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Poll: Hillary Expanding Her Lead In Ohio

The new poll of Ohio from Public Policy Polling (D) shows Hillary Clinton increasing her lead for tomorrow's primary. The numbers, compared to last week's:

Clinton 51% (+1)
Obama 42% (-4)

From the internals: Hillary leads 59%-34% among whites, with Obama ahead 75%-18% with African-Americans. Hillary has a 54%-38% lead with women voters, while men are statistically tied at 47% to Obama and 46% for Hillary.

Another key stat: Obama isn't doing as well here among young voters as he usually does. He only wins 18-29 year olds by 49%-46%, and Hillary wins 30-45 year olds 48%-44%.


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Being that you are a careful journalist, I am sure you noticed the crosstabs indicate that only 10% of the responders are independants.
No way this is the proportion of this Obama-leaning group on Election Day.

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CRAP! Why do I feel like we were so close to having this thing in-hand and it's slipping away again...

Wow, he dropped 4 pts since last week? That surprises me. It will be interesting to see how tomorrow's actual results compare to these recent polls.

Oh and I am also sure you took note the poll was taken on a Saturday and Sunday which, as proven many times during the campaign, understates tremendously Obama's support which are people that not usually home to answer poll questions on week-ends.

Just sayin'.

Why in the world would Obama people be less likely to spend their weekends at home than Clinton supporters?

Because Clinton's base is disproportionately older. Younger folks are more likely to be out and about on a weekend than are older folks.

I guess I can see that. Wouldn't the same hold for evening polls too though?

Probably. In other words, all of these polls are likely undercounting his support to some extent. This seems to be borne out in the election data, where often-as-not, of late he has outperformed the polls.

Not in a significant manner during the week. Most people are home at night, you know ? lol

For one (and I am sure someone smarter than me could expand on that widely reported fact), Obama's key demographics (wealthier people and youngsters) are more likely to be out on week-end evenings which is when pollsters conduct their polls.
And inversely, elderly people are more likely to be disproportionately at home at those times.

I didn't realize it was evenings on weekends. Given the combination there, I definitely agree with you.

I'm a little more iffy on weekend daytimes, but I do see some truth the argument.

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I'm going to link to a blog who is predicting that Clinton will narrowly carry Ohio in the popular vote, but Obama will pick up the majority of the delegates. I just started reading his blog but evidently this guy is traveling all over the country and his predictions have been pretty spot-on. He hasn't made a prediction yet in Texas (his commenters are waiting with baited breath!)

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=809

It will be interesting to see how close he is tomorrow nite. He also says that Ohio results won't be finalized until very late Tuesday nite or even into Wednesday morning, which will keep Clinton from claiming victory on election nite. If Obama carries Texas and Vermont (and perhaps even Rhode Island), his contention is that the media will be focusing on those results and not on Ohio.

It's going to be a very interesting Tuesday evening! :)

His name is Al Giordano. He's been around forever but lives in Latin America now, where he writes about the war on drugs. He's a fabulous reporter. His election coverage is unmatched.

Could one say that if the poll is taken M-F most Clinton supporters are at work and unable to answer?

Just askin'.

No, because those polls are conducted in evenings, whether during the week or the weekend

maybe polls are taken in the evening, so going to work might not come into play, but going out might count.

just maybe, I really don't know.

No. If you listen to the press its obvious that every single one of Hilary's supporters in Ohio are unemployed because of NAFTA. Therefore the polls must be overstating her support.

Southern Ohio votes much more like Alabama than it does like Wisconsin. That will be big factor. Beware of the polls from that area of Ohio. They will say that they willl vote for Obama at about a 10% higher rate than they will actually do so, in the privacy of the voting booth.

You all know why that is.

Are you saying Ohio doesn't count?

No. That is not what I am saying. All States count, regardless of what Hillery claims. What I am saying is that I expect Senator Clinton to carry Ohio tomorrow over Senator Obama, and for Senator McCain to carry Ohio in November over Senator Obama.

I've predicting a good win for Obama in Texas and a narrow win for Hillary in Ohio, tomorrow. This should compel Hillary to drop out of the race, although the media would like to have this contest going for ever.

Just can't let that go can you liam. I will say one more time that the only demographic that shows voting based on race is African Americans. They are voting 9 to 1 in favor of Obama. Before you call me a racist let me just say that these are the facts. You only agitate people with your comment, it does not help anyone in anyway.

African Americans have always voted in that ratio for the White Democrats, so that just shows them following a similar pattern, and should Hillary get the nomination, they will vote for her in similar fashion, so that dog of yours will not hunt. Also, if white voters have been so fair minded, how do you explain that a people who are 13% of the population hold only one percent of US Senate seats, and that One Senator is actually half white.

On the other hand, there is a documented history of whites in southern and border states at a much lower percentage than the polls had them doing. Did you catch Sixty Minutes last night. If you did, you would have gotten an inkling about what is about to happen in Southern Ohio tomorrow.

For the record. You just set up a straw man. You have always being openly for Hillary, so how does my observations in any way label you a racist? I said that a greater number of people will tell pollsters that they are going to vote for Senator Obama than actually will. Are you claiming that you are one of those people, because I alway read your posts as you being an open Hillary supporter. Have you being lying to us, or to some pollsters. Which is it!

I was hoping Obama would wrap things up on Tuesday, but maybe its karmic justice that he gets killed in Ohio for his completely bullshit demagoguery of the NAFTA issue. 'New kind of politics', by a**.

He's clearly in the free trade camp and rightly so. Ohio's problem is that they can't create any new jobs. Having rapid anti-tax fetishists as governors for 16 years didn't help things. It takes money to invest in education, research, etc.... Would it have killed him to tell people the hard truth about trade and their job losses?

Obama, a very ordinary kind of politician, deserves a very ordinary ass kicking in Ohio.

In the Ohio polling, we've actually witnessed Obama's momentum surge powerfully forward, gradually slow down, come to a dead stop, and now begin to fall back. I sense the same thing may be happening in Texas, though a little less perceptibly. Surprising? Well, considering that Obama's outspent Hilliary 2 to 1, I'd say downright astonishing. I sense a bad night for Obama (3 losses, 1 win) and a long, bloody battle ahead. If either one of these candidates emerges the nominee, it'll be on crutches.

Dark horses, anyone?

I think that this is more pessimistic than is warranted. I guess we will see tomorrow evening, but I expect that Obama will still win TX and (who knows) maybe even OH. The polls predicted a narrow victory for him in WI and instead he won in a lopsided, double-digit margin. As such, even polls predicting a narrow loss in OH could presage a narrow win. I agree that the race is unlikely to end on March 5, but I am not sure that I see signs betokening quite the doom which you are forecasting.

Yeah, the data seems to support the same thing. I think that TX & OH are 2 pretty conservative states (generally) and they are flinching a bit with regards to Obama.
I think Hillary will win OH by 5-10 pts and Obama will squeak out a win in TX but by no more than a point or two.
A few weeks ago that would have been a big deal considering how far ahead she was but now the expectations have been raised a bit for Obama.

Still, it doesn't really help Hillary much in that she won't pick up many delgates -so the only way this helps is in perception.

Blue Skies demonstrates how focusing on a day or two of polls can really distort a person's perception of events. Thus, in BS's view, closing a twenty point gap in three weeks will, ultimately, result in a disappointing failure for Obama if he doesn't win Ohio.

But Obama supporters are doing the same thing, somewhat, but understandably out of nerves. Obama will do fine tomorrow. Everyone should ignore weekend polls, for the reasons stated above, remember that Obama tends to outperform polls quite a bit, with a couple of exceptions that are easily distinguished, and furthermore remember that Clinton has to win both Ohio and Texas by large margins to even be viable.

We're in good shape. Enjoy the moment.

Ha! I didn't realize my acronym is B.S. That's funny -- and mostly true. I'm actually an Obama supporter, and very much hope you're right. Thanks for the encouragement. However, I don't delegate standing will matter much come Wednesday morning. My "prediction" is't that Tuesday's results will be ambiguous and thus lead to a deadlly slug-fest all the way to Denver. But this is just B.S.!

Liam, it is hard to reason with ignorance. Your arguement makes no sense at all. I suppose if white males were voting at 9 to 1 for Hillary we could just call that a trend? You site a 10% shift in white voting and quickly call them southern racist. As far as senators go, I don't know enough about how many African Americans have ran and been defeated to think your point is valid.

When you can not get enough white votes to even get enough petitions signed, then you do not even get a chance to run, and when you do, then you get white people in places such as Tennessee say that they are going to vote for candidates such as Harold Ford in much higher numbers than they actually do. All it takes is a phony playboy ad, to stampede the ignorant bigots. That is why they run those ads, and that is why the Obama is a Muslim crap has been spread around. A guy from Ohio told sixty minutes that he had heard how Obama was not a Christian and that was putting him off voting for Obama. The sixty minutes reporter said that he has heard that same stuff from a lot of people all over Southern Ohio.

Still waiting for you to explain how I called you a racist!. I guess you are right. No need for me to try and reason with you, since you at least you have been willing to admit that you are ignorant, and that I would be wasting my time trying to "reason with your ignorance"

I never once said you called me a racist Liam. I only said before you do. My point was that your statement about Southern Ohio voting like Alabama instead of Wisconsin and the "we all know what that means" is a statement that does not need to be said. I do not believe you can judge everyone simply by where they live.

Yes, I do support Hillary, but this has nothing to do with either candidate. I was speaking directly to what you wrote. If you want, you can think you "won" ok? I have nothing else to say to you.

Weird.

On the TPM front page it shows Obama ahead in both Ohio and Texas according to Zogby. I try not to put too much faith in any polls (they've all been inconsistent) but how can one poll show Clinton up by 7 or more points, while another shows Obama up by 2 points? That seems like an awfully big swing from one direction to the other.

Oh well, the only polls that matter are tomorrow.

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If it's a polling dead heat, then it will come down to who gets their people to the polls. If where I volunteer is any indication (rural part of Texas, heavily hispanic) ... Obama is getting young people to the early voting in staggering numbers.

delaying the inevitable is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!

Clinton always unleashes an orgy of fear and smear in the last days before an election. She manages to tighten up the race with these last minute desperation attacks.

Yet she still manages to lose the whole thing. She's sinking, but manages to claw her way into contention.


I really wish the media would take her "72 hour" attacks with a grain of salt, instead of playing alogn with her all-of-a-sudden discussion of plagiarism, or tearful cafe moments, or tearful Yale moments. There should almost be a moratorium on dramatic ploys within 48 hours of the election.

Instead, the press eats up this "breaking news" bs -- "OMG, Hillary cried!!!!"

Terrible news for Hillary... what happened to the double-digit leads that she had just a couple weeks ago? She's lost a lot of support in two must-win states.

Without double digit blowout victories in both Texas and Ohio, the Clinton campaign is dead in the water.

Seems like the Republicans want to extend the Democrats primary season, don't you think? It will be hard for Hillary to catch to Obama in delegates, but it definitely "throws a wrench in the gears."

I think this has little to do with Hillary and mostly to do with "Hussein," Farakhan and other Republican tactics, properly timed. These attacks may not work later as the small percentage of the public that is so inclined gets a chance to get over their initial concern.

Obama can lose Ohio, as long as he wins Texas, and Hillary's campaign is still toast.

Actually, he could lose Ohio AND Texas, as long as it's not in double digits, but if that happens, Hillary gets momentum, and then the outcome becomes much cloudier.

Has anyone seen Hillary's performance last night? When asked about Barack not being a Muslim, she responded "I take him at his word" "we have no proof otherwise." I think Democrats are in serious trouble. I will not vote for her if she becomes the nominee.

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The GOP and McCain set their sights on Obama weeks ago when he became the clear favorite. If he can take it from the GOP slime machine on the right and the Clinton slime machine on the left, and still evaporate double digit poll leads in states that are (supposedly) uphill demographic battles to begin with, I'm more confident than ever in his strength as a GE candidate.

Thanks, idiotic, I needed that. With all of these polls, my nerves are shot!

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