can we stick to posting polls when the fluctuations are outside the margin of error? I mean, as much as anyone else, I find it extremely important to read 1 to 2 posts a day dedicated to the fact that Hillary is up by 16 in PA. However, others might find it...a waste of time. If it is Hillary up by 23, or Hillary up by 5, or Obama up... then it is a story.

I've given up.

This contest will not be decided by polls, Obama has won, and if it takes until the convention before anyone accepts that, so be it.

The real story is that Hillary is stuck at 51% with the effort and time they have put in PA and inspite of the hit Obama has taken this week.

If you really think Obama will get less than 45% of the vote in PA. Think again.

16 points is not the margin Senator Clinton needs. She needs a 20 point lead in every remaining state and Michigan and Florida to tie in pledged delegates. She needs 26 points everywhere if Michigan and Florida are off the table.

See this and weep, obamabots:

New poll out from Rasmussen.

Clinton: 55, Obama: 27, Undecided: 18

Clinton viewed favorably by 72%, Obama 53%

More at: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/west_virginia/west_vir ginia_democratic_presidential_primary

Someone at MyDD just looked at Rasmussenreports state tracking polls its sad.Obama is now behind McCain in NJ,Penn.,OH.,Mich,Mo.all the Southwest with Colorado going for McCain and they just took NH of going Dem. to leaning with Obama the nominee Oh yea add Maine and Virginia all the southern states to that list for McCain with Obama at the helm it is now looking like a landslide for McCain.

Disclaimer: This is most plagerized from MyDD to make Obamabots' lives here miserable. LOL!!!

Thanks for posting the change from the last poll. (I'd prefer the exact date of the poll, but beggars can't be choosers.) What I can't figure is how Obama's favorables drop 10 points and he still gains 3 points. Did F&M start pushing undecideds?

While this poll isn't great news, we Obamabots can take solace from the penultimate paragraph in the article.

The silver lining to Obama's otherwise bleak outlook in Pennsylvania could be that Clinton, even if her lead holds up, is not likely to significantly erode Obama's lead in pledged delegates because of the complex formula Democrats use to award them, Madonna said.

hillary is doing great! go hillary!

There has been recent posts about the sudden increase in the "angry" and mean-spirited pro-Hillary supporters here and on other websites.
In doing my own review of multiple sites,etc. - I agree with this.

Not sure if this is a concentrated effort, or who is REALLY behind it - but, to those who read and share opinions about your canidate (whoever it is ) on this site and others, just be aware there are some sad individuals out there whos only purpose is to demean and divide. These warped people are only hoping to cause disruption and resentment. PLEASE dont allow yourself to be "baited" into that arena. Call them out,(so others can know their intent) and move on....... There is A LOT of wonderful insight and ideas shared on this site (from all sides), and I hope THAT is the type of SUBSTANCE that elects our next president.

I really think we are at a point in this campaign where everyone needs to take a seat on the bench for a few minutes, have a drink of water, and towel off. Obama made the speech he had to make, and, yes, he's taking a hit in polling right now, which is to be expected, but I expect that to change in the next few days when the post-speech polls appear. Pennsylvania is still literally a month away, and Obama will probably close the gap, especially in the wake that much of Hillary's "experience" claims are now being shown to be rather empty with the release of White House records, as well as her support for NAFTA, which I imagine will not go over well with Pennsylvania voters. Obama is probably not going to win Pennsylvania, but he will probably close the gap to 8-10 points, and, if he does that, the game is effectively over, no matter how hard the Clinton campaign tries to spin it.

Also, McCain is getting a free pass right now, but I expect the press with start their real vetting process of him this summer, and I imagine that many voters will not like they find, and I expect Obama to regain the advantage in states where he's taking hits right now. All Obama has to do is run a commercial with a loop of McCain saying "100 years in Iraq" or one where Lieberman has to correct him. The contrast Tuesday was rather stunning between Obama and McCain with Obama looking very presidential and in complete command of a difficult moment, while McCain looked, let's face it, rather old. Plus, this election is going to be about the economy, and McCain really has nothing to offer. Let's make the Bush tax cuts permanent? That's it? 100 years in Iraq? Where's Al-Queda? Game over. Obama wins.

Hoping for a mass exodus of super delegates from the Obama camp is all HRC supporters have left. There is nothing else left for them. It's the longest of mathematical long shots, yet they hang on and continue to drag Obama through the mud on their way down.

Hillary's hanging off the edge of the building and she's holding onto Obama's shirt, and she's ripping it! Hillary, let go of Obama's shirt!

To the Hillary trolls .....
get real --- its now clear that the clinton high rollers want to buy her an election in michigan and florida -- that is democracy? what banana republic are you from?

Hillary wants Florida and Michigan to have a say in the election Barack Doesn't. Hillary has offered revote in Michigan and Obama has tried to obstruct that vote yet again.

Thats pretty clear to me.

So if the DNC seats the Florida and Michigan delegates AS IS I think the Obama folks better not cry too hard...

Clinton on the ticket is toxic in November. Period. The ease with which HRC supporters cut-and-paste right-wing talking points would be terrifying were it not so, um, ironic. I can't wait for Malkin's endorsement of Clinton in the General. Right.

This may be weird for a political junkie to say, but our political media has always been fixated on the "horse race" nature of political campaigns. Of course, it's fun, but we cannot say emphatically in March how Ohio is going to vote in November, just because one candidate hits a pothole in the road for a few days and suddenly we're all Chicken Littles saying the sky is falling and John McCain is the next president. At this point in 1992 and even later in that spring, Bill Clinton was actually running third in polls behind GHWB and Ross Perot (remember him?) but then won comfortably in November. As I said earlier, yes McCain has gotten a bump this week, because of Obama's flat tire over Rev. Wright's comments. But he has fixed that tire in rather dramatic and even profound fashion this week, and I expect him to fully recover and be an even better candidate because of it. This election is going to be about the economy, and the Republicans, especially John McCain, have absolutely NO ideas to bring to table to improve things, other than their mantra of tax cuts. I know McCain has appeal, and I'm not minimizing that at all, but an election based on economic issues is not one he can win, and he knows it. And come the fall campaign, voters will know it as well.

So is the Florida debacle being heard in the court system?

Look, nobody wants anyone to be disenfranchised, but at the expense of a fair revote- I don't think so. If it is not going to be a fair re-vote then the it is tainted, unworthy, unfounded etc.

This is a lesson for the DNC, perhaps change primary laws/rules/regulations for the future, but you can't just approve a revote without analysis etc. and making sure it is done fairly and democratically because this whole debacle is turning the tables on what was already decided, agreed upon. I wish the Democratic Party was a shining example of justice, truth, etc. But politics are politics, mistakes were made, people didn't think too far ahead. Those leaders in FL and MI who did this should be asked to resign (who decided to move up primary).I wouldn't be surprised if it was planned to happen like this.