, and earned every vote and victory that he has received, so Geraldine Ferraro is making a false comparison.
You Ms. Ferraro got the VP slot because you were a female.
Senator Obama has earned his victories on merit, despite being a Black man, and not because he is.
Stop your race baiting tactics now.
March 12, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right on !!
March 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want Samantha Power back. If Obama's response to the "monster" comment was a "test of character" (according to the Hillary campaign), and he got rid of her for that, even after she apologized, then Hillary's refusal to force Ferraro to resign, or to even denounce her comments past saying "I don't agree with them" shows that she has FAILED her "test of character" and it a giant hypocrite. These bigoted attacks against Obama (and Jesse Jackson before that) are FAR worse than the candid [off the record] "monster" comment. Since Hillary thinks that these kinds of attacks are alright, and is willing to keep her supporter in her campaign, Samantha Power should be back. It is only fair.
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28654868
March 12, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Powers will be back. Later than sooner probably. She's a gem, and they I'm sure they didn't toss her far.
March 12, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems pretty obvious that this whole Ferraro flap is part of a Clinton plan. Sen. Clinton should be directly asked: Can you say without equivocation that you or no one else in your campaign has been discussed Ferraro's comments with her?
Racall who played the race card in South Carolina. Bill Clinton. That didn't play so well. But Mississippi offered another opportunity to peg Obama as the "black" candidate. Ferraro is in some ways the perfect surrogate. She can disarm critics by saying, as she did, that she wouldn't have been the VP nominee if she wasn't a woman. Suggesting that Obama is benefitting from some kind of political affirmative action is clearly targeted at working-class white voters in Pennsylvania.
March 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Suggesting that Obama is benefitting from some kind of political affirmative action is clearly targeted at working-class white voters in Pennsylvania."
I've considered the same thing, that this was coordinated.
I'm not sure which is worse, the picture this paints of Hillary or the picture this paints of the state of Pennsylvania.
March 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think I've heard the phrase "affirmative action" used with reference to Obama before. Is that going around, or did you just come up with it?
March 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's Ferraro's implication, that Obama got where he is because he's black. She tied it to how she got to be VP because she's a woman. If she wasn't implying a form of "affirmative action," then was was she talking about?
March 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. I was just wondering if the commentators and pundits are starting to use the term "affirmative action." That has some implications that go beyond having an advantage with voters because of your race. It's not good if that meme gets established.
March 12, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We Have Made Clear That We Reject Her Remarks"
(but we still think it's hard to wake up a nigra at 3 AM)
March 12, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good start. Now, try the words "reject and denounce."
March 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I keep trying to see the idea of "rebuke." Clinton should rebuke Ferraro. Obama should rebuke Wright. Obama and Clinton should both rebuke Farrakhan, Steve King and the MSM. Rebuke has a nice feel to it. Puts the offender in their place. I rebuke you ..... Has plenty gravitas.
March 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Power can't come back because Obama has to maintain the high road.
The party needs to do something instead of watching the Hillary/Ferraro horror and twiddling their thumbs. The inaction of the party of the party disgusts me.
March 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed 100%. The reaction of the uncommitted party leaders is pathetic.
Not only that, it's idiotic. The more a major candidate deliberately splits black and white voters, the less possible it becomes for either candidate to win in November.
What the hell are these people staying silent for???
March 12, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
All of YOU are the racists.
It is just OK with you that your guy is winning states based on 80 - 90+ % points of Blacks which has nothing to do with the candidates but is based on the color of his skin.
THAT is racist. Yet nobody is supposed to mention anything about that advantage he has.
You are not only racists, but you are hypocrites and this is only ONE reason why your guy will not win.
March 12, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baaahhhh! It has everything to do with the candidates. African-americans are voting against the clintons based on their race baiting and racially charged remarks. It's not because of obama being african-american, it's because the clintons are trying to bring him down based on him being african-american. That's repulsive. Baaaaaah!
March 12, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baah baah black sheep. Your wool is pretty thin.
RaeK, you've compared Obama's campaign to "minstrelry" in this forum, your icon is a black sheep, you're charging the usual reverse racism. Next you'll be arguing that only Clinton will stand up for the rights of the white man.
We know blacks love them some Obama. Whites, too. Can't win many of the states he's won just with black votes.
But anyway, rant way, so we know your true feelings on the matter. With trolls like you, we're sure to beat McCain.
March 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bat Buano wrote:
We know blacks love them some Obama. Whites, too.
Your typing makes NO sense and is incomprehensible. Where are you from? Kenya??
And to put the record straight, I have never used the word "minstrelry" in any of my comments in this forum. So you are either, a liar, an illiterate, a foreigner (like maybe one of Obama's Kenya cousins) or just delusional.
In the end, all you Black Racists will see that this invented race card you're throwing everywhere will not win this race for your guy.
HYPOCRITES!
Rae
March 12, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah suh, ah's aint from no Kenya suh...
Your reply has given me some of the entertainment I'd hoped for.
Perhaps my memory of you using the term "minstrelry" could be faulty; perhaps it was something referring to some other form of black-face stage craft of days gone by.
But we can tell, from your posts, that you would never stoop to being a troll who uses racially inflammatory terms to stir the pot among Democrats and create divisiveness within the party.
March 12, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you're an idiot.
I've not used race in this argument except to show Obama is using race.
I'm not a racist. My avatar representative of my black sheep status in NOT following the majority here in this forum. You people are sheep. And I call a spade a spade when its called for. Unlike you, I see reality and I speak the truth.
You Bat Guano, are a racist of the worst kind. YOu hide behind some politically correct curtain and make an inconsistent argument and work your hatred behind the scenes.
Rae
March 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grover M is right on. The Clinton campaign is in effect allowing the GOP to race bait in the general. She's providing all the cover Rove and the attack machine will need b/c the Dems did it first. The party elders need to step up in public and tell Clinton that this needs to stop.
March 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a reason why Obama has won in many states that *do not* have a large African American population. The fact that he wins the AA vote is to his credit. Consider that early in the primaries, Clinton had the AA vote because Obama had not yet earned the trust of AA's. Obama turned that around by running a brilliant, inclusive campaign that proved that he knows his stuff and has the gravitas to win.
March 12, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only problem w/ trying to blame this on Ferraro being ill, or her cancer meds is this - she said essentially the same thing about Jesse Jackson back in '88: "The only reason he's in this race is because he's black"
As for the comment(s) that Obama's supporters are racist because he's pulling 80-90% of the Black vote, ummmmm... what about Hillary pulling the majority of the female vote? How is that any different?
LOL
This whole thing is getting uglier by the day, and will only help tear apart the party.
March 12, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those women voting for Clinton are obviously sexist.
March 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't there a difference between 80%-90% and a "majority"?
March 12, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you say: ANGRY WHITE WOMAN?
March 12, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to believe that Clinton is deliberately sabotaging the general at this point. If Obama wins the presidency, her career ambition is probably over with a capital O. This is driving her off the deep end.
She's throwing in such divisive stuff, and being so ambiguous about it. The only numbers that are changing at this point are the "would you be satisfied with the other candidate" score.
Imagine that. Hillary. Polarizing. Whodathunkit. Pennsylvania, you need to end this baby ASAP. A Hillary vote is quickly gaining the status of a Nader one.
March 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
where is 'idiotic' is these posts???
In my opinion, it was clearly a racist remark. The Clinton campaigns logic continues to baffle me.
We should all wish we were black, life would be easier that way.
March 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Obamacrats.
Don't hold your breath for a Clinton denunciation. Ferraro has the full blessing (and script) of the Clinton campaign to stoke simmering resentment among white working class and Latino voters that Obama is an unfair beneficiary of affirmative action.
By now, the Clintons have already looked past the anticipated indignation among the chattering classes. They know – in the end – this won’t matter. The message will resonate resoundingly with the right voters in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, West Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky and Puerto Rico.
This is Hilliary's Sister Souljah Moment. It’s just a rerun of Bill's 1992 racially charged Sister Souljah Moment. At the time, he was widely rebuked by pundits and the Democratic Party's African-American supporters, but got a "right on" where it mattered. Later post-election analysis would credit Clinton's "moment" as pivotal in winning independent and moderate white voters. And Clinton would go on to fix the African-American problem by winning 83 percent of their general election vote.
Now, we have "Sister Souljah: The Sequel" perfectly timed for release before the Mississippi primary where African-American would expectedly vote overwhelming for Obama -- and drive home Ferraro’s message loud and clear.
The sequel is dark and cynical. But it’s a predictable, can’t-miss hit at the box office.
March 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the Clinton campaign is rejecting Ferraro's claim that she's being attacked because she's white.
Did I miss them rejecting her initial claim that Obama's only succeeding because he's black? Or is that still okay with them?
(Assholes...)
March 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is Andrew Sullivan's take on Ferraro. It is a nuaunced position, but may be close to the truth: Clinton is sacrificing the black vote in order to win the blue collar vote.
"The Clinton campaign's decision not to reject or denounce Geraldine Ferraro's racial gaffe strikes me as a conscious and deliberate one. The Obama campaign saw Samantha Power resign for a less offensive remark. But Ferraro is now on the networks and airwaves amping up the volume, and Clinton, in classic passive-aggressive mode, is merely "disagreeing." Isn't this obviously about Pennsylvania? Isn't this classic Rove-Morris politics - to keep designating Obama a beneficiary of affirmative action and Clinton a victimized white woman in order to racially polarize a primary where Clinton needs white ethnic votes?
Ferraro's original gaffe was an accident. The compounding of it is a strategy."
March 12, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again. The party is silent. Cowards.
Are they that afraid of the Clintons or are they in their pockets? Either way, the party seems to agree with Ferraro/Clinton.
Good luck in November.
March 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama people are racist....they are the ones who cry race all the time.
March 12, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Under Hillary's tortured logic, doesn't Wolfson's "rejection" suggest that they do not accept any support generated from these asinine comments, as opposed to "denunciation," which would actually condemn the remarks themselves?
In other words, like McCain's already-revving-up slime machine, we're more than happy for our [i]supporters[/i] to get these ruminations out into the ether for Joe Q. Public to hear, so long as the candidate herself doesn't make the remark.
Disgusting. Count me as another lifelong Democrat who will not be casting a vote for another Clinton under any circumstances. I'd rather waste my vote by writing in a candidate I believe in.
March 12, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
..
Bat Buano wrote:
Your typing makes NO sense and is incomprehensible. Where are you from? Kenya??
And to put the record straight, I have never used the word "minstrelry" in any of my comments in this forum. So you are either, a liar, an illiterate, a foreigner (like maybe one of Obama's Kenya cousins) or just delusional.
In the end, all you Black Racists will see that this invented race card you're throwing everywhere will not win this race for your guy.
HYPOCRITES!
Rae
March 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
RaeK, I do not use the words lightly but you are a fucking idiot.
If you look at the timeline, you will notice that Clinton first LEAD in the black vote which goes completely against your black conspiracy theory. In fact, she lead all the way until after Iowa. Obama has only been pulling 70%+ of the black vote after the Clinton campaign first started with the race-based innuendo.
So in the future, if you do not want to lose the black vote, maybe DON'T START RACE BAITING?
March 12, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first person to raise race as an issue was Jesse Jackson, Jr., after Clinton's comparison of LBJ and MLK. There are two factors that have made Obama competitive. Proportional delegate selection and a block of voters who are voting for him out of all proportion to anything in his record or any stand he's taken on issues.
Let's make the issue trust. You may assert if you want to that black voters trust Obama more than they trust Clinton.
Let's make the issue a Progressive record. You may assert if you want to that upper income liberals believe Obama is more liberal than Clinton.
Let's make the issue energy. You may assert if you want to that younger voters like Obama's energy more that they like Clinton's.
There's Obama's base. Blacks who trust him, young people who dig his energy, and liberals who like his Progressive record. Proportional delegate selection keeps the big states from knocking him out.
March 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billie, you got younger. That's a lie by the way. The clintons have been totally playing the race card throughout this travesty. Now its the archie bunker strategy. Pathetic animals is what they are.
March 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
same to ya roo_P
and you're a jerk as well.
March 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine Ferraro has a history of racist statements-In April, 1988 she said if Jesse Jackson were not Black he would not be in the race. By not condemning and rejecting Ferraro's comments AND removing her from her campaign, Ms Clinton implies that she approves of what Ms Ferraro has said ! Well, I guess that's her 1st Amendment right. I do not think the majority of Democrats will agree with this. We shall see.
March 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is more than racism. It is an attack on Obama supporters. She is basically saying that Obama supporters are blinded by race. This could have two effects:
1. diminishes any wins over Clinton, making Clinton supporters feel better about supporting a losing candidate.
2. Obama supporters can rethink their support, maybe switch to Clinton, Obama's support may vanish in the Fall.
March 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, now that was a funny bit on the front page. The pennsylvania strategy is to play for the archie bunker vote. This campaign will go down in history as the campaign that played the archie bunker strategy. Tooo funny.
March 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me but did i miss something here with geraldine's comment "And if he was a woman (of any color), he would not be in this position." Then why is Hillary running. How did she get there. ferraro please stop drinking the kool aid sweetie.
March 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's Clinton v. McCain in November, my vote goes to the candidate with the highest cholesterol.
My mantra wil be: "Plaque buildup matters – more than ever! Obama in 2012."
March 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just curious: does anyone know what percentage of Democrats are African American? Clinton supporters make it sound like it's 50% or more. Apparently, without that massive Af-Am voting block (that used to vote 100% for white men until Obama came along - how damn racist is that?!), Obama would be nowhere.
March 12, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not enough. If McClinton is going to get Samantha Power out of the story, why can't they disconnect themselves from Ferraro? In fact, I argue that Ferraro's comment is more dangerous - it is based on race and a group of people. Monster is a comment based on personality, still wrong, but not as bad.
March 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blacks in the USA did not invent racism-the patent belongs to the white race.
March 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She just said what just about everyone else would say but would not say it out loud. But in the election year you can trash a woman but you have to watch what you say and kiss up to the Black candidate or he or his people will call you a Racist. That is the way it is and that is the truth.
March 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine Ferraro is 100% correct! Senator Obama is NOT qualified to be PONTUS.
Obama if he were white would be noting more than a CY 2004 elected, part time US Senator. Not much more on his resume unless one can use his part time "present" IL Senate experience and of course his "community organizer" work (whatever that was, open ended job description). Obama: upward mobility at its best!
March 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
As for HRC credentials, she worked as a slimer in an Alaska fishery in 1969 (see Living History). They're the ones who rip the guts out of the fish before they're sent to the packers.
Slime. Slimer. Slimier. Slimiest. Sorta fits.
March 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's going to make an AMAZING FOX News show host, because she apparently has the perfect skills for it.
March 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have we ever heard an Obama surrogate spout some garbage about how Clinton has come as far as she has mainly because she's a woman, or using some old sexist lines, or minimizing her perfromance by comparing her to a prior female candidate who won a battle but lost a war? No.
But we've heard many Clinton surrogates spout garbage about how Obama has come as far as he has mainly because he's black (Ferraro), or using some old racist lines (Cuomo's "Shuck n' Jive), or minimizing his perfromance by comparing him to a prior black candidate who won a battle but lost a war (Bill's Jesse Jackson comments).
There is a pattern emerging. McCain and the Republicans have already begun using the same tactics, where race is used by surrogates (Hussein, Somali robes, etc.) but McCain disavows the statements. Bush 'rejected and denounced' the Swiftboat adds against Kerry, too, lest we forget. So, let's be honest, Clinton is running the standard campaign which has traditionally worked: let surrogates do the dirty work and appear to remain above the fray. Many of us hate it and want something better from our candidates. Part of Obama's "change" rhetoric is about avoiding the negative, identity based politics which has reigned supreme for decades (centuries?), and that's what many of his supporters like about him, including myself.
But, while I support Obama, this is part of the campaign is becoming the real test for him. Can he fight the good fight and win? Can he be a game-changer, or will the old game chew him up and spit him out? What Clinton is throwing at him is soft compared to the bricks the R's will throw. If he can't pass this test, then he shouldn't be the nominee. So, to the Clinton camp, I say, BRING IT ON! Because if Obama can't handle it, I'd rather have Clinton in the WH than McCain.
That said, this 42-year-old white male is still sending another $25 to Obama this week.
March 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama are fueling this story. Ever since Obama LOST New Hamshire, he has been finding sneaky ways to insert race into the picture heading towards S.C.
They tried to claim Bill Clinton did it when in fact, they twisted and misquoted Clinton. It was Obama all along playing the race card. He started with Oprah, talking about things such as, "its not your turn, move to back of the bus," etc. as she used her fake southern drawl.
Some how, he got you twisted people to think he started it.
Obama and his people want to keep this story alive, and it is now backfiring. The more they play up race, to get their blacks to come out in mass to vote for him, the more they alienate the whites that might have voted for him.
So you screwed your selves. Racism will not get you very far, Obama-hypocrites!
Rae
March 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink