Obama's Speech Also An Indictment Of Our Political Discourse

One other interesting moment from Obama's speech, which has now concluded.

Obama's speech, throughout, asks its listeners to transcend themselves -- it asks them to choose nuance over cartoonish political controversy; it asks them to acknowledge stuff about race they don't want to acknowledge; it asks them to think big instead of small.

In this spirit, at one point Obama appears to be offering an indictment of our very political discourse...

We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.”

The reference there to Geraldine Ferraro is noteworthy, since Obama's supporters, too, "pounced" on Geraldine Ferraro's racially-charged remarks as evidence that Hillary "played the race card." Also note the reference to white men "flocking" to McCain in the general election -- a condemnation of the empty arguments about "electability" you so often hear from the pundits.

Obama is basically demanding here that the practitioners of our political discourse do better. It's a challenge to the commentators and to the rival campaigns, of course. But the Ferraro reference suggests that it's also a challenge that some of his own supporters should take as directed at them, too. To not do this would be at odds with the true spirit of his remarks.


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Obama is basically demanding here that the practitioners of our political discourse do better. It's a challenge to the commentators and to the rival campaigns, of course. But the Ferraro reference suggests that it's also a challenge that some of his own supporters should perhaps see as directed at them, too.

From his lips to God's ears...What a thought: that we do better in our political discourse. I can't ever remember a politician making that point. Ever.

When John Kennedy proposed to put a man on the moon, the Mercury program was already in place, and it was fairly clear what you had to do to accomplish the goal.

One of the criticisms of Obama has been that he offers voters a chance to catch up by voting for him. If you missed the civil rights movement or the anti-war movement, you can get your ticket punched by voting for Obama.

This speech seems to offer more of the same, and it attempts to sell the idea that only a vote for Obama can heal the racial divide. Presumably, his argument is based on the fact that his DNA derives from a black father and a white mother. Obviously, if we buy into it, he is the only candidate running this year who meets the test.

But his advertisement for himself misses the point, once again, that actions must follow words, whether that action is a civil war, the civil right struggle, civil rights legislation, or affirmative action.

It seems to me that this is the kind of speech that should include a couple of proposals from the candidate for closing the divide. Something beyond that moment in the voting booth.

Jesus wept. I know you're a troll but you can't have read the same speech as me and come to the conclusion that only Obama can heal the racial divide. He specifically, EXPLICITLY said that he can't and won't.

FFS, this was the most honest speech about race I've seen a major politician give in decades.

Billy and the usual suspects:
You remind me of those who, if they got an invite to the Last Supper would complain that the bread as stale or the room too cold or the wine to warm.

Seriously, take a breather.

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As someone who thought last Thursday/Friday that the Obama candidacy might be dead and posted as much in response to a Billy Glad TPM Cafe post;

As someone who is certainly feeling better now than I did last Friday wee-hour morming;

As someone who today heard, and read, a perceptive, compassionate, honest, thoughtful speech that challenged the American people to think in shades of gray, in a nuanced and honest fashion, in complex terms about race in America;

I now realize that as far as Billy Glad is concerned, Barack Obama simply cannot say or do anything right. Ever. Billy Glad exists on this forum to trash Obama, and only to trash Obama. His schadenfreude in the post referenced above was clear. I of course should have realized this earlier. BG's history in this board is quite clear and unambiguous.

Obama took the high road and used this Wright kerfuffle to try to initiate a decades-overdue honest conversation about race in America.

But to Billy Glad, in his unbounded cynicism and contempt for Obama, that all amounted to an "advertisement for himself."

Obama's speaking from his own personal experience, not as a Black man, but as a BIRACIAL person, with a beloved grandmother who nonetheless feared Black men and occasionally said hateful things, who spoke uncompromisingly yet compassionately about White as well as Black anger, translates to Billy Glad as "argument is based on the fact that his DNA derives from a black father and a white mother."

Accordingly, Billy Glad is nothing but a troll. As many others here have already recognized.

Case in point: BG, in typical supercilious, snarky fashion, claimed he had "got[ten] beyond" the call-and-response speaking style used, among other places, in Black churches, and occasionally by Obama and his supporters. He was soundly trounced by me and several others in the comments. For my part, I wound up that trouncing with a reminder of the use of the call-and-response style used by another famous Black man, active in Black churches and every now in then in US politics as well that, if I do say so myself, demonstrated the political, moral, and social utility of the call-and-response style.

Nothing Obama does or says is good enough for Billy Glad.

Nothing ever will be.

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An addition.

One spot (of several) where Obama hit it out of the park:

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

Right there, Obama undermines the entire Reagan coalition, built on justified white working class and poor resentment over their treatment by corporate and political elites, but turned by Reagan and the entire "conservative" movement for the last 30 years into resentment against non-whites and "liberals".

This kind of truth-telling, if sustained, has the potential to bust that coalition wide open and to forge a new progressive coalition in this country.

But this, too, isn't good enough for Billy Glad. Or, perhaps, Billy Glad doesn't really want that coalition to be busted open, or want a new coalition formed.

No, it's just all about Obama's DNA and "an advertisement for himself."

Only someone willfully blind and hopelessly cynical can fail to see what Obama has done here.

But "willfully blind" and "hopelessly cynical" are a pretty good start for describing BG's relentless snarking on these threads.

The corporate media, of course, reduces these political points to incendiary sound bites, eviscerating the importance of what Obama has done -- because it scares the shit out of them, because the corporate media ARE an essential element of "a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed;" they ARE an essential arm of the "lobbyists and special interests" who "dominate Washington."

Perhaps this scares the shit out of Billy Glad, as well.

Comparing Ferraro to his radical kook spiritual adviser is pathetic.

It is over.

Clinton will win.

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Your glib comment personifies what Obama is talking about.

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getalife -
The comparison was not Ferraro to Wright, but Ferraro's treatment from Obama's surrogates to the treatment of Wright in the media. I think in this comparison, she fares rather well, don't you.

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YOu think Ferraro's not a kook? Whoa.

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It is indeed an indictment of our political discourse. But the most powerful indictment is the one implicit in the speech – that sophisticated, historicized explanations of deep-seated problems can reach and move the electorate. By choosing to respond in this manner, Obama is arguing that the possibilities of our national conversation have been sacrificed to the demands of political expedience and media profitability. If he’s proven right – if voters continue to embrace his candidacy, and vote for him come November – then that will be damning indeed.

But if the Wright controversy comes to define his candidacy, if voters split along racial lines, if the media proves unable to cover the speech with as much sophistication and depth as Obama displayed in delivering it – then it will be the senator from Illinois who has misapprehended the possible.

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I think David Kurtz can't see the forest for the trees.

It is more than a political speech. It is perhaps the reason Obama is campaigning in the first place.

This IS his service to the nation on the most important issue to him personally.

I think you are missing the point. Politically, he could have done many much easier things for the sake of the rabblerousers. HE chose not to, and deserves respect for that.


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"In this spirit, at one point Obama appears to be offering an indictment of our very political discourse..."

And so he should. Our political discourse is reduced to Swiftboating and smears.


"The reference there to Geraldine Ferraro is noteworthy, since Obama's supporters, too, "pounced" on Geraldine Ferraro's racially-charged remarks as evidence that Hillary "played the race card." Also note the reference to white men "flocking" to McCain in the general election -- a condemnation of the empty arguments about "electability" you so often hear from the pundits."

Good point here. He calls his own supporters to do better, as well as his opponents.


I guess Hillary and McCain will ignore this. But it would be a mark of real leadership if they were to join him in the spirit adn message of his speech. America needs this.

Soooo close, and then you slipped into the tired old politics as usual. Why would you presume that Clinton and McCain would ignore his call?

Ahh, the audacity to have hoped that Obama supporters to practice what Obama preaches.

Oh well ...

Hey Greg, you might want to send your analysis on "Obama's Speech Also An Indictment Of Our Political Discourse" over to David Kurtz on the front page. He can't wait to figure out what Fox's next 20 second sound byte will be.

As Dems we spend too much time looking over our shoulders worrying if Rove is about to shoot us in the back. Can't we look forward, without fear, and take a hold of the narative?

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"Obama is basically demanding here that the practitioners of our political discourse do better."

Not gonna happen. The institutional and intellectual bankruptcy of what passes for news these days will always be focused on the trivial, i.e., the "telling detail" that shows these people as they "truly are." That or the horse race.

What's sad is TPM is now practicing the exact same kind of journalism.

I agree. I came to TPM to read their reaction first. It was sad to read what they took away from his speech. Are they mistaking cynicism for analysis?

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I thought it was a great speech that will not neutralize Fox. The meme has been born and now they're off. Why the Obama campaign didn't see this one coming is literally beyond me.

Having said that, what kills me is the fact that no Republican will ever have to defend his or her pastors remarks like this, ever. Ever. There will never be a comparable media flap with a Hagee or a Falwell, no matter how grotesque their beliefs.

Now why is that, do you think?

Simple: IOKIYAR.

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Huh? unBabelfish it for us...

It's Ok If You're A Republican.

Whew. Lotsa html tags in that!

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Nothing was ever going to neutralize Fox. If it wasn't this it would be something else. They are doing what they do - attack, distort, smear.

Honestly, neither Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton was ever going to win over the hardcore Fox viewer. This speech was not for them.

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It is more than a political speech. It is perhaps the reason Obama is campaigning in the first place.
Exactly. Old cynic that I am, it's clear to me that that's more important to him than winning. Now that's one unusual politician, to put it mildly. And he has my deep respect for it.
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it's what's best for our country. Are people brave enough to accept and go for it?

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"We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card" .. good for obama he said that. But i'm curious because time after time Hillary has been accused of playing race card by his supporters and Obama campaign happily egged it along, its only after he is getting a really bad rap by the media on this race issue, he is telling his supporters to back off! i still give him credit for saying that but it would have been more powerful had he said that when Hillary was getting bad press on these nonsensical issues!

He did. Back at South Carolina.

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"Obama's speech, throughout, asks its listeners to transcend themselves -- it asks them to choose nuance over cartoonish political controversy; it asks them to acknowledge stuff about race they don't want to acknowledge; it asks them to think big instead of small."

Oh please. If you think that it doesn't worry most Americans that his preacher who he has been so close and chummy with is a wackjob, then that's your opinion. I for one think that it tells quite a bit about Obama's character. That said, I think he's still favored to win the Dem nomination, but I think he will lose in the general to John McCain. Mr. Obama seems to think that we shouldn't even talk about race in this country. Sorry but that's just not possible.

Mr. Obama seems to think that we shouldn't even talk about race in this country

Huh? Then why did he devote such a chunk of his speech to that very issue?

You seem to think that the only way we can talk about race is in angry dialogues. Oh please. How sad.

So you're saying we should focus on cartoonish stuff and ignore nuance?

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What does it say about his character that he's unwilling to throw his friend and mentor to the wolves just because people like you say he should?

Would I get an accurate picture of your character if I found out that you, say, had a bill go to collections once? Should I conclude from that incident alone that you're an untrustworthy person who should never be believed? Or even that such a one as you should be banned from using credit forever?

It's darkly humorous to watch people say they know everything about a person because of what someone associated to that person said. Have you no shame, sir, at long last?

Let the pundits and Josh make this speech about delivery, timing, sound bytes, relationship with Rev Wright, size of his balls, etc...

Americans who want change and hope recognize it for what it was, a reminder that we hold the promise for a better future.

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Boldest, frankest, most honest discussion of race I've ever heard any politician make, ever. My support for Obama has been bolstered, but I'm very pessimistic about how this will play in the media. How many will make the effort to read the full text of the speech? Not many, sadly.

Can you imagine Hillary taking this kind of a risk? I didn't think so.

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and neither do I think hillary's pastor gave any anti-american sermon!

I'm sorry who is Hillary's pastor?

I think it is time for Hillary Clinton to step aside so the party can finally unify behind Barack Obama.

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It's easy to expect the worst from the American people, especially after the past two presidential elections. But I think the demand for change is strong this time. Barack Obama is appealing to the best, not the worst, in us. Win or lose, this is the candidate I'll back to the hilt.

No more 'lesser of two evils' for me. Finally, a presidential candidate I can fully respect and unequivocally support. I don't agree with him about everything - I don't agree with ANYONE about everything - but I can see that this is the person America really, really needs right now.

Yes, this speech may help to throw the political discourse into sharper relief. Who's choosing distractions over issues?

But to be fair, sure, just about any politician's speech should have helped you do that.

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Honesty, what a concept! TPM seems to buy into the idea that every speech is manipulation, designed for consumption. Does it seem possible that a person can run for office who really believes they have a purpose in doing so? Is it such a hard sell that someone whose own genetics and upbringing cross racial barriers might just see the presidency as more than a personal prize, and a vehicle of service and healing? The cynicism here is overwhelming! Personally I can't imagine why anyone would want to put up with the abuse you get from the likes of Pat Buchanan or TPM in running for higher office.

Hey, wasn't just us Obama supporters .

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Contact the pundits and media -- tell them to rise about this garbage about Ferraro and Wright -- THIS TIME!

Feedback@foxnews.com
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Obama could deliver the Gettysburg Address word for word and the Fox headline would be "Obama and Lincoln question whether 'America can endure'.. Do They Want to See America Lose?"

we need to stop caring what Fox and Friends say. every time we give them credence, we give them authority. all of those posting here, and increasing numbers of mainstream Americans, know the dangerous and debilitating effect that sensationalist, jingoistic, inane media parsing has on our discourse.

yet David Kurtz on the front page, in response to an Obama speech on how we need to move past caring only what the next day's sound bites and insubstantial chatter will be, proceeds to base the effectiveness of Obama's speech on what he thinks the next day's sound bites and insubstantial chatter about it will be. do not let TPM become everything we posters read TPM to subvert.

He did not distance himself from his radical kook spiritual adviser. He praised him. Read his speech.

He compared him to Ferraro.

He is divisive and his unity is crap.

Get real.

Total bs.

Dear Gotalife:

No, I don't think you actually do. (Have a life).

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awesome troll. wonder if there's a correlation between low-functioning trolls and Obama hating on these forums?

seems to be.

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In your view of the world, is it possible to care for someone deeply enough that even though you don't agree with them completely, you still care for them and won't throw them under the bus on anyone's say-so?

Or do you think that someone -- and their friends -- has to be holier than Jesus or they're just another raging hypocrite?

Show us one, ONE, divisive thing in that speech. Show us just one place where he's exploiting fear, racism, or ignorance. Then show us how he's not trying to get us to acknowledge that race is still a major issue in this country and that we need to address it by listening across the divide and taking small steps to fix it.

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He did not distance himself from his radical kook spiritual adviser. He praised him. Read his speech.

I did.

Is this what you meant?

On the other end, we've heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

Or perhaps this?

ike other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Those parts?

Go back to Fox News, troll. Your soundbite distortions of his speech are of a piece with theirs, if not coming directly from them. Live up to your handle, if you can. I'm betting you can't.

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TPM, SET UP A PREVIEW FUNCTION IF YOU MUST MAKE US TYPE IN OUR OWN HTML TAGS!

It's not that hard. Kos does it. Firedoglake does it.

Do you have a webmaster?

Hey David,

Get you head out of your ass.

This NY, gay Jew knew in his bones that what Barack Obama was saying was more powerful than you are obviously capable of giving him credit for.

I actually welled up several times during the speech. Had to stop what I was doing while he was speaking and sit down becuase my knees wobbled.

That's not an exaggeration.

This is much more than just about Wright's words, which I also happen to think have some validity, (though could have been addressed much more eloquently), it was about a truth this country hasn't been willing to face head on, from any point along the color spectrum.

This speech will be looked back upon in a greater light than even JFK's speech. 50 years from now naysayers like you and the racists who are alive and well on this site (conscious or otherwise) who still can only focus on Wright's words will be forgotten, just like the anti-Catholics were after JFK's historical speech.


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hmmmm.. so we are all racists!

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BonoX,

Of course we're all racists. Didn't you get the memo from Hillary Hollows? If not, I'm sure Hoost can supply it to you. We're also stupid, ignorant, arrogant, non-progressives hicks standing in the way of destiny by refusing to recognize Obama's Messianic qualities.

As for the speech itself, I don't think it will quiet Obama's critics or answer all the questions. It turned out to be, not so much a major address on race, but rather just another political speech. It was about ten minutes too long; he needlessly, if subtly attacked Hillary, by saying the Iraq resolution shouldn't have been passed; and he attempted to link Ferraro's words to Wright's. Last transcript I saw, she never said anything as crass as blaming the US for 9/11 or uttering those words first made immortal by Philip Nolan "God Damn the US." Too bad for Obama that, unlike Nolan, the Rev. Wright isn't a fictional character. As for the notion that Wright's rhetoric is common in black churches, there's way too many black ministers, such as the Rev. Eugerne Rivers III, saying it just ain't so. (For those of you not in the know, Reverend Eugene F. Rivers, III is co-director of the National Ten Point Leadership Foundation and pastor of Boston's Azusa Christian Community, a pentacostal church.)

It was a terrible speech with an incredibly flat and off key delivery.
But most importantly:
Obama has finally admitted that he has been lying about never hearing Wright's hate speech in person.

OBAMA ADMITTED THAT HE HAS BEEN LYING TO US ALL!

Any good his speech might have done is destroyed by his mendacity.
Who can now believe a word he says?
He has failed the test that he himself set for our politics.

Beyond that his speech was really nothing but a recitation of and excuse for endless black grievance. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.
It is Evil America's fault that Wright is a racist antiSemitic Americahating terroristloving bigot and there is more truth than falsehood in Wright's claim that the government invented AIDS to eliminate Black America, etc.

Oh yeah, and now to expiate Americs's sins we must elect Obama president.

How pathetic a rationale Obama offers us for both his lies and his candidacy.
He decries a return to the Clintonian 90's and instead offers a return to 60's Detroit in flames, back to the future in OJ's Ford Bronco, and calls for us to make Duke Lacrosse our national sport.

He is a disaster in the making.


OBAMA ADMITTED THAT HE HAS BEEN LYING TO US ALL!

Yeah, but it was a terrible speech, flatly delivered, so why do you care?

Did spittle fly all over the place as you composed this?

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This is such a hateful post. It could have come straight from Fox News. This is exactly what we're fighting against.

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Meanwhile, JTHB Hearts McCain.

McCain's active seeking and enthusiastic acceptance of Hagee's endorsement, to JTHB, is not a problem. Just like Hillary Clinton, JTHB has no problem setting up an Insane McCain presidency, with 100 years of Iraq occupation (at $12B per month that's, hmm, 14 quadrillion dollars, to say nothing of the lives lost), a hard right 7-2 Supreme Court majority, and all the trimmings.

Typical of someone who that Obama serves an "Islamofascist constituency".

Never mind that McCain actively sought the Hagee endorsement, and said he was "honored" to receive it.

Never mind that McCain has also campaigned in Ohio with his "spiritual guide", the Rev. Rod Parsley, a wingnut if ever there was one, who claims, inter alia, that America was founded in part to "destroy Islam." Never mind that Parsley illegally drove voters to vote for the Smirking Chimp in the 2004 election. (Hmm, how come his church has never been subjected to an IRS investigation?) Never mind that Parsley's Center for Moral Clarity called for prosecuting people who commit adultery. Never mind that Parsley he compared Planned Parenthood to Nazis.

JTHB's bigotry is on prominent display here. So are JTHB's true political leanings. JTHB favors an Insane McCain presidency over an Obama presidency.

Does JTHB claim to be a Democrat?

If so, research and judge the claim for yourself.

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Meanwhile, JTHB Hearts McCain.


Better link.

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Obama has finally admitted that he has been lying about never hearing Wright's hate speech in person.

OBAMA ADMITTED THAT HE HAS BEEN LYING TO US ALL!

Where's the lie, JTHB?

Exact words. Sourced. With links.

Obama's words. Not your spin. Not your "paraphrases." Not your distortions.

Where's the claim that you claim Obama made?

WHERE IS IT?

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A perfect example of someone who would never have voted for him ever. This type wouldn't believe Jesus Christ himself.

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This speech whould have had its full impact had it been delivered at the State of the Black Union.

Obama: Judgment you can trust.

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To be fair, Ferraro's comments were bigoted, and no one accused Hillary of being racist, just that she would exploit racism. This isn't just some flippant controversy from the pundits, it was the PATTERN of race-baiting, a pretty obvious pattern, that made it a bigger issue.

I wouldn't read much into the Ferraro comment part of this, and he didn't even mention her directly, so really mentioning racially charged comments from her surrogates is pretty vague, since so many of them have made such comments...so can we really assume it was just about Ferraro?

And yes, it is pretty sad that when talking about racially charged comments from her surrogates there is a long list of them that could be referenced.

He was dead right on everything though, I wish him the best of luck in trying to make people use their brains, but I fear too many Americans, and even many Democrats apparently, are too ignorant.

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Fox news and company will certainly loop "god damn America" over and over and over and over and over and over and over -- will it work to destroy Barack Obama's candidacy?

Only time will tell. I think Obama is tactically and strategically smart to deal with it now front and square and all out in the open. There is more than a month to go before the Pennsylvania primary -- and he has time to move the discourse away from the memes of racial stereotypes and racial fears to the idea that we all share common interests and have common needs and that if we fail to move beyond the politics of division we will never be able to solve our common problems.

Now is the time for him to take this bull by the horns -- bring it all out in the open and make it a transparent discussion. Move it to a real discourse and away from ugly insinuations.

There is time for this to play out and for him to move beyond this moment and escape the attempt to ghettoize him.

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Hold on. Now its time the campaign not to be about words? Rise above what. Oh yeah barack. I get it. Old Uncle Jeremiah....he is a little nutty and I really don't agree with much he says but....hey.....I can't say anything about it till someone calls me on it. I can't be honest about what is behind it or why I didn't leave the church. I didn't say anything about it before. And please lets move on because any other questions are too hurtful, too polarizing. Lets rise above this and let all of my past not be scrutinized. I think the whole thing sounded like a smooth talking George Bush

I think the whole thing sounded like a smooth talking George Bush

Smooth talking George Bush?!? Thanks for the laugh...

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This was one of the great American speeches--and Obama seems to be very capable of writing and delivering as many of them as my heart and mind can take.

The only thing that will stop the manipulation of our population by those who benefit if we stay separate and fearful in our little groups is to step out and say "enough". And I've had enough--enough of bad or zero healthcare; enough of bad schools; enough of jobs being sent abroad by corporate executives seeking a "better deal" while at the same time not feeling responsible for the death and injury that's shipped back in toys or heparin; enough of people not being supported by my government ala Katrina which could happen to white as well as to black as well as to brown.

We are simply more alike than we are different. It's time to step away from the fear. When all of the nonsense is drained away, fear is left. And this is an election that demands that we step away from it.

Full video here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/18/122716/628/855/479171

Man, every time the next thing that's definitely for sure going end Obama's candidacy and cause all of the deluded Obama supporters and the MSM to "wake up" and see that he is a bad, bad, shallow, stupid, sexist, person and magically salvage her mathematically doomed campaign, the hardcore Hillary supporters always go through the whole Kubler-Ross cycle right before our eyes.

So far, we're working denial and anger hard.

What's the next stage we can look forward to?

Please, please, please tell me it's resignation followed by acceptance. The denial and anger stages are so damny ugly.

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What is notable about the speech, and even perhaps historical, is that he gave us a narrative frame to understand why we still have a racial divide in the United States. That narrative allows us to see how the stain of slavery has resulted in the oppression and bitterness of both whites and blacks, both of whom share responsibility for bridging the divide. That narrative helps explain the media's tendency to turn racial issues into spectacles. It also helps explain why both campaigns have been so ungracious to each other in recent weeks -- and why they will undoubtedly continue to be so in the future. Obama will be able to return to this narrative throughout the rest of the campaign for its power to explain imperfections and inconsistencies when it comes to race.

In bringing both his grandmother and his pastor into the fold (Love the sinner, hate the sin), the narrative works on a profoundly personal level and shows how these national problems can exist in the psychological makeup of one man. (If you read Obama's memoir, you'll see that racial identity was a very problematic concept for him growing up -- and I suspect it remains so to this day.)

Working on both the national and personal levels, the speech is a brilliant merger of political philosophy and campaign publicity. I'll be interested to see how he returns to these themes in the coming days.

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David I very much agree.

In fact this personal revealation was profound. How does a human being grapple with the idea that the person who loves you more than life itself confides an actual fear of your very being and what you are...a black man??.

That right there said how critically important it is for Obama to find the common humanity no matter the spoken nor optic differnces in people. That is his driving motivation in all situations where differences exist. He could not be at peace within himself unless he finds that common humanity. Anything else is a rejection of hisself.

Yet there are those who have said that he was rejecting his mother by attending Wright's church a place they believe she would not have felt comfortable. A premise I doubt given that his mother saw beyond differences to our core humanity as a young woman when she married a Kenyan and named her child Barack Obama. His mother believed in the ideals and dreams of America so much so that she looked beyond racial divisions in the 50s. She instilled that in Obama as well.

My heart went out to Obama when he said his grandmother confided her fear of black men to him and that she uttered racial stereotypes to him. What type of strength of character does it take to continue believing in one's self when the people who love you the most voice rejection of you on the basis of your race despite you being their very own flesh and blood?

Is that not American's history of slavery? Was not that the very thing slave owners did? Breed and enslave their own flesh and blood. They were fearful of their own flessh and blood based solely on the color of their skin.

It is his mother though who shaped Obama's world view, his grandmother embodied his racial realities and together they molded a black man who has the extraordinary leadership to inspire others to seek first our common humanity and rise about our differences to work together to solve our national problems. They launched him into the world full of his mothers hopes and deftly capable of transcending his grandmothers fears.

The only piece of America Obama was missing was the angry, despair and hope of black folks and especially black men and Wright filled those gaps.

Obama melded all this bits and pieces of America together and created a vision for himself and America. He understands all sides and is able to embrace the differences and love the richness of his and America's heirtage.

That message is what all Americans should hear and come to grips with because it is that understanding which will allow us to move forward as ONE NATION.

That is what drives Obama and informs his belief that we can as Americans move forward and solve our problems and perfect this imperfect union. Just as he knows he too is an imperfect man learning to perfect all the differnces he encounters living in America and growing up in a home suffering fear from the very person who professed to love him most.

Incredible.

America this is our moment!

As Oprah says: 'he's the one'

Didn't Oprah leave that church and suffer Wright's scorn for leaving? Just asking.

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I don't know Billy and I do not believe her choices are relevant. Oprah is not running for President. Oprah was born in MS, she would have no need to understand the anger of the black experience.

Isn't Wright a veteran of the Marines?

Just asking.

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I think the whole thing sounded like a smooth talking George Bush

The fact that you think George Bush is a smooth talker hurts your argument...fatally.

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"Obama's speech, throughout, asks its listeners to transcend themselves -- it asks them to choose nuance over cartoonish political controversy; it asks them to acknowledge stuff about race they don't want to acknowledge; it asks them to think big instead of small."

i'm having trouble holding down my lunch. did a tiny shred of this line of thinking ever occur to these cretins when everyone leapt a mile to conclude that bill clinton's use of "fairy tale" was code for "black man can't run a legit presidential campaign"? and the call at 3 a.m. means beware the black man because it's not typically terrorist? enough of this intellectual affirmative action crap! looking at this board, i see the democrats doing a reprise of their periodic harakiri, when they see the second coming and not him as michael dukakis or george mcgovern until they become, well, dukakis and mcgovern. on second thought, given that the pillars of this "movement" are unskakeable -- the 90% voting black and GOP (guilty overpaid) whites, this is not so much seppuku as it is assisted suicide.

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Are you kidding?

This was a speech that stepped beyond the immediate term, looked both forward and back, and articulated the candidate's vision for how to heal America.

How is that somehow either a) pandering, or b) serving "white guilt"?


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So you'd rather have us nominate the female version of Walter Mondale? Yeah, that's going to work well in November.

Hey, don't insult mondale. He is nothing like the clintons. He actually had some integrity, honesty and cared about the american people. He was no republican, like the clintons. I still don't understand why they are running in the dem primary.

Obama wants everybody to play by HIS rules big on white guilt. If you don't you'll play by Obama's rules be accused of being a racist. Obama makes the rules and demands all Democrats and the national electorate play by them. Sorry, no dice.

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to the gay guy whose knees got wobbly listening to the speech, girl, you've got to learn to distinguish between inspiration and lubrication. your feelings are confused, sis.

now to "thinking big." injecting the ferraro comment is disingenuous at best, and dishonest at worst. to even correlate that with wright's, implying a parity in their outrageousness, is another in a long list of examples of intellectual affirmative action that is all over these days. clinton's informal and tactical ties to ferraro pales beside obama's and wright's constant and longstanding intimacy through marriage, baptism, counseling, mentoring and the audacity of plagiarism, and no amount of juxtaposition will sell it as a street corner shell game. you had it coming when you cry racism every time any scrutiny is done on an undervetted talkmeister who so far is a rhyme upgrade over jesse and al.

and then you heap on this mirage the phantasm of electability. yeah right, wait until the policy specifics are fleshed out in the general, not that the Kool Aid zombies will believe their lying eyes. and the general electorate has not even chewed on proud-for-the-first-time-american michelle as first lady yet, who's going to make lani guinier look like hannah montana. but then look at all the votes he got -- AL, GA, ID, IA, LA, MS, NE, ND, TX, UT, VA, KS, TN, WY -- he's going to win these states, right? right.