Texas Battle Heats Up: Clinton Camp Allleges Obama Caucusers Locking Out Hillary Backers
The Hillary campaign just held an "emergency" conference call in which they made a sharp allegation: They say that Obama officials in Texas are "locking out" Hillary supporters from participating in the caucuses.
The tone is strikingly urgent on the call, with Hillary campaign lawyer Lyn Utrect saying that "the Obama people have managed to take control over the precinct conferences and shut doors when people in line were supposed to be allowed in to participate."
In a sign of just how tense the battle in Texas has become, an Obama lawyer, Bob Bauer, crashed the call, and battled it out pretty aggressively with Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson for several minutes.
Wolfson, separately, sought to confer added urgency by noting that this was the first time that such a call had been convened by the Clinton campaign. More in a bit.
Late Update: Ben Smith has more good color from the call.















THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
March 4, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anything to win. Anything to win. And if we can't win, we'll take our ball and go home. Crybabies.
March 4, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are serious claims, and sound a lot like the Obama complaints after Nevada. It's too early to judge the validity of these accusations, bit I think Ben Smith's reporting on the Clinton campaign's own desire to "control" the caucuses provides some useful context.
Texas caucus hardball
March 01, 2008
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Texas_caucus_hardball.html
March 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly. i was trying to find that information to post and you beat me to it.
March 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Taking that into account with this http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/caucus_problems_in_texas.php
makes it seem that Hillary's folks weren't able to control the caucuses like they wanted to and are pissed over it.
Remember that this Clinton caucus plan involved her supporters arriving at 6:30pm - while Obama supporters were being told to arrive at 7:15pm while the doors weren't supposed to open until 7:30pm.
I find this disgusting. Playing with voters and votes should be the most severely punished crimes in our nation.
March 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they're full of shit.
March 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I talked to my mom in Midland, Texas. This is the exact OPPOSITE of what was happening where she was caucusing. She arrived early and was told that she could not enter until after 7 pm. That is until she discovered that they were letting Clinton supporters in the back door.
March 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to tell your mom to report this either to the police or to party officials, whichever is easier. That is blatantly illegal and is exactly what Hillary's campaign was telling her supporters to do in the run up to the caucus.
March 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And just where do you get your information that this ("letting Clinton supporters in the back door") "is exactly what Hillary's campaign was telling her supporters to do in the run up to the caucus"? The parts of the caucus training materials disseminated by the Clinton campaign that I've seen quoted were simply warning Clinton supporters not to let Obama supporter gain total control of the causus precinct process, especially in precincts where the Clinton caucusers were outnumbered. Sounds to me like the Clinton campaign had reason to worry if this story about Clinton caucusers being shut locked out is true.
And, Publicus Hussein, did your mother "discover" this nefarious plot with her own eyes, or was she told of it? If with her own eyes, how does she know that they were caucusers being let in? And, if caucusers, why not Obama caucusers stacking the deck before the doors opened? Rumor mongering is serious business in any discussion, but even more so when the rumors involve voting rights. So, be careful.
March 4, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marc Ambinder has a blog post up alleging similar abuses.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obama_campaign_on_clinton_shen.php
Although he had a later post pointing to some alleged abuses by Obama campaign workers
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/caucus_problems_in_texas.php
March 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every time Hillery burbs or farts Greg Sargent writes them up as songs from an angel.
March 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahahahaha!
March 4, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quoted for Truth.
March 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This isnt surprising. I'm sure there is a lot more going on at caucuses that the general public doesnt know about, and given how emphatic supporters can be for either candidate, I can see stuff like this happening. Just like in Nevada, all kinds of stuff happened. I'm sure more info will come out.
March 4, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her specific argument is that Obama's camp had "access" to campaign material before Clinton's. This is such a garbage claim that it's laughable. Hillary herself admitted to how woefully behind her own inner circle was in learning about the intricacies of the Texas system. This is all about setting the table for the media to discount the result coming from the caucus where Clinton is badly out-organized, and giving her yet another pass in another aspect of the nomination process where she was just simply outworked.
March 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she's trying to delegitimize a Barack Texas win so he can't go ahead and claim the win tonight and roll out his 50 Superdelegates and 50+million February numbers. At this point, she's not waging a campaign, she's simply trying to buy time by using negative tactics for the past 10 days, and now, litigation. Scorched earth. God I hope Barack wins RI and OH.
March 4, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here comes the 'Texas doesn't count' argument.
March 4, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Small states don't coun.. er, wait a minute.. damn.
March 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
How dare they?! How dare those Obama caucusers try to do what Hillary's people did in Nevada?!! And the nerve of them trying to beat Hillary at doing it again in Texas! Shocking.
March 4, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've defended Greg, Eric and Josh, saying that just because I don't like the news doesn't make it wrong and they were trying to be non-partisan. I don't believe that anymore. Not reporting Hillary's praise of McCain over Obama and now this made me change my mind.
http://208.122.14.138/thefield/?p=829#more-829
has names and precints listed.
March 4, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!
yoohoo! our village idiot is back!
March 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
here in rural central texas - we had more democrats standing outside in the brisk evening than i knew were in my precinct... and every single name on the signin sheets i saw went for obama... every single one...
the only hillary person in the room was the jcrew looking guy from the campaign who had this deer in the headlights look on his face when confronted with the line that went well out into the parkinglot.
March 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am hearing the same from both sides, Clinton and Obama supporters allegedly playing foul--should be investigated.
Did anyone notice, though, how everyone is reporting nearly 1 MILLION votes in TX to only be 2%? It makes no sense!
March 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think those are mainly the early voting numbers. Which is not good news for Clinton (recall that SurveyUSA had her LEADING early voting). With that spread, she'd have to a big day today and the exit polling doesn't seem to support that conclusion. Still early, we will see how it all turns out (probably tomorrow).
March 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
More Clinton campaign posturing. Probably just anticipating fall-out from this:
March 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somehow I doubt it
March 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why must politics be so ugly?
March 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's up with the Texas numbers? Over a million votes counted with only 4% reporting? That can't be right. Ah, Wolf just explained that only 4% of the precincts have COMPLETELY reported. But how much of the projected vote do the current numbers represent?
March 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
950k people early voted
those votes are counted as 1 precinct
730k of those votes were made by dems
March 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
here's a thought: caucuses, all caucuses, are tailor-made for just such ridiculous mischief-making and allegation and cross-allegation. these same complaints have permeated this blog on virtually every caucus vote held to date.
how any state and party can be so CHEAP as to sublimate the core democratic principle of one man one vote to $$ concerns by convening caucuses instead of primaries is absolutely shameful and in this regard, should the party get dealt obama as a result of this ridiculous process, we deserve everything we get.
March 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Bastards! Those reporters should get over there and break down those doors!
March 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quoting Carol Linley, lip-synching the hit song from the movie, "The Poseidon Adventure":
There's got to be a morning after....
March 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone wanna tell me why there's a story containing accusations against Obama, but nothing covering the corresponding accusations against Clinton?
Seriously, what's up with TPM lately?
March 4, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
greg's love of all things clintonian in origin, ie. EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It should be HRCTPM
March 4, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Voter fraud or no, this looks like a pre-meditated pretext for a legal challenge. As was talked about a couple of days ago, this may just be a tactic to try to suppress or delay the results of the TX caucus.
The press conference seems to have all the spontaneity of the pro-Bush actions in Florida 2000.
March 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
ABSOLUTELY, that's what it is Twin Planets; couldn't agree more. Obama gets to Denver with a lead in pledged delegates, and she tries to sway Super Delegates by claiming that caucuses aren't representative, and further, they were "stolen" by Barack all along as evidenced by our legal challenges in every single one since even Iowa.
If she steals this thing, she HAS to beg for Obama as VP. Otherwise, the Democrat coalition that has held since 1960 might have just been fractured and in need of serious realignment. Ralph Nader, somehow looks decent right now, and that makes me want to vomit.
March 5, 2008 5:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, color me dubious, and maybe not very informed yet, but it strikes me as relevant that the Clinton campaign convened a conference call with 'reporters' instead of with 'TX officials'.
March 4, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe it was Bill Clinton who wrote it into law that any election law violations are to be reported to the nearest assembled group of a sufficient number of reporters as early as is convenient (the law allows a maximum 5-hour delay to gather up enough journos.) Any attempt to report the crime to proper authorities causes the witness to be considered accomplice to the original crime and may lead up to 5 years' incarceration.
March 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if any of the reporters asked whether their training materials encouraged their supporters to obtain control the sign-in sheet/control of the caucus at all cost? Wait, that would be unfair to the Clintons (mind your media bias). Must be tough on Obama.
March 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just caucused in Houston, and the only questionable thing I know about was during voting -- a black woman I know was turned away at the polls for not being registered. It's sort of a Texas tradition to harrass black volunteers. They also like to have fewer voting machines in Democratic/black districts.
March 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Insane. I just came from the Democratic caucus in my neighborhood, and despite the hyperbole I'm seeing here and on other sites, it was a cordial, orderly process. Our kids were there with us, and I was proud of how well the whole thing went. It was all very open and above-board. 151 people caucused. Hillary got 70 votes, Barack 81. Though in my heavily Republican neighborhood, I suspect most of the Hillary voters were Republicans trying to give John McCain a boost in the general:
http://trailblazers.beloblog.com/archives/2008/03/lots-of-republicans-voting-dem.html
My MIL is a Hillary supporter in Dallas. Her caucus was a little more disorderly, but not because anybody was trying to cheat anybody, I don't think. They ended up with 77 caucusers, and only had two sign-in sheets (for a total of 20 voters). They had to go make more. But once that was done, it all went fine and she has no complaints.
BTW, a Democratic strategist called this move by the Hillary camp a week ago:
http://trailblazers.beloblog.com/archives/2008/03/d-strategist-on-caucus-fracas.html
March 4, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps these caucuses are full of mischief, both sides. But I've said before, if there's anything the Clintons can't control, even if it's on the up and up, they will fight to the death. They will throw a tantrum every day of the week and twice on Sunday to force division. This is a 30 year pattern. Blame the media. Blame the disarray of a caucus. Blame the judge in Nevada who wouldn't allow them to block the caucus of that union that didn't endorse Hillary. Blame the democratic party for not yet yielding to their request to count Florida and Michigan.
Regarding Texas, assuming both sides bent the rules.
Will they say "Hey, it's not fair they cheated better than we did"?
March 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just left my caucus in Austin. There were 200-300 people (my estimate) lined up to caucus and we had to wait forever to get inside. The doors didn't open until 8:15 or so, an hour after they were supposed to. (Apparently there was a mix-up getting the voter rolls up the caucus room -- I'm not sure exactly what the issue was.) In our case, there were at least a dozen Obama volunteers and one Clinton volunteer on hand. At one point the Clinton guy called out, "Stickers! Does anyone want a Clinton sticker?" Dead silence from the crowd. But once inside the hall, there were folks lining up at the Clinton table, so it wasn't a blowout.
March 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just listened to that call at the Politico. Whatever else happens tonight, Bob Bauer is a total badass.
March 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I listened also, to the entire call up to the point where reporter Kathy Grey from the Detroit Free Press identified herself.....then the recording just stopped advancing.
In response to the Chi Tribune reporter who asked about any action taken with officials before the press call.....the Clinton camp answered that they hadn't yet made such a contact....'because all the phone lines into officialdom were busy'.
Another reporter [didn't catch his name or affiliation] seemed to be well informed and ended up really giving the Clinton folks a hard time, citing their own caucus materials urging Clinton folks to take control and do so early in TX, as well as citing the instances of Clinton folks having closed caucus sites early in NV. This reporter had those facts at his fingertips and was willing to offer details, but the Clinton responders hurried on to pass by his offer.
March 4, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps these caucuses are full of mischief, both sides. But I've said before, if there's anything the Clintons can't control, even if it's on the up and up, they will fight to the death. They will throw a tantrum every day of the week and twice on Sunday to force division. This is a 30 year pattern. Blame the media. Blame the disarray of a caucus. Blame the judge in Nevada who wouldn't allow them to block the caucus of that union that didn't endorse Hillary. Blame the democratic party for not yet yielding to their request to count Florida and Michigan.
Regarding Texas, assuming both sides bent the rules.
Will they say "Hey, it's not fair they cheated better than we did"?
March 4, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like the Diebold voting machines and the Limbaugh voters are really kicking in for Hillary in Ohio...
Also, looking more like I will be writing in Al Gore for President this November.
March 4, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
My wife and I were not allowed in our polling place in precinct 219 in Randall County to caucus. We were there to caucus for Hillary.
March 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why weren't you allowed to caucus? You did get the correct word on the cuacus start time, right?
March 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've defended Greg, Eric and Josh, saying that just because I don't like the news doesn't make it wrong and they were trying to be non-partisan. I don't believe that anymore. Not reporting Hillary's praise of McCain over Obama and now this made me change my mind.
If Barack had said what Hillary said it would have been written up in CAPS and left to rot on the TPM homepage for a day.
'nuf said
March 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing I saw weird in the caucus itself was an Obama name crossed out and replaced it with Hillary.
March 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing I saw weird in the caucus itself was an Obama name crossed out and replaced it with Hillary.
March 4, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why anyone would think that Obama's supporters would not stop Clinton supporters is beyond me. If they will call and threaten people supporting Clinton what makes you think they won't keep them from the caucus tonight. Obama thought he was being sneaky about Rezko and calling Canada about NAFTA, but he has been caught on both. He is not above doing sneaky things to win . Obama does not impress me, I'm not moved by his pretty words of "hope" "change" and "yes we can" he sounds to much like bush did in 2000 and 2004 and look where Bush has us. In a War for one. I didn't vote for the War and I was against it from the start, so can I run for President. Clinton has been to the middle east six times and Obama has only been to Kenya once. If Clinton wins the primary and Obama wins the caucus it should be a equal split on the delegates. But Obama would die before he would let that happen. If Obama is the nominee I will vote for McCain or Nadar.
March 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I caucused in Austin earlier tonight, and I saw none of this. There were two precincts in the same school, and both groups had supporters on each side working together without problems. So, I'm doubtful about some of these claims.
March 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did the Clinton supporters try "pushing" the door open instead of "pulling" it?
March 4, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn.
Very dramatic, were you hoping for a Oscar nomination?
March 4, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watching one of Clinton supporters arguing that Obama was arguing that momentum counted after super tuesday, but is now arguing that pledged delegates count. Which is absolutely crazy and backwards. They've been talking about pledged delegates since Nevada. And of course Tweety didn't call her on it. Gotta love that MSM bias against the Clintons. Not!
March 4, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
As they say on (only slightly) less mature parts of the internet: pics or it didn't happen.
March 4, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton is blowing smoke up the MSM's collective ass as usual - trying hard to de-legitimize a likely Obama win in Texas. More classic Rovian - oops I mean Clintonian - tactics! It's so hard to keep those two straight these days.
March 4, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just got back from my precinct caucus with my kids at 9:45 pm. Texas and the Texas Democratic party was completely unprepared for the turnout tonight. Having caucuses directly after a primary is a horrible idea. Here's how my evening went. But I saw no nefarious stuff and doubt the reports. There's no way to know who anyone is supporting at the door anyway.
My precinct is a exurban/rural area about 10 miles NW of Waco that is maybe 75% Anglo, 20% Hispanic, 5% black. It's a mix of upscale subdivisions mixed in with farm land and pretty poor rural areas (double-wides etc.).
I stopped by my precinct around 5 pm to vote after picking up my oldest daughter from elementary school so she could vote with me. My precinct is the local middle school library and at 5 pm the line was going out the door. Maybe 40 people were in line. We waited about 1/2 hour to vote which was shocking. In the 5 years I've lived here I've never had a line at the polls. Inside they were using eight e-slate voting machines. The line was not due to the machines but the two old ladies signing people in who couldn't keep up. They said there were lines all day with only about a 10 minute break in late morning.
My wife had early-voted last week and she picked up the little ones on the way home from work. We got home around 6 and quickly fed the kids and turned back around to caucus at about 6:55 pm. We arrived back at the middle school and there were perhaps 200 people there and a long line down the street. It was 7:10 and there were still over 150 people waiting in line to vote. That's how high the turnout was here. Lots of working folks on the way home from work used to being able to slip in to vote at the last minute.
Since the caucuses depend on the final list of Democratic voters they had to wait until every single voter had voted before even thinking about getting the caucus started. Although the polls closed at 7 pm it was 7:45 until the last voter had voted and the precinct workers could start preparing the caucus lists. Then the wait really started.
The precinct workers had to go back through their voting lists and highlight every name of a person that had voted in the Democratic primary. They had one precinct roll book that was the official sign-in book for primary voting and were going through it line by line and highlighting the names of Democratic voters in a second book that was the caucus book. Since they hadn't been doing this during the day it was a tedious process with just two precinct workers and it took them until about 8:45 to get that task done. Meanwhile there were probably 150 Democrats waiting around in the middle school library to caucus. Finally around 9 pm they were ready to start and people could start signing in on the caucus lists with their name and preference. My wife was there as an Obama precinct captain and busy working the lists. I was keeping track of our 3 daughters ages 1, 4, and 9 who were busy trashing the library and highly restless because we hadn't brought milk or supplies, not expecting to wait that long. Other parents were there with young kids also unprepared for the wait and elderly with no place to sit. Lots of frustrated people. But no partisan games at all. Everyone was friendly and neighborly and keeping their preferences pretty much to themselves.
Finally at 9:20 pm I was able to sign in again for Obama and take off with the kids to put them to bed an hour after their bedtime.
In our precinct there were definitely more Clinton supporters than Obama. I'm guessing maybe 100 Clinton supporters to perhaps 60 for Obama. My wife will have the final numbers when she finally gets home tonight. Lots of old ladies voting en mass for Clinton and quite a few older professional and construction contractor-type Hispanics who were also going for Clinton. The younger crowd and white men were going for Obama.
In any event, I've concluded the idea of having both a caucus and primary on the same day is beyond stupid. When there is heavy turnout it just becomes a mess. I can't imagine how things must have been in the large urban precincts with heavy Democratic turnout. My precinct is perhaps 70% Republican.
Oh yeah.... the Republicans were also holding their caucus. About 20 of them showed up and were able to fit into a small computer lab inside the library. Some Ron Paul and Huckabee signs and buttons on some folks. They were completely overwhelmed by the Democrats in what is a heavily Republican area.
March 4, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just out of curiousity, because I really want to understand this, what is the purpose of having a caucus on top of a primary anyway? Why not one or the other?
March 5, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I live in El Paso County and have voted Democratic all my life. I never heard about caucuses until 2004, when I got involved in the presidential campaign. My first caucus was the Kerry coronation caucus. There were 4 of us (2 Dean, 1 Edwards, 1 Kerry) who showed up at the precinct at 7:00, we were home by 7:30.
Tonight was my second caucus (I was for Obama). About 200 people showed up this year. Our precinct chair died over the Christmas holidays and no one ran for office to replace him. The county chair has the option of appointing precinct chairs when there is a vacancy.
There were about 3 Obama campaign people there. I did not recognize them as being my neighbors or even locals. The meeting was called to order while voters were still outside voting (caucuses are not supposed to start before the last voter votes, and voters who are in line by 7 may vote).
The fellow who called the meeting to order was not a local, either, as far as I could tell. He was wearing a Hillary sticker. The crowd was mostly Hillary, but there was a sizable contingent of Obama supporters.
The precinct was an elementary school. The voting was going on in the foyer inside the front door; the caucus was going on in the school cafeteria. The entrance was clearly marked, the door was open.
I am not surprised that the campaigns would ensure they had "pros" stationed at our precinct, which is, technically, chairless. The "pros" basically ran the meeting, and cooperated with each other, and were basically cordial.
The Hillary guy who convened the meeting before the poll closed declared that he had conferred with the Obama folks and they had decided he would chair the meeting and an Obama person would act as secretary. The secretary counts the votes and does the math.
Everyone signed in, and it soon became apparent that the ratios were about 2:1, Hillary.
We selected delegates and went home. This process took about 1-1/2 hours due to the turnout.
Was the caucus conducted by the rules? No. Was it fair? Yes. Were the rules bent to permit people to go home at a reasonable hour? Most likely. Did anyone complain? Not really.
My main purpose for going was to ensure Obama got a fair shake in this heavily Hispanic border community. The caucus was conducted in a slightly unorthodox manner, but the departure from the rules was more for efficiency's sake than anyone trying to strongarm anyone. Neither side, nor the participants contested the fairness of the way it was conducted. And while the rules were bent, no one was treated unfairly. Of course, under Texas rules, the caucus results do not have to be turned in tonight. The custodian of the caucus packet is not obliged to turn it in for a few days.
I was anxious to get home to see election returns. Upon returning home, it quickly became apparent that our local party has been overwhelmed and is totally ill equipped to deal with the turnout this race has generated. Lord only knows what's going on with the state party in Austin.
Our precinct was unique in that we actually selected our delegates and adjourned our meeting. There are some going on now as I type.
Thing is, Texas has been so irrelevant to Democratic primary politics for so long, we've gotten soft, and tonight was a wake-up call.
March 4, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post.
March 5, 2008 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The training materials instructed Hillary's supporters to get their earlier than usual and take control of the executive positions.
How do you expect them to actually do this? Stand in front of the doors and politely ask Obama caucus goers to go away until all the Clinton people have been let in?
March 5, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could we talk about how these kind of tactics are why the Texas two-step is really undemocratic?
Can anyone give a solid argument as to why one person, one vote isn't good enough?
March 5, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like Hillary's campaign is desperate to spin Obama's huge lead in delegates.
It's also pretty sicken Josh Marshall and other pundits basically tolerate and endorse this sort of sleaze by saying all's fair in politics. Actually, no, it's thier job to report on these tactics and find out if they're sleazy.
Not merely "report" them like so many stenographers.
Way to emulate the MSM Josh!
March 5, 2008 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who voted both in the early primary and in the caucus here in Texas, I can tell what I saw with my own two eyes. At the caucus location tonight all the volunteers working there were wearing Obama tshirts and/or buttons. There were about 200 of us standing outside of the post office waiting our turn. At one point we were told that if we had an actual voter registration card that was stamped (proving we already voted in the primary) we entered one line. Everyone else stayed in another line. On the ballot we filled out, we were to write down our name, signature, address, voter ID number, and candidate choice. Not at any point did anyone ask to see my card or check ID. I actually spoke to several Obama supporters in line who openly stated that they hadn't voted in the primary and I saw them voting in the caucus without anyone asking for ID.
It was reported by many people, including my own mother, that calls were being made by Obama supporters, reminding people to go out and vote for Obama. When my mother told the caller that she had already voted for Clinton and would be returning to the polling station at 7pm to caucus, she was told by the caller that "the rules had been changed slightly in order to deal with the huge turnout" The caller told my mother that she could go to the polling station at that time (it was 3:30 pm mind you) and just sign a piece of paper and go home....that she wouldn't need to return at 7pm. I started looking online at the local news and found people all over Texas, particularly south and west Texas, were receiving the same phone call.
So, for those of you calling the Clinton campaign sleazy, cheating, underhanded, blah, blah, blah......what do you say to my experience? Please keep in mind, I'm not getting my information from a pundit or a blog. This is what I saw and heard as a Clinton voter here in Austin, Texas.
March 5, 2008 4:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some questions for you, blueaugust......in response to your sentence, "what do you say to my experience?"
What precinct # was your precinct?
Did you know them or, if not, trouble yourself to get the names of the purported Obama supporters who were 'openly' saying they were caucusing without voting earlier?
Did you raise that issue [caucusing without earlier voting] or the issue of ID's not being checked in a timely way, i.e., during the caucus?
Did you take your mom to caucus with you?
What online local news sites reported those 'same phone calls'? I ask this because you stated you did not get your information from 'a pundit or a blog'.
March 5, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Back to the matter of the Clinton folk calling the reporters rather than the election officials with this matter.......
The Chicago Tribune reporter on the conference call asked what the Clinton camp had done in alerting the TX election officials and what had come of that.
The Clinton camp response was that they couldn't get to those officials yet because all the phone lines were busy.
When I awoke this morning, it just popped into my head that something was contradictory about the Clinton camp answer/position about 'swamped phone lines', inasmuch as one of the Clinton camp allegations fed to reporters on the call was that 'some Obama caucus heads were calling in results even before 7pm'.
I realize that the phone lines used for calling in results would be different than phone lines used as hot lines; however, this brings up some new questions:
1] If the system was swamped, how did the Clinton folks determine the basis for their charge about too early calling in of results?
2] If hot lines were swamped, but results lines were open, why didn't the Clinton camp try to make contact with officialdom via those open lines or other avenues?
3] Was this a p.r. ploy for a media story after all, sort of like Bill Clinton's personal anecdotal assertions about foul play in Nevada, assertions which were then not substantiated or followed up?
March 5, 2008 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a friggin debacle.
I only wish that someone last night on CNN or MSNBC would bring up "electability". I never heard it. Not one time. Not one time did anyone point to polls that show BO beating McCain in states where HRC is losing (see WI and Iowa). And although she won CA, I don't see that state swinging GOP anytime soon. Ohio is very important to the Dems, same with FL and PA...like 2000 and 2004. But for to watch HRC run off all these crucial states she's won, and not hear any counterpoints to her true "electability" was disheartening.
March 5, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
In response to GJH's query above, a long-time Democratic party activist admitted to me in 2004 that the Texas delegate rules rules had been set up specifically to give party insiders and activists the advantage. Think back to the LBJ/Bentsen/Jim Wright era.
There has been a grass roots movement building here since 2000. Barbarians have been knocking at the gate trying to change the rules and some progress is being made.
An Obama victory in the national primary, I think, will facilitate that progress. A Clinton victory in the national primary will set it back, IMO, because the people running the party now have ties to the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe, et al.
And it would be a shame to continue to disenfranchise and discourage good Democratic party voters in this state, because the numbers last night show we can beat the Republicans here and turn Texas blue again. The McAuliffe wing of the DNC and the local party just doesn't see it that way.
March 5, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink