And the post about how much better Obama performs in Colorado than Clinton is...where?

"Much poorer" in Ohio? Can you read at all, Eric?

That award for Prosecutorgate must have gone to the TPM staff's head- it's been all downhill around here since then.

Kentucky?

Also, since we're posting polls from SUSA and Gallup, I guess it's about time to post that Rasmussen that people have been talking about today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/two-questions-for-senator_b_92386.html

This is just for information only. Just so you know the Clinton campaign is trying to keep this Wright flap going.... Don't respond or comment, just make note of it.

after 2 weeks of fabricated controversy, the subject of that controversy takes a hit in the polls. tell us more, o' Great and Prescient One.

that the controversy involved the subject being painted as "the Black candidate" results in a hit in white voter support is an astounding development i'm SURE nobody saw coming. what a blindside. let me pick myself up off the floor, i fell out of my chair in shock.

it's too bad there's not 6 months to go until the General Election and that the Democratic party has already chosen a nominee to rally around and support, or he might have a chance of turning these numbers around.

Yeah!! this is GRrrrreat!

Hillary is movin on up!!

Obama man is movin on down.....
sorry Obama supporters. Tell you god, he needs to go ahead and step down, for the good of the party.

Don't give much credence to these. You might as well be polling "How well would Obama do with Rev. Wright as his VP nominee against McCain?"

Obama wins the nomination, both he and McCain announce VP picks, and then perhaps the polls will give us some credible insight.

SurvayUSA is one of the BEST most Accurate polls out there too!

The polls right now are completely skewed by the Wright remarks.

The first thing we need to do is wait until the effect of his speech yesterday gets boiled into the numbers.

Next, it is only mid March. An eternity in politics.

Come the conventions we get the glowing re-introductions of the candidates to the public, the tear-jerker videobiographies of them and we start the game ALL OVER.

These polls were taken at the height of the Wright controversy in states that it would resonate in. Not surprising at all.

If the polls still show the same thing in a month, then I will be more concerned.

New Rassmussen Poll:

Obama Increases Lead Over Clinton 47-42

Hillary Points Memo is firing all its guns today, I tell ya.

Hill's going down, boys. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!

According to ABC - Hillary's schedules:

Hillary Clinton spent the night in the White House on the day her husband had oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, and may have actually been there when it happened, according to records of her schedule released today by the National Archives.

We knew this was coming .....now it's Hillary's TURN to answer questions -- where was she and why did she stay knowing THIS?

I think it's getting to a point where Obama really needs to start thinking of stepping down for the good of the party.

Just my .02

Wow. Quite a few Obama supporters are losing it.

Every amateur misstep of Obama's campaign is answered by his supporters with an attack on Clinton. As if she controls the weather and everything else.

Obama can only blame himself for "Rev." Wright. It must be said, to her credit, she hasn't cut an ad with that lunatic in it! And you know she knew about it from day one.

What you have are Obama supporters unable to make an argument for their candidate, so they attack others as "odious" and as "trolls."

Get used to politics, people! Just because Obama says it is, doesn't make it so. There's no such thing as contention-free politcs.

The Ohio numbers are a concern, Missouris a bit of a surprise. Kentucky? Home of Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning? Not so much.

It looks like the damage done by HRC's intraparty cannibalism about NAFTA lingers. Pity she didn't have the integrity to lose with grace and honesty.

(Seriously: MyDD?)

With the economy crashing Americans will come to their senses and vote for change coming in November. These recent polls reflect the recent attacks by Hillary, her friends at fox, and that fat pig Linbaugh. Hopefully, Obama will recover. Should Americans get distracted, and vote for the status quo, myself and family will prolong our permanence here in France.

Oh Eric, the Holy Poll Master - Now we are reduced to linking MyDD. Too lazy to link to actual SUSA. Way to go man. Seriously..

Eric -

Your first polls were full of shit, so now you're desperate, eh?

Seriously, what is going on with TPM? I thought this place was supposed to be a haven against this kind of yellow journalism.

and dont forget this poll was taken before the full out republican attack machine. when obama gets the nomination how many democratic house and senate seats is obama going to take down with him?

Such polls mean nothing, period.

In May 1988, in the run-up to the general election, Michael Dukakis was on the top of the world, with a 49% - 39% advantage over George Bush, Sr. according to the New York Times. He went on to lose by 8%.

Why? Because, his party chose safe, boring Dukakis over talented young Al Gore.

Obama's already WON the nomination with more popular votes, more elected deletes (by 157) and by total delegate count and by 30 out of 44 states won.

Experts say there is no way she could win now...without cheating and going against the DELEGATE count being the RULE.

Unless Hillary STEALS the election like Bush did in 2000 - Obama will be our next President -

My suggestion would be for both John McCain and Hillary Clinton to buy the nicest paper they can find, and print out a copy of these polls. Then they can go together to staples, get them laminated. From there they can take a short trip to the "Things Remembered" store at the mall and each pick up a frame that has "Ahh.. The Good Old Days" on it, and put their laminated copy of these polls in it. Then when this race is over they will have some happy times to look back on.
They can even, at some point in the next few years, bring their framed memories to the white house to visit Barack Obama and say, "remember this".......and everyone would laugh (in a friendly sense).

Experts say there is no way she could win now...without cheating and going against the DELEGATE count being the RULE.

Nope, actually the rule is they can vote however, and whoever they want. Are these experts at MSNBC and Dkos? And when he has 2-3 scandals he seems to always be juggling, I don't know I would have a hard time sending into 527 heaven. Step aside with grace.

"Via MyDD"

It would be appropriate to just put that at the top of the page, next to the Election Central logo.

It was a mistake for Obama to give that speech yesterday. Instead of taking care of a political problem he started a big "national conversation on race" that nobody asked for. Now he owns it. It's the economy, stupid.

yellow journalism? they've been in the tank for obama for months now. they overlooked many problems already that cost other candidates their campaigns in years past.
josh already claimed hillary put out the piece of video on fox with wright in it...and that is unsubstantiated. but he did it because he's as frustrated as the next obamaniac.

and to you clowns who assert hillary is mathematically eliminated from this nomination, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON?

How many times have we put the last nail in the political career of a CLINTON?

We learned one thing today....Hillary will run better vs McCain than Obama will. And MCCAIN won't slow-peddle the Wright ordeal , like Hillary had to...and the media will still blame Hillary for Obamas relationship with Wright (josh did)

This is a circular argument. If Clinton is successful, she'll be the nominee and won't have to worry about whether is damaged goods, will she?

its hard to take seriously these commenters who claim Hillary winning would be cheating...cuz rules are rules. And she's following them. You maniacs who are asserting the suerdelegates have to vote for Obama and CANNOT vote for Hillary...are fucking insane.

You sound like Republicans I've know all my life now.

It's just much too easy, in the day-to-day (and, on the Internets, minute-by-minute) goings on of a campaign, to lose perspective.

Yes, Obama had a tough couple of days. After those stupid sound bites of Wright aired how many hundreds of times, it was probably inevitable that his polling numbers would go down.

I'm willing to bet that after yesterday, they will bounce back to where they were before, or even higher. Maybe my faith in the American people -- or in their ability to make the right judgment even when the news media that is their source of information fails them -- is higher than it should be, but we'll see.

Regardless, why can't we take the long view Obama did in his speech yesterday, chill out a little bit and give this more time. It's still over a month to Pennsylvania, 10 weeks or so until the last primary, five months or more until the Convention and seven and a half months until the general election.

The racists in the GOP, as well as in Clinton's base of support, have done quite well of late. With the help of the MSM, of course.

No worries, however. This will pass and the numbers in these states will tick up again. The MSM hasn't concentrated on Hillary in well over a month, so once they do, she'll tick back down.

And let's be honest, she can't win the general b/c she's pissed off African Americans and quite a few whites the past 2 months. The party isn't stupid enough to have her on top of the ticket.

After seeing todays polling, I, for the first time since Obama pulled off the 11 consecutive victories, feel like Hillary's plan of tearing Obama down could actually succeed.

If she had gotten out the race after Wisconsin, which is what she should of done, the Ohio primary would have been a Obama-love-affirming event. Bill and Hillary could have even trumped around the state and shored up the support of white working class voters on his behalf.

I think in the last week we've gotten a bit of a taste of what it might feel like if Obama is actually "brought down".

The media as well as the big left wing bloggers like Kevin Drum, Atrios, and Josh have not publicly speculated much, if at all, on what exactly that is going to feel like.

Personally, I think if this happens, it's going to be A LOT more cataclysmic than any of the talking heads seem to be acknowledging. The amount of hurt, anger, betrayal, disgust by 30 - 40 percent of the party is going to not just be painfully intense. IT'S GOING TO BE IRREVERSIBLE

The democratic party will be ripped in two. Not in half, I'm sure %70 of its constituency will stick around, although many of them begrudgingly.

BUT, mark my words, 1/4 will leave.

IT WILL BE THE END OF THE 2 PARTY SYSTEM AS WE KNOW IT.

So you see, there really is a silver lining in all this.

100 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON

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Ever get the feeling you're in a car, headed for the edge of a cliff with the pedal to the floor and all anyone wants to do is talk about how cushy the upholstery is and how pretty the motor sounds?

A Modest Proposal:

Time to conduct a search for a unity candidate that can be a living symbol of racial and gender reconciliation. Some one who black, brown, and white, male and female can support.

Time to find a candidate who happens to be a freckle skinned hermaphrodite.

That person should be able to unify the country.

Ladies and Gentlemen; Start your search engines!.

Unfortunately, the only way Obama is going to reverse this trend is to attack Hillary relentlessly. He's got to put the focus on her and get her on the defensive. I don't see that happening, however. He just doesn't seem to be inclined to play the game that way. Too bad. While I admire him for it, staying positive and on message is no way to win a race against the Clintons or the Republicans.

That, too, will come to pass.

I NEVER figured on Obama winning Kentucky anyway. As for Ohio, he'll take it as the Democratic nominee.

http://OsiSpeaks.com

McCain is going to look good for a few months, but once the Dem nomination is decided the Iraq war, the economy, and the simple fact of his GOP affiliation are going to hit him between the eyes like a sledge hammer.
Once the full national light is turned on McCain he's going to look like an aging man with a dinosaur understanding of the world and America's place in it.

Obama can't win without superdelegates voting for him.

But what superdelegate is going to want to have on his record a vote for a nominee who, because of a problem entirely of his own making, in the person of Jeremiah Wright, manages to pull defeat from the jaws of victory in 2008?

And what do these polls suggest other than an historic rout if Obama becomes the nominee?

Can you even begin to imagine the recriminations and loss of clout that would come in the train of such an outcome? Imagine the implications if down ticket Democrats are damaged across the board in red and purple states because they are associated, through the Democratic nominee, with the America-hating and racism of Jeremiah Wright. After all the efforts to find Democrats, such as Jim Webb, who counter the perception that Democrats are unpatriotic, what would it say if Democrats choose a nominee whose association with the very worst of the radical left could not be more intimate?

The superdelegates have to worry about the "math" alright -- the math of an electoral rout if the Democratic nominee becomes our worst nightmare, someone who can readily be depicted as in bed with a radical, unpatriotic, America-hating left.

Been where when it happened? And WTF does this have to do with anything? Is she unqualified because she wasn't spying on her husband? Or are you saying something even more grotesque?

Sheesh.

This kind of poll is bewildering, because it's impossible to know what the people who prefer Hillary are saying in answer to the question, Would you prefer Obama or McCain. The converse (or some such) is true. Will someone please check my reasoning here?

The rural parts of Missouri are tough for Democrats and have been for some time. McCaskill proved that you just have to get the best numbers you can in the rural and small town areas. The Dems win with the metro areas around Kansas City, St Louis, and the college towns.

Missouri would be a climb for Obama or Clinton. It's not impossible but it would take a lot of work for a Dem win here. It won't be done with media buys.

Gee, they don't like your candidate and they don't drink latte I guess a good method of winning them over is to call them names.

I live in a state where the policy preferences of many of the voters are well to the right of my own and know that you have to conduct political campaigns to account for this.

Hey, what happened to Sinbad? I miss him.

Polls are generally meaningless at this point. I say generally because I think there is some value in comparing the results of current general election polls to what has actually occurred historically between democrats and republicans in a given state -- typically it takes an extraordinary event to result in red state switching to blue in one election cycle for example.

What is clear today is that the Rev. Wright fiasco and his response to it have taken a toll on Obama, and in my opinion, will continue to do so. He's irreparably damaged goods. The euphoria over the speech, mostly by Obamaphiles will die down soon (may already have) and the tough questions for Obama will begin -- why the inconsistencies between the weekend interviews everywhere and the speech? What does this say about your judgment? How can you claim to be a different kind of politician when you waited so long to address the views of Rev. Wright? What’s the difference between Rev. Wright and Don Imus? Who are you, really?

Time for Obama to do the right thing for the democratic party and step aside and allow Hillary Clinton, the only democratic candidate who can beat John McCain in November, to claim the party’s nomination. At this point, I can’t even see the VP in Obama’s future -- irreparably damaged.

Obama has to do it for the good of the party.

I mentioned in another thread about Hillary astroturfers all using nicknames that sound like Compuserve or AOL names circa 1998. See above.

To anneeliz,

Don't waste your time trying to figure out and "out" so-called astroturfers. Just continue to say what you believe and let the rest of it go.

As for my two cent's worth: This "Hillary is destroying the party" business carries its own baggage. You are feeding the MSM just what they want.

Look at it this way, there was a day when the conventions actually meant something. There was a time when nobody knew until the votes started coming in on convention night who would be the nominee. There was actually tension as the representative stood up and said, "The great state of Ohio casts it 162 votes for the next president of the United States of America ....". Now, unfortunately, the convention is just a party.

Do get a grip folks, McCain will still be McCain after Denver and the only thing that can destroy our party is the unending wailing by us of impending destruction. We all should be putting out to the MSM how amazing it is to have such a heated race between two such accomplished and capable candidates and how we will all come together after the convention. And, just think, this could be a return to honest to goodness conventions. Great spin for the media idiots. After all, it's all about spin.

To next year in the White House.

Oops - just saw the new NYT poll. Obama is leading in that one too.

I'm definitely dropping my support for him.

Jorge, I'm with you. Poor loser just thought that giving speeches compared to Lincoln's, setting records for fund-raising from small donors, bringing out record numbers of new voters, oh, and winning the most states, popular vote, and delegates would make him electable. Too bad the Clintons know better.

Obama's Philadelphia speech calls for just reason and princple.

If democrats vote against Obama in the remaining primaries on the basis of the Wright controversy or if the superdelegates elect Hillary to avoid "race" controversy-I hope and fully expect to see the black community to seek or vote for a third-party candidate in the General.

I really do.

It's not like the democratic party made any significant difference to the community anyway.

May be the last eight years are not enough to make us serious about what's at stake this election? Otherwise the charade of the last week would never take center stage.

If Hillary runs on issues fine. But it's clear the "Blacks" versus "whites" campaign is in force since the OH debate and now it has potential to consume the democratic primaries. If that's the case I hope and expect for democratic party to fall apart.

I don't think many "latte drinking" Obama supporter will stand behind a party with no convictions.

As we go one Clinton will win PA....Edwards will side with Clinton and see wins NC.....cards start to fall and we hit a deadlock. We enter the Convention with Obama not being on top of the ticket because of the Wright issue and the Rezko trial smell. Clinton will save him and put him on the bottom of the ticket and he will take it.

Clinton/Obama 08