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Top Republican: I'd Rather Run Against Obama And His "National-Security Deficit"
We often hear that Barack Obama is the more electable Democrat in this election. But one high-profile Republican, NRCC chair Tom Cole, begs to differ:
"I happen to think Hillary Clinton is a stronger candidate in the end ... You couldn't raise money against Obama right away like you could with Clinton, that's true, and so maybe by the time you were able to raise money it wouldn't matter. But he's ideologically well to the left of Hillary Clinton, for all his rhetorical gifts, and I also think he's got a national-security deficit. I think she's a plausible commander in chief, and I don't think he is. It may not matter. But those two areas are where we would fight the election, and with McCain, I think we contrast with him very well."
We also often hear, of course, that Hillary would do more damage to down-ticket Dem Congressional candidates. So it's plausible that Cole, who oversees House GOP candidates, has a reason for saying this. But it's worth thinking about.
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"But it's worth thinking about."
Is that a joke? I'm not sure what you're getting at with that quote.
Eric, as it becomes increasingly clear that Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee, does it really surprise you that a GOP operative would say, "Well, maybe he would be easier to run against that Clinton?" At the very least he's trying to stir up mischief. At the most he's previewing a line of attack that we knew was coming, and that has already been used by McCain himself. Oh, and by the way it's been used by Hillary Clinton and we see where that got her.
But what makes a quote from the NRCC chair attacking Obama as "something worth thinking about" is beyond me.
Really, either you got lazy at the end, you felt like not putting any real thought or analysis into this, or you are parroting a HRC line.
March 31, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But what makes a quote from the NRCC chair attacking Obama as "something worth thinking about" is beyond me."
If he'd said anything intelligent, I would understand, but ...
March 31, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain has a national security deficit. In fact I just exposed him lying today about the war on my blog. Check it out and take the "Is McCain a liar or just incompetent poll":
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/03/mccain-not-so-strong-on-current-events.html
March 31, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read this (from the Times magazine), and couldn't figure out what he meant by it:
You couldn't raise money against Obama right away like you could with Clinton, that's true, and so maybe by the time you were able to raise money it wouldn't matter
Any thoughts?
I think, thanks to Hillary's excellent retelling of her Bosnia adventure that any advantage she may have wrt to national security probably just went out the window.
But Obama will always have a "national security" deficit in the eyes of the Republicans, because of his middle name and because, gasp!, he spent time in a predominantly Muslim country.
I always would like to say that Cole was one of the architects behind the RNCC spending a boatload of cash on the Denny Hastert special election seat, and that didn't work out so well, so I'm not sure how good his analytical talents are at this point.
March 31, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You couldn't raise money against Obama right away like you could with Clinton, that's true, and so maybe by the time you were able to raise money it wouldn't matter"
There's supposed to be so much antagonism toward Clinton that if she were to become the nominee, McCain could immediately begin raising money to defeat her.
March 31, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
??? The NRCC Chair has bad things to say about the presumptive Dem nominee, well color me suprised. What do Karl Rove and Dick Cheney think about Obama now that they know they will be running against him? Do tell... That should help us asses the situation better.
March 31, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And supporting Bush's foreign policy while calling for 100 years in Iraq isn't a "deficit"?
Obviously McCain has a built-in national security advantage in the minds of most voters, but I think the primary season has shown that how useful this advantage is won't depend on which candidate the Democrats elect.
I think his "reason for saying this" is clear, and it's not to voice an innocent, off the cuff thought.
March 31, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
As opposed to McCain's Foreign Policy Attention Deficit.
March 31, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is definitely the thread winner!
March 31, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The GOP will attempt to paint the Dem nominee as a pinko-commie peacenik, no matter who it is...
March 31, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad the election is also going to be about the economy, which McCain says he knows nothing about.
And I think its interesting that on the two things everyone has jumped on Obama for, he has turned out to be correct. The Iraq War, and targeted attacks on Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan.
The best argument against the Republicans this year is to point out that every 4 years they scare the hell out of us, get elected, and then do nothing to make us safer while absolutely destroying the economy...
March 31, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
We will pick our party's nominee. We do not take the advice of the enemy, except when Hillary decides to shack up with the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Puppeteer.
March 31, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fox has always been pro-Hillary since she left office. Rupert Murdoch held a friggin' fundraser for her. She's part of the "Ole boys network" now.
March 31, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never thought I'd see the day where Republicans, Fox News, and Scaife would be propping up Hillary..
March 31, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unity.
March 31, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's right - and how odd they're all coming to her defense now. I wonder why? Hmmm... Maybe they've seen the light and realize the error of their ways. That MUST be it.
Or maybe they're dissapointed they can't run against her because they already knew how they were going to trash her and her lying sleazebag of a husband.
Naw, couldn't be. Republicans aren't that cynical or cunning.
March 31, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're afraid to death of Obama.
As well they should be.
March 31, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
middlenamesareseriousbusiness
A serious question for you.
How do you login at TPM with such a long name?
Seriously, I want to change my screen name to a longer one. But, given the TPM's idea of humor being your login lasts only for exactly 19.989 seconds, I would rather not.
Is there a way by which you can login with a short name and but your fuller screen name still appears on the post ?
PS to
"The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
". You can also give your response to this serious question.
PSS to all
Sorry, to use bold face here. It is a serious issue.... for me. But, hey, I haven't at least resorted to cheap Hillary shills' trick of using all caps.
April 1, 2008 6:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh, The whole post above was supposed to be in bold.
Anyway, I found the answer. Yes, you can login with a short name and a fuller screen name will appear with your posts.
Hey, great me.
April 1, 2008 7:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
If only Obama had the experience of ducking sniper fire in a Bosnian war zone ...
March 31, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree with Tom Cole. People are too busy looking at the current polls which show Obama running slightly better than Hillary against John McCain. But that is foolish, because Barack Obama is a gigantic unknown. The truth is both candidates are so bad that the Dems have probably largely blown this election already. They just don't know it yet.
March 31, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
BREAKING NEWS:
Howard Dean claims that Ron Paul would be much tougher for Dems to run against than John McCain!
Republicans, don't be idiots! It's not too late to save your party in November and force John McCain aside. I mean, would the head of the DNC attempt to mislead your party? OF COURSE NOT!
PLEASE listen! Ron Paul REVOLUTION '08! It's the Republicans' ONLY CHOICE!!
March 31, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I hear that Alan Keyes is making sense!
The winning ticket is clearly Paul/Keyes.
March 31, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. Obama is a radical liberal and a fraud.
"Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign was quick to send out an e-mail accusing Mr. Obama of making false statements in his ad, saying he has received more than $160,000 from the oil and gas companies. Phil Singer, deputy communications director for Mrs. Clinton, put out this statement: "It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices. Senator Obama says he doesn't take campaign contributions from oil companies, but the reality is that Exxon Mobil, Shell and others are among his donors. I wonder if they'll fix the ad."
Another lie to add to "dembillc"s list.
March 31, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That cute little sign in your Avatar is merely a photoshop, you do realize that right?
March 31, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, only that is just counting people who work for these companies contributing, not the companies themselves, and no quid pro quo is implied. Also, it is unfortunate that Hillary doesn't point out that she got $289,950 from the same people, quite a bit more than Obama. Hmm, that's an inconvenient truth now isn't it? How could she have left that out?
Also, in the same attack she says that Obama voted to cut taxes for oil companies (by voting for the energy bill), leaving out the fact that that bill actually raised taxes on oil companies, and gave big subsidies for the production of alternative energy.
Oh, also, if you want to talk about where the blame lies for our sourcing oil prices you needn't look any further than our war in Iraq, which *gasp* Hillary supported for years!
Ahhh, you Hillary supporters never cease to entertain..
March 31, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is another one of your Arse Troll lies. Employees of those Companies gave to Senator Obama's campaign. The Corporations did not. No wonder you love the Habitual Lying Heroine of Tuzla.
March 31, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for changing from an ugly avatar to one I quite like.
March 31, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get it. Your screen name is meant to be ironic.
March 31, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oxymoronic, more like it.
March 31, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed.
March 31, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
not to point out the obvious to you but Obama DID vote in the affirmative for Cheney's destructive, secret and economy destroying energy bill.
Ms Clinton didn't
March 31, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please, Republicans, pleeease, run exactly the same kid of campaign you've been running for eight years. Please throw us in that briar patch.
The utter cluelessness of Republicans about the extent to which the ground has shifted beneath their feet since 2004 (and their unshaken confidence that they can run the same five plays over and over again without the otherside figuring out how to respond) gives me more hope for a crushing victory in the fall than any speech Barack ever made.
The only slightly sad part is that they remind me of the cluelessness and denial that typified Democrats' response to the Reagan realignment.
March 31, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah. Go read the Times piece. It's replete with problems Republicans are facing, the Dem bickering notwithstanding. The Dems are picking up young voters, young evangelical voters, and suburban voters.
It's an interesting piece. But Cole doesn't seem particularly insightful.
Oh, and the Dem consultant who proclaims towards the beginning that "real change occurs top-down, not grass-roots, as most people believe", or words to that effect, sound a lot like the fossil-bound Dems we've been stuck with for awhile--the same sort of fossil-bound professionals in charge of the Republican party.
Actually gave me more optimism about the fall than anything in the current neverending story that is our primary season....
March 31, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't care less what anyone says about electability. I'm not putting my vote in for a proven phony like Hillary. It's a matter of principle.
March 31, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are SCUUURRRRRED. Vurrry scurrrred.
March 31, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
is this that reverseable psychomocology i'm always hearing about?
March 31, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please. Hillary "Sniper fire" Clinton vs. a former POW, veteran, and long-time national security guy on national security? The contest would be a joke. I still think Hillary would win, but at least Barack Obama doesn't have any made up national security credentials.
March 31, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not take advice from Republicans. Let's say they are less than objective when it comes to things like this.
March 31, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another interesting bombshell poll just released by Survey USA on Kentucky: http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=93b1b163-e67d-4e0b-b06f-174b4c7542b5
58% Clinton
29% Obama
10% Other
4% Undecided
I'd have to say that this Democratic race is far from over. Hillary believes she owes it to all the people who helped her hold on as long as she has - most recently winning Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island. She may lose North Carolina (although I wouldn't bet on it yet), but she looks very likely to win both Pennsylvania and Kentucky.
March 31, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kentucky is seven weeks out. We're not even in April yet. The Kentucky primary is in May.
March 31, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is that a "bombshell"? She has been expected to win KY all along. These numbers just reconfirm longstanding conventional wisdom. Is it a "bombshell" when the almanac predicts rain in April?
March 31, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please go to Slate's delgate calculator and see if you can come up with any plausible scenario where "it isn't over yet." Feel free. We'll wait.
And Hillary had a better chance of pulling off an upset in South Carolina than she does in North Carolina.
March 31, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama won Texas. You know, that big state Bill Clinton said she had to win....
March 31, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can only hope that the GOP remains this delusional throughout the campaign.
March 31, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
No joke: "Republicans want to run on their one strength" I think this says less about Obama and more about the republican chances in the fall.
March 31, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The same Tom Cole who spend $1.2 million losing Denny Hastert's seat? Yeah, I'm sure he's chock full of keen political insights.
March 31, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. I'm sorry it took this long for someone to bring this up, but Tom Cole couldn't keep Denny Hastert's old seat last month and Barack Obama is a big reason why.
The last damn thing on earth that Tom Cole should want to see this fall is Obama's local organizations getting into a hundred (or more) House races. Ground game is everything in a House race and a lot of these R's have never seen anything like what Obama is putting together.
March 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom Cole, I fear, is employing an analysis better suited to the 2002 or 2004 elections than the 2008 one. I am quite happy about this for what it says about the NRCC's likely strategic missteps this cycle. The strong and wrong position does not have quite the same draw as it once did. Hillary is too close to McCain to get any clean shots on him. Obama is fighting the entire way of thinking that got us into the war. Cole says Hillary would be stronger because she can Republican-lite better (i.e. "plausible commander-in-chief"). I think he underestimates the success with which Obama will challenge the entire paradigm. I suspect that the demise of "surge is working" storyline will coincide nicely with a tanking economy to make running ant-Washington establishment a winning proposition in the fall.
March 31, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is interesting that he has decided to pick up Clinton's commander-in-chiefiness meme and run with it. That "he's well to the left of her" meme is also interesting. It would be very hard to substantiate (their policy proposals are barely a hair's bredth apart, and the one noteworthy difference - her insurance mandate - actually puts him slightly to the right of her), but I notice that her supporters on this board (see Gotalife above, for instance) make a great deal of him being a "radical" and her being a "moderate."
Evidently the Republican's are not so stupid as not to notice the gifts they are being handed on a silver platter.
March 31, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mischaracterize her supporters. I am one and I have found others and quite a few of us support her because her policies are more courageous and more progressive than his. I support her because she is to the LEFT of Obama, not because she's more centrist. That's a big lie that seems to come from the Obama supporters who are casting about for a reason to support him on policy and finding little.
I can't say none, there are 3 issues I think he is better on than her -- but 3 is not enough for me.
March 31, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, it comes from Goatlife, Mr Softee and Dembillc- all of whom are probably republican trolls. I try not to take them as honest reps of HRC.
March 31, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
see any post by dembillc, gotalife, or marginal player, and you'll understand the comments about Hillary supporters.
March 31, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
See the post by dembillc below. :)
I agree, however, that it is unfair to characterize all Hillary's supporters that way. Some support her because they think she's more centrist, some support her because they think she's more radical.
In fact, they're both right. It just depends on which issue you're looking at. The whole left/right way of looking at things takes a very high-dimensional space and compresses it into a single dimension. A lot is lost in the process.
March 31, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Riiiight. She's to the left of Obama. That explains everything.
That's why all those corporate lobbyists and PACs are giving her money and that's why she's taking it. That's why she's now BFF's with Richard "I Funded the VRWC and all I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt" Sciafe and Rupert Murdoch. That's why her main surrogate in Pennsylvania is praising Fox for its "unbiased" coverage of the races. That's why she has a pipeline to Drudge and Bill is going on Limbaugh.
Yeah, she's to the left of Obama all right, cause all those guys just love a leftist. A veritable Eugene Debbs for the Twenty First Century, she is.
April 1, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the Senate, Obama's liberal voting record belies the centrist themes he strikes on the stump. The liberal lobbying group Americans for Democratic Action gives Obama a 100 percent voting rating - 5 points to the left of Sen. Ted Kennedy, who gets a 95 percent grade.
And a Congressional Quarterly review found Obama has a near-perfect partisan voting record, casting his lot with the Democratic Party line 97 percent of the time - higher than Clinton and dead even with Sen. John Kerry (Mass.).
Obama's backpedaling over a questionable land deal he struck in 2005 with a tainted political fund-raiser, Tony Rezko, who has since been indicted by feds in an alleged pay-to-play scheme. The seeds for the deal were planted in 2004, when Obama got a big-money book contract after winning his Senate seat. With the book cash, he bought a swanky Illinois mansion in June 2005 for $1.65 million. On the same day that Obama closed on the home, Rezko paid $625,000 for the adjacent vacant lot. Six months later, Obama expanded the size of his yard by buying a strip of Rezko's land for only $105,000.
Obama insists the transaction was aboveboard, but he has been contrite about the appearance of impropriety. "It was a mistake to have been engaged with him [Rezko] at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe that he had done me a favor," Obama said in a statement distributed to Chicago reporters.
March 31, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
SOURCES, dembillc, SOURCES . . .
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12122006/news/nationalnews/barackground_info_nationalnews_ian_bishop.htm
March 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, are the Clinton's check still clearing for you?
March 31, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't ask me why I wrote "Republican's" instead of "Republicans" in that last post. Suffice it to say, the apostraphe was a typo.
March 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
National Security Deficit. The Republicans are running a guy who needs Joe Lieberman to remind him which set of bad guys are being armed by Iran, a guy who can't remember which groups are Sunni and which are Shia. And the Democrats are supposed to be scared about a national security deficit.
Yeah. You run with that theory, Mr. Cole.
March 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is news?
Why?
The Chairman of the NRCC doesn't think Obama, a democrat, has the credentials to be president?
I'm shocked...completely shocked that a partisan republican would tow the party line when it comes to Obama.
March 31, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, just last week TPM has polls showing Hillary doing better against McCain then Obama, but that's all beside the point.
I have never understood why anyone would believe a Republican saying I would rather run against one candidate over another. I mean, they aren't trying to give us real advice, are they? Seriously, if a Republican gave me election advice, I would do the opposite, most likely, in expecation that the Republican was LYING!!!
Now, I have made it quite clear I am a Clinton supporter, but that doesn't mean I think our decision on who to nominate should be based on this sort of ephemera which is the the electoral equivalent of reading the entrails of a goat.
Both nominees will have a tough campaign despite running against the the oldest candidate to ever run, a man whose made a career about whining about corruption while acting in the same corrupt manner (reminiscent of Nixon's "if the president does it, it's not a crime' argument), whose a war-mongering imperialist whose love for war outstrips our current little napoleon, a right-winger on choice and many other social issues, but because he's got a charming grin, a sparkle in his eye and he kisses journalistic ass, will have the most favorable press coverage of any president ever.
Any nominee will face the "how dare you run against St McCain phenom" despite St McCain's dirty fingers in the Keating 5 and since, despite his anti-choice fanaticism, despite his love of war and death. Whoever it is, it's someone who can deal with not being loved by the press.
March 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "national security deficit" is what the Republicans have been using to run against the Democrats since 2002. It's not working anymore. In 2006 the Republicans "drew a contrast" with the Democrats on national security, and they lost anyway. Voters appear to have other things on their mind than just national security issues at this point, and when they do consider national security issues there have been a number of polls lately indicating they trust the Democrats more on this issue. This is not an issue the Democrats should be hiding from the Republicans on at this point. All indications are that the Democrats should want to draw contrasts with the Republicans on this issue, because at this point the clearer those contrasts are the better the Democrats do.
With this in mind, the question to be asking here isn't whether Tom Cole is doing some weird reverse-psychology freakout thing here; the question is whether, given the NRCC's idea of what constitutes a "plausible commander in chief" and those polls indicating voters consider the Democrats more credible on national security issues at this point, a candidate falling within Tom Cole's conception of a "plausible commander in chief" is a good thing or a bad thing from the democratic perspective...
March 31, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton Presidential Pardons.
Do not forget that last great spasm of Clinton corruption as they were leaving the White House.
Why has Hillary not been asked about that.
Her Brothers lived with her, and were paid hundreds of thousands by convicted drug lords in an effort to purchase Presidential Pardons.
Marc Rich bought a Presidential Pardon while on the run from Justice.
Ask Hillary about that, Media. Do your job.
March 31, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, it might be harder for them to run against her on
national-security issues--she votes just like a republican.
March 31, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to the real world. Strong on national security wins Presdential elections.
McGovern was a anti war liberal too.
He gave us superdelegates with getting crushed in the general.
Now he supports Clinton.
March 31, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strong on National Security is not the same thing
as good on National Security.
I'm sticking with Mr. Obama.
March 31, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right - and Bill Clinton was a weak-on-defense, Vietnam-protesting, draft-dodging, pot-smoking, hippie womanizer. Which is why he didn't get elected either.
March 31, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary helped give us the Iraq war and the prelude to war with Iran.
I'm sticking with Obama.
March 31, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats shouldn't listen to what these slapdick Republicans say anyway. They are slappys, all of them.
March 31, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Getting Hillary the Democratic nomination is at the top of the Republican agenda. Not hard to guess why.
March 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just another reframing of the "Obama is Liberal" talking point. Get ready to hear it ad nauseum for the next 8.5 years.
March 31, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
i would argue you guys are so entrencehed in your feelings for OBAMA you are not seeing what the average joe is. i have said all along forget the sniper fire BS because if dodging sniper fire make your natioanl security credentials stronger i would have to laugh. what i did see in that video was someone way more involved in national security than OBAMA.
because people are so blinded to their candidate mccain will walk right through that reality gap.
March 31, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, this just means Obama will make even bigger waves the first time he debates McCain and makes him look like an idiot.
March 31, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like Tom Cole's judgment has proved to be anything more than abysmal? Ha.
March 31, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is interesting that he has decided to pick up Clinton's commander-in-chiefiness meme and run with it.
And did you notice that in McCain's recent ad, he's standing in front of a banner that says "Ready On Day One" about halfway through?
What you said about silver platters.
March 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously? Link, please!
March 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Principle, huh?
Which "principles" has Hillary espoused? For that matter, just when has she "proven" herself?
March 31, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just realized that not only did I not respond to the post that I had intended to respond to, but I also completely misread what it was the original post was saying.
Forget I said anything...
March 31, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
what's wrong with being a peacenik? (other than it's a pejoritive term for something quite good) I thought we were against the 100, (hell, 10,000) year war?
March 31, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well thank you so much Mr.concern troll Cole.
And I bet he has a bank account that will keep you donations safe if people would only donate to the flailing Republican Congressional Committee!!
March 31, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have growing suspicion that gotalife is Scalia himself.
Coming back to the topic of the story, today McCain was saying that he was surprised by the development of the recent events in Iraq. It sound to me like another version of "Who could expect the breaking of the levees".
March 31, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly- one question;
Why is this news? Who decides this should be a major link on the front page?
In a higly unlikely scenario: when a democrat calls a republic more qualified for C-in-C than her fellow democratic- that's news.
But when a republican calls a loosing democraet better candidate than a winning democrat- why does this given such prominence?
But he's ideologically well to the left of Hillary Clinton
Didn't Romney run the same ad against McCain?
I think democrats have a innate wuss factor. Why do we even care what Cole says, let alone feeling jittered?
March 31, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly- one question;
Why is this news? Who decides this should be a major link on the front page?
In a higly unlikely scenario: when a democrat calls a republic more qualified for C-in-C than her fellow democratic- that's news.
But when a republican calls a loosing democraet better candidate than a winning democrat- why does this given such prominence?
But he's ideologically well to the left of Hillary Clinton
Didn't Romney run the same ad against McCain?
I think democrats have a innate wuss factor. Why do we even care what Cole says, let alone feeling jittered?
March 31, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly- one question;
Why is this news? Who decides this should be a major link on the front page?
In a higly unlikely scenario: when a democrat calls a republic more qualified for C-in-C than her fellow democratic- that's news.
But when a republican calls a loosing democraet better candidate than a winning democrat- why does this given such prominence?
But he's ideologically well to the left of Hillary Clinton
Didn't Romney run the same ad against McCain?
I think democrats have a innate wuss factor. Why do we even care what Cole says, let alone feeling jittered?
March 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little too much coffee today, kash? ;-)
March 31, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh:
I'd stop drinking coffee, but I'm no quitter.
coffee + republican talking points + TPM posting hassels = redundant outrage.
;-)
March 31, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well that's it then, isn't it? Top Republicans think that Hillary would be a tougher candidate so let her have it. Ignore the Democratic voters, they don't know shit, Republicans have our best interests at heart, so I'm switching over to Hillary.
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck what this Republican asshat says? Isn't time Democrats stop listening to the bullshit and pick whose best for the party.
March 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Hillary, for handing them that one. We all knew they'd adopt her lines of attack and use them against Obama. The general election season has already begun...
March 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and let's not for get that Mellon Scaif is on Hillary's side as well, hell if she can win over the man who tried for eight years to bring down her husband she has the bipartisan cred, right?
Of course some folks might take issue with the fact that she is sitting down with someone who called her, Chelsey and Bill some pretty vile things, and who promoted some very outlandish conspiracy theories about Hillary and Vince Foster, and who PAID Arkansas highway patrolmen for their "testimony" in the Paula Jones thing, but hey, an endorsement is an endorsement, right?
March 31, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's "oxy" about it?
March 31, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Polls are not entirely helpful, but Tom Cole is entirely not helpful:
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Panel survey finds a majority of both Republicans and Democrats saying Barack Obama has a better chance than Hillary Clinton of defeating Republican John McCain in the November presidential election.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105904/Dems-Reps-Agree-Obama-Tougher-Opponent-McCain.aspx
March 31, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
National Security deficit? What about the $3 TRILLION Iraq War deficit? Keep focusing on the costs, costs, costs of our national "security" - in lives, in dollars, in distortion of priorities. Stop running away from the issue! Bury them with their own issue.
March 31, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary claims the same experience as President Bill.
He got chased out of Somalia. the Twin Towers got bombed in 1993, and he failed to eliminate the threat. The same people returned on 9/11. How the hell does that record square with Hillary's claims of being strong on National Security. It is just more of her Habitual Bullshit.
She voted with Bush on Iraq and Iran. Are we really more secure today, after her stupid votes. She endorsed John McCain for Commander in Chief, and he wants to continue with Bush's War Mongering Lunacy.
Hillary is the new Lieberman.
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March 31, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"These are not the droids you're looking for."
"Oh. OK. Worth thinking about."
March 31, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom Cole cannot "run" his "campaign" with both hands.
That is, if we actually pretended for a moment that he was a serious analyst without a rather prominently jutting bias.
March 31, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Oh, please, please don't throw me in that briar patch..."
Hillary's candidacy is the gift that keeps on giving---to the Republicans. They are a party adrift, bereft of ideas, without any kind of real leadership, with a nominee hated--even despised--by their most loyal voters. Drubbed in 2006, they are bracing for another round of Congressional ass-whippins.
Only one thing can energize their moribund voters: Hillary. They stand no chance against Obama and they've known it since day one.
cheers,
DD
March 31, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously? Link, please!
This is the one I was talking about above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A
at about 33 seconds into it, the title above his head is "McCain: Ready On Day One." This is the ad in which he's proclaimed to be "The American President Americans Have Been Waiting For".
Also, on his page of ads (johnmccain.com/tvads), the first one ("true conservative") ends with the tag line "ready to become commander in chief, on day one".
Served up to him on a silver platter.
March 31, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks! Hillaryous!
March 31, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone mentioned how well the NRCC did at defeating Foster in his run for Denny Jabba the Hastert's seat? Cole is an idiot. Were you drinking sterno when you put that together?
footsore
March 31, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are Republicans afraid Obama will pull troops out of Iraq and destroy Bush's "benchmark success" goal of privatizing Iraq's oil? Why would people still support McCain? Even Republicans? If I were a Republican or independent I would definitely vote Obama, or even Clinton. No wonder Obama has gotten their votes.
How can you still support Bush and the Republicans after he/they lied to the American people, is in the process of breaking this country's bank, our economy is going downhill, people are loosing their homes, has a policy of dividing Iraq and propping up leaders which are unpopular with the people of Iraq, has destroyed the country of Iraq etc.
The Bush Administration has done little on national security. The Bush Administration has made it more dangerous for our troops in this and other conflicts by throwing the Geneva Convention out the window and breaking with our allies. Colin Powell, a 4 star general whose actually served in the military can tell you.
What is McCain going to do that is any different? People want change. Yes he stood up on torture etc. but the man is a Bush-lite, in the sense that we need to CHANGE DIRECTION or ASK FOR DIRECTIONS!
March 31, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shoot, there's the answer to our split-party woes, lets let the Republicans pick for us.
Reports of our split are highly exaggerated. But at least it is nice to know they care.
March 31, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mccain, the Panamanian Americans have been waiting for?
March 31, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
(CNN)— A new poll finds a majority of Republicans and Democrats feel Sen. Barack Obama would be a tougher candidate against the presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in a potential fall match-up.
In a Gallup poll released Monday, 59 percent of Democratic voters believe Obama has the best chance at beating John McCain. Thirty percent said Clinton was more likely to win a matchup with the Arizona senator.
Republicans surveyed say Clinton would be the easiest to beat: 64 percent said Clinton would make a weaker fall opponent for McCain, while just 22 percent said Obama.
March 31, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, Tom Cole would be giving Dems good advice on how to win, yeah, totally!
March 31, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"National security deficit?"
If the Democratic nominee's resume consisted entirely of a bill proclaiming a National Daisy-Picking Day and another bill forcing the Hooters chain to use a less obnoxious shade of orange, he'd still be stronger on national security than McCain.
McCain has nothing. He's the least qualified candidate either party has fielded in decades. National Daisy-Picking Day is just as important to national security as missile defense, and it is hundreds of billions of dollars cheaper.
When it comes right down to it, this is all the Republicans ever stood for: spending money. As long as it was for "national security", they could spend money and not get called "liberal".
But there is a catch. Spending government money on a problem only works if you know what you're doing, and the Republicans don't. The Republicans have made it so that being "commander in chief" means being party to the lie that every Republican leader since Reagan actually knew what they were doing. In this respect, Clinton is plausible, Obama is not.
What Cole really means, therefore, is that he thinks there is a chance Obama might call the Republicans' bluff, and he's pretty sure Clinton will not. I'm not sure that is a compliment to Clinton.
March 31, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Horrible, horrible article.
"We also often hear, of course, that Hillary would do more damage to down-ticket Dem Congressional candidates. So it's plausible that Cole, who oversees House GOP candidates, has a reason for saying this. "
Really Eric? You think it's plausible?
I think it's damn likely, especially considering polls like S-green mentioned above.
Jeez, how hard is it for people who are PAID to do some research around here, instead of leaving it to us to do your research for you?!?
April 1, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh! He's running the old double head fake. He says he'd rather run against Obama so we'll vote for Hillary... and then he can really run against Hillary which is what he wanted all along!
Or...! Wait wait! It's a triple fake! He wants us to think he's doing a double fake, so we try not fall for it and don't vote for Hillary... so that he can have Obama to run against! Yes yes that's it!
Or waiiiiiiit a minute! What if it's a quadruple fake. He wants us to think that he wants Obama, so that we are tempted to vote for Hillary, but then realize the trick and start to vote for Obama.... but at the last minute we think that THAT was really what he wanted, and so we go and vote for Hillary... WHICH IS WHAT HE REALLY WANTED ALL ALONG!
Yes, I think I've figured this out. It's definitely a quadruple fake.
Unless... hey do you think he could be trying the old quintuple fake?
I wouldn't put it past him. These Republicans are diabolic...... brainless but diabolic (a rare but dangerous combination.)
Or maybe he just means what he says.... he thinks Obama is more defeatable.... nah, it couldn't be that simple. It's definitely the quadruple or the quintuple. Yep. Take it to the bank.
April 1, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! Obama is a lefty -- did you see him bowling? Uses left hand.
National security deficit? Yeah, no one should mention the confusions McCain’t has been repeatedly displaying...
The Repukes have gotta come up with something better every four years other than "yer candidate is soooo librul".
Really.
April 1, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh please Clinton is more hawkish than Obama, that is why Republican elected officials and corporations like her more,as for Republican civilians, normal everyday folks- they like Obama. Bush and his allies are sorry Republicans, they have tainted that party.
If Republicans are serious about their support for Obama, they are welcomed and appreciated ofcourse, without a doubt and I admire those who have the guts and integrity to do so.
As for those who just do what Limbaugh tells them-it's those whom I don't trust for taking advantage of our democratic process. It is those who won't vote for her in General. Someone should do the math and take away her Republican cross-over votes.
April 1, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Obama is easier to run against in Nov.
Did anyone ever think otherwise?
April 1, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Of course Obama is easier to run against in Nov.
Did anyone ever think otherwise?"
Is that a rhetorical question?
April 1, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, probably either Clinton or Obama win over McCain, but I do think that at some point the "I came in my pants because Obama is so eloquent" schtick will start to wear thin. I was talking with a colleague yesterday, a very silly Iowa boy who is very religious, Republican, and and an ardent believer in creationism, and he was telling me how he plans to vote for Obama. And I saw how much the Obama vote is the gullible, sically taking a naive vote. This guy really couldn't articulate why he planned to vote for Obama, just that he thought Obama would make America a better country. I don't particularly like her, but Clinton really is the most competent candidate in this race. McCain has been around the block att least. Man, if you guys elect Obama you're basically jumping off a cliff with a parachute packed by an affirmative action baby. Good luck!
April 1, 2008 6:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you didn't try to talk this person out of voting for Obama! Sure, there are people (especially Republicans) who support Obama just because they like his style or "talk". There are also lots of us who support him because we like his substance. Both Hillary and Obama have a lot of substance. That Obama has a lot more style doesn't detract from his substance.
In other words, don't succumb to the logical fallacy of assuming that because gullible people like Obama, all people who like Obama are gullible. (cf. All dogs are mammals, but not all mammals are dogs.)
April 1, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's credible news when the GOP continues to play games with trying to handicap the Dem. Nomination process?
April 1, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, fair enough, Ben. But I just don't see a lot of substance there. And his resume is very, very thin.
Law skool: waste of time, intellectually useless
Community organizer: either getting losers worked up over being poor, or helping them fill out forms.
Local legislator: hardly high-powered experience
US Senator: for how many years? three?
And I see no signs at all that he's that smart. Sure, smarter than W, not a high hurdle.
And special insight? Ok, spending a few years a a child in Malaysia, and being a highly priviliged reasonably educated black guy in a world (Harvard, Columbia) where he would have been doted over.
I am not impressed.
April 1, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Once a troll, always a troll.
April 1, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is the point of giving credence to the myth that Clinton is a "credible commander in chief"? All he means by this is that she's a hawk on Iran and supported the Iraq War--seeing as these are both neo-imperialist Republican foreign policy directives it is hard to see why anyone would choose to take seriously this kind of pronouncement.
April 1, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love how the people who make reference to affirmative action (!) and empty suit when talking about Obama ("not that smart") are generally so much dumber and less accomplished than he.
Yeah, he's just a magna cum laude (that year, top 7%) graduate of arguably most competetive grad school in America, in an almost entirely blind-graded system. Yeah, he worked on the streets for 12k/year when he could have been "doted over" at the Supreme Court, where anyone else would have chosen to clerk with his resume. I'm sure our anonymous poster would have done much, much better at unimpressive old _Harvard Law School_, with those dumb professors like Charles Fried, Larry Tribe, etc.
April 1, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink