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Poll: Obama Up 15 Points In North Carolina

A new InsiderAdvantage poll of North Carolina gives Barack Obama a sizable lead here of 49%-34% over Hillary Clinton for the May 6 primary — a bad sign for Hillary, since she would basically need to run the table in the remaining contests in order to seriously narrow Obama's advantage in pledged delegates.

From the internals: Obama leads 79%-16% among black voters, while Hillary is ahead 47%-33% among whites.


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GO NC!! From a VA ex-patriate.

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GO NC!! From a VA expatriate.

That's still a lot of undecideds, which is one of the things Kos pointed out (specifically with the "white" vote).

I'm looking, like him, for a 20+ point win there, no matter what happens in Penn.

Hillary looks sure to win BIG in PA and that bounce will certainly narrow Obama's win in NC. A 10% win there will be quite respectable. Don't high-ball it!

I don't know what you smoked this morning... but, HRC will be lucky to "win" PA with a 5% margin which is looking increasingly unlikely.... Senator Casey's considered endorsement and her high-roller donor letter to Speaker Pelosi spells HRC's doom... she has two options: to ultimately become the majority leader of the senate or to be the junior senator from NY under she dies...

I thought this "insider Advantage" polling co had been discredited. Other polls show him up by more.

Also PPP Poll the other day:

PPP (D) 03/24 - 03/24 673 LV
Obama: 55
Clinton: 34

Obama +21.0

Anyone looking for some humor, go find articles Penn and company wrote about Presidential race pre-Iowa, pre-Obama, pre-modern era. Good stuff. So cocky. And man, can they quote some poll numbers.

In one, Penn was bragging how high Hillary polled with African-Americans, even pointing out how much higher number was than for Obama's.

Oh, inevitability. We hardly knew you.

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Well, NC doesn't count, because he was expected to win there.

Or something.

I read somewhere (dailyKOS IIRC) that Hillary is way up in polling with the People's Republic of China.

Now THAT is a big state.

Maybe she should try to sell that to the DNC.

Yeah, but it's a red state.

(Thanks! I'll be here all week!)

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Are you two working together?

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anneeliz -- Rim shot! :)

And all is right with the world.

My sense is that Clinton is not going to take PA by anything like the poll numbers showing today. Obama says he will consider it a "victory" if he loses by 10%, but it will probably closer when you factor in that Clinton Fatigue is beginning to kick in big time. Factor in Bill "Judas" Richardson's endorsement (I assume Latinos in PA know who Richardson is), and Obama can come on strong. He is smart to underplay his chances though.

Unless Obama runs into another tsunami, Hillary will be lucky to win PA by 5-7%. That could be a deal killer for her because PA is the last state with ideal demographics for her.

With todays speech on the economy, Obama has gotten his game back. Clinton on the other hand is off her game and grasping at straws. (She has been spending a lot of time and emotional energy explaining Bosnia instead of real campaigning.) You can always tell she is in dire straits when Bill pops up out of his box, and he has lately.

And, with her(by proxy)attack on Pelosi she is probably not endearing herself to the supers, the very people she needs to take this from Obama. That was certainly an odd tactic for them to use, since it paints her and her surrogates as whiners. Funny how often it is that the most privileged are the biggest whiners.

HRC "winning" PA by 5% would be a miracle... but, considering Sen Casey's endorsement of Obama, HRC will be lucky to reach 50%

I'm anxious to see new PA numbers. One might think Obama would start to make up some ground about now - also with his bus tour next week. I disagree with the idea of PA somehow affecting the results in NC. After 40 races, we've seen anything but that result hold true. It's all about the demographics.

But with 3.5 weeks til Penn and 5.5 weeks til NC, who knows? I know I'm hyper sensitive to all this since I'm so involved but I am starting to percieve a tipping point. It just seems the pot is about ready to boil over.

Clinton will win PA, probably by margins very similar to her OH win. The demographics are very similar, she has the support of the Democratic governor and much of the establishment there. As a North Carolinian, I'd imagine the contest here will be close. Clinton starts a distinct underdog, but they are both investing in the state. It will be nowhere near the blowout Obama got in SC though.

I really don't imagine Gov. Richardson's endorsement is going to result in any substantial increase in Latino support for Obama. He left the race a long time ago and wasn't able to win Latino support himself when he was still running for president.

Just a clarification, but whomever eventually gets the nomination is going to receive it because of superdelegate support. Neither Clinton nor Obama is going to win enough pledged delegates to get this. Nothing's been taken away from anybody.

In addition, if Obama is all about counting every vote, why did his campaign block new contests in Michigan and Florida? Out of political self-interest. He's a politician, not a saint. He knows he'd lose Florida and fight a close contest in Michigan. But why alienate those states? It's not like he's actually going to win KS, MS, ID or any other deeply red state. Clinton would have a good chance at eclipsing his popular vote margin if revotes were held, putting a monkey wrench in his "claim" to the nomination.

All Clinton talking points. Don't you have any personal reasoning to throw in?

Watch Obama close the gap in PA, and watch him blowout NC. Watch him, but don't blink. He moves very fast.

All Clinton talking points. Don't you have any personal reasoning to throw in?

Watch Obama close the gap in PA, and watch him blow out NC. Watch him, but don't blink. He moves very fast.

It's called being the better candidate...

It's called being the better candidate...

It's called being the better candidate...

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The meme that Obama blocked new contests in FL or MI just won't die, will it?

Can you provide a link?

I am tired of providing research proving this point wrong.

As others note, I too think Clinton will rout Obama in Pennsylvania by at least as much as she did in Ohio. North Carolina will be different and I think Obama will not win by double-digits. In any case, I think the percentages will be more telling--a sweep of Black votes is anticipated but if the percent is lower, even now at 79% is lower than the 90% range he has been achieving it will mark a softening of his Black support. And, as well, if he loses the White vote it will feed the electability argument as Obama because he has become so polarizing. And like others, Richardson's Judas endorsement has no bearing on either of these states and likely none of the upcoming states.

Last dog near death

NEWSFLASH

There is no "electability" argument. After a year of campaigning behind the most powerful political machine the Democratic Party has seen in over 50 years, Hillary Clinton's approval rating stands at 37% - her lowest since she began running for president in 2001


Hillary Clinton's made history alright

For running the worst presidential campaign in decades

Denounced and Rejected!

Pres '08 (D) Mar 27 Pew Obama 49%, Clinton 39%

A simple question: What will it take for HRC supporters to admit reality, she is a loser? Or as my 22 year old nephew says, Why would anyone support a candidate that is still living in the 70s... this is 2008?

Last Dog Death Watch

Andrew Kohut discusses the latest Pew findings http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/polls_03-27.html


Time we sent the Clintons packing and get about the REAL business at hand

Amen, amen, amen!

Clinton's public image

JUDY WOODRUFF: And just quickly, you said that many people who have a favorable opinion of Barack Obama, wherever they support him for president. What about opinions of Hillary Clinton?
ANDREW KOHUT: Hillary Clinton -- opinions of her are less favorable. Fewer people say she's inspiring or honest or down-to-Earth. And a fair number of white Democrats -- and they are the real swing group -- say she's hard to like, 43 percent; 30 percent say she's a phony.
And what we find in the analysis of opinions about Hillary Clinton, this notion of her credibility. The relatively lower ratings for honesty, the relatively high rating for being a phony is what drives negative views of Hillary Clinton. So this Bosnia thing might well resonate with what...
JUDY WOODRUFF: This is the story this week, where she talked about being under sniper fire when she arrived in Bosnia back in 1996.
ANDREW KOHUT: Right. And this issue might resonate with what even previous to this issue, this flap, was in play in the way a significant number of Democrats look at her.

The "electability" argument only works for Clinton if there is clear evidence that she is SIGNIFICANTLY more electable. We are nowhere near that. In fact, Rasmussen has the Clintons losing to McCain by 6 in Oregon, while Obama leads McCain by 6.

CT: Obama +17, Clintons +3
CA: Obama +9, Clintons +3
NV: Obama +4, Clintons +1
WA: Obama +6, MCCAIN + 3
MN: Obama +4, MCCAIN + 1
NY: Obama +11, Clintons +10
CO: Obama Tie, MCCAIN +14
NH: McCain +3, McCain +6
FL: McCain +4, McCain +7

Are there polls showing the Clintons ahead? Of course. The point is that the electability argument can never work when head-to-heads show the Clintons losing or endanger of losing key states like CA, WA, OR, and MN. There's no point in winning OH, if you lose a slew of smaller must haves.

The Clintons needs a huge scandal to hit Obama. They should wait for that from the sidelines. There's nothing to say that they couldn't step in later.

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20% of white voters are undecided? It's April.

"And a fair number of white Democrats -- and they are the real swing group -- say she's hard to like, 43 percent"

Hillary's likable enough.

Actually, PA is tightening - 12 points, down from 20+ in the last poll I saw (I think on TPM). And Hillary was at 51%, and it was before Snipergate. Obama may yet win PA if Hillary's gaffe continues to snowball. Remember -- lies or delusions? Or does that level of exaggeration of what happened in a publicly verifiable event -- going to the core of your claim to electability -- deserve a free pass?

I'm not holding my breath for a win in PA. The demographics were just made for her. But BS-nia gate should help and he should be able to get to those single digits he wants.

Yep, she comes off as a phony. Several weeks ago, one of Obama's supporters (McPeak, I think) said that her trip to Bosnia was not that dangerous and that she went with Sheryl Crow and Sinbad. At that point, she had plenty of time to come up with some believable spin; she should have known that the subject would come up.

About a week later was Sinbad’s interview. Following that, she HAD to know she would be asked about Bosnia and that Sinbad’s comments mocking the danger would be mentioned. Yet with two stories, McPeak’s and Sinbad’s floating around for a couple of weeks, she still goes out and tells a flat-out lie. When she gets caught, she pretends sleep deprivation was the cause, notwithstanding that she told similar tales on two earlier occasions.

I am not sure if it is simply hard for her to tell the truth, if she think that people will believe it and when the video of her on the tarmac comes out the damage will be less than the benefit of the first lie being believed, or if there is some other bizarre calculus at work. Sniper-gate has caused her poll numbers to drop near freezing. I think Richard Nixon could beat her right about now. That would not be too bad, he'd be a better President this time around on account of the fact that he is dead (and don't believe that liar if he tells you "I am not a corpse").


As for Hillary's claims of experience, take a look at this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwLaCb07lAs

PS counts only if Hillary wins there. Otherwise the only upcoming Primary that counts is the one in Guam. Why is the Democratic party even counting delegates from states that Hillary did not win? Do they not know that the only states, delegates, and supporters that count are those that support Hillary?

Seriousely though... The queen has no clothes.

Eric,
I spoke with the election director in Durham County. He said that there were alot of republicans switching their registration to "unaffiliated" so that they could vote in the Democratic primary.

He said that they want to have a say in who our next president will be.

Do remember that NC has not carried a Democratic candidate in the electoral votes since Carter.

I dont know how much more progressive we are in these past few years. We have alot of right winger US congressmen and senators.

Also, NC is part of Rush Limbaugh's operation chaos, and yes he has alot of listeners. My next door neighbor (84) thinks he is next to God.

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North Carolina is a very different place than it was in 1976. It's even very different from 2000. The number of registered republicans has dropped about 8 percent since 2004 whereas the number of democrats has risen by about 10%. That started to happen long before Rush's "operation chaos."

Also, it's one thing to just go out and vote in the democratic party to cause chaos. It's quite another to change registration one month ahead and then vote to do so. Too much trouble. Also, the Republicans are convinced that they can kill Obama with this Wright stuff (I disagree) so they're probably not too worried.

Nobody would be more excited about an Obama win in PA than me. However, short of some type of implosion in the Clinton camp, it's not gonna happen. She'll probably win PA with more or less the same margin she won Ohio. Obama will win NC by a little less than 10 pts.

Unless a sizable traunch of superdelegates show public support for Obama, I think this thing will limp into the convention, where Obama will probably win on the first round.

If Obama wins by more than 10 pts in NC and at least ten Supers support Obama in the same week, then perhaps Clinton will concede. At that point she may be looking for an "out" to save herself the embarrassment of losing at the convention.

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