Rasmussen: McCain Beating Hillary In Arkansas, Swamping Obama

A new Rasmussen poll of Arkansas shows John McCain taking the lead over Hillary Clinton for the general election, after Hillary had been in the lead in most polls throughout this cycle for the state where she had previously served as first lady.

McCain leads Hillary 50%-43%, with 50% of likely voters saying they view Hillary favorably to 47% unfavorable, compared to McCain's 66%-30% rating. McCain does even better against Barack Obama, trouncing him 59%-30%, with Obama having a 35%-62% favorable rating.


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Although Rasmussen should be taken with a grain of salt, it definitely puts a dent in Hillary's electoral college electability argument, especially since she relies also on Florida, which has not gone blue in a while.

Laughing!

Laughing!

Laughing!

Hillary in her best case scenario alienates over a million individual campaign supporters of Obama, while playing the race card either directly or indirectly, even in the black church arena. Irrespective of if it is BET (Black Entertainment TV) attacks, or clips of other blacks, the slime continues. So if she wins, she loses.

Because she will not concede the fact that she lost, in votes, caucasus, polls, and in raising money she now attacks Obama daily and allows McCain the pass to Nov.

I especially loved the Judas comment, again under the belt assertion where all those money loving jews who reject Christ at Easter are at work; opposing Hillary.

And the Obama is a muslim slime? Well now we know that we have had a good chance to look at Obama's Church, well maybe that wasn't true.. but it was damn good slime!

More Slime!

More Slime!

More Slime!

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An interesting side note to take from that poll is the difference between the two candidates. That Hillary does better in her home state is understandable but AR is arguably fairly Democratic. That Obama would do so poorly is surprising ... but then you would realize most Democrats in the state are strongly pro-Hillary and unfortunately this is another illustration that being pro-Hillary has started to mean being anti-Obama to an extent.
Hopefully she will help solving that problem later on.

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I'd love to hear again how this nasty and drawn out race is good for the party.

Of course he's getting killed in Arkansas. The Clintons are still pretty popular there, so it must be tough for them to see this fight. Just like it is for all of us.

But, it's obviously not going to end anytime soon, so we have to just hope that Dems try to stay as civil as possible through to the end. Otherwise, you'll see these kinds of numbers -- huge swings between Clinton and Obama against McCain -- in every state in the union.

who cares about that? i could end up having to buy lunch for Michael A!!!!

seriously, though... rasmussen puts a dent in Hillary's electability argument? rasmussen???

first you say "grain of salt" (to your credit), but then you say it "definitely" puts a dent...

which is it? i'm going with the "grain of salt"... lol.

My mantra is by and large polls are meaningless, but it is interesting that arkansas is mccain country when the former 1st lady is running for president. Interesting, but not surprising.

I am looking forward to that lunch kensdad. We will definitely have a very interesting conversation. I like seafood by the way.

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Wow, wait. You mean in a conservative southern state that would only even consider voting for Hillary because she used to live there prefers the Republican to Obama?!


Knock me over with a feather.

I think (read: hope) that the reason McCain is suddenly surging is because no one is aiming their fire at him. He's out of the country, he hasn't done anything that made his numbers go up. Instead, the Dems are doing everything in their power to make their numbers go down. Hopefully, when the general starts (though who knows when that will be), and we start attacking McCain instead of, ya know, each other, the numbers will look better.

But I'm not holding my breath for Arkansas...

A tiny dent. I'll agree it doesn't smash the entire bandwagon. The prolonged primaries do create the illusion of a stronger McCain. I'm sure candidate Hillary, once she's re-directed her kitchen sink at the McCain, could recover, in spite of all the love she is showing him now.

i couldn't agree more... just when i thought you obama guys couldn't be rational about Hillary, you make a totally reasonable comment! shame on me for underestimating you ;-)

"McCain does even better against Barack Obama, trouncing him 59%-30%, with Obama having a 35%-62% favorable rating."

I guess they do not like God damn America in Arkansas.

Who da thunk it?

gotalife,

Get a clue.

Consider the state, education level.

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I guess only educated people like God damn America.

I'm a dropout and I love it.

Choke on it.

I like America okay, embarrassed at the moment. Could do without the God at all in politics.

I boast a 100% correct 6th sense when it comes to the question who gets elected into the White House.
And other stuff too.

Here we go:
-1998: Bill Clinton impeachment. I predicted that he'd beat the forces attacking him. No fewer than 6 seasoned correspondents said he'd have to resign. One promised me a VERY expensive bottle of wine (French Pomerol.) I won.
He's still working for the WH press corps.
Of course, I never got the wine.

-2000: I predicted that G.W. Bush would win the presidential campaign. People laughed in my face.
I won.
Again, no wine.

-2004: Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, told me that John Kerry would "surely" beat Bush.
The country would "see through his lies", right?
I won.
No wine. No, this time I got some VERY angry looks from some "press professionals" who have been covering politics "since you were sucking on your diapers, son!"

-2008: Obama going to win nomination. McCain going to win general election. BUT: he also wins when matched up against Hillary Clinton.
Reasons: Obama's black. Hillary is a woman.
McCain is a white heterosexual.

And then there's S.A.V.: Stupid American Voter. Don't ever count him out; he's the basis of my succes as a predictor ;)

But...!

-2012: Mitt Romney campaigns for the presidency, after first being McCain's veep, because McCain himself has retired due to severe health problems.

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So if McCain picks a different VP, am I free to say that your crystal ball is as full of shit as your post?

Here's what is REALLY going to happen....

Obama beats Hillary for Dem nomination.

Obama and McCain debate, during which McCain gets testy and trips all over his tongue confusing Al Qaeda with Al Franken.

Obama wins by a landslide due to the fact that people realize that McCain's temperment just isn't right for the job.

In 2012, for the first time in US History, the Republicans decide not to run against Pres. Obama, realizing that he's done such a fantastic job that it would be shere lunacy to deny him another 4 years. Folks actively try to ammend the 22nd Ammendment, but Obama declares publicly that part of the beauty of the American system is the peaceful transfer of power.

He is succeeded by Pres. Chelsea Clinton.

I like your vision better, but tell me: does Nader run in 2012?

He is succeeded by Pres. Chelsea Clinton.

Who then nominates him to the Supreme Court, where he serves to the ripe old age of 95, tying William O. Douglas for the longest term.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR OBAMA!!!

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now for the obamabots to explain why these polls don't matter...

although you would have thought with the "gallup polls show obama overtaking hillary," that the bots were going on and on about the resurrected savior! obama that is, not jesus.

and let us pray for forgivness, for blaspheming. to obama that is, not jesus.

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And, you have yet to answer a simple question I asked a number of times yesterday.

According to both my personal experience and the polls, a large majority of Americans don't seem to really give much of a patoot about the whole Wright thing. Because, well, they're much smarter than you. And they're not paid by the Hillary campaign.

Now, tell me exactly how any of his statements are anti-White or anti-American. Still waiting...

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and i SAID: go watch the youtube video! jeez!

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Link to Obama saying anti-White, anti-American remarks please. If you have one I'll drink your kool-aid, Mr. Jones.

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This poll is a disaster for Hillary. It could be an outlier just as any single poll can be an outlier, but Rasmussen has test polled the general in Arkansas a couple times before with Hillary winning big against any and all Rethugs. And it made perfect sense because Arkansas is basically a home state for Hillary (who has the unusual benefit of having both New York and Arkansas and arguably also Illinois as "home" states).

That there now is a trend against Hillary to the point that she now loses a virtual home state to McCain really hurts her badly since it means there now is NO state that clearly only she can win that Obama cannot.

Oh, and Obama doing badly in Arkansas, and worse than Hillary, is meaningless. It's an inelastically conservative state that we can't win the state without an Arkansan on the ticket, as even Gore who had been a Senator from neighboring Tennessee proved. And now even former Arkansan Hillary may have lost the benefit of having been an Arkansan.

If other polling corroborates this Rasmussen poll on Arkansas, undecided superdelegates will NOT misread it like some idiot Hillary supporters commenting here are doing. They will recognize this polling only as a reason NOT to choose Hillary over Obama.

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Looks like Obama has a 49 state strategy now.

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Arkansas = stupid is as stupid does

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Blah, blah. It's not November yet. Just wait until Hillary is out of the picture and Obama's campaign really begins.

Obama will never take arkansas. Neither would clinton. However, I will bet a lunch that he plays for it, like virtually every other state in the union. That's what a president does. We are a country of 50 states, not 16.

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Closing in on 2 million new donors in 2008:

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/smartproxy/my.barackobama.com/page/contribute_c/sofar08_lp/graphic

Oh, silver heron, you just made 2 hours of blogification all worthwhile.

Let's hear it for the Fifty United States (plus PR plus Guam plus DC plus ex-pats)! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Thank you very much for that link. How do you find that kind of stuff. It reminds me of when I was a kid. Awesome. Thanks.

I guess everyone was right,

Hillary Clinton staying in the race is bringing energy to, keeping attention on, the Democratic race and is a a boon to the party.

The big (mainstream)liberal bloggers are really starting to lose their credibility this primary.
I find myself increasing dissatisfied them. This came to a head yesterday when Josh, Kevin, and Atrios all failed to post about the Washington Post's new article about Hillary Clinton's big Bosnia lie and the newly revealed video. I find myself increasing relying on these reader posts and not the main posts at TPM for scoop on the election. Josh's focus on Mark Penn's incompetance is starting to feel like a form of avoidance; a way a seeming fair WITHOUT actually focusing on what is now becoming a laundry list of Clinont campaing lies and exagerations.

Is anyone else feeling the same way?

Sincerely,


100 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON


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and the #1 reason to NOT vote for barack obama:

his supporters!

When a site like hillaryis44.org exists, it's pretty tough to talk about Obama supporters.

At least we don't embarrass our kids...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iu9r040blE

Oh man...thanks for the laugh.

I'm just glad I wasn't drinking anything when I clicked on that video....

yeah, there are so many of us.

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Extreme Right forces are driving the current conversation on Rev. Wright and want to keep the dialogue away from the bankrupt economy and a perpetual war. Such forces will perpetually seek conflict with radical Islam in a struggle for so-called global hegemony. Their conversation is FEAR and ironically they are the ONLY saviors.

Rev Wright controversy is a complete distraction and a systematic way of killing the voice of moderation. If they damage Obama, Clinton or McCain either way the conversation would be FEAR.

In order to transform the conversation and set our own agenda we need to first bridge a stark thinking-disconnect between the young/liberal and main stream democrats/independents. Main stream is hesitant in staying with their desire for change and but is constantly reminded of the FEAR.

Obama presidency will be FEARLESS.

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Obama presidency will be game changing in a global perspective. You might think I am a romantic or Obama mania has arrested my faculties but my argument is supported by a paradigm shift in the generational and conventional thinking. This paradigm shift is lost on many of the conventional commentators in the US. Global innovation and internet is altering the way white race was and is perceived in the world. Capital, West’ main growth driver, now has no boundaries and its deployment is solely based on the highest return. Hence it is fleeing the US economy in a hurry.

As we speak, a bankrupt economy and a shift in capital deployment coupled with the choke of Extreme Right on American politics are rendering itself in FEAR. Fear which is driving the working class whites in the arms of extreme right and moving them exactly opposite to globalization. Fear that drove Americans to elect Bush twice could again determine their next choice. Fear, watched live for the past eight years, if elected again has the potential to create havoc in global economic and social balance.

Obama presidency will be FEARLESS.

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I grew up in Arkansas, and even though we have two Democratic senators and a Democratic governor (it's NOT a deep red state), I don't think Obama really has a chance there.

That Hillary is losing to McCain suggests she's losing the black vote.

i'm feeling a bit uncomfortable right now (but at least it's rasmussen!)

on the other hand, eventhough we don't agree on our choice of candidates, we probably have a lot more in common than it seems at this moment... we are, after all, both democrats ;-)

my only concern is having to listen to you rant about Hillary at lunch. that would be rather unpleasant.

sorry, my post above was meant as a reply to Michael A (re: our lunch bet)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Match up polls in March are a joke. A couple of weeks ago, Hillary was ahead in AR. 2 weeks from now, she could be back ahead or further behind. 4 weeks from now, it could flip again. People, we have not even nominated a Dem. The GE campaign has not even begun. The election is 8 months away. 8 months ago, Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton were trouncing everyone and McCain was thought to be dead in the water. And at this time in 2004, Kerry was ahead of Bush in the match up polls. Pay no attention to these polls.

I call on TPM not to publish any more match up polls until summer.

as much as you seem to dislike it, Genghis... i agree with you (again!)

I just watched Chris Mathews and count the times that the word "race" was used. And three out of four said that she wouldn't quit. And remember that McCain supported amnesty so he can do better than expected with Hispanics.

But running from the polls will not change what has happened.

No! I deny your agreement, kensdad. I've changed my mind. The polls are perfect prognosticators after all. I reject my no-more-matchups campaign. My new TPM campaign is all-matchups-all-the-time.

100 Reasons Not to Vote for Hillary Clinton:

I find myself increasing dissatisfied them. This came to a head yesterday when Josh, Kevin, and Atrios all failed to post about the Washington Post's new article about Hillary Clinton's big Bosnia lie and the newly revealed video.

Rather telling wasn't it? To be caught out on video in such brazen fabrications and NOT draw massive attention?

Her fabrications are really no different than Bush saying he served honorable in the National Guard. Or that he had successfully run oil companies.

And her put down of Sinbad's recollection of events shows she has the same sort of obnoxious insistence on her own version of reality as Bush. This is not the stuff of which good presidents are made.


At least these two bloggers had the good sense to cover it:

Yglesias: http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/hillary_clinton_in_bosnia.php

The Carpetbagger: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14981.html


kens dad--while I'm convinced the majority of HRC supporters in the world are perfectly sane people, the swath on this site tends not to be. It is nice to have you here. It can't be easy, and I appreciate your good-nature.

thanks for that, anneeliz! it does get frustrating sometimes (and i do lose it on occasion), but i hope that by trying to have a rational discussion that both sides will eventually be able to come together when the nominee is finally chosen.

hot rhetoric on both sides (BO and HRC) only helps mccain!

Second. I like kensdad's posts, even though he had the temerity to suggest that I was wrong yesterday. Me, Genghis, wrong? LOL

PS kendsdad, I've decided to forgive you. But you're on probation.

o.k., Genghis, thanks for that... i'll be very careful in what i post. probation is a scary thing!

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The original headline on this post said "destroying Obama". Why was that changed?

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Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Republican. Now she has endorsed John McCain, another Republican Senator from Arizona, for Commander in Chief ahead of Senator Obama.

Hillary is a traitor to the Democratic Party.

Hillary is the new Lieberman.

there you go again, liam...

Hillary has done more for the democratic party and for the american people than most people could achieve in a lifetime. dissing her by calling her a traitor, or even worse, by calling her the new lieberman reflects badly on you, liam. it reflects badly on your candidate and the good people who support him. your outrageous posts do more to polarize the race than to help your candidate.

haven't you got anything even remotely useful to contribute to the dialog?

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Al Gore lost Arkansas to George Bush 46 - 51; John Kerry lost it 44 to 54. My hunch is that if Obama were to get the nomination, he might be able to recover 10 to 15%, making his loss of AR in the general election roughly equal to Gore's in 2000 and Kerry's in 2004. So who cares? Except for favorite sons (and maybe daughters), in presidential politics Arkansas is a red state.

Gore and Kerry didn't lose to Bush because they lost Arkansas, and Bill Clinton didn't win against Bush Sr. and Dole because he won Arkansas. Gore "lost" (note the scare quotes) because he lost his home state of Tennessee and such winnable states as New Hampshire. Kerry lost because, well, he was kind of a loser.

In 1996, Clinton beat Dole 379 electoral votes to 159. That means that had he lost (instead of won) AR (6), LA (9), TN (11), KY (8), OH (21) and PA (23), and FL (25), he still would have won the presidency with 6 electoral votes to spare!

I'm not saying that Obama can win without at least one of those last three big states. What I am saying is that we should look to states like Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia for the difference in this election. Arkansas has no place at all in the Democrat's game plan, not even (I suspect) if Hillary Clinton is the nominee.

Sorry, Arkansas, land of my fathers and source of fond memories.

Obama can start repeating Kristof's Iraq math: $5000 a second, $50,000 for a family of five.

And as everyone knows, "As goes Arkansas shitkickers, so goes the nation".

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Of course McCain's ahead! He's getting a free ride at the moment. What's more, if Lieberman ever leaves his side, he's sunk!

Of course I agree that polls this far out can hardly be expected to tell us much about how things will look in November (when it counts). That said, I hardly think that it is surprising that the republican candidate should be leading in the polls in a thoroughly red state. Al Gore was not able to carry TN, so it would hardly be a surprise if Clinton were to lose AR. Indeed, my own thinking (based on my own time spent in Arkansas) is that if Clinton does carry AR in the GE, she will need only one more miracle to qualify for sainthood.

She can only carry AR in the GE if she wins the nomination, which would require a miracle at this point. Thus, if she wins AR in the GE, she would qualify for sainthood.

(But can't you get points taken off for bad behavior? I don't know how this sainthood stuff works.)

Good point. If she carries AR in the GE, she will be good to go for canonization. St Hillary of Arkansas (or is it New York?) can be patroness of democrats in close elections.

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News flash - black man losing to white man in Arkansas. Who'd a thunk it...

Thank you for that brief interlude of sanity in all this. We liberals have really gone through the looking glass. Obamamaniacs have been so demoralized by the Bush presidency these 7 long years, that all the only language they speak is sputtering outrage.

Education does not have to be schooling, informative would have been a better word. Anyone on this site is just that. I suspect also that anyone who is informed/educated on John McCain would never prefer him to either democratic candidate. He is a putz.

Obama wrote a book about his drug use as a teen.
H.R. Clinton was a republican as a teen because she grew up in a republican household.

And it does look like she exaggerated the Bosnia trip. It's not really important though.

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