Obama Wins Mississippi, Networks Say
MSNBC and Fox call Mississippi for Obama. No totals yet.
So how does this effect Obama's delegate lead? Pretty much no matter what happens, he'll equal -- based on tonight's results alone -- Hillary's gains on March 4th.
MSNBC's Chuck Todd is crunching the math right now on the air. If Obama gets 63% or more he'll net nine delegates. If he gets less than that, he's still likely to net seven -- which, again, would equal Hillary's March 4th gains.
More in a bit.
Late Update: Political obsessives were asking today what sort of results Obama would get among whites in this deep south state. The exits show that he got barely a quarter. She only won a meager one out of 10 blacks.
But, in an interesting finding, Obama won handily among low and middle income voters, indeed among almost all income groups, and only lost to Hillary among voters with a family income over $75,000.
What's more, Mississippi voters, at least, see Hillary as the negative candidate in the race by a large margin. Fifty-nine percent said she attacked him unfairly, while only 38% said he attacked her unfairly (though that could end up roughly tracking with the spread of the electorate in general).
Late Update: The latest results: With 29% in, Obama leads, 56%-42%. But the spread is likely to grow, so he's got a shot at getting his total over 60%. Obama's expected to net at least seven delegates tonight.
Late Update: An interesting moment from Obama on CNN -- he makes a subtle allusion to the heavy-artillery that Hillary has been lobbing at him of late:
I have been careful to say, that I think that Senator Clinton is a capable person and that should she win the nomination, obviously, I would support her. You know, I'm not sure that we have been getting that same approach from the Clinton campaign.
This line from Obama, obviously, is a wry reference to Hillary's repeated claim that he hasn't passed the "commander in chief test" and that he won't be able to face John McCain with the "lifetime of experience" that she has under her belt. But in fairness, it should be noted that the Hillary camp has repeatedly said that she will "enthusiastically" support Obama should he become the Dem nominee.















reposting this since i think it says a lot.
Is your opinion of John McCain:
Category % Total Clinton Obama
Strongly favorable 13 76 23
Somewhat favorable 24 54 44
Somewhat unfavorable 24 34 66
Strongly unfavorable 35 25 75
March 11, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought he'd already erased her net gain with his victory in the Texas Caucus and the +8 he picked up out of California. Or is my math off?
March 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
You aren't off. Greg is not counting the California adjustment reported on TPM.
According to Chuck Todd from MSNBC( a source noted by Josh Marshall himself)Obama will have a 160 elected delegate lead after tonight.
March 11, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
yet another piece OF EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
!!!HILLMENTUMâ„¢!!!!
March 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Incredibly, idiotic, I logged onto TPM tonight in part just to read that.
March 12, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. or Ms. idiotic (is that really your name?), the major networks have a political analyst job waiting for you.
March 12, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Im still selling shirts for every EXCELLENT NEWS, gets in.
http://www.zazzle.com/this_excellent_news_for_hillary_shirt-235456910823818404
lol
I would love to see someone wear one of these shirts during her speeches...
March 12, 2008 6:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also I will donate $1 towards the Obama campaign for each sell
March 12, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that shifts in the California and Texas delegates and additional superdelegates more than erased that March 4 margin already.
Still, it shows the beauty of a 50 state strategy. Why couldn't Hillary have run in all 50 states from the beginning given her early financial resources? The only answer I can think of: she was too busy paying consultants.
March 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take that, race baiting Team Hillary! You can't KKK your way to the nomination.
March 11, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks to the California certification last week (Obama +4, Clinton -4 = 8), those gains were already gone.
I said this in the Ferraro thread, but both CNN and MSNBC are reporting the Texas caucus win as an official *win* (CNN's changed their map.) And Chuck Todd is reporting the CA certification. All of this is good for Obama.
March 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama can thank his lucky black stars that he's black so he got 90% of the black vote from black people voting for a black man
That 73% of whites that voted for Clinton know that when the phone rings at 3 AM in the morning, Sinbad and Hillary will be ready to have Tea with Irish ladies
March 11, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Going by CNN's exit poll (using vote by sex), I came up with:
Obama 59%
Clinton 41%
March 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see how you can calim a winner in a state when the results haven't come in and half the votes haven't been counted...... I sure would would laugh if he lost and i'll still laugh if he wins by a small percent.
33 delegates is all....
Hillary will be the talk of the town in April:):)
GO HILLARY!!!!!!
March 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exit polls and racism are sometimes difficult to comprehend.
March 11, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks can't claim a Mississippi winner now but you can claim Hillary on top a month from now??
Don't hold your breath on that prediction.
March 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
33 delegates is all
But when Hillary picked up 8 on all of Super Tuesday II that was sufficient reason to justify continuing her nasty negative campaign. Can you say "d-o-u-b-l-e s-t-a-n-d-a-r-d"?
March 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again proving that all they got left is magical thinking.
"And then the Good Fairy of First Wave Feminism will descend and wave her wand and all of these misguided women who've been betraying their gender will get a do-over and all the blacks will see that Hillary knows what's best for them and all the people who like her will triple in number, then all those past votes for Obama will turn out to have been cunted wrong and will be changed to votes for her, and Florida and Michigan's delegations will be seated, except all of their delegates will be for her, and then Rezko will confess at the trial that he and Obama planted Jimmy Hoffa's body in that vacant lot before going out to dinner with John Wayne Gacy, and everyone will WAKE UP and see that Hillary is the bestest, most wonderfullest of all and she will finally receive her due."
March 11, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Er, counted wrong. Sorry. Not a freudian slip. (Yes it was!) (Quiet, damn you, mysterous voices in my head!)
March 11, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
net +9 Delegates. more than clintons net from march 4th.
FL and MI have no business being allowed to revote. how do you let the states that cheated now be allowed to become MORE influential than almost any others?? FOUL PLAY fo' sho'.
March 11, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt you are referring to the impending release of her tax returns.
~Jess
March 12, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Love it. idiotic for VP!(with apologies to Sinbad.)
March 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last week BO got tore up in the media...So far HRC is having the worst week ever...My how quickly things change....
March 11, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mississippi may no longer be "burning" as Obama wins there!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-continues-momentum-and.html#links
March 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I guess he had to win Wyoming and Mississippi before he could win Texas?
March 11, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although Obama is projected winner by MSNBC with that check mark. With 4% of the precinct in Hillary's carrying a 7% lead over him at the moment. Hopefully that changes. :S
March 11, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The exit polls continue to be extremely ominous for Obama. The election in the south and border states has become an almost complete black/white split. While it currently helps Obama it will be disastrous for the Democrats in the general election. Current national polls also show this trend spreading to other areas, i.e., Pennsylvannia and New Jersey. This is an election trend that needs to be discussed intelligently otherwise democrats may not be celebrating in November.
March 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, gee, if we assume, as Hillary's supporters are forever doing, that every Democrat who voted for Hillary will vote for McCain if Obama wins, it is a disaster.
But likewise, if every Obama supporter votes for McCain if Hillary wins, it will likewise be a disaster.
Only way the former happens is if Hillary's camp keeps up the racial dogwhistling and keeps saying McCain is better prepared to be President than Obama. Only way the latter happens is if Hillary steals the nomination.
March 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what does "discussed intelligently" mean actually? Are you saying that because he is an African American that he is unelectable in the GE? Should we take your "ominous" warning further and just go ahead and give the nod to Hillary for the nomination because there are racists in this country and she's white?
The South has been a repug bastion for a generation now. It's about the last stronghold of the GOP in general. They tend not to vote for anyone as President who's not from the south (while the rest of the country will vote for southerners, as well as their own). Perhaps Obama needs a southern VP then.
Of course, the south also can't stand Hillary and there is just no way in hell she can win the Deep South states.
March 11, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the state by state polling that shows both Obama and Clinton beating McCain in the electoral college counts as a point in an intelligent discussion.
What else you got, Hank?
March 11, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ray, Twirling,
Chuck Todd, MSNBC's political director, was just discussing with Chris Matthews the very points that I raised but much better than I did. He had a ton of statistics and concluded that the Obama people should be very worried about this trend. I call that an intelligent discussion even though it was on MSNBC.
March 11, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
but what's your point? I asked you a couple questions about what you would like to get out of this discussion
March 11, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Latinos will come in for him in the GE, not to worry. So will Asians, Native Americans, White, Independents, Republicans with half a brain, and any decent human being who wants to stay out of Iran.
President Barack Obama... coming soon to a republic near you!
March 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
race is going to be tight.... shows that they are both at 49%.... its 9:11pm edt.
March 11, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, sit down, because this is going to be a bolt from the blue, but I hate to see you setting yourself up for a disappointment this way.
See, they do these things called "exit polls" during elections. They tend to be pretty accurate. If the exit polls show the candidates are within three or four points, they hold off on calling the race until some votes come in so they can be sure. If the exit polls show a blow out, which, I realize you guys have almost no experience with, they call it as soon as the polls close.
They called this one as soon as the polls closed.
March 11, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol. This HC08 person is hilarious.
March 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Disaster.
March 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a luck f**k to be black. He doesn't know a shit about what it takes be a white like 43 other folks in this country and still become a became president.
I thought we didn't have to live with the sins of our fathers. Little did I know Geraldine's of the world are still not DEAD.
GO Obama!!! White unlucky me supports black lucky you.
March 11, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
why are they calling it for him already? less than 100 votes separate them!
March 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I highly doubt CNN and MSNBC, et. al., would project Obama as the winner tonight if they didn't have the information to back that up.
Obama won Mississippi tonight.
March 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Usually rural votes are reported first. 11% of the Limbaugh Repubs probably in villages are showing up in the early returns.
Major towns report much later. We saw Obama closing about 10 points while the last 20% of the precinct reportings came in.
March 11, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean in OH.
March 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
as of 9:38pm edt.... obama is betting hillary by 5,000 votes:(
23% of the vote has been counted.
CNN....MSNBC....FOX says obama has won.....
can't wait to see how much he won by when it is all said and done.
March 11, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
depair:(... IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, as of 9:44, BO has 56%, HRC has 42% with 28% of the precincts in
March 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
despair.
March 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
she is losing by 12,000 votes.... not looking good for hillary..... 56% obama and 42% for clinton and 29% of the vote has been counted so far.... all news channels are calling it for obama.
he could reach 60% of the vote when it is all said and done:(
7:45pm edt
March 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The republican areas came in first which is why she wasnt doing as bad early on since she won the republican vote by big numbers.
March 11, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
How did you not see this coming? Come on. If you're interested in politics, do yourself a favor, spare yourself some grief, and get some facts behind your enthusiasm.
You do realize that after tonight Obama is ahead in pledged delegates by about 170. Right? There are only 158 delegates total in Pennsylvania.
Hillary would have to win 107% of the state to even break even. Realistically she'll win by maybe 15 points. Her best case, being very generous, is a 20 point spread, netting about a 30 delegate gain.
She'll still be behind by 140 delegates, and need over three more Pennsylvania, which simply don't exist.
Sorry, but that's the math. You might want to consider taking Hillary's advice, and get a "reality check." Or is Hillary's camp also borrowing from Obama the "audacity of hope" after "change" and "yes she can."
March 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mississippi
Updated 1 minute ago
County: Table | Map
Exit Poll
Obama 53,920 55% 6 31%
reporting
Clinton 41,419 43% 3
Here ya go Guys from CNN not more than 5 Min ago!!!!
March 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's going to win 60-40.
March 11, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it would be 57-42.
March 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would be a lot higher if it was only democrats funny enough.
March 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
now on to pennsylvania. hopefully, the clinton camp will keep stepping in sh*t.
March 11, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll raise you that, Josh Hussein.
I think he'll win 62-38.
March 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I SO hope you are right! I'm betting 58-40 myself.
March 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, I think you might win this poker round, my friend!
But it's still only 92% reporting as of 11:25 PM EST.
March 11, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
60-39.
the real story is in the SW Cong District. If he can get to 75 there he can get the 4-1 split and net 9. it's going to be VERY close to 75% there...
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/MS.html
March 11, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you see how the Hillary argument works?
Let's look at the argument they are building -- (more Okidoke ahead):
1. If you support Barack, it is because he is black.
2. If you support Hillary, it is not because you have a problem with Barack being black, it is because he is simply not as qualified as she is.
(Despite his leading the contest by every objective measure available to mere mortal rank-and-file voters. I am pretty sure that people were thinking about his qualifications to be president when they voted, in fact, I am pretty sure that is the whole point of a vote. But perhaps Super Delegates also have Super Powers of Perception we don't?)
3. Ah! But we Democrats are civilized and enlightened compared to our Republican brethren. WE may be ready for a Person of Color to be President -- but the average American just isn't ready. (Drop voice to a whisper) The truth is... Americans won't vote for a black candidate. They won't vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
(Ignore the fact that Americans of every color, stripe, shape, and creed already ARE voting for him -- Obama brings over Independents and Republicans support that Hillary cannot hope to win over, he will carry EVERY Blue State she does -- yes, including Big States -- plus he puts a bunch of Red States into play, creating tentpole opportunities across the board for Obama Dems down ticket.)
Yawn. Running out of Kitchen Sink, Hillary?
March 11, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
10:22pm edt....
57% obama
41% clinton
62% of the vote is in.
winning by 40,000 votes
March 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good news for Obama from Texas. CNN reports that Obama wins the caucus handily, beats Clinton overall in delegates:
"After a comprehensive review of these results, CNN estimates that Obama won more support from Texas caucus-goers than Clinton. Based on the state party's tally, Obama's caucus victory translates into 38 national convention delegates, compared to 29 for Clinton.
And though Clinton won more delegates than Obama in the primary, 65 to 61, Obama's wider delegate margin in the caucuses gives him the overall statewide delegate lead, 99 to 94 -- or once superdelegate endorsements are factored in, 109 to 106."
March 11, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iam getting tired of the MSM saying Hillary could win NC, NC is going to Obama. GET OVER IT!!! GAH
March 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But in fairness, it should be noted that the Hillary camp has repeatedly said that she will "enthusiastically" support Obama should he become the Dem nominee."
And that he's not qualified, but McCain is. Oh, and that she wants him as VP, despite being unqualified, and his being in first place lead in every measure. And she was for the war before she was against it. And she never supported NAFTA, except when her husband was its architect, and she praised it for over a decade.
Hillary is for change. She changes what she says all the time!
(That people would even think of running another establishment phony, after Kerry... it boggles the mind.)
March 11, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
HillaryClinton08: that figure (62%) represents precincts reporting, not voting population.
March 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
sheesh.
March 11, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning, pour myself a big cup of coffee, and start scanning the Web for some Democratic leaders with some huevos who have spoken up to try and end this thing.
I hope I find some.
March 11, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I might just replay the Pelosi video from today. She didn't seem too keen on the Clintons. Six weeks to PA is a loooooong time.
March 11, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I guess Mississippi doesn't count either. Gee, the country is getting smaller and smaller. At the end of the day will we be left with just Rhode Island?
March 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
82 percent of the precincts have voted...
59% obama
39% clinton
he won big....
time to move forward
March 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
A darn site more than the single digit win that a certain someone had predicted earlier today. Don't worry though, we all let entheusiasm cloud our faculties at times. You are hardly the first person in the world to make that mistake.
March 12, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of Republicans voted for Clinton in Ole Miss, continuing the GOP strategy of trying to help Clinton win the nomination (a la Limbaugh) because she is there preferred candidate against Mac. Were it not for this factor, Obama would be winning by an even larger margin.
From Alex Koppelman at Slate.
"In open primaries, Obama has traditionally done better among Republicans and independents than Clinton has, but on Tuesday, Clinton won big among Republicans. 13 percent of the total electorate was Republican; they went for Clinton 77-23. Obama took independents, who accounted for 17 percent of voters, 51-48."
March 11, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I voted for Obama today and I must say I'm very disappointed in the results. I think he may eventually carry MS 60-40 but he should have done better. My read on why he didn't is the following.
1) I have to hand it to the Clintons. For once they took this meaningless red state more seriously than Barack did. He made two appearances one in Columbia and one in Jackson while the Clintons collectively made about 10 appearances. I think her hard work paid off and may have gotten her a delegate or two tonight. Her one big mistake was probably the Barack as vice president argument that Bill and Hillary both made here which was not only contemptuous but blatantly dismissive and served to further distance her from the African American community.
2) The most heavily Republican districts, districts 1 + 4, didn't have any real reason to vote Republican so a lot of them, at the request of Mr Limbaugh, crossed over and voted for Hillary. This really makes me wonder how much of an affect freelance Republican votes are going to have on this race from here on out.
3) I think another tactical mistake that Barack made was is choice of location for his rallies. By having his one big rally at JSU, a traditionally black school, he sent the message to a lot of white democrats that he was a running to be a president for blacks instead of being a president who happens to be black. I believe this turned off a lot of white democrats who would have supported him. Had he done just one event in a predominantly white area it would have gone a long way.
I have to admit though I am more than a little bothered by the exit polls that seem to indicate a much higher level of racism in MS than I had thought. Still, thanks to a 90-10 split among African Americans Barack will carry MS by a significant margin. Given his numbers with white voters though I would place is chances in the general somewhere between slim and none.
March 11, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama winning by 20 points, with Hillary getting the Republican vote 3 to 1 is "dissapointing." Lol. Sure.
That's a Hillary supporter for ya or maybe a Republican.
March 12, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, Steve, Obama needs to be more aggressive taking his campaign to the heart of the enemy's strength. In Pennsylvania, he can do a rally in Philly and Pittsburgh, but he should spend most of his time in the smaller towns in-between. Once people meet him, they tend to like him.
March 12, 2008 5:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, Steve, Obama needs to be more aggressive taking his campaign to the heart of the enemy's strength. In Pennsylvania, he can do a rally in Philly and Pittsburgh, but he should spend most of his time in the smaller towns in-between. Once people meet him, they tend to like him.
March 12, 2008 5:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's up 80K votes.
This one's over, clap-clap, clap-clap-clap.
March 11, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton most likely would of barely gotten 30 percent if it was a closed primary.
March 11, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not just look at the percentages but also at the popular vote: with 89% reporting Obama has a plurality of about 64,000.
Obama 214,944 59%
Clinton 140,701 39
89% reporting
Obama is on track to lead by popular vote, delegate count, and states won. Of course none of this matters.
March 11, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC: Pre-election poll showed Obama with 14% lead, so he outperforms the polls again. Something to look out for as PA approaches.
Barack Obama 223,041 60% 15
Hillary Clinton 143,643 38% 12
91% of precincts reporting
March 11, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slightly off topic but in most every race so far I have been amazed that despite state after state reporting record turnout the next Secretary of State still makes the same mistake and underestimates the voter turnout. This morning I heard PRM interview Delbert Hosemann the MS Secretary of State who said he only expects moderate turnout of about 10% of the registered MS voters. MS has about 1.7 registered voters. My my count with 90% reporting about 500,000 people have voted or about 29% of the registered voters.
As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does."
In his defense though I have not yet heard of people having to wait in long lines so far.
March 11, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think more impressive than the 3 delegate advantage is the 80,000+ vote plurality. This is going to help him look better with the superdelegates.
March 11, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
He will have 9 delegate advantage in MS, enough to wipe out her Ohio "big" state delegate win.
It's clear with about 80,000 more on popular vote tonight, he has added a few more pledged delegates (16 more in my calculations) including the california swing since March 4. So he now has a overall lead of 170-175 pledged delegateds. Even if Hillary wins by 25 delegate margin in PA. He will retain the 150 delegate lead going to NC primary;
March 11, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
heh going to a meeting this week to start preparing for the NC primary.
March 11, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
o new update on the count. 95% Reporting
Obama 234,594 60%
Clinton 148,673 38%
March 11, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like he will end up with at least a 90,000+ in votes.
March 11, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well the last area where Hillary could gain some numbers came in and it wasn't enough to shift away from 60-38. 3 more districts to go and they are highly likely to go heavy obama.
March 11, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
LISB:
I think you're the winner in your margin prediction. Atleast you'll come the closest. It looks like 61-39 at the end of the night.I went conservative not to spell a curse over a 20 point win that I always wanted.
BTW- Now he leads the popular vote by about 700,000 votes.
March 12, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's why Obama won landslide victories in Idaho, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Maine ... all the states with a huge population of blacks and latte drinkers.
March 12, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
wow, these Hillary supporters and Republicans are really bitter.
March 12, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lanny Davis on Larry King talking about how Miss doesn't matter, it hasn't gone Democratic in 30 years....that Hillary is the one who can win Penn, Ohio, Florida, the key swing states, blah, blah, blah. (I know, its late and I should be in bed, not watching drivel)
I hear this argument every day, and it just gets more ridiculous. What I don't ever hear are commentators pointing out the absurdity. By what logic will Hillary voters fail to support Barack Obama? If you're argument is that they're racists, then that just sucks, and shame on them.
March 12, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
What they always fail to say is that if Gore won any other state in 2000 he could of won the election with out winning Florida OR Ohio. Now Obama seems to be able to pick up many different states.
March 12, 2008 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hank, there is no "trend" there at all, ominous or otherwise, for either candidate.
FYI Barack Obama won by blowout margins in Wisconsin, Virginia and Delaware, and also took Missouri and Connecticut.
These are all very White states, all primaries (two of them closed primaries), and Obama won every single one of them, carrying a large percentage or even outright majority of the White vote in each.
White voters in State A don't necessarily vote like White voters in State B. Don't get carried away with misleading "trends" when a moment's analysis shows them to have no backing.
March 12, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hooray for Mississippi. Welcome to the "states that do not matter" club.
March 12, 2008 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fun stat update: The Obama win in Mississippi is close to the amount Hillary got out of the Texas primary. 97k + for Obama today and i dont know how big the last district is so he could pull out over 100k. Hillary got just under 101k in Texas.
March 12, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did anyone watch that Obama-Wolf Blitzer interview? Barack is a frakkin sonambulist! What the hells he trying to do--put us to sleep before the 3 am phone call? Or like Wolf just woke HIM up at 3 am! "What does this win in Mississippi mean to you?" "It's just another..." Just another what? Look happy, Big "O," you just Ole' Miss! Look alive, smile, say something--anything but blah jobs this, blah blah change blah blah the people want blah blah! Don't be so ... Obamonotone!
Barack, wake up! RRRRRIIIINNNNGGG!
RRRRIIIINNNNGGG!
RRRIIINNNGGG!
March 12, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
oops, I mean four more.
March 12, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
61-37 and million votes margin victory in MS. Also, CNN declares Obama winner of TX caucus and predicts he will net more delegates than Hillary out of TX.
Good days work.
BTW, Hillary endorses McCain and 13% Repubs vote for her. May be she should run on as a republican for congress (NOT SENATE) from Missisipi in November. Her date has expired here in New York.
March 12, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
More republicans Voted for Hillary then republicans who voted for Huckabee.
March 12, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
61-37 100,000 vote margin.
Time for Hillary to leak a muslim photo, yell at the cameras, compare him to Karl Rove, darken his picture in a new tv ad, and endorse McCain.
Oh Wait, she already did that.
13% voted for Hillary and she endorsed McCain, may be she is planning to run for congress for MS in November. Her date has definetly expired in New York.
March 12, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
may Hillary is waiting to see if Obama gets assassinated?
March 12, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me that Obama is the real divider - over race. 90% of blacks voted for Obama and 70% of whites for Clinton. If anywhere near the same racial divide holds in the general election, we're looking at a landslide for John McCain.
March 12, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just hope you don't make a living analyzing numbers.
March 12, 2008 2:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't recall Obama saying anything divisive. Hillary, on the other hand...
March 12, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
This divide is among democrats. While recognizing that this is a big racial divide, and as a liberal democrat I find it a little depressing, it doesn't mean jack for November.
Just because 70% of Whites that voted in today's Democratic Primary voted for Clinton. It doesn't mean that 70% of them will vote for John McCain in November. Remember that number includes Republicans that crossed over. Most of them crossed over to vote against Barack. Not FOR Hillary. They will be voting for McCain anyway. And a large percentage of those white Democrats will vote for Obama in November. When given the choice they may prefer Hillary. But when it comes down to it, many will vote for Obama.
March 12, 2008 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did anybody notice that Obama's popular-vote margin in Mississippi -- he won by 100,000 votes -- is the same as Hillary's popular-vote margin in Texas?
And that, notwithstanding the fact that about 7% of the total vote was cast for Hillary by Limbaugh's ditto-heads. (Unlike earlier contests, where Obama drew the bulk of crossover votes, in Mississippi Hillary won the crossover vote 3-1. Now *maybe* some of that is white racists honestly crossing over to support Ferraro's comments, but much more was merely Republican prank voting, now that there is no longer a Republican contest to vote in.
March 12, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know where this idea that Republicans are trying to nominate Hillary is coming from.
Oh, that's right, we do know - the Obama camp. But in fact, all the exit polls - including in Texas - show that more Republicans voted for Obama than Clinton.
According to the Obamatons, when a Republican votes for Obama it's because of his bi-partisain appeal, and it shows that he can win in the general election. But when a Republican votes for Clinton it proves that they're picking the weakest candidate for McCain to go against. Funny how that works.
March 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't need to be contributing to this racial divide storyline. As anyone who has ever actually lived in the South could tell you, for a black candidate to get 3 in 10 white votes against a white candidate is DAMN GOOD!!! A practically titanic shift from where things were 20 years ago.
Idjits.
March 12, 2008 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Folks, I'm really concerned at the way Obama's achievements are being treated in the press. The front page of Wednesday's New York Times has not a word about Mississippi. The online homepage has the applicable headline in small type near the bottom of the page, and, when clicked, the first paragraph runs thus:
"With a six-week breather before the next primary, Hillary Rodham Clinton turned her attention to Pennsylvania and beyond to counter the latest in a string of victories by Barack Obama in Southern states with large black voting blocs."
It then goes on largely to dismiss the Mississippi event. The piece (from the AP, not even the Times's own writers) is studded with this sort of thing:
"He hoped for a win sizable enough to erase most if not all of Clinton's 11-delegate gain from last week, when she won three primaries."
Mon Dieu.
March 12, 2008 5:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Conservatively speaking (so to speak), if only half of Clinton's Mississippi crossover vote can be ascribed to Limbaugh-inspired Republicans seeking to sully Obama and (In their wildest dreams) help Hillary wrest the nomination from him (and thus assure a McCain victory in November), the Obama margin would have been even greater.
March 12, 2008 6:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Checking the RCP site, I note that in 20 states (SC, AK, ID, ND, VT, KS, CO, MN, GA, IL, NE, LA, DC, VA, MD, HI, VT, WY, MS, WA) since the opening contests in IA and NH, Clinton has failed to clear 40% of the vote. And ten of those were primaries. In only TWO states (AR, OK) has Obama failed to clear the 40% hurdle. He cleared 40% in NY, she didn't come close in IL. He is clearly running a 50 state contest and is competitive across the country. She has written off a huge swath of the country in her quest to be President of the Blue States of America.
One question: Washington, Nevada, Maine, and Iowa have not released popular votes for their caucuses. Will they be doing that? It is concerning that in running the popular vote total without those states the Obama margin is diminished - and people say the superdelegates will be looking at that total as they make their decisions. Anybody know anything?
March 12, 2008 7:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Iowa was around 300,000. Nevada was around 150,000 and Washington was around 150,000 or so. The news reports right after the caucuses gave an estimate.
March 12, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yay Obama. Way to go on winning MS.
As far as the whole GD this goes, I'm now in the camp that feels that it was completely intentional. And it's sad that she's now basically making the claim that all of his accomplishments in life and in this election, are due to the color of his skin and some sort of affirmative action.
So according to Hillary, now:
Small States don't matter
Big States that voted for Obama don't matter
Caucus states don't matter
Primary states that voted for Obama don't matter
The AA vote doesn't matter
All of Obama's votes don't matter
March 12, 2008 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
oops, missed the sarcasm. But then, Hillary supporters do say such things.
Anyways, it's pretty amazing Obama won by 23 point s considering he was predicted to win "only" by about 15. Even more impressive considering Republicans voted for Hillary 3/1 thanks to Rush Limbaugh's trailer trash turnout.
Some noteworthy internals:
Obama won the male and female vote almost equally. 61% male, 58% female.
Hillary won self declared Republicans 3/1 in the exit poll. We know Limbaugh ordered his dittoheads to vote for her. At least 10% of her vote are self declared white Republicans. The question is: how many lied in the exit poll and claimed to be Democrats?
March 12, 2008 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
glad to see the press is finally largely ignorning obama's win from yesterday. now he can get a taste of his own medicine.
March 12, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink