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Mark Penn: Internal Polls Show "Red Phone" Ad Swaying "Millions" Of Voters

Mark Penn, on a conference call with reporters just now, suggested that that the controversial red-phone-ringing-at-3-A.M. ad is resonating with "millions" of voters.

Asked for some evidence of this, Penn asserted that the campaign's internal polls support the claim. "What we're seeing internally," Penn said, is that the ad has kicked off a new round of debate and that it has persuaded women that "she is the one ready to be commander in chief."

He added that the internals show that the ad has people saying, "Oh yeah, maybe we didn't realize that national security and commander in chief [credentials] have been important and will be important in trying to defeat Senator McCain."

All in all, another sign of the extent to which the Hillary camp has pushed all its chips on this effort to sow last-minute doubts about Obama's fitness to be commander in chief, in an effort to sway the late-breakers her way. "We expect to fully blunt" Obama's momentum, Penn concluded.

In less than 48 hours, we'll know if it worked.


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Hahaha, riiiggghhhhttt.

Fully blunt his momentum? Does that mean squeaking out a 4 point win in Ohio and at best a tie in Texas? Because unless "blunt his momentum" means getting a 20 point boost in BOTH states in the last 48 hours you are toast Penn.

I'll be so happy when I don't have to hear from your sleazy ass and your dirty campaign any more!

If she wins the popular vote in Texas and Ohio, and then wins it in Pennsylvania, no matter how small her margins, she will be the nominee. That is all the cover the super delegates will need to give her the nod. Get used to it.

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You probably are right and then we can look forward to president mccain, a dem loss of the senate and holding onto the house by the skin of their teeth. I guess that's what you want 4 more years of the same old, same old.

Two points:

1) If...

For my money, I am still expecting a popular vote victory for Obama in TX tomorrow, making this a moot point.

2) I am not at all convinced that the super delegates would be as eager as you suppose to put Clinton over the top even if she wins TX, OH and PA. If Obama is still outraising her in the money race, I am hard pressed to imagine that the superdelegates would fancy her the stronger candidate.

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Yup, unless Hillary wins by at least 60-40, she'll be in a worse position going forward. The fact that Obama was able to eat into her lead so effectively really illustrates how effective his campaign is.

The only thing we've learned is just how sleazy Hillary Clinton can be when she's desperate.

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They can blunt the Obama momentum, but not to the tune of a 60-40 blowout, no matter how much spinning the Clinton campaign does.

Besides, if the polls behave as they have in the past, they have as much credibility in predicting the winner as flipping a coin would. Then again, maybe Mark Penn is referring to one of his cherished "microtrends"...the next big thing, according to him.

Just a few points to chew on:

a) Notice that HRC is pushing the idea of *winning back* her demography groups rather than making inroads with new ones?

b) I can believe the "swaying millions" bit. Penn didn't say "swaying millions to vote for HRC". It's quite possible (judging by discussions I've had and looking at these boards) that millions have been swayed against her by this ad, that this ad was the final straw because of it's fear mongering. Penn simply took "swaying millions" and connected it with "changing women's minds" -- both of which could be true. He wants you to make the connection in your mind.

As everyone knows, you have to read the HRC campaign carefully!

It now where Obama should hit hard Hillary on the lack of her tax return. Obama should not have any mercy.

Has Penn been right yet? Also note that to win the goal will be to "blunt" Obama's momentum. I see that as meaning a win in OH will keep things rolling along until summer.

I think Penn may be right. And who knows, maybe Clinton will win by 10 points in OH and squeak by in TX. Then the race will go on and anything can happen.

But let me just say that the red phone ad is an INCREDIBLY dumb card to play because of who Clinton will be up against in the general - McCain. Sure it worked for Mondale in '84 against Hart. And then of course it worked out FANTASTICALLY in the general against Reagan.

The longer this goes on, the more often both Clinton and Obama are going to shoot each other in the back and themselves in the foot. Republican 527s will just need to show these ads, followed by a "Vote for McCain in '08" sticker at the end.

Just yesterday I was trying to convince my brother that a longer race strengthens either Dem candidate, and the more it helps them in the general. And yet today I wake up and see nothing but disaster for the Dems in November.

I dont think Mark Penn is excellent news...for Hillary.

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I heard two funny bits this morning on morning joe from barnacle.

1. Why did it take FIVE rings for her to answer the phone? We want an experienced leader that answers the phone on the FIRST ring at 3 am. Obviously, there is a huge problem.

2. Regardless of what happens on Tuesday she will take this to the convention. She will be banging on his car window in the denver convention parking lot challenging him to a debate.

Too funny.

Honestly since Patti Dole step down and Maggie took over as campaign manager, I must admit that HRC campaign really has taken on a different tone...

If Maggie was the campaign chief from the beginning, this race may have been different, because Maggie seems to be a lot more "in your face" and sharp hitting than Patti was.

All in all, it may be a little too late though....

My thoughts exactly. She has become a much more effective candidate in the last few weeks. If we had seen this Hillary Clinton earlier, this might be a different race right now. As it stands, however, I still expect that it is too little, too late.

I heard that MikeA
and I thought it was really funny that image of her banging on the car.

I thought Obama should respond to her banging on his car hood by saying ...NO, Hillary...I will not let you have the FIRST questions anymore...so no more debates.

lol

Hm, Mark Penn's internal polls have an even worse track record than Zogby by this point, so I am not inclined to make too much of this. I think that Mr Sargent said it rightly - we will know in 48 hours how well any of these strategies worked.

So, with the LBJ daisy add we can count on Hilbotz to scare us shitless and escalate the war in Iraq?

I will not be surprised if Hillary wins both Ohio and Texas by big enough margins to claim that she has regained the momentum. Remember both States are traditionally Republican Presidential States. Many of the voting factors that make those two States vote mostly to elect Republican Presidents, will play out in Hillary's favor tomorrow, and against either her or Senator Obama in November.

On meet the press yesterday, the point was made over and over again about Obama's ability to put Hillary away. He had a shot in New Hampshire and couldnt close the deal and he has another shot tomorrow. Can he put the nail in Hillary's coffin?
I really feel like tomorrows vote is more meaningful to Obama than HRC...He has to win one of those big states tomorrow there is no way around that. He has to put her away.

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One real possibility is that Obama does indeed win Texas, which might seem to eliminate Hillary, but then is completely caught up in his lies about NAFTA-gate, exposing him to relentless and effective criticism from McCain.

Then the question will remain: how viable is Obama going to be in the general election?

If this lie hurts him enough by the time PA rolls around to keep him from winning even there, even though he would seem to have the nomination sewn up, what will that communicate about his viability as a candidate?

I think that the idea that there is a meme called "NAFTA-gate" is largely a wishful figment of the same fanciful imagination of yours which gave rise to the idea that John Edwards' departure from the race would shift the focus of the media narrative to Clinton's big win in FL, or the idea that John Edwards was surely going to endorse Clinton once he dropped out. I expect that the results of tomorrow's elections will bury this just as quickly as the WI results wiped "plagiarism-gate" out of media cycle.

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Great job trying to distract from the issue, Greg.

Look, the big problem Obama now has with NAFTA-gate is that he's on record denying, as late as last Friday, that there was anything -- anything -- to the NAFTA-Canadian government story. The categorical denial came directly out of Obama's mouth.

And now we see that there's a memo from a disinterested party in the Canadian government directly contradicting that claim.

That's a problem for any politician. It's a huge problem for a politician that talks about the importance of words, and a "new politics".

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No it's not. All the memo shows is that an Obama adviser may have said something vaugly soothing to some Canadian somewhere. This is such a non-story it's absurd. Only crazed Hillary backers give a damn at this point.

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Here's the video of Obama's categorical denial.

No ifs, ands, or buts in that denial. And that denial was as late as last Friday, when Obama and his campaign had had all the time they could possibly need to get to the truth of the matter.

The man is simply lying through his teeth.

Put that video in front of the American people, put the memo in front of them at the same time, and there won't be a normal voter to be found who could possibly be as dumb as an Obama supporter as to believe that Obama is not lying.

Fair enough. I confess that I see only glass when I look into crystal balls, so I could be wrong. That said, the Clinton campaign clearly thought that it had the goods on Obama when it started touting a bunch of youtube videos of Obama and Deval Patrick side by side. In the end, however, they lost Wisconsin by even larger margins than the polls predicted and by the day after Wisconsin the whole "plagiarism" line had become so stale that Sen Clinton was jeered when she mentioned it in the TX debates.

Now they think that they have the goods on him again with some Canadian diplomat's memo. Will this gain more traction than the youtube videos did? Obviously you think that it will, but then you also thought that the plagiarism line was effective, and clearly you were wrong. For my part, I expect that this NAFTA memo will be just as stale by the day after tomorrow as the plagiarism story was on the day after Wisconsin.

If the GOP wants to try to ressurect it in the fall, I would welcome it. Nothing would please me more than to see the GOP committ itself to a strategy which had already been proven to be ineffective.

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More viable then Hillary, that's for sure. But it's not like her relentless stream of bullshit isn't going to hurt him. Ugh.

Are embassy and consulate officials in the habit of sitting on important communications and not forwarding what they have been told, to their governments. Of course not. Since the Canadian Government has already officially stated that they received no such communications from anyone, then it is obviously a false story.

If a any Consular Official of the Canadian Government had received any such information from either candidate, they would have informed their government at once. That is what their job is all about. They did not, so this story is pure bull shit.

By "internal polls" I can only assume Penn meant that they asked a bunch of low level HRC staffers what they thought of it while administering a threat that that their jobs were on the line on the answer.

A Canadian news outlet overstating what one Obama adviser said to a Canadian minister in a casual conversation is not a scandal or a lie, much less one that is GOOD NEWS FOR HILLARY!!!

Last week, McCain lied about not having met with Vicki Iseman's client Paxson before his letter seeking to force a decision (which is of course action in the client's favor). He had a deposition proving the lie, and WaPo had Paxson saying he met with McCain. Aren't you concerned about that actual lie? Do you think we can't as Democrats exploit it and McCain's Keating Five corruption, his wish to bomb Iran?

Hillary is already toast. Even if she ties Texas (hell, even if she wins the popular vote 52-47, which she won't), she _loses_ the delegates awarded on March 4 because of the Texas allocation rules and the Texas caucus. Ohio is a near split, RI, VT likely a net split. Obama will take MS and WY next week. Do the math, people -- his lead is growing in that scenario. And have you noticed the superdelegates refusing to decide this for the Clintons, as the gap has been cut in half? Pennsylvania polls already show Clinton's nobody-paying-attention-yet lead having dwindled to 4 (Rasmussen) or 6 (Quinnipiac).

So go ahead and keep ripping the party apart with snide asides ("NAFTA-gate?!" -- whatever), but you're not much of a Democrat if you want this to go on longer, since she can't win. We need to win in November, and Obama will be the nominee. Richardson will come out for Obama Wednesday, based on his comments yesterday. We need to unite, if we actually are one political party and want to win, and not just a vessel for one family's vanity or intraparty ethnic tensions that would do Iraq proud.

Here's the thing, Marky. If someone on Obama's side were to say something about their internals, I'd be inclined to believe them because they don't have a history of flat-out lying about them.

You, on the other hand, insisted that your internals before Iowa showed that the final Des Moines Register Poll was just completely wrong and its "new" turnout model was completely insane.

In fact, it turned out that the DMR was using the same turnout screen it had always used, its results were pretty much accurate and you admitted, after the thing was over, that you'd just been lying.

So, hey, maybe your internals do show that Hilly's fearmongering ad is working in Ohio, where people generally have more anxiety about life in general than they do in other states. And maybe they're even accurate, rather than just a statistical hallucination like your Super Tuesday polls. But, there's this old story about boys who cry wolf that your mamma apparently never bothered to read to you when you were a child.

Oh, wait, that's right, you were talking to the MSM. Never mind. Carry on. They'll buy anything, apparently.

"Oh yeah, maybe we didn't realize that national security and commander in chief [credentials] have been important and will be important in trying to defeat Senator McCain."


Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of that...

crap, I better vote for Hillary!


But seriously, I watch an hour or two of TV a night. I haven't seen this ad. I've seen Hillary's "working" ad, and Obama's Air Force general ad, and his rockstar ad (the one with all the images and the "rock" beat).

Hey, Billy - According to your posts last week, you weren't coming back until Wednesday. Just couldn't stay away, huh? Can't say I blame you.

Looking forward to your thoughts following the Tuesday results. I remember your repeated comments on how much you dislike whining, so I trust that your statements will be gracious and fair in the instances (like TX) where HRC loses.

(Saying "Texas doesn't count" is whining, BTW.)

From the desk of:

Mark Poison Penn.


Breaking News. Stop The Presses.

Our Internal tracking can now report that our 3,OOAM Phone Call Ad has been so successful that Michelle Obama has been persuaded to change sides, because she wants her two little girls to be protected by Hillary Clinton.

Michelle Obama has been convinced that an Older Woman, with no little ones of her own, will do a much better job of protecting Michelle and Barack's children than their own mother and father could ever do.

If by "swaying millions" he means "not very many people", I'll agree, if not, not so much.

The Surge is Working.

Why isn't anyone asking Penn (or HRC) what her "national security and commander in chief [credentials]" ARE?????????????? Why isn't Obama pressing this issue??

Mark Penn is full of shit, VERY FULL actually!

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Heh. Reminds me of the expression 'ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag'. I'd say that about sums up Penn.

It seems the national political press cannot stand the potential of the primary campaign essentially ending on Tuesday and has decided to spin the momentum in Hillary's direction, although she has been beaten decisively in 11 straight contests, both primaries and caucuses in, yes, very real and important states. And, not only that, her campaign is still essentially in complete disarray with finger-pointing going on every day, and still no clear, consistent message other than a fear-based negative campaign based on imaginary "experience." Plus, the fact that Obama raised 18 million more than HRC did in February and can actually spend it, rather than paying off Iowa debts and ridiculous salaries to consultants like Mark Penn. And, to top it off, HRC just comes to resemble Margaret Hulahan shrilly yelling and stomping her foot at Hawkeye and Trapper with each passing day. But yet she has momentum....I feel like Josh Baskin in Big raising his hand in the meeting and asking, "I don't get it." I really don't.

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Do they really think that Hillary can out-McCain McCain? Whoever suggested that running on the same platform as McCain is a winning strategy is a fool. If we don't nominate a candidate that shows a clear choice between us and the conservatives, voters will just flip a coin. Or they will say who has most experience in the Senate? who is a war hero and thus presumed to be strong on national defense?

A losing strategy IMO.

OK. Obama told no lies.

There may have been contact from Obama aides with some folk in Canada; but there were general talks about lots of stuff.

The MYTH part of it has been debunked, but, of course the Hillaryites continue to propagate it.

With tactics like this they may well achieve the shortsighted goal of blunting Obama.

But they will have won nothing.

They will still have to manipulate to win the nomination, and they will never win back the Obama new coalition, so they will never win the general.

So we are to assume this is an example of leadership that I want to put in charge of my country...how?

Haven't we just lived through 8 years of hellish kneejerk shortsided goal attainment?

That got us where, exactly?

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Yeesh.

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