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Poll: Majority Doesn't Believe Obama Shares Wright's Views

A new poll from Fox News, the first major poll taken since Barack Obama's big speech on race relations, shows that the effect of the Jeremiah Wright flap might not be so bad after all.

By a 57%-24% margin, registered votes do not believe that Obama shares Wright's controversial views. The internals show only 17% of Democrats saying Obama shares Wright's ideas, along with 20% of independents and 36% of Republicans.

Fox also asked respondents whether they had doubts about Obama because of his association with Wright. The results: 35% Yes, 54% No, with the numbers standing at 26%-66% for Democrats, 27%-61% among independents, and 56%-33% with Republicans.


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Who are these piece of shit Democrats, that is my question. Are they just hardcore Hillary supporters who use any excuse to hate Obama and trash him in a survey, or are they seriously that ignorant?

My two cents: People who worry about the Wright comments were prone to dislike Obama to begin with. The people who are on the fence can still come back to like him.

Obama did well with his speech, and the more people who see clips of it, the better he looks. If Obama can run a good campaign from here on to the end of the primaries, with no more bombshells, he can hold off Hillary. Actually, the long time between now and the final primary in June will give him enough time to win the superdelegates, while maintaining a lead in pledged delegates, if narrower.


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Bingo. I know some of these Hillary supporters you are talking about.

Fox likes to call Obama racist and continue to bring up the Rev. Wright dust-up.

Let's Democrats return a little fire.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050620/blumenthal

Seems like Hannity's a little boy throwing stones from a Glass Castle.


As for the poll. Fox is dead to me. I believe in freedom of speech, for all points of view. But that freedom also allows the right for all of us to stop paying any attention to them or their sponsors too...

I'd almost rather see Sean Hannity's career go down in flames than see a Democrat elected.

Almost.

Here's to hoping you can get both.

Obama / Webb '08

...and Sean Hannity working the 4am Radio shift in Anchorage Alaska (sorry Alaska, he has to go somewhere)

Baby, you've got it! If Obama and his team could clean out this rat's den of hypocrites, thieves, and freaks...we would be "dancing in the streets!"

Check out Obama's blog post on the Fox shenanigans. He provides the email address to complain. I complained, but I know it will come to nothing.

So I protest silently by refusing to watch Fox news which is the only American cable news I can get in Sydney.

Deep sigh.

You don't get CNN International? I could usually find them on TV anywhere in Europe...

Arg. Sorry about that. We were in the same situation living in Thailand, with Murdoch's SkyTV, I think it was called, which had Fox and some Aussie news. 99% of the time, I watched the Aussie news, until I got starved for American news, and watched Fox for about ten minutes until I could stomach it no further. Finally, another provider came into the area -- with CNN and other good stuff -- for less. We dumped Rupert in a heartbeat.
Bite me, Rupe.

If Obama can bounce back from this, a crisis of career-destroying proportions... fully bounce back...

Then hell, he isn't just Teflon-coated. He's found Ronald Reagan's Teflon-plated armor.

Let's hear it idiotic.

This depresses me - I realized there has been very little for idiotic to make his/her snarky posts about in the last week.

Cool (and this is from Fox).

BY the middle of next week the polls with reverse themselves.

"... .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. ... .." - Senator Barack Obama

Wow, I am glad Obama is finally revealing his true opinions on race. I for one as a "typical white person" take offense. I do not care who walks down the street, I treat people the same, as memebers of the "Human Race" Obama has clearly been influenced by Rev Wright and SHARES HIS VIEWS!!! I believe the minute Obama threw his Grandmother under the bus, it effectively ended his chances to be President.

You are lying through your teeth. But that's what Hillary supporters do.

"You are lying through your teeth. But that's what Hillary supporters do."

What I am doing is using Obama's own words to paint a clear picture of his opinions. That is called telling the truth.


I for one as a "typical white person" take offense. I do not care who walks down the street, I treat people the same, as memebers of the "Human Race" Obama has clearly been influenced by Rev Wright and SHARES HIS VIEWS!!! I believe the minute Obama threw his Grandmother under the bus, it effectively ended his chances to be President.
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Great, you've found the all caps key. Other than that, you're rhetoric is stupendously unconvincing, and I say that as another typical white person. I really don't see how he's "thrown his grandmother under the bus" but then maybe you're one of those people who's hysterically imploring us to "remember the children" when you're hyperventilating about his grandma.

If you think there aren't many people (both black and white) who don't have reflexive feelings about race well, I think you're living in some Disney fantasy land. The point is they're reflexive and not to let them dictate your overall behavior, that's the reason to bring this up, to recognize, to defuse, and to move beyond this thinking. But not to deny that it exists. You're really having trouble seeing the woods for the trees.

I could care less about people who see people as anything but people in this day and age. I judge people individually for who they are. I always thought most people do the same nowadays. A lot of who they are comes from those who they choose as mentors. Rev Wright is clearly a very poor one to listen to advice from for the last 20 years. I also found his sudden use of the words Hoodwinked, Bamboozled, and Okey Dokey, to be very troubling, as if a Harvard grad used those racist words. Obama obviously spends a lot of time looking at the world thru a racial lense.
Convenient that his Grandmother is not around to respond after her Grandson called her a racist and cpompared her to the hateful Rev Wright.

Then you are truly unique. Congratulations. Unfortunately, there are other people in this country (me, everyone I know, Obama's grandmother) who are not so enlightened. Please allow us a little peace in spite of our ignorance.

Thanks.

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In this very day and age the "typical White person" still doesn't socialize with the "typical Black person."

Some people don't want to recognize this and like to believe that all the race problems have been solved; but this is a racially divided country.

As a "typical White person," how many dinner-parties, barbacues, weddings, graduations, funerals... of "typical Black people" do you regularly attend (and vice versa)?

I dedicate this question to you dembillc, since you say that you "treat people the same, as memebers of the "Human Race". If we are all the same, members of the "Human Race" how is it so rare that we share the same spaces and venues in our private lives?

Did you ever consider that perhaps you're the one who isn't sharing your life with white friends? I'm a typical white person and not only do I share my life with white, black, oriental etc.... friends, my family happens to be made up of multiple races and origins. So maybe Yours and Obama's perception of "Typical White Person" is the one that is flawed.

I do not care who walks down the street, I treat people the same, as memebers of the "Human Race"

I call bullshit.

But then again, your post wasn't actually meant to reveal truth, was it. You can sit there all day and assert things about your personality WITHOUT REGARD to how truthful they are, because you're anonymous and you know none of us could ever actually prove or disprove your statements.

No, your post was intended to assert something of questionable truthfulness about yourself in order to set up a platform from which to attack Obama, for no other reason than you look as far and wide as you possibly can for ANY reason to attack Obama.

If it weren't Wright, it would be something else. You couldn't care less what Obama's views on race are; you simply need a reason to attack him.

Another 'typical' white person here, someone who grew up in a small rural Ohio town where the only black person I saw until I went to college was the barber.

What Obama describes about his grandmother's reactions is-- or was -- pretty typical of a white person from a certain era. It's just the truth. Those attitudes were everywhere, out in the open, and not just in the south. And he's allowed to say this about his grandmother, because she's HIS GRANDMOTHER. He's got a certain standing and expertise, if you get my drift.

If McCain made a "typical" comment about someone who wasn't a relative, it just wouldn't be the same. Same thing for whats-her-name.

Not that I think you came here to debate anything, but still...

Pagining Idiotic... Idiotic, your presence is requested.

you need to reword the title of this post. Its confusing. It ought to be "Majority Believes Obama DOES NOT Share Wright's views." The way you have it written makes it seem like the majority does not believe Obama...

I'd like to start a poll that says "What would you rather be polled about: important issues for the country OR a pastor that Obama knows

This jives with my personal experience, talking to independent and Republican friends. And other Democrats. It also shows why, besides the one Gallup tracking poll (which is already closing back up), all other (I think 6 or 7) polls taken over this week--the worst of Obama's campaign--have shown him STILL ahead of Clinton. I think the race speech will further help cement that. Which basically means that, combined with the math of the process, he really can't lose this thing.

The only dispiriting thing has been Obama's numbers against McCain, but that's to be expected given the situation of the two. Come May or June Obama will take this thing and have almost half-a-year to tie McCain to Bush. I just wish the Democratic Party would have some balls to either end this thing or get out there and trash McCain on a daily basis. Where's that been??

I can't figure out how to post a cartoon, but here's my reply:

http://www.sj-r.com/Opinion/stories/27075.asp

damn.

That cartoon is spot-on.

Kudos.

Some times a cartoon is a worth a thousand words.

Sad part is, some of the comments on the comic assert that point of view is no longer relevant.

Luckily, several other commenters cite specific RECENT instances where Jim Crow and other KKK-type behavior still goes on to this day.

Granted, these instances are rare and nothing like the institutional racism that once existed, but to say this perspective is no longer relevant is... ignorant, at least.

These poll results are hopeful, but nothing will happen suddenly. This simply means that, by his moving speech, Obama opened the door for people to understand his views and his position. But even as he focuses major speeches on substantive economic and foreign policy, he will have to, as he continues to do, address the Wright matter in a humanly understandable way through interviews with reporters, etc. What Obama is doing, though, is modelling how Democrats and Independents can begin to turn the tide in our political discourse -- and he is also modelling how the Democratic Party can be authentic in bridging its racial divisions. Either Obama or Clinton will have a surprisingly tough general election, especially after six more weeks of Democratic infighting, but the Obama struggle is so much more worth fighting to build the Democratic Party of the future. He is showing he has the grace and toughness and throughtfulness and profound intelligence to be worth fighting for, and with. What more can one ask for in a presidential candidate? Theda S., Cambridge, MA

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57-24? Weak.

And anyway, the problem isn't that people might get scared of Wrights' views, but rather that some democrats might be scared that other people will think that.

That's why primaries are prone to over-reaction. People look at every little thing and worry how those are going to look to other people, not whether or not they care themselves.

And btw, why does TPM re-ask for my password if I don't comment for 20 minutes? Annoying as friggin' hell.

I have the same problem. It is quite annoying.

Also, my password doesn't work when I try to log in at the 'post comment' box.

Awesome, JUST AWESOME!

But for some reason, I am looking at David mother fucking Gregory push this and push and push right now on MSNBC! He has a self declared racist republican on there too, Joe Scarborough? just to bounce ideas off of him.

Tuned it off of course.

LOL - I am watching the same thing and they just played a Wright clip...Again!
This is getting ridiculous!

Write them an e-mail and bitch at them! I did yesterday.

Makes me miss Tucker. Tells you how bad it is

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It's possible that there's an irony here. Those who are regular church goers might be those most likely to have had a close relationship with a priest, pastor or rabbi who also shares views with which they disagree.

People certainly do church shop but they also don't leave a congregation every time they have a disagreement with the priest or pastor.

OMG ! I am so glad someone else thought that.
When people first started to get in a frenzy about this, I sent an email around suggesting that the reason the media was covering this like they did was because most the journalists are big-city areligious elites and that people in the heartland probably would react way differently.
I always have thought it was quite condescending for this to be covered as if "Red America" people would "not get the speech" and "the Wright videos would play to their prejudices".

Could it be that Obama DOES prove everyone that Americans are smarter than people assume ?

wonder how the Muslim smear is polling now.

You know who I would like to talk to ? The 2% of Blacks who said they now had doubts about Obama because of Wright.
Talk about convoluted.

Why is it that there is NO TALK about Hillary's involvement with a group that--at least to people on the Left--makes Wright look nowhere near so bad?

Hillary is a member of 'The Family,' a right-wing fundamentalist religious organization base in D.C. They are appalling; she is deeply involved in it.

This is something that simply puts the lie to Hillary Clinton's being to the left of center.

And it raises LOTS of questions about what she stands for, and who she is affiliated with.

Why?

Because hopefully we Democrats are smart enough to realize that IF Hillary wins the election, we don't want to give ammunition to McCain. While we VERY MUCH are pissed off that Ms. Clinton filmed campaign commercials for McCain, we Obama supporters should not be willing to throw our fellow democrats under the bus.

If the media runs with that story and if it explodes, we should handle it (respect where it's due) like Hillary handled the Wright situation. We shouldn't say anything.

But the last thing we should do is help the Right-wing smear machine hurt a fellow Dem, even if we're not really happy with their campaign tactics...

You know who I would like to talk to ? The 2% of Blacks who said they now had doubts about Obama because of Wright.
If that's not post-racial, i don't know what is.

Btw how ironic is it that the Republicans are going to try to kneecap the potential first AA President by claiming he is a .... RACIST ?
Is that, like, self-parody ?

So, wait; does that mean he's only racist against his mother's family?

"Wow, I am glad Obama is finally revealing his true opinions on race. I for one as a "typical white person" take offense. "


Obama is candidly talking about race.

As opposed to the hypocrisy of the media which uses it and plays with it but refuses to discuss it maturely.

Sort of like yourself.

Obasma is gave us all a lecture on race, which did nothing to explain his close 20 year relationship, to the Rev Wright. The thought of Obama being elected president and inviting his best friend anti american Rev Wright to stay in the Lincoln bedroom makes my skin crawl. I for one do not think teh country is a racially divided as Barck and his buddy Rev Wright. Of course I am not a racist.

Of course you are not smart either.

That would be called ignorance.

'Who are these piece of shit Democrats, that is my question. Are they just hardcore Hillary supporters who use any excuse to hate Obama and trash him in a survey, or are they seriously that ignorant?"

HRC supporters.

From what I've seen, a small minority are very bitter and resentful. Not sure why exactly, since Obama is winning fair and square.


I agree with the comment made that if Obama can bounce back from this -- truly remarkable. Talk about a "Comeback Kid"!

"Why is it that there is NO TALK about Hillary's involvement with a group that--at least to people on the Left--makes Wright look nowhere near so bad?"

That's a good question.

It's almost as if every crazy white religious sect gets a pass. But if they're black, it's 24-7 replay on FoxNews.

A hightech lynching, to borrow a phrase.

The HRC religion is called the Fellowship, and John Ashcroft is a member, where is JOSH on covering this?!

The fundamentals are what matter in possible general election match-ups. And, on that score, Obama kills Clinton...

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/obama_v_mccain_and_v_clinton_b.php

I wonder how the fact that McCain sought out Hagee's hatemongering self is going to get played in the media.

He was asked about his grandmother's reaction to his potentially being president.


"She's extremely proud," he said. "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she's a typical white person who — if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know — there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that."

Link to audio clip:

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.a...c-690d61794d50

As a typical white person, I'm not sure how to take that!

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Oh, you know how you take it. In the light least flattering to Obama.

"But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know..."

The problem with transcripts of conversations is conveying grammatical nuance accurately. Did Obama want to use a restrictive relative clause and thereby say that a typical white person is someone who has a knee-jerk reaction to another race, or did he want to use a non-restrictive relative clause, thereby describing his grandmother as a typical white person, but is someone who has (or had) a knee-jerk reaction to another race? This is very important to understand Obama's true meaning; unfortunately it's very hard to accurately convey using standard composition conventions, and one can never know for sure, really, unless one views the tape and there's a noticeable pause between "person" and "who".

That said, one can safely assume his supporters will say he meant the latter and his detractors will say he meant the former.

You might want to read the poll numbers in the article. Apparently, you're not typical at all.

This part is interesting for another reason:

"She's extremely proud," he said. "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she's a typical white person who — if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know — there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it.

And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that."

This is part of what drove me nuts when I first heard about Wright: By taking his kids to that racist church and exposing them constantly to that type of hate speech since they were toddlers, I doubt that he helped promote less racist attitudes in their life by doing that. They will no doubt carry that attitude forward.

Do you think that this ever even crossed his mind when he took his kids there?

If not, that's bad judgment.
If so, that's bad judgment.

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Yes RaeK, totally racist. Guess this guy, the president of the UCC, is just another black racist too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYla5xdPTUg

That "guy" was a visiting pastor. He probably never heard Wright preaching the way he normally did.

Do you think that this ever even crossed his mind when he took his kids there?

If not, that's bad judgment.
If so, that's bad judgment.

Apparently, you command your children to swallow everything anyone ever tells them, and you make absolutely no effort to teach them to distinguish good ideas and good morals from bad ones.

Right? EVERY parent does that. Right? Because that's what you're accusing Obama of.

If you have children, I feel sorry for them.

Of course you teach them. So are you saying that after each Sunday's teaching and hearing "the Word" from their pastor/spiritual advisor, that Barack or Michelle then went home and explained to the kids, "don't pay any mind to what our crazy pastor says"??

Of course you teach them. So are you saying that after each Sunday's teaching and hearing "the Word" from their pastor/spiritual advisor, that Barack or Michelle then went home and explained to the kids, "don't pay any mind to what our crazy pastor says"??

That WOULD be what I'm saying, wouldn't it, if the only thing Wright ever said was the crap being replayed over and over on TV. But it wasn't.

Observe the nuance available here: When and if a pastor in their church would say something Obama or Michelle don't agree with, they'd teach their children to recognize that, and why, they disagree.

The problem is, _every_single_complaint_ against Wright or Obama's church, or Obama for staying at that church, is predicated on the notion that what we see Wright saying in those clips is the ONLY thing that church stood for, and the ONLY thing ANY pastor in that church ever says.

That is a completely unfounded and absolutely wrong assumption. Obama's church stands for much, much more, and it is THAT he is exposing his children to, and that is the reason he stays.

More people approve of George W. Bush than believe this smear campaign -- 30% by Fox's own poll.

Put a fork in it. This story is done.

These poll numbers seem to suggest something shocking in today's political environment: Americans are actually capable of holding nuanced beliefs!

I know, it's unbelievable. It seems that voters are "people" with "brains" which don't explode when confronted with "shades of grey".

Truly mindblowing to the wonk class.

Well, if you want someone to name names (or at least nyms), Matthew Weaver, RaeK, kefa . . .

I'm a typical white person and I sympathize with Senator Obama's grandmother. She was born and raised in an era that taught that black people were different and should not mix with white people.

"Typical" covers a broad spectrum.

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Interestingly enough, when I look at the ministries at Trinity Church, I don't see a "hate-whitey-ministry"

I do see ministries that...
Support those affected by cancer
Support those affected by HIV-AIDS
Offers professional counselors to people and families in crisis
Supports people in recovery
Supports victims of abuse
Feeds the homeless on a regular basis
Cares for the mentally/physically challenged
Minister to inmates on a weekly basis
teach kids to read
cares for seniors


So, this is a church that has an afro-centric view of Christianity, is deeply involved in helping people, and had a 66 year old pastor that has black power style beliefs of the United States and used incindiary language.

Interestingly enough, my Pastor last night claimed that Russia will lead Islamic nations to destroy Israel and that anywhere in the world where there is Islam there is violence. A fairly typical Wednesday night sermon in the bible belt. My last Preacher - in a church with 9,000 members - claimed that God blessed the Iraq war because it allowed Christian missionaries into Iraq. Sermons about how homosexuality and abortion are going tobring/already have brought God's wrath down on America are also common place.

Jeremiah Wright is right in place with alot of very talented, very flawed, very myopic religious leaders in this country. I think the biggest reason that this is so startingling to many folks is that they have never heard Christian literalist political views filtered through a black power leftist lens instead of a zionist rightist lens.

EASTER TIME! Time for families to come together and discuss!

Insider Advantage poll:

If you heard Obama's major speech on race, are you more or less likely to vote for him?

More likely - 19%
Less likely - 52%
About the same - 27%

The most talked about thing on the street (that I hear) is how disrespectful Obama was to throw his grandmother under the bus.

Brand new from Survey USA

Minnesota
Obama 46%
McCain 47%

Massachusetts
Obama 47%
McCain 47%

OHIO
McCain 50%
Obama 43%

NO DEMOCRAT WILL WIN AN ELECTION IF THEY HAVE TO SPEND ONE DAY OR ONE DIME ON MASSACHUSETTS.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A MONDALE-LIKE DEFEAT WITH OBAMA.

Easter is this weekend and families across the country will gather together and discuss this matter. I expect to see these poll numbers continue their nose dive. I will eagerly await the daily tracking polls to come out startin Tues. or Wed.

Someone pointed out that its probably going to go down more like a Dukakis defeat. Mondale carried only DC and Minnesota (his home state and did it with less than 4,000 votes). Dukakis "managed" to win 10 states.

Still, a tragic, humiliating defeat. And we're headed for it. IF Obama is the nominee...

MKyleM You are misrepresenting the poll.

The poll asked people who knew about the controversy and the speech: “Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president?”

The people who knew about the contoversy and the speech is not the same as the people who actually heard the speech. And the total effect of the controvery and the speech is negative because it includes the negatives associated with the contoversy itself and isn't describing the speech itself as a negative.

MKyleM: What an unseemly joy you appear to take at the attack on Obama by the right wing smear machine (the mention of Easter is especially piquant). Your gloating suggests that if HRC isn't the democratic nominee, you'll positively enjoy watching the defeat of a progressive candidate by the forces of hate and division.

The general election is a long way off, and if it's going to be decided on marginal issues like Jeremiah Wright, rather than questions like whether our country should stay bogged down in Iraq for at least the next eight years, then we are all in very deep trouble. Fortunately, the generally positive reaction to Obama's speech suggests that he may be able to defuse attacks like this in a way that Democrats like Dukakis and Kerry were never able to. I would add that I am skeptical of Hillary Clinton's ability to do the same. Not only do her closets contain far more skeletons, but her response to such attacks, composed about equally of defiance and denial, will help make mincemeat of her once Fox News and the rest of the whole sick crew train their sights on her. You want a Dukakis-style defeat in November, she's your candidate....

Obama, disrespect his grandma? Na, he's just begun referring to her as the "typical white person"....

From Jake Tapper, head obamaphile, ABC News:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-talks-mor.html

Obama - Irreparably Damaged Goods and it just gets worse...

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Ok, I hate polls and don't believe them generally. However, this poll really, really makes me proud to be an american for the 1st/2nd time in my life. I am really shocked. The fact that it is a fox poll is totally icing on the cake. Holy cow!!!! Maybe america has really changed. Wow!

I feel that hope bubbling up again big time. I am shocked that these are the numbers now. His speech really hit people in the heart. I am in awe. The man is a true leader and people like this come along once in 50 years or more. Please supers put a stop to this joke of a primary now so that we can win in November. Please!!!!!

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By the way, thank you Eric for this post. You made my day and last week big time. Thank you.

Please see the G D America speech of Jeremiah Wright sermon in a fuller context. The sermon's intent was not adequately expressed in the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Context is critical.

Idiotic is on international world tour. I've spotted him all over the net at various blogs and newspapers. He's reached a critical mass of "Where's Waldo?" proportions.

Teflon, baby.

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Very funny and absolutely. I think we may have a dem b-movie actor. I still can't believe these poll numbers. Awesome!!!!

I'm with you guys. I don't believe a damned thing FOX puts out. FOX is obviously trying to trick us into thinking Obama still has a chance. Frankly, as a "typical white person", Hillary is my man.

How many more "bombshells from Obama" will it take before the media stops fawning all over him?

Most of us are thoroughly disgusted and fatigued with the "blathering "we love Obama' pundits" - who treat the public as though they are deaf dumb and blind; and totally incapable of making a sound decision... without having what they've heard and seen with their own eyes and ears... translated for them... by a bunch of pretentious blowhards who believe they are the only ones whose brains are working. Well rest assured the public is getting their message big time!

Anymore pro Obama media bias and I'm going to throw up.

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