Rendell: An Obama-Hillary Ticket Would Be Great, Too
Gov. Ed Rendell (D-PA), a Hillary Clinton supporter who has said the eventual nominee should offer the running-mate spot to the loser, said he'd be fine with an Obama-Clinton ticket, too. "That would be great either way," Rendell said. "I'd be happier if she were the presidential candidate, but I think that would be a good thing. We need to come together."
In light of the acrimony in the race, Rendell said that Obama would face the question, "'Senator Obama, you said Senator Clinton wasn't trustworthy; how can you make her vice-president?'" He added that Hillary would face a similar question: " 'Senator Clinton, you said Senator Obama was not ready to lead on national security.'"















Obama doesn't need Clinton; I don't think. Also, Obama has never called on her openly for that. The closest Obama came was saying some like that she was on his shortlist. (I think that was during one of the many debates.) Rendell wants to turn the ship around, but it has already hit the iceburg.
March 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama already said he wasn't ready, and then instead of working overtime he went and wrote a book.
Priorities.
March 11, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary wrote one, too. What's your point?
March 11, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that after a close race like this, it would be unwise to ignore Hillary. She should be given an upper-level role in the administration (majority leader?) and maybe even offered the vice presidency.
However, I also see the pitfall for Obama here. He is trying to create a fresh, new political landscape. Selecting Hillary might not help him achieve this goal.
March 11, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another Clinton supporter makes racial remarks about BO
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/11/753661.aspx
March 11, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's an interesting bit of spin. Sounds as though the Clintons are now angling for the VP spot. Is that what this is all about? Putting enough pressure on Obama so that he has to pick them for VP now that their Presidential hopes are fading? Sounds like it.
March 11, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama ought to appoint her to SCOTUS
March 11, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is a rumor I've heard often. She has done some very difficult work volunteering for the public defender's office. Not sure how long.
March 11, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice bank shot. Basically Barack Obama is painted into a corner on this. If he says unequivocally that he wouldn't consider sharing a ticket with Clinton he comes off as not a team player and feeds the emerging "all-about-me" narrative. If he says he would, he risks losing people who are on the fence and may like him and his speeches but would go for Clinton in a second if they thought it was a two-fer.
March 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Trial balloon? Or just Rendell spouting off again?
March 11, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
This really is soooo pathetic. I love this quote, "In light of the acrimony in the race." Who exactly caused the acrimony, uh the clintons. So, let me see if I get this, the clintons stir up as much acrimony as possible and then point to all the acrimony as the reason why it should be a joint ticket.
They did the same thing with the race baiting garbage before NEW HAMPSHIRE. They injected race and stirred the pot and obama didn't say squat. They won nh in part based on the race baiting, then after stirring it up and winning nh, they wanted to call a truce and said that race shouldn't be injected.
This is sooo pathetic. Send the clintons packing. Typical clintonion politics. I just hope that obama does not bite on the clinton vp bs. Clinton on the ticket dooms the dems in november. She can stir up all the acrimony she wants sitting on the french riviera sipping champagne with her buds. It's time to turn the page.
March 11, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would a sitting senator want to be VP? And who would want to put up with The Bill and Hill Show as VP?
I think John Edwards doesn't have a job right now...
Obama/Edwards '08 !!
March 11, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Man, their internal polling must really suck.
Obama's handled it just fine: I just saw Susan Rice on MSNBC and she reiterated Obama's statements that Hillary Clinton would be on anybody's short list.
Here's how I see it: Hillary ain't gonna do nothing to try to win back the 50% of the democratic party and the 90% of black support she has squandered. She'll assume we'll fall in line, as if all voters are party insiders. She'll announce party unity but do precious little to achieve it. She truly believes she's the dragonslayer and can do it on her own.
Obama, on the other hand, will do what he can to assuage the misgivings and negative feelings the Clinton supporters will have, and win a good portion of them back. He walks the walk when it comes to party unity and party building.
He will have compelling arguments for whomever he chooses as VP. I think it's obvious HIllary would need Barack a whole lot more than Barack would need Hillary. Frankly, I don't see her being second fiddle, no matter what. The point is moot.
March 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
What Hillary "should" be given is a stiff primary challenge in NY in 4 years. She's a carpetbagging piece of @#$%. She and her husband and their toxic retinue of McAuliffes and Penns need to be excised from the party, like a tumor.
das- it's a trial buffoon. ;)
March 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
"'Senator Obama, you said Senator Clinton wasn't trustworthy; how can you make her vice-president?'"
That question has an easier answer: "I'm not going to make her vice-president."
March 11, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Cheryl Mickens, a Mississippi truancy officer who said she would be happy with either candidate as the party’s nominee, said she believed the Clintons were being presumptive by suggesting that Mr. Obama should play second fiddle. She raised the idea of an Obama-Clinton ticket.
“She’s been No. 2 before with Bill,” Ms. Mickens said, “so she can be No. 2 with him.”
This portion of today's NY Times article summed up what I think. It's also funny.
March 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
The more Ed Rendell speaks, the less credibility he has. Seeing him on the talk shows the past few days saying how the candidate with the most delegates, most votes and most contests won should somehow not be the nominee is just insane.
March 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think she'd be fine as either Majority leader or better yet, Majority Whip. Certainly Harry Reid needs to go, that's for sure.
I have been saying for YEARS that Hillary would be a wonderful Supreme Court Justice. I think, without the pressures of politics, she might actually be free to cultivate her talents. I don't think she's the greatest constitutional scholar, but that's not always necessary. She's highly intelligent, and I would trust her to do the work she would need to do to learn. She could stop triangulating and calculating and really do some good. She could allow her heart to be in the right place. For the rest of her life.
The presidency is actually the job she's least suited for. I know it's all she wants, all she's ever wanted. But her personal dramas are not our responsiblity, although she's done a good job of convincing over-50 women that it is their job, which makes me sad (being in her demographic).
Hillary has tried to paint Obama into a corner. I think the calculation is, he's not a "unifier" if he doesn't consider it and to plant the two-fer image.
Again I say, her internal polling must really suck. So many democrats were horrified at her Joe Lieberman position on McCain. And in typical Hillary fashion, she didn't say it once, or twice, but three times. You don't endorse the other party's candidate. It was the last straw for a lot of people.
Of course, the nation's attention span is about a day and a half, and anything can happen. It already has, multiple times.
March 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to see Hillary nominated for SCOTUS if only to see the right have a collective stroke. But I don't know if a corporate lawyer is really what the Supreme Court needs.
March 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
What about Sinbad? Don't I get love?
Clinton/Sinbad '08 - We might win Arkansas!
March 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
To use a favorite TPM word, Rendell is being mendacious (again). Clinton didn't just say that Obama wasn't ready to "lead on nationa security." She said he wasn't qualified to be president. Big difference between the two.
March 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would an Obama/Hillary ticket be "great"? It is my view that Hillary offers nothing to his ticket that he can't get elsewhere with the likes of Sam Nunn, Jim Webb, or even Governor Rendell.
The simple truth is that both Obama and Hillary lack a certain gravitas. Obama would benefit from someone with a dearth of foreign policy experience on his ticket. As Obama has been arguing, effectively...see Obama's latest memo:
http://thepage.time.com/obama-foreign-policy-memo/
That person is not Hillary Clinton.
March 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to find a way to buy her off.
Then she will stop scorched earth, but more importantly, she needs to be persuaded to campaign for him in the states she won, and among women and Latinos.
But she is too toxic for VP.
Somethign else. I'd say Senate majority leader.
March 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's hard to imagine that Rendell said this without some kind of authorization. Silly though the idea of an Obama-Clinton ticket is, there is real significance in their bringing it up so. Surely it will strike even brain-dead voters that all the overtures are coming from one side.
In politics, as in romance, there's nothing less attractive than neediness combined with arrogance and abuse.
March 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rendell is a great gaffe machine. Gotta love him.
IS he saying what the Clinton camp knows of just speaking off the top of his head????
I'd be interested if this shows the Clintons know their time is up. It's a lot of money we're talking about here. Maybe DNC insiders are telling her to give up.
Probably wishful thinking. Hillary is the type of person who would rather the whole ship goes down if she has to.
March 11, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
0% chance she becomes his VP. Thank God.
March 11, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no, no, NO!!! I do not want to see Hillary Clinton ANYWHERE on the ticket. She would not be a help to Obama, even if she tried. Her negatives are just too high. And having her anywhere on the ticket would absolutely guarantee a huge Republican turnout. That would negate one of Barack Obama's biggest advantages.
Furthermore, I don't trust her. I think she's already looking to 2012 - and to run again in four years, she's going to need Barack Obama to lose in November. After all, McCain is an old man who might well only serve four years. And America might be REALLY tired of the Iraq war by then.
I've never been a 'Hillary Hater,' and I've always stuck up for her. But she's finally convinced me. Her ambition knows no bounds. This is all about her, and it seems she'll do anything - anything at all - to get what she wants. She is exactly the opposite of the kind of politics Barack Obama is supporting. Having her on the ticket would go against his entire campaign. And he'd risk getting stabbed in the back at any time.
March 11, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't help seeing this as promising:
--- I don't think Rendell would say it without authorization, which means that Clinton is at least **thinking** about ending this farce before convention. (By the time of convention, there's little to gain and the two of them will be much too polarized, I think.)
--- IF he did say it without authorization, that's even better, because it's a signal to Clinton from her currently-most-important supporter that HE thinks it should end! The two people with the most 'clout' to convince her to stop are Bill Clinton and Ed Rendell. And if they see a big humiliation coming, they might just do that.
And, repeating myself from other posts, if that is what she will accept to stop all this, the only way she gets VP on an Obama ticket is if she goes to him with a solid offer, and promise to cease hostilities *and* not sabotage the campaign, NOW! - this week, after the MS primary. There isn't another logical 'stopping point' until after PA .... and once PA is finished, it's easier coasting for him from there on. The gains from accepting her as VP later on become pretty small.
Right now, however, she can offer six whole weeks that could be spent concentrating on the Republicans, not tearing up the Dems, and avoiding all the expense and potential setback of a PA contest -- oh, and obviating the need for a do-over in MI and FL. For the sake of party unity and sanity - and to vastly improve the chance of success in Nov. -- he'd have to consider the offer NOW. And I think his anxious and exhausted supporters would accept his putting her in VP if we gained a final, peaceful conclusion to all of this NOW. But after this week, or next week at the latest, the value of such a compromise will be seriously diminished.
Ideally, however, she will think of another 'offer' that will be as acceptable as VP. Actually, I think she would be very good on the Sup. Ct. She has a good legal mind, certainly knows how to fight (which is required - just a different type), and it's total job security. Plus it would give every right-winger a really, REALLY bad case of hives!!!
Come on, Mississippi, do your part!! A good, solid win there tonight ... with the prospect of six empty but exhausing weeks ahead ... might set the stage for something to happen: an agreement like this, movement of SDs, something!
March 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice post. I have to disagree with the premise that she has to come to him now and accept the vp spot. Too late and he will never do it. The clintons have caused too much carnage and destruction from prior to new hampshire to now. Not only have the clintons succeeded in polarizing the republicans from dems, but now they have also succeeded in polarizing 50% of dems against them. Nope too late and too much of a downside to her being on the ticket.
Also, I disagree with the supreme court gig. She is a corporate lawyer, and government functionary, we have too many of them on the court already. I really don't trust her at all and would not want to give her a lifetime appointment to the court. For all we know, she could wind up being another roberts. Nope, no court gig.
March 11, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
*spit take*
March 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
The worst thing Hillary can do is to scorch the earth and then poison the well, then just bow out and let her supporters remain bitter.
She should be forced to campaign for him and patch things up. If she doesn't do this, she should be kicked out fo the party, and we should find someone to run against her in NY state.
She's caused all this acrimony. She owns it if you ask me. She should be forced to clean it up.
March 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Off topic but
Hey did anyone notice this at RCP:
General Election McCain-Obama McCain-Clinton
National Obama +5.2 Clinton +1.7
Pennsylvania Obama +2.0 McCain +0.3
McCain currently beats Clinton in PA!
Obama wins in PA according to them.
So what's the rationale for Ed Rendell?
I love how the MSM buys the bs Clinton narratives about winning the "big states". More like rigging the big state, and promptly losing them in a real contest she can't rig (ie. the general election)
March 11, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A. -- I'll be honest, over the last week I've spent some days thinking "settle on HRC as VP and just STOP this insanity" but by that afternoon or the next day agreeing with what you say, it's already too late, been too bad for that. Also, why should he have to give in to what is, in effect, extortion.
But .... those six long weeks, all the expense and energy and wounds, all the agita over MI and FL, and the *wonderful* head start this is giving McCain. I keep trying to come up with *some* believeable scenario that stops what is happening now. The possibility of her waking up one morning and saying "I think I'll step down for the good of the party" is, sadly, not one I see as likely.
Good point about the Sup Ct -- who knows how she might change over time? That's a big question with any appointee, bigger than usual with her. But I wonder if there is anything that he could agree to give her that would get this over with now?
March 11, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, she will never step down for the good of the party. She will take this all the way and cause as much damage and destruction as possible. Maybe she is already running for 2012. Maybe that is the plan. Permanently damage obama so that mccain wins and then she runs against him in 2012. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point.
I really don't think that there is anything that obama can offer her to shut her down. The only way that she gets shut down is if the supers put a stop to her, but it doesn't appear that that will happen anytime soon.
Bottom line, it is very depressing what the clintons are doing. How they have any support is really mindboggling.
March 11, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink