Spitzer Prostitution Story Temporarily Stops Media Coverage Of Prez Race
By now you've heard that New York Governor Eliot Spitzer has been fingered for his involvement with a prostitution ring, according to The New York Times.
It's worth pointing out that this will prevent Obama's aggressive speech today pushing back on the Clintons' veep chatter from dominating the news, which it surely would have otherwise.
Both MSNBC and CNN were running big with Obama's speech, but they abruptly cut away to Spitzer, and all the news coverage will be relentlessly focused on him for who knows how long. Indeed, the Spitzer story will temporarily freeze the presidential race.
Spitzer is a high-profile Hillary supporter, and as Senator from his home state, she'll be expected to weigh in on what his fate should be.





Comments (86)
The story will run on nightly news, and the cables tonight. Either way, Obama is a lucky guy.
March 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
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March 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh oh! Closing tag failure! Maybe this will help:
March 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, you've got an open tag somewhere. Everything looks like I darnk too much of the Kool Atide.
March 10, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is why i don't think it was smart to wait to hit back against the Clinton crap.
March 10, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
close the italics mode.
March 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
So will it hurt Clinton - because Spitzer is a high profile supporter? And/or, by reminding folks of Bill's shenanigans?
Or will it help her - by making people even more suspicious of supposedly progressive men who can't keep their pants zipped up?
Or does it all just vanish into the ether if he guts it out. Like David Vitter.
March 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Progressives cannot possibly catch up with the insurmountable lead in medals held by conservative politicians and clergymen in the zippergate olympics.
March 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is not lucky. He just got drowned out by Spitzer.
March 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Left side of Hillary's mouth:
"Obama is unqualified to be President."
Right side of Hillary's mouth:
"Obama would make a great VP"... a job which requires above all else that the candidate be qualified to be president.
That we need the media involved at all is just sad. You'd think the American people would be able to use their own brain power to notice that Hillary Clinton is a double talking hypocrit.
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
A major Hillary supporter turns out to so mindbogglingly hypocritical that it borders on pathology? Wow. Whodathunkit.
March 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
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March 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Help me out here... is he a Democrat or Republican?
Had he endorsed anyone in the Presidential race?
March 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This puts Senator Clinton in a tight spot.
The fact that it's prostitution will force her to publicly address misogyny in one way or another.
No matter how she addresses the situation, it will bring exposure to President Clinton's indiscretions and the choices HRC made in response.
This will not be easy to finesse.
March 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
and questions may come about what money Gov. Spitzer raised for Hillary Clinton, and where that money came from, perhaps the other clients involved in the prostitution scandal.
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is good news for HRC I think.
Spitzer is involved with prostitution. Bill was not, at least it never was charged. So only the psychos will try to compare the situations.
Most importantly HRC was trying to back pedal from her idiocy about Obama and the CinC test and Obama was trying mockery to push back.
Having begun Obama will now have to try and revive the counter attack in a day or two or let it settle out.
That is after Mississippi and another new narrative will have begun.
The flies in the ointment are the quite good odds that HRC or a surrogate will again step in it with a new stupidity.
Obama always has that advantage.
March 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is an indiscretion bought with cash different than an indiscretion bought with power?
March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No officer, I did not pay that woman for sex, she was just so impressed by the amount of money I was willing to leave on the table that she offered to have sex with me."
March 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you're right. Maybe they are different.
But if they are, I'd say Gov. Spitzer comes out ahead in that insane moral continuum. The woman he allegedly solicited likely had no illusions about the situation. She was offering a service in exchange for generous compensation and all expenses paid.
By comparison, the worlds most famous intern was manipulated by President Clinton for the sole purpose inflating his already turgid ego. He knew she worshiped him, and he had her blow him while he was on the phone. A lot.
Please pardon my language, but that's a fucking cowardly, despicable, and nearly unforgivable thing for a FATHER, HUSBAND, MENTOR, and a LEADER to do.
March 10, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe that any consensual sexual act between adults, and "adult" assumes relatively sanity, should be illegal or any of my business. Period.
Criminalizing consensual adult sex should frighten any progressive.
Lots of my friends do sexual things (or at least lie about doing them) that I would find personally repugnant. God knows I've done things that my family and at least some friends would be appalled by.
My personal disapproval does not make it OK for me to pass moral judgments about so private an issue.
Now I do think it fair to fault Bill or Elliot for what seems their amazing level of careless stupidity. In Bill's case he at least never attempted to persecute other philanderers.
And what does a woman do for $5000 a pop?
But everyone lies about sex at some point.
Should we destroy the lives of every man or woman who ever cheated on their partner?
How does that advance humane values?
March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
for $5,500 an hour, can someone please tell me what those women will be doing to you? there not even that hot
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March 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if Hillary is going to "denounce or reject" the New York governor?
March 10, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd guess "no". Hypocrits generally don't hold themselves to the same standards they hold others.
March 10, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The lieutenant gov would be assigned Spitzer's post. I don't know the fellow, but I guess he would be clinton supporter.
March 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If and when HRC is asked to reject or denounce this, her reply will undoubtedly be scrutinized and parsed against the standards set by none other than her husband, WJC.
March 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is fine news for Obama:
1) Definitely ends the week of bad news for him.
2) The VP thing will still get covered. Then Obama will win Mississippi and that'll be the news Wednesday.
I am one of those who panicked over last week, and I feel fine about things now.
March 10, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
And it's even worse for Clinton. She lost a superdelegate in Eliot Spitzer.
March 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This can't be good news of Clinton (optically). And while it may push Obama off the lede, I suspect he'll be making this argument quite a bit over the next few days. And frankly, anything that reminds the folks of the degrees of scandal that seems to plague the Clintons and their supporters, can't hurt either.
March 10, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect timing huh? You have to wonder who'd behind this UPSET coming out at this time. Was it fox news helping Hillary because they want her in the General? Was it Hillary's team, to stop the media from talking about Obama's response to her comments?
Timing is everything folks and this one sure is suspicious.
March 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
we are war-rooming this in real time. unbelievable day.
Greg, thank you for your note of empathy. I guess it's just time to sit back and ride the roller-coaster.
Josh seemed to agree a few minutes ago over on TPM with my guess that Spitzer will resign. So, not only will he not be a super-delegate, he will probably fuck up the NY state Senate elections which were on the brink of taking back the state Senate for the Dems.
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The polls are going back to the pre-March 4 status quo already. Then comes Tuesday's big win. Obama's remarks will still get covered locally in MS, and it's certainly something Obama can repeat once Spitzer-gate dies down.
I assume that NY has a Dem LG - is he/she a strong politician that can right the Democratic ship there?
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Patterson is a great Lieutenant Governor, and he's also blind and black. He would be the first blind governor of New York.
March 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.ny.gov/ltgov/index.html
Short Patterson write up here.
March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps it will bring back MEMORIES of Bill's Impeachment and why IT happened?
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
What an idiot. It doesn't bother me about the prostitution thing. What bothers me is that he is so stupid that he would (1) do it and (2) get caught. For pete's sake, he was a gd federal prosecutor. What a buffoon.
Maybe the plan is that the clintons gracefully bail out and she takes over as governor of NY. I'm sure mr. bill has alot of numbers so that he won't get caught.
What a gd idiot!!!!!!
March 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, everyone will find hankypanky with some hookers to be more outrageous than hankypanky with lobbyists.
March 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spitzer obviously isn't maverick enough to get away with that with the press.
March 10, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
AND...Hillary loses another superdelegate when Spitzer resigns. The Lt. Gov (Paterson) had already endorsed as a DNC superdelegate. So his ascendancy doesn't impact the numbers.
March 10, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another thing on the plus side is that this is a net swing of 3 supers for Obama, he gained 2 (1 from MS and 1 from NC) and now Hillary lost 1 - unless Spitzer keeps his delegate status.
March 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It might actually be interesting for once to hear Hillary's take on this. She's run such an overtly, "You Go Girl" campaign that I wonder how she plays this with some of her more ardent supporters. Especially considering her history with Bill, and her own personal actions involving whistle-blowers like Gennifer Flowers and several others in the Clinton's past.
She might not want to touch this one with a 12 foot pole.
March 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Following her Republican rulebook, she can do as the Whitehouse did during Plamegate and refuse comment during an "ongoing investigation."
March 10, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's okay for Obama, he can keep hitting her over the VP crap, and at the same time she probably loses a superdelegate and is in the position of "denouncing and rejecting" one of her supporters. I'm loving it.
March 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will Hillary reject, denounce, or take the 3AM call?
March 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Feds intercepted instant messages of a prominent politician in this age of spying on citizens does reek to high heaven. There is absolutely zero e-privacy in this country under the Bushies.
March 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
A man like Spitzer must have scads of powerful and vindictive enemies. So far we have a rumor of an admission of being involved. What does that mean? Is he a client or did he decline to prosecute someone? I'd really like to hear something definitive before we write Spitzer's obituary.
March 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reuters is already reporting that he's set to resign.
Actually, they're picking up a Fox News unsourced article, so there may be cause to hold of on the autopsy, but all signs indicate this is probably a done deal.
Bummer. This is going to throw havoc on the NY State races. Two days ago, the NY GOP was down and out, and ready to cry uncle. Now, who knows?
March 10, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bad news for Obama? That's a joke, right?
This is bad news for Hillary. Governor of her state, supporter of hers, one of her superdelegates going down in a dirty sex scandal. In the past seven days, Hillary's headlines will have included the word "monster," a sex scandal, and essential contradictions in her own campaign messaging (Obama not ready on day one but good choice for VP). This is like a trip down memory lane with the Clintons in the 90s!
I think Obama's bad run has just officially ended.
March 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, ObamaBorg, this really isn't about either Hillary or Obama.
No one's going to make that connection instead of you.
I suspect that the story will mostly drown out Obama's Mississippi win tommorrow as well, which is 100% predictable, and so not exactly news anyway.
March 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
For once I agree with you to the extent that this story has nothing to do with clinton. Its bad for dems in general, but it directly has zippo to do with her.
Spitzer is a complete IDIOT!!!! It really pisses me off. He should resign immediately and shut the story down now.
March 10, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll agree that this isn't about either presidential candidate. But you've got to be down right FOOLISH to believe that Clinton's name won't come up in this. Optically, it's not good for her to have another supporter involved with a scandal. Just this year alone you've had Hsu, I forget the guys name who just made the film about American Jews selling Muslim body parts, and now Spitzer.
I'd agree with you if this was an old story, but it's current. And it reminds folks that wherever there's a Clinton, a scandal is sure to follow.
March 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that the story isn't about either Obama or Clinton, but if you think that the press will let a sex scandal story involving one of her close supporters pass without comment from a Clinton running for the White House, you're fooling yourself.
Obama's Mississippi win will have the same impact that his undercovered Wyoming win did. Simply add to the subconscious narrative of Democratic voters that Obama is in fact winning this nomination, and he's doing so across the entire country, not just in a few "key" states. Notice he's back up in the Gallup national polls. He's winning, and people recognize this, despite Clinton's rhetoric about Obama becoming her VP.
March 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
ohio was predictable, but somehow was news anyway.
March 10, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ohio is
1. 3 times as large as MS
2. a genuine swing state that has in the past been the difference between a losing and winning campaign for President (remember 2004 and John Kerry? -- well, silly me, of course you don't when you're wearing your funny Obama hat), instead of a state that will certainly go Republican
I'm thinking that has something to do with the difference in newsworthiness.
March 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ohio is
1. Polling consistently for both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in head to head matchups against John McCain.
2. End of story.
All this nonsense from Clinton supporters that the states that she wins are states that Obama will lose is just that. Pure nonsense. Obama can and will win his share of swing states, unless Clinton deliberately decides to throw her voters over to McCain, which she's shown signs of doing of late. That would go a very long way to showing just what type of person she truly is if you still were in any doubt.
There's a great General election rundown over at Kos right now detailing the states that both Obama and Clinton will need to focus on to win in November. Basically, it showed what everyone here has been saying; that Obama puts way more states in play against McCain, forcing him to spend resources defending areas of the country he would rather not. It also showed that Clinton would be need to sweep the big three swing states against McCain in order to win, which was a position that not even Gore or Kerry had been in. And they both lost.
Do the math, Obama is both more electable in the fall, and well ahead in the nomination process right now. We are simply hurting ourselves by bickering about it.
March 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really don't like reality much do you?
Look, all of the "surveys" backing up your reasoning have one fatal flaw: they rely on polls at this stage of the game, far, far before the right wing has had an opportunity to take all its licks on Obama (or Hillary for that matter).
Once upon a time, in, I believe, the June before the election, Michael Dukakis was up by 17 points in a national poll. I have no doubt whatsoever that a "survey" across the states would have shown him to be an impressive candidate, racking up wins in state after state.
Problem is, that wasn't where things ended. He was "defined" at will by the right wing, and he wound up losing in a landslide.
So don't quote meaningless numbers at us, OK? The numbers every sensible person pays attention to are election numbers, and exit polls.
And the real problem for Obama is that exit polls confirmed what many analysts already believed: that Obama had a major problem with so-called Reagan/Bush Democrats, who would vote for Hillary over McCain, but would vote for McCain over Hillary.
March 10, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama had a major problem with so-called Reagan/Bush Democrats, who would vote for Hillary over McCain, but would vote for McCain over Hillary."
Huh? Excuse me, I know I'm just a poor dumb Kool-Aid drinker for Obama, but your analysis seems to be dribbling down your chin.
March 10, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the petty name calling.
Obama's wins are automatically drowned out, and then we get to sit through a bunch of nonesense about how pro-Obama the media are.
If the media were pro-Obama, they would have been capable of calling out Hillary's hypocisy on the VP thing without a speech from Obama. Of course the same would hold true for objective or competent media.
March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, can you ever make a comment without attempting to personally insult people you don't agree with? Your point would have still been valid (although I would have still disputed it) if you had left off "ObamaBorg". And you may have had a chance of convincing people here of your sincere intentions. The insults make you look weak and petty, and they surely don't reflect well on your candidate.
On second thought, far be it from me to tell you how to best represent your candidate of choice. Flame away, sir.
March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you still vote as a superdelegate if you've been indicted? Does this mean that Hillary loses a vote?
March 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lt. Gov. David Paterson seems to be a reluctant Clinton supporter......it would be interesting if he took over a Governor and switched over to Obama ;))
March 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reluctant? He was standing right behind Clinton the night of the Iowa caucuses. Right next to Madeline Albright.
March 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't resign?
March 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is really unfortunate that this is taking the limelight away from
Obama's excellent push back today. But as stated above, he needs to keep repeating it for the next week, and eventually it will get
reported, but not with nearly the impact that it would have had today.
It's really a shame about Spitzer. I wonder too, how could he be so stupid? It's more than unfortunate that press will always report on politicians having illicit sex, but rarely get so worked up about all of the horrible things that the current president has done. After all, Spitzer's actions only impacted negatively on him and his family. But the lies, deceit, and war mongering of Bush & Co. have impacted negatively on the entire nation.
March 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think a coverage stop helps Obama more then Clinton. Hillary had been playing the Media like a Fiddle, and now her instrument is on hiatus. Meanwhile Obama can connected with local people and local media. Hillary has nowhere to broadcast her negative attacks.
Hopefully Obama can still get the message out about not wanting to be Hillary's VP.
March 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
hadn't thought of it that way. I hope you're right.
March 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thinks the choice here is to either reject or denounce Spitzer. To do both will usually cost you extra.
March 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, in the short run, it probably will benefit Obama because of the governor's link with Hillary, but I am afraid that in the long run it willhurt all democrats, that so far were claiming the moral high ground. However, the guy apparently is gonna resign quickly, which when you compare it with Vitter...
March 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if we'll hear about some OTHER names of polititians living in New York, mainly HC or BC?
March 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say throw him under the bus for being a moron. Resign NOW!!!!
March 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
One good sign (in respect to internet news mavens like myself, that is) is that the Obama story is still listed as "Top Story" on the Google News page, right behind the stories on Spitzer and the deaths in Baghdad.
March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I ask again. He didn't resign? Bizarre.
March 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone should tkae a deep breath. We have 6 weeks or more until PA.
Mississippi will be tomorrow and he'll win that.
Obama can just do it again in a few days.
There's nothing to prevent him to repeat it.
March 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more thing, newscycles are quick.
Spitzer will be forgotten in a few days. Just like Vicki Iseman.
Remember her? Say, where did she go anyway?
March 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And don't forget, this is a NY story. The rest of the country could probably care less. However, I continue to believe there are associations that are more likely to bedevil Hillary (if anyone at all).
March 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he can use this as a "corrupt NY establishment" thing.
NY pols are all lemming lapdogs for the Clintons.
Paint them all as corrupt.
Tie them to Hillary.
March 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm...illicit sex outside one's marriage. Something the Clintons know a thing or twenty about. If Obama had Hillary's classlessness, he'd be holding a conference call right now using this as a reminder of all of Bill's philandering ways in the 1990s and trying to nail Hillary with the behavior of one of her supporters.
See, America? Do you really want four more years of this kind of drama? Sex scandals? Semen stained dresses? Independent investigators? Impeachment? Vote Hillary and that's exactly what you'll get.
March 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh. Horrible.
I feel cheated.
In fact I feel the same way I felt when Bill admitted that he had lied about Monica.
Deja vu.
March 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
ZOMG CNN stop talking about it....
O now they are talking to Clinton supporter Bill Nelson about FL and MI.
And Nelson wants the previous results to stand and be counted.
March 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
and now they are talking about the guy who said terrorist want him to win. Did they just bypass Obama's speech entirely.
March 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will Hillary reject Spitzer, denounce him, or both?
More importantly, will she give back the money he's raised on her behalf?
March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
On a conference call to reporters, Mark Penn says that this is bad news for Obama because he has yet to denounce and repudiate Elliot Spitzer and that this delay raises suspicions about his committment to a new kind of politics.
March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
people, people, you are letting the frankly0 troll distract you and waste your time. It is probably a paid Hillarybot or St. McCain slave. It never originates a decent insight but constantly plucks your nerve. ignore it, it may not go away but it will save you time for more interesting comments.
Seriously, ignore the frankly0 troll, please.
March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
DENOUNCE AND REJECT ELIOT SPITZER
And while she's at it who's to say that Bill didn't accompany Eliot on his visits to the Bada Bing
I'd demand that the Clintons produce their tax returns; ALL documents demonstrating ANY foreign policy experience during the WH years, and medical records demonstrating that Bill was successfully castrated
Don't Let the Clintons Bamboozle You
March 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the desk of:
Mark Poison Penn
Re: Spitzer Sex Scandal:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton wants the voters to know that she has the most experience to deal with such a unexpected emergency. Senator Clinton has past the threshold of being qualified to deal with Bimbo Eruptions, from day one. Experience counts. At 3.00am who do you want answering those phone calls from the Red Light Zone.
Hillary Clinton has 35 years of experience dealing with Bimbo Eruptions, and Senator Obama has never even made a speech about them.
Who do you want taking that 3.00AM Red Light call!
March 10, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course this is bad for Hillary. Spitzer is the Governor of her (current) home state and a big cheerleader.
It reminds the world of Bill's past sex scandal. It reminds us that Hillary "could not breathe" (her words) when confronted with the facts about Bill and Monica. It reminds us of her dreadful non-answer to the question about Spitzer's abandoned immigrant drivers license policy - in a debate stage in Philadelphia no less.
If Spitzer resigns, his action will be compared to Bill's refusal to go. If Spitzer clings on, he'll be a daily reminder to the world of one her most prominent supporters.
I am just so saddened to see that the hopes for really seriously needed reform of New York State's system of government seems to have been snuffed out for another decade. Why can't these guys keep their dicks in their pants?
Of course, it is very unusual for a John to get tangled up in these investigations. It looks like Spitzer is getting some very special treatment from the Bush Department of Justice. Stay tuned on that one.
March 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Hillary, what about your supporter, fundraiser and member of your financial committee who recently said Obama was only winning because he was a black man? She must resign, and you must denounce and reject!!
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28491876
Geraldine Ferraro Must Resign Immediately!!
March 10, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink