What a crock. Emotions are high now - once there is an election in the fall, their minds will change.

Why waste the gd money, just split the delegates 50/50. This is absurd. Clinton didn't break 50% with everything in her favor, she probably won't break 50% now.

Hey FLA: Snap out of it!

Seriously, FL Democrats are actually going to vote for the Animated Corpse(TM) just because their delegates won't get seated? Get a grip people.

For some reason I can't reply to your posts former poster Gregg D. You know I disagree on that and its the 50 state strategy. Even if dems don't carry florida, dems need to pick up house and state legislative seats, so a play for it has to be made and obama has a better chance than the clintons to take the state.

That is many months from now. Likely things will heat up and people will surprise themselves by going out to vote! After all, they may have other candidates on the ballot. Congress people, for example. Once they're there, they will likely cast a vote.

People are not all that good about forecasting what they will do in 6+ months.

Exactly. Only 14% say it is makes them much less likely to vote Democratic. This is a remarkably low number for a poll like this. The idea that this reflects "serious damage" strikes me as patently ridiculous.

They'll come around.

Hillary voters won't vote for Obama! It's news!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Modest Proposal:

Figure out which States were displaced by Michigan and Florida jumping ahead of them.

Total up how the cumulative elected delegates were split in those displaced States, between Obama and Clinton.

Divide the full Florida and Michigan elected delegate totals in proportion to how the elected delegates in the displaced States went between the two candidates.

I think that would satisfy all. It would seat all the Florida and Michigan delegations, and it would not reward them for having jumped out of turn.

You will not get a fairer solution than that. It cost no money or time, and both States get to avoid being treated as outlaws at the convention.

So---one of the states Hillary could carry, but barack probably cannot---will vote for McCain anyway. Might as well go with the candidate who can carry the states that Hillary cannot. Write off Florida----Hillary's attempted theft of delegates there has ruined democrat chances anyway.

Actually went and looked at the results, such as they were, and found the following:

a) Poll was of people who were "interested" in voting in both the Republican and Democratic primaries, or as we call them out here in the real world, "everyone."

b) Only 16% said not having delegates counted would make them "much less likely" to vote for the Democratic nominee.

How many of that 16% would have voted for the Democratic nominee anyway, ummm, who knows, but it could well be next to zero given that they were polling Republicans as well as Democrats.

And, hell, let's face it, if we had to win Florida to win the presidency under the best of circumstances we'd be screwed. Know how many times Florida has gone Democratic since 1952? Three. That's right three effing times. Take a look:

http://uselectionatlas.org/

(This is a great site, btw, even if he did guess wrong about which party was going to be "Blue" and which was going to be "Red" when he first started.)

In 1964, the biggest landslide for a Democrat in modern history, Florida, LBJ beat Goldwater by a whopping 1.15%. In 1976, 51.93% of Floridians voted for Jimmy Carter. And in 1996, the one year we really didn't need their stinkin' electoral votes, they generously voted to give Bill Clinton a second term with 48.02% Yep, that's right, if not for Ross Perot pulling close to 10% of the vote that year, Robert "Sunny Bob" Dole would have had Florida's electoral votes.

Screw Florida. They send the vilest Republicans and the most spineless DINOs in the nation to Congress, elect people named Bush governor, and waste our time and money in the general.

And as long as I've had my rant button pushed, Crist and the rest of the Republicans in that state have a lot of goddam nerve making pious pronouncements about anyone "disenfranchising" voters. Are you kidding me? The people who run the most thuggish disenfranchisment pograms in the nation have the gall to talk to the DNC about disenfranchisement?

WHAT THE HELL IS OBAMA IR CLINTON SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT THIS?

Sorry for the shouting, but this is ONE issue that shouldn't divide us.

The Florida Democrats decided against having a revote. End of story.

Nothing Hillary or Obama can do about it now,

The Florida delegates will be seated at the convention, everybody agrees on that. They will probably divide them 50/50 which is the fair way to do it. If they do the proposed half-nelson in Florida, where Hillary nets about 19 delegates over Obama, than that is essentially saying that their primary did count when the rules says it didn't. This is just a poll put out there for the Clintons' benefit. They have a lot of power in the media and established officials. But hopefully not enough to steal the nomination. I'm counting on Pelosi, Kennedy, and Gore to keep that from happening.

The writing is on the wall for those who can read. The Clinton campaign's arguments will be proven correct by November. Either Hillary is the nominee, or Obama goes down to a massive and by Nov. not so stunning defeat. The Wright thing has sunk him--it was always there and it came out earlier than it might have. Obama has peaked. Can anybody still hear that old Willie Nelson tune, "turn out the lights, the party's over. . . " ?