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The Reporter Who Launched The "Monster" Story Speaks...
The Scotsman reporter who caused Samantha Power to lose her gig advising Obama speaks out, defends use of quotes even though Power said they were "off the record"...
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Let's don't dwell on these red herrings, regardless of how photogenic the foreign reporters may be.
Instead, show me what Barack and Hillary are doing in WY tonight.
Here's a rally Barack is holding tonight:
Stand for Change Rally with Barack Obama
Arena Auditorium
University of Wyoming
1000 E. University Ave.
Laramie, WY 82071
Friday, March 7th, 2008
Doors Open: 5:00 p.m. [7 PM ET]
Program Begins: 7:15 p.m. [9:15 PM ET]
What's Hillary up to, besides having another back-to-back-to-back phone conference to smear Barack?
March 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth is that the journalists all over the world, not just in the US, always allow for retroactively taking comments off the record. What this person did was ethically wrong and she knows it. She's just trying to make a name for herself. Enjoy your 15 minutes, you monster.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/03/07/i-second-that-defense-of-sam-power.aspx
March 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I don't know what the rules are in the U.S."
Liar!
March 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
wrong, wrong, wrong.
go to j-school. they don't teach you much, but they do tell you this: off the record is something you give your interviewer, not the other way around.
they can ask for it--but it's up to you (or your editor) to grant it. and certainly, you cannot back up as ms. powers did and line-item-veto what you don't like by saying "that's off the record."
hillary will never have my vote because of this campaign she's running... but this journalist was 100 percent accurate and OBLIGATED to run that quote. as she said, "i don't know how it's done in america... but in britain, any journalist worth their salt" would have run it.
that says quite a bit about the state of our current political coverage...
March 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that she was within her rights to run the quote, but why do you say she was obligated to do so? She's not writing a gossip column, and the quote doesn't actually provide any meaningful information. It's just a way of stirring up trouble, and it's ridiculous for her to say that she didn't intend to "stitch her up" when running the quote would have no other purpose than to do exactly that.
March 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Everything is on the record unless the reporter agrees that it's off.
March 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong. Wrong. WRONG.
Going off the record is a privilege, not a right, especially doing so retroactively.
One should NEVER assume in an initial interview with a reporter one does not have a working relationship with, that the privilege will automatically be granted on an ex post facto basis. With Power having worked at places like U.S. News, she not only should have known better, she did know better.
I know this because I'm a newspaper editor/writer myself and have been in exactly the same situation as the Scotsman reporter.
I ran the quote.
Also, to riff on "joecross" just below me, this also shows that media-bashing among citizen pundits, while sometimes warranted, is sometimes clueless and around the bend.
March 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is really painful to watch, because I'm willing to take the reporter at her word, that she didn't intend to start the chain of events that led to Ms. Power's resignation. But honestly, as she's typing the article, to expect that she can yell "FIRE" in a crowded theatre and there will be no response is just not plausable. I'm afraid this was nothing more than a self-serving ploy by a reporter to "make a mark" that did indeed achieve that goal; albeit at the expense of a person's reputation and potential future career. Good luck with your journalistic future, Ms. Peev.
March 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then you really know the British press as well as Samantha Power does. Ms Peev knew she'd be making headlines across the pond.
(It's curious, though: I'm guessing that Tucker Carlson and Power are friends or at least on friendly tems, because she's been a regular surrogate on his show, but not anywhere else.)
Advice, though: don't plug your book overseas while working for a campaign. Jetlag and being 4500 miles from the action will screw you over.
March 7, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
After listening to Chris Matthews gush over John McCain's appeal as military man just now, I finally realized that Matthews, and most other reporters covering McCain, have turned into Dennis Hopper's character from Apocalypse Now.
"Hey, man, you don't talk to McCain - you listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say 'hello' to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas..."
March 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
we all know that these campaigns never really "fires" anyone. you know she will still be working with the BO campaign, just out of sight and if he was to win the presidency, she probably will have a key role in it.
March 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well i hope the few more hits on their website was worth someones job.
March 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is she f**king kidding me????? She had no idea this article was NOT going to cause a firestorm??? Where the hell has she been living - Mars? You mean to tell me she has NO idea of what's been going on with the Clinton campaign and their "kitchen sink" strategy? God, what an idiot.
God, help me - she said she didn't know what the protocol was in America with regard to "off the record". How much clearer does someone have to be when someone says "this is off the record"?
I would love to know what the "off the record" conversation was after the article came out that this dimwit won't talk about now. Power calling her saying "Gerri, you f**king idiot, I told you that remark was off the record - what part of 'off the record' did you not understand, you twit?"
Once again we have a foreigner interfering with American politics, whether on purpose or by accident. I call for an embargo - no one from the Obama camp should talk to ANY non-American until the nomination gets settled. This is really ridiculous.
March 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Once again we have a foreigner interfering with American politics, whether on purpose or by accident."
In all fairness, they've all had to put up with an awful lot of that from our government.
March 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touche, Dirk - you are absolutely correct! Hadn't thought of it in quite that way...
March 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least the Obama campaign dominated the media cycle today. Obama camp: Hillary not, I repeat, not a monster.
March 8, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The foreigner only interjected after the American agreed to an interview. Therefore hardly a case of an unsolicited intervention.
In Britain there is an expectation that politicians can handle themselves with the press. If Powers agreed to be interviewed by The Scotsman, then she should have been prepared.
Do any of you really believe that calling Hillary a "monster" was an accident? I have spent my entire adult life in academia. These are highly political environments; insults are not accidents. Calling Hillary "monster" was an attempt to turn the tone of the reporter's article to be against Clinton. I believe hoist by her own petard is an accurate description for what happened to Powers.
March 8, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I bet George Allen wished he had added "that's off the record" after his Macaca comment.
You can't silence the things you've said after you've said them. I think reporter was completely correct in her actions.
March 8, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering that the campaigning has gone on for the last four years, there is definately evidence that the Democratic party is splintering further. This Republican is convinced that Barack Obama represents the very best option for this country if for no other reason it is because he refuses to cow-tail to the antics of the DNC. Samantha Powers is most assuredly one voice that the Republican party has been listening to for quite some time. Whatever was said to a foreign correspondent should matter to absolutely no one except to an opposition that is becoming so desperate. Frankly Obama will win the Democratic nod whether Powers is there or not.
I cannot believe that Dean's flipping of the Florida and Michigan re-vote is not the center of the media attention. For some odd reason, with the exception of Barack Obama's 'cult' as you allege, the DNC believes that they cannot win against McCain. I'll tell you what, they are absolutely wrong. This Republican does not trust anyone, and I mean anyone over 60, because they lie. Besides, Barack smokes Marlboros and so do I....
March 8, 2008 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
No talking to any foreigners until when??? hahahahah! wow that really makes you seem prepared to take on the world! hahahah! are you serious or just some foreign spy troll trying to make your side look even more crass and stupid???
March 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Simply the chance for her 15 minutes of fame, at the expense of Ms. Powers. Congrats Ms. Peev, with "journalistic morals" like this, you have a promising future in American journalism. I can attach the address for the Enquirer, but I suppose you can stay on that side of the pond and write features for the Sun.
March 7, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
If reporters can't be trusted by sources, they lose everything. This was a complete betrayal of that trust. If something is said off the record, it is off the record. Period, unless they are admitting murder or some other crime. There is no excuse for them running all of that without Power's permission.
March 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The interesting thing here is that the quote clearly states that the "off the record" comment came not prior to, but after the comment was made in an attempt to not let it slip.
To Hillary and Barack and any other politician, campaign worker, or the public itself I issue these words of wisdom: NOTHING YOU SAY IS EVER OFF THE RECORD IN FRONT OF A JOURNALIST!
March 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
cbphillyguy at 5:47, True.
Even worse, Prof. Samantha Power is herself a journalist of sorts, she has a regular column in Time magazine. Sorry to dump on her, but she should have been better prepared and more cautious, knowing how her own publication uses juicy quotes. She may herself have exploited some unwitting source at one time or another.
This is her piece on Kosovo dated next Monday, March 10th, check it out:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1718556,00.html
March 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
errrg, Samantha Power's Time column still carries the legend that she is an Obama advisor.
March 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was less than 12 hours ago -- are you kidding?
March 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, apparently Barack is alive. From his townhall meeting:
March 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for him - so I assume Greg, you'll be putting THIS story up next? Right?
Or is it going to be more sHillary?
March 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he did post it. So quit yer whining. You sound like Wolfson.
March 7, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dana Perino... watch yer back! Here comes your replacement.
March 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that the Clinton campaign, and, Clinton supporters, are enjoying this moment. Because it's going to come back and bite them in a big way. If the Obama sticks to the "Hey! Hillary! Tell us about YOUR fabulous foreign policy experience!" the press will start asking, and talking about it. The emperor will be revealed as naked, and, memories of Bill Clinton will be further strengthened. And I don't mean misty water colored memories. I mean "Damn. Don't want to go THERE" memories. But go ahead, Howard. Fabulous strategy. Just like the "inevitable" strategy.
March 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean like this:
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1719901,00.html
March 7, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link.
Clinton better complain about how biased Time is....
March 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has been one of the perplexity of the campaign for me: his supporters' view of him as an angel of sweetness and light was so different from my immeidiate recognition of him as a vicious infighter. Donnie McGlurkin was a dog whistle to homophobes.
March 8, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media is just so unfair to Hillary Clinton.
March 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no problem with what the journalist did, even as a big Obama supporter.
She said it, and that's that. You are NEVER off the record, especially when you are working with a campaign for PRESIDENCY.
Power called Hillary a monster (I agree with her), and you can't blame the reporter for that.
I was a little mad that the Hillary campaign called for Power to be "FIRED" as opposed to calling for her resignation. Big difference in those terms.
March 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the problem with the campaign sticking up for this statement? Is Clinton a monster for the type of campaign she is running? I'd love to see Obama speak truth to power and expose the diabolic nature of her politics.
March 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's a dirtball.
It was unnecessary and gratuitous.
Reporters leave out stuff all the time.
And keep in mind that Powers was not just a party hack. She was a Pulitzer Prize winning anti-genocide intellectual.
March 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. And so it continues...
Oh well, it could be worse. This shit could be hitting the fan right before PA.
Maybe the pendulum will swing back, and Obama will get some decent press in when it counts.
March 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very true. And somehow, speaking of MS (I lived for 7 years in Oxford, MS) I don't think voters in MS are going to care all that much about monster-gate. There'll be those who say "Damn! Hillary IS a monster" and there will be those who say "They're picking on that lady", and their votes will cancel each other out.
I'm deeply interested in the results from the Magnolia State. Which candidate is going to triumph?
March 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as Mississippi .....it is going to be black people vote for Obama and that's about all you need to know. It is as blatantly racist as you can imagine but what the f*** are you gonna do. I guess I would want to kick whitey in the ass too. Of course if all the women voted for Hillary that would be sexist and vile and we do not want to go there!
March 8, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid that might not happen. The Clinton camp has the media absolutely cowered in a corner with her idiotic cries of unfair treatment. We all thought she sounded like a whiny baby at the last debate, whining about always getting the first question, the SNL skit, etc. But you know what - it worked. Ever since then the press has been relentless with Obama and has eaten up every f**king word that Wolfson and Penn throw out there - the more ludicrous, the better. I NEVER thought I'd see the day when the press was enabling the Clintons - it's really an amazing time.
The Obama people have got to find a way to get the focus back on her, to her inconsistencies, to her lack of experience, and to get the press to begin investigating why she hasn't released her tax returns since 2000, who's donated to the Clinton Foundation, where she got the $5M she loaned her campaign, and several other issues that need a closer look. I don't know how they'll do that, but they must so they can take her down completely, regardless of her whines, complaints and attacks. She is a traitor to her party and to the very idea of Democracy and she needs to be exposed as the self-serving, ruthless, stop-at-nothing politician that she is.
March 7, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The press enables many people. That's what is so disgraceful about the current generation of reporters. They are so easily spun, so credulous, so wanting to be on the inside of things that they can easily be influenced.
It's embarassing. But it is what it is.
Clinton is having a good week. It's not going to last. And she can't claim "bias" after this week. She really should have saved the "bias" complaint until the general election, if she makes it there, because the media love John McCain.
Another tactical mistake by the Clinton campaign.
March 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Get the focus back on her"? That was precisely what she was camplaining about -- they were focused almost entirely on her.
What needs to happen is for the media to focus -- fairly -- on both of them.
This has not been happening.
For example, I am not a journalist but I got curious about what had happened with Obama's land deal. The press was declaring that there was nothing to look at because the Chicago press had dealt with the matter. When you looked at the Chicago press they were complaining vociferously that Obama was refusing to answer questions. So I did some digging and found something which may or not mean something but needs to be investigated. By separating the house which is in the from the lot, the house came within Obama's price range. Michelle Obama was a member of the 9 person Landmark Commission which controls whether or not that separation could be made. So did she vote on that application or not or was the matter controlled by Landmark commission staff? If she voted on it when she wanted to buy the house, she had a conflict of interest and was acting in her and Obama's interest rather than protecting the nature of the Kenwood districts with its gracious yards which was her duty as a commmissioner. Michelle was on the commission fomr 1998 to March 28,2005. The Obama's made their offers for the house in January 2005.
March 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah let's talk about the inexperience thing ...... ooops! that just blew up in your face! Clinton has so much more experience in world affairs that when the fascist party arranges a little terrorist scare in October she will not miss a beat. The Obomb will piss his pants because no one in middle America is going to believe he has anything close to the experience to handle the situation. Sorry that fact sucks for you.
March 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting, apparently reporters let McCain say all sorts of ugly stuff and they give him a pass since he gives them lots of access.
So there are no real rules, just rules of convenience.
And yeah, never trust a reporter.
March 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
She didn't set out to get a scalp, but she couldn't pass up the opportunity to print what Power wanted off the record.
nice
She could have stayed with the substance of the interview, which still got at the point of Hillary's scurrilous attacks of late, but she couldn't resist putting the word monster out there, consequences be damned.
March 7, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The bad point of the reporting wasn't this comment. It was the overall flow of the article. The reporter made it out that the new foreign policy that Power is advising Obama on amounts to an attempt to appease tyrants by being nicer to them, that this was the difference between the proposed Obama administration and current US policy. It's clear, reading the article, that the reporter intended to do a hack job for Clinton - or at the least totally misunderstands and/or disrespects the Power-Obama prospectus.
March 7, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe we should ask for the full taperecording, unedited and uneditorialized?
March 8, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Methinks Ms. Peev is going to have some difficulty getting interviews with ANYONE going forward. Pity, she's still young; and by the time she retires, I expect she'll be interviewing people calling in with classified ads.
March 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, did Wolfson send you this?
March 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, all reporters get talking points from campaigns. I'm sure he got this from Wolfson.
March 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a journalist, Samantha Power does know the rules, which is why she had every reason to expect that the comment would NOT be printed.
March 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You certainly no journalist and you have no idea what the rule is. If you want something off record, you say it is off record before you say it. You don't say it then try to keep it off the reocord. That's the basic rule. Understand?
March 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media, along with TPM staff (sadly, I might add), have given in to the slime that's spewing from Clinton and her campaign staff. No wonder Dems are called pussies.
P.S. Look at my photo. Look at it. LOOK!
P.S.S. I'm not going to clean up that puke.
March 7, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously? More of this crap? Hey TPM crew there are other stories out there. Even CNN managed these headlines in the last half an hour:
March 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to hand it to Clinton. She is relentless. And that is a quality that she and her supporters tout as proof that she's a fighter and can get things done. Even Josh talked about that quality admiringly in connection to some of her debate performances. All well and good I suppose. Except, without any context, this characteristic is not a virtue.
Why couldn't she have been this relentless when searching for the truth before voting for the Iraq war? She didn't read the full NIE, and just gave Bush the benefit of the doubt.
March 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She blew off the NIE because she WANTED to vote for war--it was her test of CIC-hood.
March 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would be a snappy comeback - Clinton's idea of crossing the threshold for CIC is to start a war with the wrong country. So yes, both she and McCain pass this test with flying colors!
March 7, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's not spin, it's not fit to print.
March 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Samantha Power was quite clear concerning journalism rules in the UK: it is determined beforehand (not midstream) whether interviews are on or off the record. Despite the sputtering outrage by blog commentors in the US, that's the way it's done over there.
I, for one, am quite happy with how the Brits cover news. If it weren't for them, we Americans would be much less wise about the goings-on in our own country for the past seven years.
And am I the only one who found it a little silly for one of the knuckleheads at MSNBC (of all places) to be questioning an actual reporter about journalistic ethics?
March 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all my time as a reporter, I've only seen derision directed at sources who say "that's off the record" after committing news. Say it beforehand, and give the reporter a chance to tell you whether they want to hear the off-the-record thing or not. But then I've never worked in washington political circles.
Once a reporter in the next cubicle over got a phone call from a pentagon type about 15 minutes after the interview was over: "That was all off the record, wasn't it?" Best laugh we'd had in weeks.
March 7, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes!
it's interesting that there are so many media savvy folks here who don't understand how going off the record works.
less blinders, people.
March 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You all need to lighten up on this reporter. The whole "Off the record" thing is bullshit. It's an enormously corrupting influence in our culture, because it allows reporters to cozy up to journalists and vise versa. And totally erodes trust in the media. In all honestly, we should get rid of it.
Of course, that will never happen, because people enjoy it it too much.
March 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
So who does Obama get know for foreign policy advice? Is Obama still getting any from Powell? He was in June 2007. Would it hurt him with Dems to solicit more advice from Powell? Would it hurt Powell? He seemed to be open to advising any of the candidates in his interviews last year. With Hillary digging up any general she can find, perhaps Obama needs to give Colin a call.
March 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing is ever 'OFF THE RECORD"? Really? Gee - then Bob Woodward and Ben Bradlee were really 'breaking the rule' when they kept 'Deep Throat"'s identity 'off the record' for over 20 years.
Here is how a reporter with professional integrity would have reported the story:
"an individual with close ties to the Obama campaign, today, referred to HIllary Clinton as a 'monster'....."
Story told. Identity concealed and kept 'off the record' as requested. End of story.
Except, of course, that more and more these days, 'reporter' and 'integrity' are two words one should never use in the same sentence - unless to indicate the appalling lack of the latter in the professional lives of the former.
March 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure Andrew wouldn't mind me posting something from his blog:
What Foreign Policy Experience?
07 Mar 2008 06:33 pm
The Chicago Tribune does us all a service by examining what exactly is Senator Clinton's experience. Read the whole thing, but the Macedonia and Northern Ireland claims are the most revealing:
Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo.
Both claims are ludicrously untrue. All she did in Northern Ireland was have tea with some local peace activist women. Laura Bush could argue, by that token, that she has ended AIDS in Africa. But here's the beaut:
The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders.
Clinton has next to no foreign policy experience. And no executive experience. She has less legislative experience than Obama. And she has not just exaggerated, but flat-out lied, about her non-achievements. I'm glad the Tribune has done this. Can the rest of media follow up?
March 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha, I posted the same thing in another TPM thread. With proper citation, of course.
March 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
What were the behind the scenes agreement before she agreed to go? Do you know? I don't but given Hillary's descriptions in the debates about how to judge when to meet with foreign leaders it could well be.
March 8, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's wong with you people, HRC is no monster, I saw her
in the "Billary McBush" movie and she looked just fine at 3 am with Make-up and a pants suit. To me, she looked more lake "Hillary Dearest" minis the wire hangers.
March 7, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sexist and ageist. So helpful in getting the older Democratic women to vote for your guy.
March 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons are starting to remind me of those people we all know in life of thriving on controversy. If there isn't something bad in their lives, they make up something so they can have that victim stuff to dwell on that they so love.
It's really pretty sad that a couple of the supposed stature of the Clintons have reduced themselves to campaigning, not on their own merits, but on the tear down the other guy stuff.
They dwelled on the vast right wing conspiracy when in office...now they've successfully sucked the media into the *woe is me you are so hard on me* mess.
Maybe the right wing wasn't so wrong all those years about this power couple. The Clintons sure seem to love dwelling in this muck.
March 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW...Powers said what she said, she had to go.
The reporter who's playing it for all it's worth is simply another hack looking for her slice of the pie.
No one wins in this.
'Cept maybe the Clintons who get more fuel for their muck war.
March 7, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on, Carol, Samantha Powers gave an on-the-record interview with a British reporter; a scheduled interview. Sam even waited for the reporter to turn on her micro-recorder! How can anyone as savvy as Samantha Powers expect any reporter to censor the contents of a scheduled and recorded interview?
And to make matters worse, Powers gave the interview in Britain where "off-the-record" has established guidelines, one of them being you can't say "off-the-record" during an on-the-record taped and scheduled interview! I mean, Powers, of all people, should know how the British media works. It's not the reporter's fault at all.
Powers gave Clinton a gift wrapped with a bow. She made things worse by unclearly stating Obama's Iraq policy, another Sam brush fire the candidate had to extinguish today.
She deserved to lose her job. I hope she gets it back after some months in purgatory, but this was an inexcusable blunder by someone who knew better. Obama doesn't need this crap from within his campaign's senior policy staff right now.
March 7, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is evident from all the incoherent crap being said upstream here against Hillary and her supporters that it is clearly time for Obama to drop out. Him and his cult are tearing the party apart, his supporters are vile and vicious, slinging slurs toward anyone that is not 100% behind him. He can not handle the pressure of hiding his lies and illegal activities. TPM comments was one of the last spots where rational people could come talk and discuss with an occasional Jake troll that needed slaying but now it is filled with Obama's cult following and and a burn it down mentality by his cult. I will be glad to see him go down as he is now headed , the sooner the better for the Democratic party .
March 7, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please tell me it's satire. Anyway, it"s "he and his cult," not "him." Correct grammar is important in satire so that you are not taken for an illiterate fool, but the brilliant, Swiftian genius you are.
March 8, 2008 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons are starting to remind me of those people we all know in life of thriving on controversy. If there isn't something bad in their lives, they make up something so they can have that victim stuff to dwell on that they so love.
It's really pretty sad that a young man of the supposed stature of Obama has reduced himself to campaigning, not on his own merits, but on the tear down the other guy stuff.
He dwelled on the getting housing deals from Chicago's political/crime boss when in office...now he has successfully sucked the media into the *woe is me you are so hard on me* mess.
Maybe the right wing wasn't so wrong all those years about this muslim mole. The cult of Obama's sure seem to love dwelling in this muck.
hat tip to G Davis
March 7, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
What in the name of all that is holy are you talking about? You are making zero sense here...Obama is campaigning by tearing the other "guy" down? What planet are you living on? I think you meant to type "Clinton" in all of those statements because that's exactly what she's doing - she's making it her life's work to tear him down; she's succeeded in getting the media to buy into her "woe is me" bullshit. Your comments are priceless - I got a good chuckle from them.
The "cult" doesn't exist with Obama supporters; your own delusional posts are proof enough for me that the Clinton supporters are the ones drinking the Kool-Aid here - you absolutely can't see the forest for the trees.
And, by the way, regarding your post downthread, the NAFTA story has been thoroughly and utterly debunked, so stop spouting this nonsense.
March 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ms. Powers should know better than to be doing what she's been doing. She certainly has enough experience with reporting and politics.
It's a good thing she's gone. I think it would be wise of her to remain gone.
I hope Mr. Obama understands that.
March 7, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media, along with TPM staff (sadly, I might add), have given in to the slime that's spewing from Obama and his Cult. No wonder Dems are called pussies.
Hat tip Hoost
March 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would be a snappy comeback - Obama's idea of crossing the threshold for CIC is to lie about a NAFTA talk with Canada and cheap houses with strings . So yes, both Obama and McCain pass this test with flying colors!
Hat tip cadms
March 7, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me... Journalist myself, have been editor in chief of various publications, sub-editor too, chief of the political desk, etc etc. And the journalist is completely right.
What kind of world would we be living in if a person of important standing, someone who has power (in whatever way) over other people - or influences a powerful person's decisions - lets rip his or her deepest, truthful, most insightful thoughts and opinions about a subject...but then quickly withdraws them cuz ohmygosh, it's bad for business/politics/my objectives/the person I'm working for?
Puhleez. That's the game EVERYBODY plays nowadays.
Go talk to the journos on the campaign beat. It drives-them-nuts. They get played all the time, only get told that "this is on background" or "this is strictly off the record - but listen..."
There's a word for it: manipulation.
Here's the deal, and here's a LOT of years of journalistic experience talking: if you, as a journalist, invite someone for an *interview*, and the person targeted agrees to it, then that's that - it's an interview.
Especially if the interviewer makes it clear that it is going to be on the record.
There's no middle ground on this. There's no gray area. And that's clear from the moment you agree to an interview.
If you, the interviewee, want to say something off the record, then the formula is: "Hey, can we stop the recording device for a minute, so I can talk off the record about this-or-that...?"
The device is stopped.
Done? The device is started again, and it's back on the record.
That is how it's done.
This Samantha Powers did an interview with The Scotsman cos she had a book to sell. So it was arranged by her publishing company. Fine, the deal is that other topics can be talked about as well.
But Powers obviously hadn't had any media training, cos she blatantly shot her mouth off. She informed the Scotsman journalist of her true opinion about Clinton, and then she realised her mistake and tried to take it back.
Sorry, no go. That's simply not how it works.
And all you anonymous Obamanazis who are now suddenly coming out of the woodwork to beat up on a journalist had better realise:
1. Obama is a politician. Like every other politician, he's had to beat up on people, blunt noses, rub some elbow. Smell the coffee.
2. If what you Obamanazis are crowing here about the Scotsman journalist had been fashionable in the early 1970s, GOP operatives could have burgled the Watergate hotel 3000 times without anybody being caught.
March 7, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obamanazis??? You're joking, right? Why don't you speak about the way your profession is being shamelessly manipulated by the Clinton campaign? How they are stenographers for all of the innuendos and rumors that the Clinton camp is putting out there without investigating whether they are even true? About the way they cowered in the corner after Hillary "scolded" them about their "unfair" treatment? How the media are doing exactly the same thing that we have been deriding them for with regard to the current Administration and the Republicans in general? And comparing this woman's report with Woodward and Bernstein's investigative reporting to blow open the Watergate burglary and the ensuing scandal is just ludicrous. She's not uncovering some goddamned illegal goings-on in the Administration - she had an interview with an Obama adviser and she got a juicy little gaffe and ran with it for sensationalist purposes.
You know what? I'll buy into your argument that Power did a stupid thing and then tried to take it back. And that the reporter had every right (perhaps even an obligation) to publish it anyway. But calling it manipulation is way, way over the top. Surely even as a Clinton supporter you can have a wee bit of objectivity (after all, you are a journalist, right?)
March 7, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, a "journalist" using the word "Obamanazi."
Antother Hillocrite.
March 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
acnnc, go ahead and keep bringing up those land deals and campaign finance problems...wonder who'll lose that battle between the Clintons and Obama?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-yglesias4oct04,0,6253673.story?coll=la-opinion-center
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022202189.html
http://www.margieburns.com/blog/_archives/2008/2/2/3501879.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-clinton-financesmar04,0,5935166.story
http://thememlingindex.com/hillary_clinton_net_worth-wealth.html
Just a few of the latest trips down the Clinton's financial trail.
That's not even touching Hsu or any of the slightly older problems.
Maybe they could release those pesky tax returns to start us off....what do ya think?
And land deals? You really think the Clintons want to run down that road again?
Side by side comparisons...go ahead...I'd love to know more about the Rezko thing as I want to know who I'm voting for. But while we're looking into that mess, let's look at ALL the messes that ALL the candidates bring us.
You think the Clintons are vetted? HA! I'll put my money on ANYONE side by side against them in the sleeze department.
March 7, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good example of why NO ONE wants to speak to the press.
March 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even though I hate Tucker carlson he skewered her and she fell flat on her limey butt. She deserved it! She did this on purpose, I know the British press, look what they did to Diana, this reporter is an abomination!
March 7, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK-
So what do you think about this...
-Hillary wants to win, but to me it looks like she is getting way too negative and way too nasty towards a fellow democrat.
So I asked myself why?
Why would she be, what it seems like, willing to rip the party apart to win? There is basically no way she will get a lead in popular vote or delegates. So what is she doing???
I think her strategy is either she wins or no democrat wins. I think she is willing to let McBush win over Barack... Keep tearing Barack apart, keep the party from pulling together before the convention, and draw this thing out.
What? this is crazy you say? Really..? is it that
crazy...? If McBush wins it will likely only be for 1 term (he'll be too old to run again). If Barack wins he will likely be in there for 2 terms, not allowing her to run again for 8 years, or when she is 69 years old. But if McBush wins she can run again in only 4 years and likely win.
God I hope I'm wrong.
I can't figure out another reason for the character assassination on Barack...
March 7, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
KO had a reporter from Salon on tonight (can't remember/find his name); bottom line--McCain is tempermentally unsuited to have his finger on the button. He's gonna blow, Hillary knows it, so she's got to get past Barack, then she figures it's a piece of cake to get past McCain.
Of course, if that plan fails and McCain wins, then we'll have her to thank when it all goes to hell.
March 7, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez, Hilary should be used to name-calling by now. What was that term Barbara Bush used a few years ago?
March 7, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Excuse me... Journalist myself, have been editor in chief of various publications, sub-editor too, chief of the political desk, etc etc. And the journalist is completely right."
Yeah, and what's your other hand doing while you're typing, son?
March 7, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Maybe the pendulum will swing back, and Obama will get some decent press in when it counts."
Do you think this will happen?
The media has gone nuts lately.
He needs some good newscycles, yet people like Greg spend their entire week in conference calls with Wolfson and copy-paste scurilous attacks one after another.
Next week, stay tuned for Wolfson's next parry over Obama's overdue library books!!
March 7, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could Samantha Powers end up being good for Obama?
I remember a few days ago some Obama supporters thought it would be a good idea to have a surrogate go after Hillary... who better than Samantha Powers!
This might actually work out to Obama's favor. She is now officially off the campaign, but can still criticize Hillary and praise Obama.
March 7, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
So I'm guessing that since Sinbad and Sheryl Crow also accompanied Hillary on her one-day trip that single-handedly restored peace in Kosovo . . . that both Sheryl and Sinbad have ALSO passed the Commander-in-Chief threshold?
March 7, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
There has been a methodical effort by the Obama campaign -- don't listen to the golden-throated one -- to damage Hillary, since she was the front-runner. Go read the Huffington Post -- or here, for that matter -- the names that are being called, and have been called, the number of times I have seen the "b" word, and "Bush Lite," and "warmonger," and "corrupt Clinton administration -- it's a funny thing, but when the Internet provides your money, isn't it the people that are the campaign? And what they say is revealing? And I haven't heard such vitriol about a Clinton since the wackos in Arkansas were making one crap charge after another. Let's see, her voters in New Hampshire are racists, they rigged it in diebold machines, Bill is a racist, Hillary's a Nazi -- if it was just one comment there, pssht -- nothing. But the overarching tone is hysterical, non-historical, unreasonable and petulant. Tell you what, you spend way to much time tearing Hillary down, and next to no time talking about Obama and what he wants to do.
March 8, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would he want to get foreign policy advice from the man who carried water for Bush's war in Iraq?
Powell was the guy whose presence reassured people that the inexperienced Bush wouldn't do anything stupid in foreign policy. Instead, he let himself be used by Bush/Cheney and gave credibility to the worst foreign policy blunder since Viet Nam. Worse yet, even after he knew he had been duped, he played the good soldier, rather than resigning when it might have had some influence on the 2004 election.
Powell's the last person Obama should be getting advice from, present members of the Bush administration excepted.
March 8, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like that she used the notion of "opportunity" in her interview. Since Rice, I have found that to be such an ugly word. There's always someone at the other end who pays a price, isn't there?
She said that she set out to do an interview with Ms. Power on her book but then she adds that she wanted to show a bit of the tension that exist between the campaigns. Not that it's important any more, but at what point did she embarked on that presumably new project for her article?
On another point, while I am understand the whole on/off the record thing, clearly from what she recounts, Ms. Power was in some distress following that phone call, which I understood from another source, concerned her friend Mr. Goolsbee. It seems to me that there is clearly some element of human compassion here that should have impacted her judgment on whether or not to publish that remark.
All that said, I think that it has all turned out quite well for Senator Obama. I noticed that almost all day he has had the "opportunity" (the good kind) to return to the issues, namely his stance on the Iraq war, something he has been trying to do since the begining of the week. As well, a larger number of people have come to know about Samantha Power and her criticisms of the Clinton administration. All in all, not too bad for the Obama campaign.
I am sorry though for Ms. Power but I'm sure she'll move on to better things. If anything, she is now able to criticize Clinton foreign policy more freely. I'm sure Tucker would be very happy to have her on his show. He really went ballistic towards Ms. Peev today.
March 8, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
My apologies for the typos above.
March 8, 2008 2:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
why is she mentioning the phonecall back from obama camps and says "but i'm not gonna get into it because that call WAS off the record". Now if it's off the record, why does she mention it!??? That journalist is definitely looking for fame. Off the record=don't mention contents, don't mention existance, don't mention it AT ALL!
March 8, 2008 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Explainer: I didn't write anywhere that I'm not an AMERICAN journalist, did I?
And I'm using the word "Obamanazi" not just as a joke.
I'm using the nazi-word to highlight the extremism of faith, not ideology (doh). But to me, more and more Obama-supporters come across as kids who shout "Vote Obama! Vote Obama!" and who, at the first hint of an opposition tale, shove their index fingers into their ears and go "OOOH I CAN'T HEAR YOU NANANANANA LALALALA VOTE OBAMAAAAA NANANANA...!"
It's like talking to people from the Bush Base. Blinded and deaf.
I'm sure you guys would find the rhetoric to excuse Obama were he filmed eating babies, just like the Bush Base forgave Bush for betraying just about every Republican fiscal rule in the GOP book cos he was a Reborn Christian. Pfah.
March 8, 2008 6:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
" It is clearly time for Obama to drop out. Him and his cult are tearing the party apart,
This is like, satire, right? "
"Please tell me it's satire. Anyway, it"s "he and his cult," not "him." Correct grammar is important in satire so that you are not taken for an illiterate fool, but the brilliant, Swiftian genius you are. "
Posted by mjshep
Yes it is satire, taking the vile and vicious words of Obama supporters and changing Hillary to Obama to show people how it sounds to the other 50% +/- of us dems. A lot of the problem is the web sites that promote the division.
PS: I was/am an Edwards supporter who still believes he would be a much better President than the other two , one of which I will vote for in the general. But Obama supporters are starting to turn me off.
PPS: I leave the original grammar and mistakes when possible, for effect. But I also make mistakes and am not nearly as smart or good looking as you . :)~
March 8, 2008 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
I will leave the question about whether in the context reported whether the comment should have been on or off the record to the professionals.
I don't think its crawling out on a limb to say that, right or wrong, this reporter has essentially killed a career. I don't doubt for a minute that she will always have a job but if she thinks she's ever going to have a real interview with any public official or candidate she has completely lost her mind. By real I mean an actual conversational interview, not asking questions at a press conference or the corner of a convention floor. Who would trust her now? and if you can't trust the reporter you are talking to why would you agree to an interview?
March 8, 2008 7:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Judgment?
March 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Comments are only "off the record" if they are pro-Obama/anti-Clinton. Life is a bitch, get over it! Nothing is "off the record." Ms. Power said it, deal with it. More honesty in the press is needed, not crap like MSNBC (Tweety, Crazy Olbermann, Tucker and their yes men/women), ObamaPost (run by former or current neocon Ariana Huffington), and the leftist loonies out there. Time to look at Obama and his buddy Rezko and the house/property he acquired on the cheap.
March 8, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tucker Carlson unintentionally reveals the role of the American press Great Salon piece:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/08/carlson/
PEEV: If this is the first time that candid remarks have been published about what one campaign team thinks of the other candidate, then I would argue that your journalists aren't doing a very good job of getting to the truth.
Obama decries the fractious politics of "tearing your opponents down instead of lifting the country up." Sure he does ;)
March 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has been running around endorsing John McCain. He has said that he is going to have the same foreign and domestic policies as George W. Bush. Yet Hillary has endorsed him, over Senator Obama. That makes Hillary just another traitor to the party. She is just the same as Joe Lieberman, and should be given the same treatment. She should be driven out of the party. She is not a loyal Democrat, any more than Joe Lieberman was.
March 8, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
are you kidding? are you saying that quote's not news? or that it wasn't immediately of such note in the interview dynamic that the subject immediately tried to retract it?
journalists are OBLIGATED to run with stuff like that, yes. if they don't--if they hold back--then they're not journalists; they're opinion brokers... i.e. nytimes political journalism coverage.
March 8, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a shame.
An accomplished, liberal, female foreign policy expert taken down by Team Clinton, for one stupid remark made in the course of a long and distinguished career.
Why are feminists supporting Hillary Clinton?
Because of her gender? That's ludicrous.
March 8, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmf.
People who want to crucify the reporter for doing her job: shame on you. If only the American press didn't self-censor, then perhaps we wouldn't be in Iraq. Had they not protected the president, or, even more, not stoked the insane rage-against-the-brown-people furor that went on after you-know-what, then the world would be a different place.
The reporter didn't make Power say what she said. And like the commenter upthread (who knows what they're talking about) reporters are under no moral, legal or ethical obligation to rescue interviewees who regret what they've willingly offered in an interview that's clearly been established as on-the-record. In fact, it would be a breach of professional ethics to protect an interviewee from themselves. That's not a reporter's job.
If you want to condemn the reporter, perhaps you should join the Republican party. That's how they do business. Last time I checked it was the Dems who support more transparency in public campaigns as well as government.
Samantha Power either made a rookie mistake (odd, but not unprecedented, even in national politics) or she threw that out there purposely to further a meme ("Hillary will do anything to win" -- as if there's anyone--including Obama-- running for president who wouldn't??), figuring that the worst case would be that she'd have to disappear for a while. But you're foolish if you believe she's been permanently cut off from the campaign.
In the end, it doesn't hurt Obama one bit. His response just polishes his image as the guy above all that unpleasant political fray.
March 8, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's making a mess of the Democratic Party. She really is a monster. I am sorry, for the first time I am thinking of voting for McCain which would be the first Republican President I've ever voted for. I've been active in Democratic caucuses for many years. Justice of the peace, etc. But the Clinton's selling out to the health insurance companies and big pharmacueticals is too much. Bill's selling of the Lincoln bedroom and philandering and lying when he should have been fighting the Republicans and now Hillary acting just like a Republican.
I could see maybe McCain backing off from Reaganomics when and if the economy gets worse. I have my doubts about Hillary doing anything as she's in hock to the Rich people funding her campaign. Look where her daughter's working: Hedge funds..(and Bill of all presidents gave Hedge fund managers a huge tax break..)
And sadly I am hearing that Hillary's lesbianism isn't some right wing myth.. Democrat Law students are spreading some facts about those issues too. People have seen the evidence. Not that she doesn't have a right to do what she wants in private life.....but the constant hiding and dissembling about it would be a curse of her administration while Bill would be off with some floozy again too.
It's all about the Clinton and none for the rest of us.
March 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Might be the first time in my life that I'll vote for a Republican for President and that's a few decades worth on not voting Republican.
The Clintons are bring the Democratic party down.
March 8, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
haha. +1
March 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a server, we are asked to claim atleast 10% of our tips. If we don't claim 10% that says two things; 1)You're not being honest about how much you made or 2) you're not doing your job.
I am all for the media. I believe in journalistic duty and responsibility but Ms. Peev's naivety about not having a "horse in the race" and US vs UK media etiquette, to me, is an act and not done convincingly. When someone says, "off the record" EVERYONE knows what that term means, NOT to print it in the story. You have not done your job.
Ms. Gerri Peev should resign from her post at the Scotsmen effective immediately.
March 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Journalism in Britain is a blood sport, twenty minutes visiting newspaper websites on a busy day would make this clear to most people. That said, what this young "journo" said to cover her ass on this was ridiculous: "Is that how you do it in the States?" Jesus, what a crock. Like the US was something she'd only heard vague travelers' tales about until she was assigned to cover it. Elle est un voyou, to be rude in French about it. Wonder if she's ever been to France?...
If S. Powers, the victim of this career-damaging little stunt by that ink-stained wretch, was herself a journalist, there is no excuse for her not knowing that she was in the room with the journalistic equivalent, by boring old American standards at least, of a scorpion, and she needed to preface remarks like this with, "This is off the record"--and then wait for the British reporter to nod or blink or something to indicate that this journalistic aegis has been extended to the subject.
Did I mention she was disingenuous to a breathtaking degree?
March 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink