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Obama To Give Major Speech On Race, Wright

Barack Obama is set to deliver a major speech tomorrow on racial issues — a sign that the campaign realizes they have to directly address the Jeremiah Wright controversy and the larger racial implications and polarization of the campaign.

"I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but the larger issue of race in this campaign," Obama told reporters about a half-hour ago, adding that part of the speech would be about how racial issues are perceived from within the black church.


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That's what we were all saying he has to do.
for it to go well

I hope he knocks this out of the park tomorrow.

And there will be a choir of media elites and pundits who will decry it as too little too late and continue to bash him into the ground.

Just a hunch.

Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Bash. Bash. Bash. Bash. Bash. Bash. Into the ground.

JOHN MCCAIN HATES CATHOLICS

Say it with me, over and over and over and over and over! From now until November!

Troll.

Schizophrenia can be treated!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not too late would have been the very day that Obama became aware of the sort of "preaching" Wright was really engaged in.

Even on the days Obama supposedly wasn't present, were his wife and/or children present at the church? Wouldn't he have heard of any of these excesses from his wife, if she were present? They don't talk?

I know that when my kids were young and part of a religious education curriculum, we felt pretty much obliged to bring them every Sunday so that they could keep up with the material. We would show up to deliver the kids -- or at minimum one of us would -- and go upstairs to listen to the sermon.

Do the Obamas fail to do that with their own children? What's the deal, Obama?

There's something about this picture that doesn't fit.

That's stupid.

Did Hillary ask Bill to resign during the Lewinsky affair so they could get Chelsea out of the environment where that happened?

See? Bringing their kids into play is a ludicrous play to emotion that has no business in our discussing politics. If you don't like Obama and support Hillary, that's fine. EITHER of them would make a better President than McSame.

But using the Obama children the way you did is a cheap gimmic.

You and I and everyone else that is discussing this HAS to know that 5 or 6 sermons that have made the air don't represent 30+ years of sermons.

It's cherry-picking.

Bravo.

Enquiring minds want to know the whereabouts of the Obamas on every Sunday since 1988! We also want pew numbers and donation numbers! And if he attended any bean suppers, he should immediately be sent to Guantanamo!

Until we have this knowledge, we will continue to hyperventilate!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think Obama should say this speech in front a HUGE crowd -- to help PROVE that his supporters still back him 100%.

The media is trying to Imply they are walking away from him -- they are not.

Yeah except this has nothing to do with his supporters, they are already in the tank. This is about all the voters out there who don't follow news 24/7 and are just waking up to November.

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Think it might help if his supporters stopped telling the polls that they were voting for Hillary or McCain?

Trucking in a bunch of gullible kids from other states isn't going to cut it any more.

More seriously, I have wanted Obama to fail because he is a demagogue and because he is not prepared to be President but not because of the alarm that black resentment of white racism causes white voters.

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What's gotta be pretty gauling, if you're a Hillary supporter, is that this Obama speech is going to get 100 times the amount of coverage that her "I can be the Commander in Chief" speech that she gave today. (Today, otherwise known as the Bear-Stearns meltdown day.)

But they'll still have to report the speech, and if it's a good one it will have its effect. (And, via viral video, long after the ADD media have moved on.)

This is awesome. The more he speaks, the better. He has nothing to hide and a lot of insight to share.

I am excited to hear what he has to say and delighted that he is using this opportunity (no matter the ugliness with which it arose...) to talk about a complex issue.

Very presidential. He reminds me of the calm, wise parent, taking bickering children by the hands without judgment and sitting them down for a teachable moment.

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Exactly.

Seriously. He is addressing these things head on and with full disclosure: Wright, religion, his tax returns, his earmarks, Rezko, etc., etc., etc. From Hillary and Bill we get nothing by way of disclosure: no tax returns, no disclosure of his library contributors, no disclosure of her (or his) white house papers, etc., etc., etc. He is showing his character. And so is she.

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What we get instead from the Hillary camp is a pre-emptive spinning invasion into the territory of common sense. The spin is that wanting her to back up her claims with records and facts, i.e., voters asking that she be vetted, is just 'negative' campaigning.

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Look, by his own testimony Obama has known about Wright's remarks at least since Obama revoked his invitation to Rev. Wright to do the invocation. Doing damage control after the media plays the clips is not the epitomy of transparency.

This time bomb has been waiting to go off for a long time. I can understand the impulse not to look under the rug but the overweening belief that the world is going to go your way and this will never surface is ridiculous. How much simpler if at some point Obama said something like "I belong to a church with a strong commitment to social justice and a fiery preacher who has gone over the top is his outrage over what has been done to American Blacks. I value his commitment to social justice and that he brought me to Christ but I recognize that on occassion his anger misleads him." The current line -- oh, don't mind him he is just my crazy uncle that I've listened to for 20 years and you can discard any impact he may have had on me because he is simply the voice of the past -- is implausible and demeaning to all involved -- Obama, Rev. Wright, the church and the voters.

As to timing, I would have been better pleased if it had occurred earlier in the primaries so that the dust would have time to settle but I am very grateful that it occurred before the GE.

If this puts an end to Obama's prospects in the GE, well this is why you have superdelegates who are elected officials for the most part whom the voters have chosen repeatedly in the past.

Lions and tigers and time bombs, oh my!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully it talks about how these types of issues are distracting folks from Iraq and the economy. You know the larger, more relevant issues. One can hope.

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You hopemongerer.


Guilty as charged.

Did you get your moral compass link? If you really want to come to the dark side, we'll have to recalibrate your moral compass.

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REZKO REZKO REZKO REZKO REZKO!!!


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I'm providing the readers here with the "moral compass" stuff that has Billy so excited.

Here is the only quote from Obama in the entire article:

Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated. "What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

The report called Wright Obama's moral compass. Obama clearly didn't.

But go ahead, Billy. Spin spin spin.

Oh please. Moral compass versus calibrate my moral compass? Big difference. I guess you don't want to come to the dark side after all.

I think s/he was merely trying to get you to look inside the quotation marks. Obviously s/he failed. It is clearly the
author
who has labeled Wright Obama's "moral compass" not Obama himself.

I think it's clear from the original Chicago Tribune article that the reporter is paraphrasing Obama and summing up more extensive notes. Maybe you have a better word for checking with someone to make sure you are being true to yourself.

The point is that the discussions and advice are not limited to spiritual matters and that Obama sought the advice.

However, rather than try to shout down the Obama echo chamber, I'm willing to wait for Obama's apologia tomorrow and the Pennsylvania verdict next month.

Thank you for taking your meds!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think it's clear from the original Chicago Tribune article that the reporter is paraphrasing Obama and summing up more extensive notes

Exactly. "Paraphrasing". And Obama never called him a moral compass, or talked about calibrating that same thing. The reporter did.

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What the hell does that even mean?

Jesus Christ. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The right has been demanding for weeks now that Obama prove he is the most amazing, intelligent, reasonable, honest, forthright, kind, principled, conciliatory, and religious politician that has ever lived. If he doesn't succeed in doing so, he will lose.

Hey, at least he's lucky to be black.

the most amazing, intelligent, reasonable, honest, forthright, kind, principled, conciliatory, and religious politician that has ever lived.

It's the Jackie Robinson test.

Robinson passed.

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Perhaps Obama should also consider referencing another important figure who, despite a reputation for pithy conciseness of speech, is considerably more wordy than Wright in expressing what cannot be anything but the same basic sentiment:

"...Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'..."

Need a clue as to the speaker? It's on the right hand wall as you enter the western-most building on the National Mall.


"He is addressing these things head on and with full disclosure: Wright, religion, his tax returns, his earmarks, Rezko, etc., etc., etc. From Hillary and Bill we get nothing by way of disclosure: no tax returns, no disclosure of his library contributors, no disclosure of her (or his) white house papers, etc., etc., etc. He is showing his character. And so is she."

Very well said. I like his "get it out in the open" strategy. HRC will never do this.

Then he can step up his criticism of her on the issue.

Good timing in the newscycle and well in advance of PA.

"And there will be a choir of media elites and pundits who will decry it as too little too late and continue to bash him into the ground."

Yes, probably. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Also expect the Klintoons to start yapping about "just a speach!" (their typical spelling added for effect)


"The right has been demanding for weeks now that Obama prove he is the most amazing, intelligent, reasonable, honest, forthright, kind, principled, conciliatory, and religious politician that has ever lived."

LOL. So true. Meanwhile John McCain calls people "g**k", cheats on both fo his wives, and hangs around with lobbyists and gets a pass.

the hysterics over Wright only make sense in the context of a absurdly sensationalist media and a desperately undereducated populace. the man said nothing reasonably controversial or even out of place.

"desperately undereducated populace"...

It's also sometimes called the american people, voters, taxpayers, etc, etc.

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McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS WILL BE EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Racists who support Hillary (her base) will be up in arms about this development. How dare he talk about race! He's playing the race card! Yada yada yada.


You're an idiot. How many racists do you really think exist in the Democratic party?

a lot. but Hillary's base isn't racists; it's low-information voters. they're not malicious, they're just not paying attention.

the problem is we're increasingly entering into a world dynamic where we MUST pay attention to survive. particularly when it comes to who we choose to represent us.

There are 17 card-carrying racists in the Democratic Party. But 15 of them are FBI agents and the other two are old grandfather and uncle types who mean no harm.

Unless they are "uncle types" like Reverend Wright! He is out to harm us all with his poisonous words! Oh, how they burn!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure there's a decent amount in both the Republican and Democratic camps. It's not like there's stringent moral requirements for joining a political party. Assuming someone isn't racist just because he belongs to a political party that also houses the bulk of many minority groups is as ignorant as any "guilt by association" rumors that have been flying around these past weeks.

There are alot of racists in the Democratic Party. You are naive if you dont know that. A family member of mine, who has been a life-long New Deal Democrat & WW II Vet, is all up in arms over what Wright said. I had to calm this older family member down when he said he wanted to use the N-word. I couldnt have a reasonable discussion with him about it because he was so emotional. Now this is a LIFE-LONG DEMOCRAT. We still have a long way to go when it comes to race. The older generation especially isnt very evolved when it comes to issues like race, gender, sexual orientation.

Whats interesting is that Clinton can't pre-buttal or otherwise stick her nose into this issue. She's gonna have to sit this one out on the sidelines and watch.

It's regrettable he has to even give this speech, but I understand that he has to. It's a delicate titerope he'll have to walk tomorrow, but if anyone can do it, it's Obama.

And to give the Clinton camp some props, I've been impressed that they've decided to stay away from this and not jump on the bandwagon. Granted with all the right press pushing it they didn't need to, but I'm still happy to see Clinton supporters not pushing it as well.

Even McCain looked like he'd rather everyone just stop talking about it as well. I don't agree with others that McCain is playing good cop/bad cop.

It is indeed a sorry state of the oldest democracy that a honorable man has to defend his faith in public along with a MSM to spin it anyway that suits them just because of his race. If BHO loses this year, it not his loss but the country's. An once-in-a-generation chance and how the people are eager to kick it in its teeth. You know what they say, "Opportunity knocks the door gently, but temptation kicks the door open".

Anybody else get the feeling that this is gonna be one of those "Where were you when you heard" moments?

Yes..and I hope and pray that is exactly the kind of moment it is. This country still has a layer of hate that needs to die off, on both sides of the color spectrum. But if this speech hits its mark, it can serve as the rallying cry of America's growing generations. All colors can look at it and settle within themselves, in their own minds, that they will rebuke the biases and stereotypes that old angry white and black men and women want to impress upon them.

Get your popcorn ready!

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Race is the boil on America's butt. I hope Obama's speech helps to lance it and get everyone talking constructively. Probably not when the media and the Republicans manage to twist it all around, but maybe he can speak to enough people to shut up the worst elements of the Clinton campaign and Faux News.

Obama: Judgment you can trust.

MoodSwingeR: Sense you are not making.

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There you have it. Straight from the horse's....mouth. One half, give or take, of the Democratic party, that is to say Hillary's base, is racist.

Obama: Judgment you can trust.

Aces again!

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/02/04/080204ta_talk_mcmanus

I dream of living in a world when a black guy starts raising his voice over something white people would NOT start freaking out.

How come people living in "the greatest country in the world in the history" so afraid of everything? - at least you're living in Billy Kristol's world, yes,you really ought to be scared of everything.
Is this country and her people are too wimp to handle the truth? one more reason to demand change. Can't wait to see what Obama has to say tomorrow.

And to give the Clinton camp some props, I've been impressed that they've decided to stay away from this and not jump on the bandwagon. Granted with all the right press pushing it they didn't need to, but I'm still happy to see Clinton supporters not pushing it as well.

Actually, she and they, if they care anything about racial justice and fairness, need to should show up at the speech and stand and cheer as well.

I wonder about this. Has anyone really traced where this Wright story surfaced from? I cant help but wonder if anyone in the Clinton campaign was behind the Wright speech getting put out there. I mean, it all happened the same week that Geraldine Ferraro made her ridiculous statements on Fox News. Hmmm...

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Anglachel's Journal has the best analysis I've seen on this point:

Who Are They Trying to Convince?

My own reaction to Rev. Wright I'm going to keep to myself for a while longer.

For a candidate who allegedly has an insurmountable lead and who is all but guaranteed the nomination, Obama's campaign is behaving like an operation in crisis. Probably because it is. The Wright revelations are actually not new, but have finally escaped the right wing email circuit and hit the mainstream. This stuff has been percolating in Greater Wingnuttia for months.

Does everyone remember the flap last year about Robert Novak saying that the Clinton campaign had some deep dreadful oppo research on Obama, and how Obama challenged them to produce it or "retract"? I suspect this is the story Novak was alluding to, and that (given its nature), he hoped he could prod the campaign to let it slip, all to Hillary's detriment. I've always been curious about Obama's belligerent, almost hysterical behavior at that time. What on earth could be so bad (aside from dead girl/live boy) that he'd behave like that? Now we know. What we also know is that everyone in the game knew about this story - all the MSM players, all the Democratic candidates, all the kids in oppo - and everyone was breathlessly waiting for someone to spill the beans.

A veritable Sword of Damocles. (Note - I suggest that y'all go read up on the Sword of Damocles so you understand the full applicability of this anecdote.)

I don't own a TV so I read up on the atrocities via the web. When reading over the accounts of the Sunday talk shows today, what struck me was the way in which the Obama side simultaneously vehemently denied that Wright was a problem and just as aggressively tried to claim that the Hillary campaign was behind it all (just like with the Somali photo) and/or build up Gerry Ferraro as some purveyor of hate crimes. This follows on Obama himself trying to wiggle his way out of acknowledging the relationship on the Friday gab-shows, and is accompanied by an announcement that they are going to attack Hillary on several fronts. Armando/BTD has a good analysis on this here at TalkLeft.

Obama's defenders (Hillary's, too, for that matter) on the shows were really not talking to people like me, people who have already formed an opinion of Wright, who have already cast a primary vote, and who are not super delegates. They aren't talking to supporters or to detractors; the only audience is those who have not yet cast a ballot:

Voters in the upcoming primaries who will choose a candidate and may change the pledged delegate allocation.
Undeclared super delegates
To the average voter, the Obama angle is to tamp out the Wright debacle ASAP as a mentionable campaign issue and make it go away, hoping non-AA voters forget about it before Pennsylvania, the Michigan and Florida revotes (yes, I think they will both happen), and Kentucky. The danger here is that the combustible nature of Wright's speeches (and, no, I don't think that they are unrepresentative of the man's thought, though they may not be representative of his average sermon.) will outrage the core Democratic voter, the Reagan Democrat blue collar, "lunch bucket" person who isn't black and who is feeling a little worried about the economy.

The real target, though, was the undeclared super delegates, and the argument there was more like a performative - look, see how we are removing this as an issue from the table? You don't have to worry that this is going to impact us in the general. It was just a dirty campaign trick by Hillary and it will not be used against us by the republicans. Oh, please, pleeease believe us!

The trouble here is that this story has been peddled by FOX News and the Republicans, though at a very low volume, since last summer. It matters that Novak was trying to make HRC be the bagholder on this one, and her campaign is (very wisely) refusing this trap, even when they could probably exploit it in the upcoming primaries.

Watch for Obama's team to try even harder to prevent Michigan and Florida from revoting because then they will be passign judgment on him in light of this news, and their voters are not likely to view it with much favor. I also suspect that the Democrat for a Day schtick is going to backfire badly in Pennsylvania because of the combination of the economy and the offensiveness of Wright. Republicans who don't really support McCain and who are infuriated by the Wright video clips may line up behind Hillary, and in this case I think you will see a new breed of cross-over voter - Hillary Republicans. Unlike Obama's cynical "Dem for a Day," these are voters who will probably stick around, especially the women voters.

This is explosive, campaign ending stuff, and Obama knows it. This is real racism, not the BS jabs at white liberal guilt they've been pushing against Hillary, and is exactly what the Republicans want for the general, something they can use to push up their own turn out and get party members unenthused about McCain all riled up, just like they used the anti-gay measures last time. It is not a mistake that the incendiary ballot issues the Republicans are pushing this year are about affirmative action. The Wright videos are what they need to make it visceral. They won't have much convincing to do.

Obama is trying to convince the super delegates that he isn't a losing proposition in the general election, and his way to do it is to trash Hillary even more.

Anglachel

Projection! A long-winded thought experiment loaded with pro-Hillary subtext! Too lengthy to be artful! Too discursive to be useful!

Come back again when you won't write so long!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

And don't forget Bill Clinton's South Carolina mea culpa tour of the morning talk shows today wherein he refers to what happened to him as a "mugging" by the Obama campaign! Guy can't help himself!

A coordinated Clinton smear! The best kind!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sen. Obama cannot be credible on this issue anymore. He waited until it caught up with him. He denied knowing anything about the speeches, yet agreed with hid pastor a year ago that he may have to distance himself.

At least Mrs. Obama heard the sermons; they are reflected in her stump speech.

As a white woman, I can totally relate to Mrs. Obama when she said that she hasn't been proud of the state of our country over the past 40 years. Neither have I, and I'd like to know exactly WHAT all these foaming-at-the-mouth nationalists who are blasting her ARE so proud of. We are a country divided not only by race, but by socioeconomics. Our society is driven largely by materialism and greed. Huge corporations destroy the environment, sell products that hurt people and don't pay their employees a fair wage - and yet our political system rewards them for it. We have proclaimed ourselves the international authority on democracy and decided we have the right to tell other countries how to run their governments. We have sacrificed more than 4,000 American lives for a war over OIL so we can keep feeding our gas-sucking SUVs. Our public school systems are in shambles. We pay professional athletes millions of dollars, but are barely willing to give our teachers a salary big enough to survive on. Yeah, it's enough to get me singing God Bless America too.

I don't hate our country, and I'm pretty sure Michelle Obama doesn't either. But I think what she's saying - and I wholeheartedly agree - that we can, and SHOULD, do much, much better.

Next speech after this: Something FDR-esque on the economy. We're watching the beginning of a surreal Wall Street meltdown with what looks like a nationalization of these imploding firms and the dollar that will be monopoly money in a few months. Kind of makes issues like the pastor seem even more trivial than they did last week. Ultimately, race and Obama's 'differentness' among the masses will be less of an issue in November when the economy is in the shitter. He needs to convince people he knows what to do, whether he does or not.

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The positive dimension of the Wright affair is that it forces the American public, at least the Dem. party to face the issue of race in this campaign. We will find out what we're made of as a country and a party. There could be no better spokesperson than than Obama with his skills and intelligence and with his history of having lived in both worlds.

Good. My likey. Given how news coverage has turned into the political version of Sportscenter, I like the fact that Obama is going over the the heads of the media to address the issue. While solid reporting is still done by many organizations (NYT, WSJ), actual coverage of relevant news items no longer takes place. Frankly, its time both are candidates stopped talking to TV media and starting talking over them.

According to the Ben White post, Obama is actually still defending Wright.

"He also briefly defended Wright from the image that has come through in a handful of repeatedly televised clips from recent Wright sermons.

"The caricature that’s being painted of him is not accurate," he said."

Should be an interesting speech. And if it doesn't fly? I guess Pennsylvania will tell the tale.

Have you actually taken the time to see all the good things this man has done? I would defend him too.

Sure I have. And I would defend Malcolm, Jesse and Obama, too. And I have. Problem is, I'm not running for President, and I only have one vote. I want the SC, end the occupation, health insurance, and someone to straighten out the complete mess Bush has made by politicizing every federal agency and staffing them with schedule C morons. I want to win this election. If I have to throw Obama and Wright under the bus, so be it.

Anti-Obama venom masquerading as pragmatism! The many masks of the duplicitous!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think BO will need to specifically mention Hagee and Pat Robertson in his speech and just be honest that, "look, just because people I know have said something, doesn't mean I believe it."

He should then reference that to McCain, and Ferraro to HRC. He can clear this entire issue for both sides by saying...."lets talk about the real issues, not he said/she said."

That's my take.

Liberal Historian,

I think it would be appropriate if he had HRC, and John McCain up there or joining him via satellite. Or...have those two ready to field post-speech thoughts that are supportive/in agreement with BO's. It could get the campaign moving in the right direction.

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I wish he could say that unless all Southern Baptists leave their church at once, they are opening themselves up to being called de facto racists.

He should mention that unless Catholics reject the Holy Roman Church this instant, we can all assume that they agree with the molestation of children by priests and nuns for the past several centuries.

He could say that Othodox Jews are required to exit temple any time the rabbi says anything since the whole Orthodox liturgy consists in thanking G-d they are not Gentile, slaves or women.

When the piggy little Kristol is forced to answer for his rabbi being "unashamedly pro-Israel" the way Obama is being questioned for a church tenet that proclaims ties to Africa, then the general public, in which this subject has turned for days, will understand how black Americans hear this criticism.

Margaret Carlson, a true fool if ever one existed, squealed that Obama should have gotten up and left his church in the face of these statements; in her conclusion, she tells me instantly that she doesn't go to any church. How dare that idiot Fred-head direct anyone in their spiritual journey!

Well, who better qualified I suppose?

It will be interesting to see how he tries to spin this.

It is really nauseating, the hypocrisy.

I wonder if Michelle is still proud of her country?

Go back to Freeperdom.

Unfortunately, we do seem to need to have this discussion. It's the big scary black man scenario that people are all worked up about. Where was the outrage over McCain getting all cuddly with Hagee? Hardly anyone batted an eyelash. Presumbably white people are allowed to say inflammatory, racist things but not black people.

No. I think what people are afraid of is the little scary empty suit man scenario. How would you compare Obama to Malcolm, for example? Or even to Wright? To Jesse Jackson? Dr. King? Maybe we'll get a fix on that tomorrow.

He has a tough job ahead of him. I'm sure this won't be appreciated, but his real problem is not that apparent. He has to convince the super delegates that McCain and the 527s can't use this to completely destroy him.

We all know that Obama holds highly moral positions on the invasion of Iraq, the occupation, and dealing with Iran. The problem is, those highly moral positions happen to coincide perfectly with the statements of the man he chose to calibrate his moral compass during his entire political career.

The invasion of Iraq is a dumb war that will make us less safe? 9/11 is our chickens coming home to roost. There is a real danger that, to the average American, all of Obama's positions on national security will become suddenly suspect.

Hard to see how he survives Pennsylvania.

527s didn't work in 2006.
Rove's "real" math didn't work in 2006.
RNC $ didn't help beat Foster in 2008.

The Republicans are down and for every Wright, Hsu or any other Dem pseudo-scandal they can bring up, a newly aggressive DNC can use 527s to point out:

Larry Craig. Hagee. Iraq. Civil Liberties. Guantanamo. Katrina. DoJ Corruption. Lobbyist scandals.

I'm not overly worried about 527s because our backyard (be it Clinton or Obama or both) is much cleaner than theirs. And neither Obama nor Clinton has any reservations whatsoever striking back against a slight, so I don't expect ANY swift-boating to work with anyone that isn't going to vote GOP anyways...

We'll see how he does in Pennsylvania.

We'll see how he does in Pennsylvania!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, aren't we all dark clouds and ominous foreboding? 527s! The dastardly McCain! Looming destruction! Run for the hills Obama! You won't survive Pennsylvania! You'll still have more pledged delegates than Hillary, but head to the hills just the same! I've decided you can't win!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like someone from the NY Sun pointed out yesterday, Obama CHOSE, this church. That says a lot.

And then, he heard this kind of krappola, and he CHOSE to stay.

And then Michelle Obama gives a speech where she makes the mistake of letting their true feelings leak out:

"For the first time in my life, I'm proud to be an American".....

Disgusting..

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You must not go to church. Nobody who's sat through any religious service awake has not disagreed with something said in the sermon/liturgy/prayers that are at the heart of religious services.

The body of the Protestant church (or any church for that matter) is larger than the person who leads it at any one time: that is the principle of faith made real in the congregant.

You don't want to know anything though: you quote the NY Sun to back your claim. Why are you here for this conversation? Not enough variety over at Red State?

The fact that you spell crappola with a "K" tells me you are some kind of red-state freeper trolling the progressive websites. You people are so obvious.

High dudgeon from Kamp Klinton! Who knew her demographic was judgmental and unyielding church ladies?!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little Black Sheep - Did you form your opinion of Michelle Obama's comment all on your own or did you just react to the media's report of this shocking utterance? They tell you to be shocked, so you are. Had you listened to the entire speech, you might have understood what she really meant. Things haven't been going that well the last 7 years you know. Git-Mo, Civil Liberties threatened, War and death, etc. She was excited to see so much excitement in the political process.

There has to be a way to say that you love your country but you are not proud of some of the things that are happening. So we can't criticize the fatherland?

Same with the Church thing. You have been told that you should be shocked. If you belong to a church, are you totally at one with it? Obama joined that church to get to know people he would be working with as a community worker. 95% of what this pastor did was great for the community. It really bothers me that people can't see the complexities of this. I am shocked at how easily people can place so much guilt by association.


Let's just say that I definitely learned one thing from this Wright controversy. When a black man is critical of America, it's unpatriotic but when a white man is critical of America, he's a hero.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html
Ah, double standards. Where would we be without them?

Yzerman:

He should then reference that to McCain, and Ferraro to HRC. He can clear this entire issue for both sides by saying...."lets talk about the real issues, not he said/she said."

It will go much deeper than that.

You are talking about a guy who has the heart of a poet and the intellect of a professor. Someone who grew up with a foot in two cultural worlds. He knows first hand white fear of the black male. He remembers how he had to drive his white grandma to work because of an episode at a bus stop with a black man that frightened her the previous day. He knows why he felt compelled to visit his father's home in Kenya. He knows about skin bleaching. He knows and he feels.

No... I expect he will go deep with this one.
Mere tit-for-tat is not to be expected.

I've got my own predictions where he will go... but, I will hold them close and let the man speak for himself.

Be sure to let us know if you were right.

And now its about time for a new alert regarding the Rezko trial....

Waiting for the other shoes to fall....

Look out! Falling shoes!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bingo, Tara. Have you seen this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

Says that very thing - that Wright's words are no different than what's been flying out of the mouths of white evangelical preachers for two decades.

Go Obama! I expected nothing less. That's why both my husband, my family, and most of my friends are voting for him. A "gasp" honest, gifted, and after 7+ years of gibberish, a man who is articulate!

By the way, we're Caucasions and my husband and I are over 70.

Sorry we can't vote for Clinton since the females in my family think it would be an improvement to see a woman in the White House, but she's proving she's no more than an 'anything goes if it gets me elected; more of the same' Washington politician.

Before Clinton began acting like a Republican slime machine, it was a tough call for us since we thought both she and Obama were top candidates. For several reasons we still gave Obama the edge, but would have been happy with either candidate.

Not anymore! Now we're Obama all the way!

This is something he needed to do and sadly something he'll need to do again and again, until it is so dead it's six feet under. What saddens me is the total disconnect from reality I see on this site. This is serious, this is a problem. Joe Voter doesn't hang out on left leaning political blogs, Joe Voter doesn't know who Hagee is or why he's comparably bad. Here's how Joe Voter's gonna find out about this. A friend will receive an email, titled, "Obama's Black Militant Church and How they hate America." In that email it will have not only the usual smear, it'll have links to videos of Wright, it will have interspersed sections of video of Obama saying, "No, I won't leave the church."

The primary argument on here has been, Oh, it's not true, it's Republican dirty tricks. SO WHAT! Joe Voter's gonna hear the run down of that email from a friend he trusts. Recall the 60 min interview with a blue collar white worker, the week before the primary, "I would like to vote for Obama, but he's a muslim." It works, this will have legs. He needs to be beating down Wright so hard, that the pundits on FNC, say, "Whoooa, take it easy on, Wright." He has to kill this thing hard and fast and now.

The last three days on this site have been silly diatribes about how Catholics haven't left their church and Hagee is just as bad. Not. Good. Enough. Those arguments don't sway Joe Voter. He's gonna say, "Why would you be the member of the church with a pastor saying this? Why would you be there 20 years?"

I know and you know that this isn't Obama, that he is most truly disgusted with the comments that have been highlighted by Wright. But we're not the ones that need convincing, not the people hanging out on pro-Obama/pro-democratic blogs, we have to convince Obamicans and Reagan Democrats. All it takes is some doubt to send some white voters scurrying over to McCain to have another 4 years of Bush.

In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the “United States of White America” and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright’s attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement.

http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html

They are standing by their story? I wonder if it will make any difference here if they get corroboration for the story. Guess not. But surely Obama would not be so stupid as to deny that he heard Wright say those things if he did.

That story was debunked. Obama wasn't even in church that day. Just by posting that story, you've made yourself look like a fool.

Well, actually they are standing by their story. They say he could have been at the service and still gone to Florida. I didn't say it was true, though. I just said they are standing by it. You should have followed the link. It was an update to the original.

Interviews with a couple of martians and Bigfoot scheduled later for further corroboration!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This has already been debunked as false. Kristol called it back and so has the Newsmax dude now. But he's now trying to say it could have been any Sunday in July. You really need to keep up with your right wing talking points, so you post them as they shift.

Go drag your knuckles back to freeperdom.

The "Red Scare" of the 21st century. And you could be dangerous for spreading it, however your post is just as ridiculous as the people who would buy in to such filth. I should just laugh at you but the sickness you have is like a plague. Instead, I will just call you out for the troll that you are! If the people you support were really doing something for you, you would be somewhere counting your money and your blessings instead of spreading viral filth!

Just keep digging...maybe you can get your new pastor to accompany you tomorrow when you give this enlightening speech on your church and race in this campaign.

Billy Glad:

Sure I have. And I would defend Malcolm, Jesse and Obama, too. And I have. Problem is, I'm not running for President, and I only have one vote. I want the SC, end the occupation, health insurance, and someone to straighten out the complete mess Bush has made by politicizing every federal agency and staffing them with schedule C morons. I want to win this election. If I have to throw Obama and Wright under the bus, so be it.
Just sad.

Makes me sad, too. But I didn't tell him what kind of movement to start. He picked the unity theme himself. It was his decision to call Clinton divisive and bring race into the campaign when he lost NH. So he ends up having to prove he's not too divisive to be elected.

Note to Obama: consult with Billy before starting any more movements, please! And try not to be too divisive!!!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself!


Billy Glum:

How would you compare Obama to Malcolm, for example? Or even to Wright? To Jesse Jackson? Dr. King? Maybe we'll get a fix on that tomorrow.

Billy Glummer:

Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Too little too late. Bash. Bash. Bash. Bash. Bash. Bash. Into the ground.

Be sure to let us know if we'll get a "fix on that tomorrow" or if it is "too little too late."

Yawn...

Better yet, go sit in the corner for 10 minutes and discuss it with your multiple febrile personalities until you reach a majority.

If that's possible of course...
In the meanwhile... okay if I call you Sybil?

I applaud your aspirations.

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I hate to sound like the pessimist, but this is not a good situation at all and I really don't know what he can do about it. The 20-30% who don't see a problem, won't see a problem. It's the other potential voters above that 30% that will be a huge problem. It doesn't look good or sound good.

I am really not looking forward to mccain as president. This totally sucks.

Don't worry. She will blow McCain away. By October, flys will be walking on the eyeballs of the McCain campaign. Petraeus is throwing McCain a lifeline, though. Setting him up with a way out of Iraq. She's already fencing him in. What a politician. I'm honored to come back through time to protect her and defend the Democratic Party.

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Billy, you are smoking something awesome. The clintons will never win a third term, not in a million years. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You have the avatar of the month.

Blow him away? She'll be running with him!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>>>And then Michelle Obama gives a speech where she makes the mistake of letting their true feelings leak out: "For the first time in my life, I'm proud to be an American".....

Could people PLEASE put that one to rest!!?? It was perfectly clear (at least to those of us who are older) what she was saying when she said it - her clarification confirmed that meaning. She was talking about the power of people, ordinary people in large numbers, mobilizing, taking an active part, and shaping the direction their country was going to go in
She was saying that she'd never seen anything like it, and she hadn't! Those of us who had seen it before knew precisely what she was talking about. ---- With the exception of small, scattered and largely ineffective mini-movements, the "citizen power" that those of us older saw as a force of its own through the war years, in re-establishing peacetime security, at the heart of the civil rights movement, women's rights, and opposition to Vietnam ... THAT has been missing (was killed off, I guess you'd say) since 1968. Michelle Obama was 4 years old at the time.

With the election of Nixon, government became paternalistic and 'the people' became largely silent and powerless. Just hoping for a good leader to come along and 'do things' that made life better. This year, for the first time since Michelle was 4 years old, ordinary people in the millions and stepping up, not just waiting around to be told who the candidates are going to be, what new direction will be followed. -- Do you think the powers-that-be wanted John McCain to get the Republican nomination? Or wanted Obama to be such a serious contender. No. In both cases, it was the people who wanted something other than what the 'bosses' wanted -- and the people have been calling the shots.

So fight all you want about Wright and race and anything else, but PLEASE stop throwing in this perfect valid and understandable comment as "proof" of something evil and dire. What we are seeing is damned impressive and it's a central and necessary part to a healthy, working democracy. The picture, to those her age, had been incomplete before now. To suddenly see democracy working -- not just a word that is tossed about? Yeah, that brings about a very new kind of pride. Those of us who saw it before are feeling that particular pride and feeling of empowerment *again* for the first time in a long, long time. Let it go.

Elizabeth, I don't think they will ever "put that 'one' to rest".

That one, will only be magnified in times to come, especially now that we know of the teachings which have gone far to explaining her statements.

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Kinda wonder if Obama's speech isn't going to be like the music of the band that played while the Titanic sunk under the sea.

Pretty, maybe, but rather short of a remedy.

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Boy, you Hillary people are a hopeful bunch despite your derision of its effects. You hope now that this crap will help her win over 65% in the remaining contests and that, pursuant to that, 60% of superdelegates who haven't backed her yet.

Hope is all you have now, and I (as opposed to HRC) would never call it false. But it certainly is improbable.

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Since everybody has been dumping on the Clinton campaign for its supposed incompetence, how about thinking about the incompetence of the Obama campaign, which has apparently known fully the nature of the problem presented by Wright since at least the day the campaign commenced, yet seems to have been caught completely unprepared for the revelations of the last week or so?

Reverend Wright rocks!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the fundamental problem we have here is the Rightwing Noise Machine gets to spin reality and the MSM seems to propagate the bs.

Until we can stop playing on their terms , we have a problem.

The "muslim" bs, this Wright smear campaign, John Kerry's swiftboating, Vince Foster being "murdered", all crazy talk from the right that has a real impact. It's neo-McCarythism.

I wish the reporters at mainstream networks and news orgs would stop playing clips from stuff just because Fox does.

Our news is broken. That is why many Americans still believe that Saddam had something to do with 911. That is why we have George Bush.

I don't think any Dem has a level playing field as long as the media is so thoroughly gutless in the face of deliberate smear and fear campaigns from the right.

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Funny, Obama wasn't willing to give this inspiring speech about race until the issue was giving him problems.

Now where did I hear predictions about what would happen when the Right Wing Noise Machine started focussing on Obama?

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"Funny, Obama wasn't willing to give this inspiring speech about race until the issue was giving him problems."

AOBTW JFK didn't give his speech about
anti-Catholic bias until that issue was giving him problems.

Why "funny" that Obama hasn't discussed this issue ?

Whites want to believe, and do,the USA is a "City on the Hill". Despite 3 centuries of slavery and another of lynchings. Unless he hyporitically skates over that past, Obama will have fewer white supporters after his speech.

Blacks want to believe , and do ,that this "great country" treated Blacks shamefully for centuries.
If they haven't experienced it themselves,they've listened to their elders talk about moving to the back of the bus, not being served at the Woolworths' lunch counter, and far worse things.
Unless Obama firmly acknowledges that past he will have fewer black supporters after his speech.

As you surely know.

So spare us these debating tricks.If you have something to say, say it. Who knows we might even agree.

"Since everybody has been dumping on the Clinton campaign for its supposed incompetence, "

Actually the MSM has been dumping on OBama for a good three weeks now.

In a time far and away...
there was a phrase
"We gotta keep on, keepin' on."
Tomorrow Obama will do what he does best.
With the eloquent passion he will address the
division in our nation. He will also set forth, as John Edwards said "We are better than this."

He will not disavow his church nor his religion,
nor should he do so. He will not disavow his white and black heritage nor should he do so.
He will give, perhaps the greatest speech of his life.
After tomorrow...we will have the opportunity to embrace what we have in common is so much greater than what divides us.

Tomorrow, we will hear the voice and see the face that will represent us as a nation.


I hope you're right. Sounds like at least one person will hear it that way, anyway.

He hopes!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah..
this week we will pass
the 5th Anniversary of an illegal
invasion of Iraq based on lies.
As our television screen was filled with "shock and awe" bombing of Iraqi civilians..
Yes I said "goddamn America"

My guess is that Obama knew this would be necessary and had such a speech sketched out long ago.

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This is exactly why our country is based on separation of church and state. Wright is less offensive than Haggee and Parsley who advocate the slaughter of other nations. Since when is a candidate responsible for the words of someone else. He didn't take his man's words and promote them, he decryed them. This is nothing but Obama's detractors looking for some way to do harm. His supporters will not flee. Unfortunately, some of the ignorant voters out there will believe the FOX b.s., if they don't already think he is a Muslim. Our media is a shameful enterprise that repeats smears, ineunndos and distortions for ratings. What next, Anna Nicole Smith was sitting in the pew next to the Obamas when this sermon was deliverd?

I'm so glad we'll hear from Obama tomorrow on this issue. As always - I'm sure he will be fair, honest, and show the judgment, elegance and class that has made a country fall in love with him - for lack of a better phrase.

I cannot wait for Obama to be my President. He easily remains the best of our choices for the nation's highest office.

Don't miss the great post over at HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-kurashige/obamas-crisis-and-mlks-_b_91807.html

This is exactly what we need! And from a leader who is unafraid to frankly discuss the really complex and scary topic of race and politics. I'm impressed with this move already and he hasn't even given the speech. This will be the speech Hillary will wish SHE gave...

"This is exactly why our country is based on separation of church and state."

I disagree. This is Obama as a private person consulting with someone for spiritual reasons. He's not inviting him into policy realm. So I dont' see any chruch-state line crossing.

Obama thinks that silver tongue of his will rescue him? I think that tongue of his has turned to scrap metal. This is only re-bamboozlization. Unfortunately, he knows there's a lot of suckers out there. It might work on them.

Millions of suckers waiting for the scrap-metal tongue!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey people, wake up, Obama has already failed the
"judgement test". He is now facing a credability
test. My bet is he will fail that one as well. That's what is known as three strikes....

Clintons are obsessed with tests!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well people,

We might as well get used to a third republican term with John McCain at the helm.

Dick Morris, Nancy Pelosie, and many other pundits, keep telling us through the news media who are happy to report it, that if the super delegates do the job they were actually put in place to do, that the black community and the young people, who love this racist believing man, we know as Obama, will hold it over the Democratic party for the next 20 years and that it will "tear the party apart."

So what I suppose this means, is the super delegates who were put in place to avoid having another losing candidate like McGovern, and those of us with the good sense to see the wisdom of giving Hillary the nomination, will just have to sacrifice the election, give the black guy - the losing guy - the nomination to save everyone's feelings and let him go ahead and lose the election to McCain. We must just shut up and sacrifice and face another 4 years of republican rule.

How much does that suck?

Oh well, I guess it could be worse. Sen. Allan, could have been the nominee if he had not gotten caught saying racists things.

Rae

Oh well. We tried. What else is there to do? Guess we should pack up and go home. If only Hillary had something to offer besides torrents of vitriol and dollops of venom....

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goodness. I just thought of something.

If Obama had gotten away with this, he would have had Wright, and Farrakhan as guests at the White House. How disgusting is that? And who knows who else??


Rae

Right! Maybe even Jay-Z and Beyonce! Can you believe it?! All those colored people in the White House? Next he'll force all the racist country clubs across America's whitest suburbs to accept colored people! Is this what we really want, people?! Will there be no more safe havens for white folks?! Think about it, please! Now that Reverend Wright has given us permission to stop pretending we're not racist, let's be honest here, people!!!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure Obama is not ready for his close-up tomorrow. He's known about the REV and his anti-white "United States of White America" language since prior to his announcement for POTUS.

From NYT April 30, 2007
Mr. Wright’s assertions of widespread white racism and his scorching remarks about American government have drawn criticism, and prompted the senator to cancel his delivery of the invocation when he formally announced his candidacy in February.

Since the press has given him a free ride (MSNBC, The Official Obama for President Cable Network continues the fee ride).
Now, since the hero, a manufactured image with no philosophy, stepped in it and it's getting all over the place.

BREAKING FROM NEWSMAX!!!!! Story will reveal that Obama was seen in the Trinity United church basement at the annual Christmas (aka Kwanzaa) Bazaar with Reverend Wright!!! Buying a papier mache Martin Luther King doll and a red (aka communist) Santa hat with white (aka oppressor) trim! Photos reveal the pair mixing among the gathering of black nationalist operatives and undercover revolutionaries - many of them ladies over 60 wearing very large and colorful hats!

PART 2!!!! Obama attends a bean supper!!!!!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Scorching?" Caliente!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

His sinister mind and master plan to fool all of us at work again! Damn him and his mad genius!

McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!

raeK --- you say "this racist believing man, we know as Obama."

Do you think that he has so completely turned his back and learned to hate his mother and his grandparents - the people who, along with an Indonesian step-father for a few years, were the only ones to raise him? In Hawaii, the most diverse place on the planet, I doubt he had any real notion that he was anthing different from his family until well after what they call the 'formative' years. Of course he learned later on, and wrestled with it and I believe figured it out for himself. You can read about that journey for yourself.

And don't you think that that background, which has given him the ability to 'cross the aisle' and work with, talk to, sometimes reach agreement with those of different views might be the SAME abilities that allow him to see past the scars and ancient angers of an old civil rights survivor and benefit from the good that Wright has to give?

There is some substance there, you know. Read the sermon that Obama did listen to, "The Audacity of Hope" - there's no hate there and and there is a good deal that will resonate with each of us.

Gloat in his defeat if you want(for this may wind up defeating him) but don't be so blind that you really believe your own hype. Obama is for real. He is not an 'angry black man' or a 'racist believing man' (and if he is, which of his two races is he supposed to be "against"?) We may not get him as president because of this, which I think will be a shame, but he is for real.

(And as to Michelle's comments -- if the Obamas do continue in this campaign, don't be so sure it won't go away. That's the whole point. The parties, the powers-that-be, and the media may want to continue making a great deal of it, but the newly-awakened people may say 'don't be ridiculous!').

Don't you think it a bit strange that since he was raised by his mother and maternal grandparents, that his first "hit" novel was all about "Dreams from my father", whom he never knew,as opposed to maybe "my mother was the greast influence on my life"

According to his half sister (one of several), he wanted to be "black" instead of bi-racial, as he actually is. good foresight.

In the beginning, he was not "black enough" for the black community, but would have gotten far less support as a bi-racial person.
Bill C. was right, "he is too green"

So now he is going to explain to us what we don't
know, and thinks we should know and totaly accept,
as to how the mind works in black church.

I don't think the mind is working in a black church, when a supposedly, highly educated pastor can get away with this kind of stuff, unless they are fooling us about how Trinty has the largest number of higher educated members of any church in the country.

In the video, the congregation appeared ready to go out and burn down the barn. Is he going to tell us that in black churchs, the main function is to rable rouse, and that we should understand.

When people criticize Obama, there is no there there. They really have to pick some pretty lame reasons to oppose him. None of which is based on merits. You think he is too good to be true? Well, every once in a great while, we get a real statesman, like Kennedy, Lincoln. They just ARE better than all the rest. Please listen to his entire speech with an open mind. He is the real thing.

No matter what you think or believe you must always be willing to call it into question. More importantly... you must be willing to accept an answer that you do not like. One that doesn't make you feel better.

It is not an easy thing to do. I am by no means good at it but I do know better and I try. Sometimes.

Narrow, hateful points of view are easy... common. All "sides" must pause, step out of their own shoes, and step into those of another.

Nepat cracks me up! I'd like to make a contribution to to McCain/Clinton '08. Can you provide the contact information for the lobbying firm I need to send it to? I'm afraid I don't have a Swiss Bank account or a presidential library, do they except offshore accounts?

All those angry looking black people is what finally put me over the top. SCARY! At first I thought Obama was all, you know, Tiger Woods-like. Quiet, inoffensive, dresses well, well spoken, clean. Now I find out he hangs out with no good rabble rousers and expects me to understand. He's got some splainin' to do. Highly edumacated, my ass.

Seriously, Obama is going to need a good speech, given the level fear and ignorance that pervades the electorate. He'll need to assuage the irrational fear and somehow overcome the guilt by association that the MSM and Repubs have been whipping up. It's gonna be tough, but I think he's got it in him.

I know with absolute certainty that there would not be a double standard for black preachers versus white preachers.

Until relatively recently, my church was plain vanilla. However, it has in the last couple of years become a participant in social activism. I hereby reject and denounce the Methodist Church. As I may want to run for political office in the future, I now formally pronounce my departure from that Church.

Of course, I also expect that all Baptists must reject and leave their church affiliation. I also expect that any Catholic who has supported the Iraq war to reject and denounce the Pope, who has declared the Iraq war to be immoral.

If I were an aethist, I would be ecstatic that all aspirants for public office must reject, denounce, and leave their churches for any intemporant or politically incorrect statements made by their ministers, rabbis, or other church leaders.

Nah nah nah nah
Barack Obama
Hey hey hey
GOODBYE!

The hate on this board makes me sad to be a democrat.

Thankfully, most of the trolls here are racist republicans.

>>>>Don't you think it a bit strange that since he was raised by his mother and maternal grandparents, that his first "hit" novel was all about "Dreams from my father", whom he never knew,as opposed to maybe "my mother was the greast influence on my life"

No I don't think it's strange at all, nor do you if you think about it. When you are secure in a relationship, know that you love and are loved, where is the struggle? where is the book? Actually, he said in the forward to the reissue that if he had had any idea that his mother (who died at 53) would not be in his life for decades yet, he would have focused on the parent who was there for him and, in the long run, was far more important in his life. But living with his mother and grandparents wasn't his challenge: being a fatherless black boy in a white family was.

Obama's challenge was learning how to be black, so of course that was the focus of his 'coming of age' account. Children don't grow up thinking they are different, especially different from their own families. It's how OTHER people treat you that tells you you are something different and that the difference matters. In fact, his grandfather encouraged a friendship between a young Barack and a black man the grandfather's age so that there would be someone who could tell him something about that part 'from the inside.' But beyond things like that, his family couldn't prepare him for what it was like to be black, because they weren't.

And - of course - our society doesn't allow anyong to be bi-racial. It isn't a separate designation where you can find peers: if you have dark skin you are black - period. You know that. So if you are going to be perceived as black all the rest of your life, you might as well learn what that means. -- It's a fascinating challenge and seen through his mind, aided by his eloquence, it's a fascinating story. I suggest you read the books; I gave the first one to my son simply as a story of growing up that I wanted him to see and think about.

So, to all of you who are exulting in this potentially-fatal roadblock, that's fine and enjoy the fact that 'your side' (whatever that may be) may win, but there's no need or purpose to 'demonize' Obama or blind yourself to the real value that is there. I strongly, strongly oppose Hillary Clinton's candidacy; I don't want her to win because I don't respect or trust her ethics and honesty. But does that mean I have to blind myself to her very real strength, tenacity, intelligence and commitment? Of course not, and I do respect those qualities.

So, just because the challenge Obama faced is something most of us would never face and can't truly imagine doesn't mean he doesn't deserve credit for facing it. Somehow he dealt with it, explored all parts of being black (which includes understanding the anger many blacks, especially older ones legitimately feel) and coming out the person he is today: the NON-angry person that he is. I wonder how any of us would have dealt with a similar challenge? And it's how you play the cards you were dealt that matters, not whether it was a good hand or poor one or you wind up 'the winner.'

It sounds like a bad pun in the context but things are rarely 'black and white'. Wright's statements are horrific and I couldn't defend or respect that kind of hateful anger, in a Wright or a Limbaugh, even when I can somewhat understand it (which I can with Wright but not with Limbaugh). However, that isn't all there is to Wright -- read the sermon that we know Obama listened to and heeded:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/for-the-record.html#more
(If Limbaugh has produced anything as substantive and NON-angry, someone will have to point me to it because I've never heard of anything.)

Personally, I like the idea of a leader who has had to learn and fashion who he is, because there was no pattern or model to follow. I think it results in a strong, clear-thinking individual. But whether you support him or not, it's okay to give Obama respect for taking the good parts that are there in someone like Wright, but rejecting the anger, and also for not totally turning his back on someone who has been important in his life. It's too easy to build up straw people and knock them down ("Obama hates us whites because he wrote about his black father and not his white mother.") If you are going to oppose someone, at least if you are goign to successfully or persuasively oppose them, you should be willing to look at the real person, not some easily-dismissed inhuman thing of your imagination's creation.

Obama will probably announce he is leaving his racist church, it will be to little to late.

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