Obama Wins Wyoming, Networks Say

CNN and NBC call Wyoming for Obama. With 91% reporting, it's 58%-41%.

CNN's estimate has it that seven delegates go to Obama, and four to Hillary, with one left. So what's outstanding is whether Obama has a net gain over her of two delegates, or four.

More soon.

Late Update: On a conference call with reporters, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe argued that tonight's results put Hillary in a deeper hole.

He noted that given tonight's results, Hillary has to win 63% of the remaining pledged delegates, which "would mean getting 68% or 70% of the vote everywhere."

"We're getting down the field," Plouffe said.

Plouffe also made some of his most aggressive comments yet about Hillary's assault on Obama, saying outright that she has chosen a "scorched earth" strategy designed to "destroy Senator Obama in some way" in order to get the super-delegates to see him as un-electable and hence support her.


Comments (247)

So he might gain as many delegates as she did during March 4th.

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Also, California finished counting today, and Obama actually got eight more delegates.

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This is extremely important news - or is it? Link please. Why is nothing posted in TMP?

This actually happened a few days ago. Not sure why it wasn't reported in more place.

To clarify, Obama got 4 more delegates, but they were 4 attributed to Clinton. So it's an 8 delegate swing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/6/18441/19312/64/470801

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Possible misinterpretation here. I heard 4 delegates got taken from the Clinton column and added to the Obama columns for a swing of 8. But not that Obama got 8. However, I could be wrong. Just a caution here. Either way it is the difference between excellent and most excellent.

It proves that Obama gamed the system. Hillary wins two of the biggest primary states - and Ohio by a landslide - and she gets as many more delegates as Obama does in some non-democratic caucus in Wyoming. A few hundred Democrats in Wyoming, a state that democrats will never carry in November, are having more say in choosing the party nominee than the millions of Democrats who voted in Ohio and Texas.

And that's fair...how? That's the will of the people...how? You missed the part about how this makes Obama the choice of the people.

Sinbad thinks you need to take a math class!

Clinton won Ohio by 10% but Obama won Virginia by 23%

Sinbad thinks that you pick states that are favorable to your argument and forget about states that are not!

Sinbad knows that that is bad diplomacy!

Sinbad, why weren't you singing with Hillary Clinton in Kosovo?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Clintons_experience.html

Shame on YOU, Sinbad.

Why wasn't Sinbad singing?

Maybe because Sinbad was SOLVING the ongoing refugee crisis!

Did you hear that, MSM? Hillary took all the credit for the fact that I, Sinbad, SOLVED THE CRISIS IN KOSOVO!

GET TO WORK RESEARCHING THIS STORY!

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SINBAD FOR PRESIDENT! SINBAD '08!

I am dedicated to Sinbad's candidacy. Hooray!

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR SINBAD!!!

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Stephen, there are 50 states in the United States and they all should help decide who the nominee is.I guess in yours and Hillary's strategy of getting 51 percent by any means necessary, little states like Wyoming do not matter. Well, Stephen that line of thinking can come back to haunt you. That's why Hillary has egg on her face now with Mississippi voters because of her earlier disparaging comments against the state. I guess that non-Texas & Ohio size state of Mississippi matters now!

Obama is running a campaign to be President of the United States of America. He had the insight not to write off any states. That's call judgment!

No, that's called wasting your time and money. Wyoming doesn't matter and Mississippi doesn't matter either. The race for pledged delegates doesn't matter anymore because it is now impossible for either candidate to get the nomination on additional pledged delegates alone. The undecided super delegates will ultimately decide the matter, and what's more important to them is how the candidates will do in the big swing states, and the total popular vote. Obama should be saving his money and energy for Pennsylvania, which is the last chance he'll have to overtake Hillary and prove he's a viable candidate. But he's an inexperienced candidate who doesn't understand that, so he'll probably lose.

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Hillary wrote off the "little" states and look where it got her. There are plenty of superdelegates in those states and some of them (and their colleagues) are running for re-election, so the popularity of a Democratic candidate in their particular state matters. The fact that a state went red in the last presidential election doesn't mean all its Representatives and Senators are Republicans, or that the down ticket state legislators are all Republicans. Moreover, remember that the President is elected by the electoral college, not the popular vote.

Monstrous. It's true after all.

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Amen -- Kos calls it Hillary's "insult 40 states strategy" which couldn't be more true. Hillary's vaunted political machine wrote off half the country, leaving an open field for Obama and enabling him to take the delegate league. They are victims of their own strategic mistakes -- now they project their own inadequacies by blaming the process they chose to ignore.

Hillary's approach to delegates is quite bizarre. Superdelegates, that is appointed delegates rather than elected delegates, are even LESS small "d" democratic than caucus-selected delegates, yet her only option at this point largely relies on them, having completely blown their chance to win it through pledged delegates.

Moreover, Hillary's insistence that the only states that matter are the ones she carried is equally illogical. Does she really expect to win the presidency without carrying states like MD, VA, DE, IA, WI, MO, and CO? Does she really think that Barack can't carry MA, NY, or CA? The polls don't say that -- one of my favorite takeaways from the just released SUSA 50-state survey is that Barack runs stronger than Hillary in MICHIGAN! -- a state where he wasn't even on the ballot in the primary and where he has hardly set foot.

But -- I'm not about to oversell Barack's primary wins or losses as a predictor of his chances in a given state in the fall. Its like Penn says (this is a paraphrase) winning a Democratic primary is not an indicator of who will win that state in the fall. So true.

Dave in DC

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"last chance to overtake Hillary."

Hillary must overtake Obama--not the other way. Remedial logic and math classes do take furry beasts, BTW.

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It's this type of strategry that cost Democrats the 2000, 20004 elections (electoral college). And will ultimately cost Clinton the nomination. You can't lose the majority of states, delegates and the popular vote and still think you are the best candidate. If she's the best, she should COMPETE and WIN in every state.

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Are you a Republican?

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No, that's called wasting your time and money. Wyoming doesn't matter and Mississippi doesn't matter either. The race for pledged delegates doesn't matter anymore because it is now impossible for either candidate to get the nomination on additional pledged delegates alone.

It may be impossible for either candidate to get the needed majority through pledged delegates alone, but the closer the candidates' totals are, the more viable Clinton's arguments that the super delegates swing the nomination to her are.

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Overtake? She's behind. I guess you mean "lap."

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Wyoming and Mississippi doesn't matter? Christ, go choke on a rusty railroad spike. I'm tired of the Clinton campaign and its rabid supporters insulting Democrats who live in states that she is losing, in states that are smaller and in states that tend to be red. This is called the Democratic primary for a reason: every Democrat gets to make their voice heard from Alaska to Texas, from Hawaii to Maine.

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I really don't understand this meme: "Obama can't carry states that matter".

The primary is a very different beast than the general. It's Democrat vs. Democrat, which means that how a candidate does in a split vote has very little bearing on what happens when it's Democrat vs. Republican.

Just because Obama doesn't do as well against Hillary in a state like Ohio doesn't mean that when it's Obama vs. McCain all of those Clinton voters are going to vote against Obama for some reason.

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Obama is WAY ahead of Clinton. It is very unlikely she will catch up. Do the math .

Overtake? He's been leading her in pledged delegates since Iowa. He has never trailed her. The only thing he has needed to overtake her in is name recognition, and he's been doing that state-by-state since January.

The will of the people works in mysterious ways.

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Oh well, another state that doesn't count.

There it is. We are told that a growing list of American states -- now constituting, in fact, a majority of states, large, small, urban, rural, racially, ethnically and economically diverse and in every region of the country -- don't count.

Hillary: It's not that these states don't count.

It's that you can't count.

Otherwise, you'd know you've already been beaten.

And a Democratic presidency with no gain in Democratic representation in Congress has already lost, too. Democrats can't win in any "red" state until they actually try to win.

Um, Democrats will never win Texas either.

Um.

It proves that Obama gamed the system.

Them's the breaks. Hillary knew the game when she started it. Why do you think Howard Dean came up with the 50-state strategy in the first place? Because by winning so many smaller states, it actually mitigates the advantage inherent in winning big states.

Put more accurately, it fairly values the voices of every state, instead of giving all the voice to a few states.

Hillary wins two of the biggest primary states - and Ohio by a landslide - and she gets as many more delegates as Obama does in some non-democratic caucus in Wyoming.

She didn't win Texas - Obama did, by 4 delegates.

A few hundred Democrats in Wyoming, a state that democrats will never carry in November, are having more say in choosing the party nominee than the millions of Democrats who voted in Ohio and Texas.

A few hundred? Try almost 10,000. And who the hell cares if the Democrats will carry the state in November? You're telling me that Democrats in "Red States" don't get a voice in choosing their presidential nominee? Now who's trying to disenfranchise?

And Wyoming DOESN'T have more say. Wyoming only awards 12 delegates. Texas awards almost 200. If one of them had a major advantage over the other, one of them would have gotten a much larger boost from Texas. But they don't, and one didn't.

It seems that what you're really railing against is proportional representation.

The ONLY reason Obama has such a large delegate lead is because he actually paid attention to all the states Hillary claims aren't important. The only reason. He actually gave all the states that are usually ignored, a voice in the process. And you're saying that's a bad thing.

Guess it's true what they say, you can never please everyone..

Blast, epic blockquoting fail.

And that should be over 7,000, not nearly 10,000.

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In fact, it's precisely 8,762, right between your two previous estimates... :)

Is that a Howard Dean strategy? The Howard Dean? I'd forgotten that somehow? Must be a good idea if it was Howard Deans.

Are there any Democrats that Clinton supporters do like or do they save their enthusiasm for McCain?

Yeah, that's right, the same Howard Dean that was right about the war in Iraq from the very start.

In this case Howard Dean is right.
If the Dems keep relying on the same handful of swing states -- several of which have been trending republican - they will LOSE and have lost. Does George W Bush ring a bell???

The Dems need to broaden the states that they can win to remain competitive. period.

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Actually, it proves that Obama was prepared and Hillary wasn't. It also proves he has a 50-state plan, while Hillary only has a blue-states-plus-one plan. It's a plan that has failed us the last two elections. Why should it work this year? Especially if Hillary gets the nomination, which she doesn't have the organization to do. The most important campaign in her life, and she doesn't have a Plan B after Super Tuesday? Geez, it's hardly any wonder that most states, delegates and voters have backed Obama. When that phone call comes at 3am, I doubt Hillary has a clue how to handle it. I base this on her poorly managed campaign. She's been fierce lately, but you can't "negative campaign" your way out of a national security crisis. Or a campaign that's already lost.

Hillary had no plan. She mismanaged the biggest thing she's ever had to manage: her campain. She's going to lose because she lost states that she thought were unimportant. Now, watch the Clintons scramble in Mississippi. It's suddenly important and on Tuesday, the voters there will show her just what they think of her and her dismissals of them.

Go ahead, make excuses. Try to brush off Obama's wins. Move some goal posts. Hillary followers seem to be sore losers just like their candidate who can't seem to congratulate Senator Obama for all his wins.

Face it, he's going to be the candidate. He'll win California, New York, New Jersey, etc. and probably a bunch of red states too in the general election. He's a loyal Democrat who follows the rules and saw the wisdom in a 50-state strategy. The Superdelegates who are holding out are not chumps who are going to break up the Democratic Party with Clinton bullying and spin.

Hillary will never catch up. She had no plan because of her and her campaign's arrogance in her "inevitable" days. But, take comfort because she is a good senator and has a bright future to look forward too there. The country is fortunate that we'll have her representing New York and possibly even as majority leader some day.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

this always gets a laugh!

HOW MUCH MORE EXCELLENT NEWS!! CAN SHE TAKE???!!!

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Four

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They're dancing in the streets in Alqaedabad.

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Clearly there are a lot of latte-drinkers in Wyoming who don't really need a president

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joyriding around in their limousines...

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Don't forget those Birkenstocks they all wear.

Damn hippie cowboys.

Wyoming doesn't matter. The only reason Obama won is because his cousin Dick Cheney is from Wyoming.

What does it matter if it's two or four? Mark Penn just told me Wyoming doesn't count.

And as FlyOnTheWall keeps reminding us, this also means another "appointed" superdelegate or two as well.

It's amusing how people view these separate primaries or caucuses as part of one horserace, instead of independent dots in a series. So, this dot now cancels out the dots from Tuesday that made it look like Hillary had "momentum."

It's good news for the overall delegate count. But can PA really "cancel out" all these wins by Obama?

No.

It can't.

Keep the faith.

another section came in, at 59-40-1 atm.
Only one more section to go.

Not only does Wyoming count, we all count. That's one of the important things I learned when Hillary Clinton, Sheryl Crow and I solved the refugee crisis in Kosovo.

Every state matters because all people matter. All races, all creeds, all ages.

NOW WHEN DO I GET MY FRONT PAGE POST?!

I SOLVED THE REFUGEE CRISIS IN KOSOVO FOR GODSSAKES!

How 'bout a Nobel, three ways?

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God, I think I look forward to these Sinbad posts even more than I do idiotic's.

Thank you for your service to our nation Sinbad. Without your dedication to diplomacy, this truly would be A Different World indeed.

It's a 2-delegate win tonight (7-5) w/ another guaranteed to go Obama's way at the state convention (8-5). This result's been set in stone for hours and I don't know why CNN's confused or why TPM's using CNN as a primary source on this. CNN was calling tied counties for Hillary online until a couple hours ago.

Doesn't matter, anyway. http://godhatesobama.com/

My god! I can't thank you enough for that link. The heavens opened and celestial choirs ... Well, you know the rest.

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Obama Math: Wyoming cubed = California + Ohio + Texas + Florida (pending) + Michigan (pending). Cattle are people too!

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You do realize that he has won 28 contests to her 15 right? Almost double, and by much much much larger margins.

Just putting that out there...in case you are really trying to make it sound like he has only won Wyoming..

Clinton math: screw math, destroy Obama to the point that party big-wigs steal the nomination for you.

Apparently she and Rove had the same math teacher.

Why even do the math!

Why even go to math class or hope for a better grade, when you can just convince the School board to tell untruths abouth the math teacher and have him/her fired!

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John McCain says that he will maintain George W. Bush's Domestic and Foreign Policies. Hillary Rodham Clinton has endorsed John McCain over Senator Obama.

Hillary Is The New Lieberman!

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http://www.petitiononline.com/hcinctax/petition.html

For those who think transparency and disclosure is important; and would like to see Senator Clinton's tax returns now - not at some ambiguous future time.

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Interesting....

56,000 people eligible to vote in the Wyoming caucaus....Total actually voting less than 7,000. So the decision was made by less than 12% of the voters. If you look at the other state caucauses there are similar stats. If you look at all the hanky panky that the Obama people did (also well documented) like blocking parking lots, bringing in outside people, prolonging the debate...etc, etc....the caucauses are ridiculous. Looking ahead to the general election....when all the people vote...Obama will either have to figure out a new way to manipulate the process(and he very well might) or the Dems will be big losers.

Obama does bring a new kind of politis to the table...politics that are blatantly negative, false, lying is acceptable (Iraq, Nafta, health care...etc) and manipulating the political process. For all of you who have drank the koolaide....you are a sorry lot!!!

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The turnout was something like 13.4 percent today, and four years ago, only 675 people showed up to caucus in Wyoming. That turnout was ten times that today, which bodes well for us!

Singfam, I think you've crossed the threshhold. Congrats.

too rich. 'nuf said

So you're saying the problem is Hillary couldn't find 3500 people in Wyoming to vote for her? But I thought the Clintons' had strong ties there from their vacation in Jackson Hole?

I hate it when covert Obama operatives like singfan write stuff like this to solicit even more donations from his supporters. In fact 86 Obama supporters I e-mailed moments ago have e-replied to me that right after reading this, they went to barackobama.com and made yet another donation.

A Clinton supporter I know, who is a Nobel laureate in mathematics and economics, came up with a logarithm for me, and I've just crunched some numbers with it. According to this formula (margin of error less than 0.01%), this one post will result in another $12,335 going straight into the Obama campaign coffers.

If you've been wondering why Obama will rake in more than 1 BILLION US$ before November, THIS is one more reason why.

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You, sir, are an idiot. Nobody was turned away at the WY caucuses. There were no ïrregularities." All Hillary needed was another 1,500 supporters and it would have been 50-50, and she couldn't pull it together with 50,000* available democrats? Just try to be gracious for once in your life. I guess in the Hillary has to be the next President, or else"" world, grace is not that easy to come by.

No, actual voting > 7,500. Not less than 7,000.

And as for blocked parking lots - You ARE aware, aren't you, that Wyoming has one precinct per county, and there are 23 counties. Why? Because typically Wyoming has only ever had very small caucuses: 30-40 people. So they always reserved small venues; some were even held in people's living rooms in past years.

This year, organizers had to scramble to find larger venues, and when that happens you're invariably going to run into situations where the venue is smaller than the crowd and there's.. tada.. no parking.

And MT from CC is right - you're telling me that even though she campaigned in the state, Hillary couldn't round up 1500 more people to go caucus?

That's what should worry you more.


Singfam,

Just to brighten your day......I donated another C-Note to Barack's campaign.

I don't denigrate.....I donate!

Peace be with ya!

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Okay, they can say this one doesn't matter, but they can't say it's unrepresentative. More than eight thousand people showed up. I'm pretty sure that's every Democrat in Wyoming.

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A clear sign that these will be 3 really big electoral votes for Obama in November.

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NC Steve...56,000 dems eligible to vote....7,000 showed...not a representative sample!!

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Singfam, you need to learn the meaning of the words that you use.

7000 out of 56,000 is a representative sample. 700 out of 56,000 would have been a representative sample if they were randomly selected.


It's not representative because it's not random. It only counts voters who care.

SHAME ON YOU for suggesting Hillary supporters don't care!!!

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Tainted votes, tainted delegates. . It's so unfair that the results of an election have to depend on motivated voters, while all the others -- for whom the process is terribly complicated and the thought of rubbing elbows with their fellow citizens for two hours is more than they can bear -- must languished in state of disenfranchisement. I was so proud that Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea spent time and money to go Wyoming to condole with all these oppressed people and to reassure them that help is soon on the way. It will be a bright day in American when the Clintons finally get control of the Democratic party and can work to rid it of this unjust system. Oh wait, I forgot: they were already in control of the party for 8 years. Hum. They must have been stymied by the state caucus lobby. Yeah, that must of been it.

You don't mess with Big Caucus.

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I was making a joke. See, Wyoming is notorious for being a gigantic state with not very many people . . . oh, never mind.

Sigh. Primaries are not "representative samples" either. Primary voters are self-selecting and, in most years, that means only the most committed partisan voters vote in their state's primary. Know what that sounds like to me? Know what else has a self-selection process that winnows out only the most committed partisan voters? A caucus.

Christ, if we wanted the president to be selected by "a representative sample," we'd abolish elections altogether and just take a damn poll on the first Tuesday in November. That way we could expand the franchise to people who are too stupid and lazy to inform themselves and then drive to a polling place and vote.

"Plouffe also made some of his most aggressive comments yet about Hillary's assault on Obama, saying outright that she has chosen a "scorched earth" strategy designed to "destroy Senator Obama in some way" in order to get the super-delegates to see him as un-electable and hence support her."

Plouffe is also 100 percent correct.

Hey Musgrove, not to change the subject, but that avatar looks like a painting of Coltrane that I saw somewhere. Am I right?

nope, i just took the default avatar and messed around with it with a very basic picture editor.

Does this mean we can replace a week of "Wolfson says . . ." post with "Plouffe says . . ." posts

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Damn it feels good to be an Obaman today. Victory in the great state of Wyoming is sweeter than I thought it would be. What a country.

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Bill Clinton is offering the Vice Presidential slot to Senator Obama.

So much for all that Hillary as a Big Strong Independent Woman who would be in totally in charge. Bill is the one who is selecting and openly offering the Vice President slot to Senator Obama. I guess Bill and Hillary do not feel that Big Strong Hillary is capable of handling that selection process.

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Bill & Hill just saying: HEY BARRY, BACK OF THE (TICKET) BUS!

What @$$h0l3ssss

When will Obama offer the vice-presidency to Bill?

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Bring on Mississippi. Let's stack some more chips in Obama's column. Every state in this awesome land of ours counts. VICTORY!

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I have a dream ticket for you....Hillary/Sinbad. Think it over, Mr. Penn et al.; you have to admit it has promise.

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Petition Clinton to disclose her tax returns. In the comment section suggest asking that she please also disclose her records as First Lady and her and her husband's $500 million charity which also employed some of their key campaign staffers and received tens of millions in donations from their top campaign donors.

http://www.petitiononline.com/hcinctax/petition.html

Inside tip: I spoke with the Senator Clinton and told her to gather a band of gladiators outside the Forum. I told her that when Obama happens by, they should beat him with rotten mullets! She loved the plan and has sent Marcus Pennus to carry it out...