Source: Obama Tells Donors That Losing Pennsylvania By Less Than 10 Points Will Be "Victory"
On a call with some of his major California donors yesterday, Barack Obama acknowledged that Pennsylvania will be a steep uphill battle, and said that his aim is to get within 10 points of Hillary there, something that he said would be a "victory" for him, according to a donor on the call.
"He said that Pennsylvania is tough for them and that the demographics really are not the best for them," the donor tells me, adding that Obama was speaking to the group of 40-odd contributors via conference call.
"He said his goal is to finish within 10 points, and that that would be a victory for them. He said he'll be making a big effort there, but that she should win it and that the goal is to finish within 10."
Asked for comment on the conversation, Obama spokesperson Bill Burton didn't deny that it had taken place, saying: "She has a big lead, she won Ohio by 10 points and she is the favorite -- but we will fight as hard as we can for votes and delegates."
Obama's remarks are significant, because defining a Pennsylvania victory (and defeat) in such specific terms could make it tougher for the campaign to frame the actual results when they happen should he lose by more than 10 points. If he comes in under 10, however, setting expectations in advance this way could help.
Did Obama hire Penn to write his spin?
What an effin fraud Obama proves to be.
March 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you hate blacks so much, JTHB?
March 14, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes, any criticism of Obama means I hate blacks.
Accusations of racism are the last resort of the feeble minded.
March 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would agree with you, except that I'm read some of your previous comments posted here.
I think it's a fair question at this point.
March 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also want to say that this is a funny exchange because it looks like Hoost's avatar is yelling at you.
March 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you so keen to call someone a racist? That seems to be a disturbing habit of Obama's campaign, so I guess it's just natural to expect his zombie followers to crow about the same thing. After all, who would expect any of you to exhibit what the rest of us like to call a 'free will'.
March 17, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you so blind that you would believe the sky was green if Obama told you it was? Pull your head out of the sand and open your eyes. You'll find it's amazing what a little objectivity will do for your ability to reason correctly.
March 17, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Advance spin, sure. But fraud?
March 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say Obama is a fraud for many reasons but here because, after his long standing accusations and mocking that HRC et Co. are spinning their losses as winning, we have Hussein himself spinning his ten point loss as a brilliant victory.
Obama is a fraud.
March 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that you refer to Senator Obama by only his middle name means that you are either a racist, as others have noted, or a GOP troll, or both.
Because he is working to manage expectations, which is common to any politician worth his salt does not in any way make him a fraud.
It makes him a good politician who knows how the game is played.
You might want to try posting with facts and pertinent information, rather than patently false generalizations, which only serve to expose your prejudices.
March 14, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I reject and deonounce your comments, sir.
Now to everyone else: Can we just ignore these hateful and childish remarks, and go ahead and discuss the story like adults?
JTHB needs a time out, i.e., no response is the best response!
My sense is that Obama is playing the expectations game here because he knows Hillary's whole game plan is now to make him appear unelectable. And the Clintons hope to use a win in Pennsylvania to prove it. HRC and co have been spinning the Keystone state as the key to the White House, which of course, is complete and utter nonsense. The low-balling of expectations as we head into a long news cycle is good politics and media relations from the Obama team.
March 14, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB's unraveling= EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Best yet, Idiotic!!!
March 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you yelling at me?
You need to always keep this avatar. Best one yet.
March 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
But not nearly as good as mine.
March 17, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unraveling? That implies its in progress. It was complete long ago.
March 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLOL! You get me every time, idiotic!
March 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary needs Obama to validate Pennsylvania as a huge "Key Battleground" in order for her to play Comeback Kid Part IV to the press. It's a state with interests closely aligned to her own home state of NY, where she's locked up all the key support that's available.
Obama's smart not to take the bait. He'll compete, and then move onto Indiana and North Carolina (which, in my opinion are both at least as important as Pennsylvania if not more so, at this point in the nomination process).
March 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It isn't fraud, and it isn't disingenuous, he is right, it is a hard state, and no one expects him to win it. In all honesty, anything less than a 50% loss is probably a win for him, because that is about what Hillary needs to pull off to even have a slight chance at catching up to his delegate count.
If Penn had wrote it it would have said something like, "Pennsylvania doesn't matter, because they drink lattes there and we don't need them anyway, but if we can come within 10 points that proves Hillary can't win the general election, and that the voters hate her, and that the media is sexist, and by the way, Illinois is the only swing state"
That would have been Penn's argument. See the difference?
March 14, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you never asked for points on a football or basketball game bet....
Oddsmakers give points all the time. Hedging is perfectly acceptable, especially in politics.
March 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW! What an admission by someone who considers himself a front runner. Is he kidding?? Losing an important swing state by 10 points is a win?? Losing Ohio, another important swing state, by 10 points was a win? Losing Florida, another important swing state, by 17 points was a win? Are you seeing a pattern here? He can't win any of the big, important swing states. Apparently the DEMOGRAPHICS aren't favorable to him. Someone needs to inform him that there's an entire country out there whose DEMOGRAPHICS aren't favorable to him either.
At the rate he's going, he'll consider himself POTUS if he loses the GE by less than 20 points.
March 15, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! The nerve of this guy! Calling losing winning. He should take a lesson from Clinton's campaign. They would never spin losing like this:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/this-horribly-painful-slide-al.php
March 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having a REALISTIC GOAL is much better than denying any problems what so ever --- Doing that would be SO Bush like.
If you know Obama as you claim -- You know he will fight for EVERY vote he can get and more if possible -- but when reality (from polls taken) shows he only has a small chance --- at least he faces it up front and doesn't try to SPIN it.
March 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's about time the Obama camp controls expectations. Clinton has created a world where only the states that fit her ideal demographics matter.
March 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have only a 49 state strategy now?
March 14, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, shove it. I'm sorry Hillary is essentially mathematically eliminated from the process, TonyC, but that sort of smug non sequitur doesn't add anything to the discussion. If you can't grasp the difference between "abandoning PA" and managing realistic expectations (esp. in light of the fact that your opponent has maliciously done so since "Day One") w/r/t media treatment of the PA primary, then I'm wasting my time talking to you.
Paging Dr. Occam: the simplest explanation for your apparently willful ignorance may be that your bristling at the suggestion O can pull within 10 of HRC in PA, and, what's more, you're insidiously spreading the meme that O has abandoned PA, which couldn't be further from the truth. But, with repect to that category, HRC's camp has proven content to remain as far from the truth as possible.
Keep digging, son.
March 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
What part of "we will compete there" do you not understand!
March 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is smart.
Personally, I'm tired of Clinton being given "come-backs" in states she always led in!
So, yes, if Obama can shave 10 - 20% off of Clinton's numbers in PA - that's a victory.
March 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
How exactly is keeping realistic expectations in a state that every key metric shows you losing fraudulent?
March 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand why he's saying this. Hillary has entrenched herself in Pennsylvania, and has locked up 95% of the party infrastructure there. I have no doubt that he's planning on contesting Clinton for the state strongly, but it's not in his best interests to turn Pennsylvania into the type of event that Clinton desperately needs it to be. She's the frontrunner there, so let her continue to run with that narrative. He's in Indiana and is working North Carolina as we speak.
I'm sure he'll be more than happy with something inside of 10 (which would mean he cuts her lead almost in half in yet another must-win Clinton state). That'll limit both the delegates and the vote totals that she can pull there, and again make her path to the nomination even less possible afterwards.
March 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah this is smart since it gives him 10 percent more lean way, he needs to get it under that 10 percent though.
March 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he should have set the bar at 15 points. He's getting schooled there. 10 points might be wishful thinking.
March 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, 10 is a very realistic estimate. He'll probably finish inside of 10, but it's a solid bar considering the terrain.
March 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, good call for the Penn camp! This is pathetic, really pathetic.. Obama loses and Obama loses... If you want to have the appearance of some kind of credibility or neutrality, you need to be a tad more subtle than this. Next you will be saying that any victory in the big states for Penn, I mean Clinton, will be a landslide. And all other slightly smaller states, or caucuses don't matter.
March 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally, with 10 states to go, the Obama campaign learns how to properly lower expectations! If they'd have been able to do this before Ohio, it would have helped a great deal.
March 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, I see this as a smart move. Plant this seed under your own terms. If you outperform those expectations it'll be even more over. If not, not a big deal.
March 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
But what happened after Ohio? He won 2 by landslides. Let the others wast their time and energy on the expectations game. Hell, they need something to do.
March 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno. Seems like a fair assessment.
March 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
*Looks over at polls at the top right*
in CA
Obama (D) 53%, McCain (R) 38%
Clinton (D) 46%, McCain (R) 39%
Uh oh looks like Obama wont win CA... o wait.
March 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. And even more interesting is that McCain wins OH! What happens to the road to the White House runs through OH? Oh wait, she changed that to PA now, didn't she?
The other interesting polls out are the national ones. I know they are very hard to draw any real meaningful conclusions from but Obama is really starting to move up. What I want it to mean is that Hillary's negative campaigning is reaping rewards for Obama.
March 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Hillary was down by 20% in a state she basically didn't campaign there at all.
Obama's just going on the record to remind the media so that five weeks from now when Clinton wins PA by, say, 54%-44%, they don't rush out and spin it as Hillary's "big comeback" and talk about her new momentum.
March 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rasmussen has Obama up 50-42 nationally, but down 51-38 in PA.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
As much as the Hillary camp would like to make everyone think it is, PA is simply not representative of democratic primary voters nationally. Given the above poll numbers, I'd agree that less than 10 points would have to be considered a victory for Obama. He'd have done better than current polls show (despite a significant national lead), and he'll have done far better than he needs to do to maintain his lead in pledged delegates (Clinton would need to average wins of over 25% in the remaining contests to pull even).
March 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, I understand that you are saying that being this explicit gives him no wiggle room if he is not within 10 points. That is true, but so what? 15-4 is still pretty impressive in contests won since Super Tuesday. I don't think they are looking for wiggle room. If it turns out that he looses by 15%, he won't have met his expectations. Oh well. They still have the reality that they are ahead in delagates, states, and popular vote (by alot) to fall back on.
At some point mabye the media will cover Hillary leaning states like, Hillary leaning states, and toss up states like battle grounds. Thus far any Hillary leaning state has been deemed a battle ground, and Obama leaning states have been deemed not as important. The assumption that Obama will win every state, and if he doesn't there is a problem is pretty crazy.
March 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, I understand that you are saying that being this explicit gives him no wiggle room if he is not within 10 points. That is true, but so what? 15-4 is still pretty impressive in contests won since Super Tuesday. I don't think they are looking for wiggle room. If it turns out that he looses by 15%, he won't have met his expectations. Oh well. They still have the reality that they are ahead in delagates, states, and popular vote (by alot) to fall back on.
At some point mabye the media will cover Hillary leaning states like, Hillary leaning states, and toss up states like battle grounds. Thus far any Hillary leaning state has been deemed a battle ground, and Obama leaning states have been deemed not as important. The assumption that Obama will win every state, and if he doesn't there is a problem is pretty crazy.
March 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, I understand that you are saying that being this explicit gives him no wiggle room if he is not within 10 points. That is true, but so what? 15-4 is still pretty impressive in contests won since Super Tuesday. I don't think they are looking for wiggle room. If it turns out that he looses by 15%, he won't have met his expectations. Oh well. They still have the reality that they are ahead in delagates, states, and popular vote (by alot) to fall back on.
At some point mabye the media will cover Hillary leaning states like, Hillary leaning states, and toss up states like battle grounds. Thus far any Hillary leaning state has been deemed a battle ground, and Obama leaning states have been deemed not as important. The assumption that Obama will win every state, and if he doesn't there is a problem is pretty crazy.
March 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I swear I only pressed send once
March 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe you. I keep having to log in just to post. And it always fails the first time.
March 14, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same here
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March 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons are betting everything on PA. Obama is in effect telling us that other states matter. That's why he suggested a NC debate. He's not putting all his eggs in one basket. Smart.
March 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama's remarks are significant, because defining a Pennsylvania victory (and defeat) in such specific terms could make it tougher for the campaign to frame the actual results when they happen."
You mean like Clinton needing to get big wins in TX and OH?
Double standard indeed.
March 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know the polls say the opposite but I've got a gut feeling that Hillary's going to LOSE in Pennsylvania.
Every State tha Obama travels to he picks up 10-20 pts. Hillary's got some HONESTY issues showing up now about her RECORD and the Dems (most of them) worry about her splitting the PARTY into.
These voters just might decide to FINISH this thing on April 22nd and tell Hillary it's time to HEAL US by you stepping away.
March 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your gut feeling is a racist and hates America. Has Obama distanced himself from it yet?
: )
March 14, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah. Obama does better than the polls when the demographics favor him more than the polls account for. That is not the case in Pennsylvania, unless the accounting of Pennsylvania's demographics is really off.
I'd love to be optimistic and say Obama will eek out a win in PA, but I don't expect it to happen. This is why even taking a nice bite out of Hillary's win there is a strategic win for him, even though he loses the battle - it keeps him positioned as the stronger candidate. She needs a blowout there to even consider catching up in either the pledged delegates or the popular vote.
See, this is the thing about Obama's campaign though - it demonstrates many concepts long understood be military generals. You maximize the battles you can win, and minimize damage in battles you can't, but you use battles you can't win to force your opponent to expend more resources than they might have otherwise (this is, incidentally, the great strength of the 50-state strategy, especially in the GE: It forces the GOP to spend money in states they haven't spent money in YEARS).
It's a war of attrition. Obama is running a campaign predicated on the essential tenets of asymmetric warfare: You make every victory of your opponent's cost them so much that you can eventually beat them. The 50-state strategy is designed to do exactly this.
March 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
There has been very good in depth analysis of PA over on The Field and Open Left. Both authors are Obama supporters and say in no uncertain terms that Obama will lose PA...no ifs, ands or buts about it. The Field is predicting as many as -26 delegates. Chris at Open Left is from PA and says not that many - maybe more like -15. Interestingly, the Obama spreadsheet (generally viewed as conservative) has him at a 5% loss with -8 delegates.
BTW, I like the military analogy...it's helpful.
March 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
PA is a closed primary - that is, only registered Democrats can vote. I've read that the Obama campaign is actively encouraging Independents and Republicans to register as Democrats before the March 24 deadline. Given the "Rush" effect, registering Republicans as Democrats might not be such a good idea, but Independents could make a difference. Do the current poll numbers reflect only registered Democrats?
March 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pollster link for PA Dem Primary: http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
Clinton has consistently led Obama by 15-20% or so (currently at 12.6%).
Given the resources that Clinton's campaign is pouring into the state, I think that it's going to be difficult for Obama to cut that lead significantly, so managing the expectations is actually a pretty smart move.
Notice that he defined what he would consider a "victory" to be - that doesn't necessarily define anything less as a "loss". I suspect any margin between 10% and 15% or so will be considered a "virtual tie" and be contrasted with the minimal delegate gain for Clinton (minimal when considered against her current delegate deficit). A loss of more than 15% is significantly tougher to spin, but I suspect it will be closer than that anyway.
Contrast this set of expectations against Clinton's campaign, which has already declared her as "unbeatable" in PA. If, against all expectations, Obama ekes out a win in PA, I doubt even Penn could spin fast enough to make it palatable.
March 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
50 State Strategy v. 4 State Strategy.
March 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do recall being enthusiastic about the prospect of Hillary as president. It was 2005, 2006, and my god weren't we all tired of this presidency by 2003? I thought she could use that Clinton name to rise above it all with a mix of message and professionalism.
How sorely disappointing it is to watch her crash and burn. Bill now joins her with net negatives, something unthinkable just a few short months ago.
This obsession with PA is sick. She cannot win. Will no one explain this to her? 37 superdelagates could end this today in open support of Obama.
The outrage of Ferraro is not so much her comments, which seem circa 1984, but the claim of entitlement to outrage, the threats to Obama that he dare not tick her off because he wasn't going anywhere without her.
The comments of Jeremiah Wright do nothing to dispell the sheer arrogance and corruption of the Clintons. They create reality when the reality they have doen't work for them.
Which is how we got W.
No more Bush/Clinton Barony, thanks.
Pax,
M.
March 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cripes. You post that for my liddle joke?
Come back in 10 years when your skin is more than 1 nanometre thick.
March 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know this is off topic, but Obama just posted a blog on Huffington Post regarding Jeremiah Wright.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html
March 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good response. Now he needs to say it in front of a camera.
March 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check this out.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=893
Al's take on this is that at least it gets rid of the Obama is muslim notion...
March 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an Obama supporter, I fully expect Hillary to win there by a margin of 150% to minus 50% for Senator Obama.
That state is so crazy about Hillary that it is even named for her. How can she not win every vote, and more besides, in The State of Pantsuitmania!
March 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it IS named for her chief strategist.
March 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB, I'm pretty sure Hoost was speaking tongue-in-cheek and making fun of the way Obama supporters are frequently labeled misogynists for criticizing Hillary.
March 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton is not "mathematically eliminated" as JoeLisboa claimed in an earlier post.
She is definitely behind with a long row to hoe, but here's the scenario I mentioned a few days ago - and Ed Rendell hinted at yesterday.
Clinton wins Pennsylvania by 15%. That could translate into a pickup of 300,000 popular votes on Obama's lead (based on 2 million Dems voting in primary - 3 million voted for Kerry in 2004 GE).
Florida revotes and she wins by 15%. Based on 2.5 million Democrats voting (3.5 million voted for Kerry in 2004), that's another 375,000 gain on Obama in popular vote. Now it's close. If she can win Michigan's revote by enough to squeak out a lead in the popular vote, she can argue to the superdelegates (who are not bound by anything but their preference under "the rules") - that she is, indeed, the "people's candidate." If she can woo the superdelegates to vote for her based on this, she can win - and the couple dozen ABHers on TPM boards can stamp their little feet and vote for Nader or something. Of course, THEY would never do anything to destroy the Democratic Party - that's Hillary's purview, right?
Anyhow, a longshot scenario for sure. But definitely not inconceivable in what is still a very close election with Obama in the lead right now. It's also certainly the reason for the Obama camps' hedging on Florida and Michigan re-votes.
March 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
But there are more than 3 states left. You're ignoring likely popular vote gains by Obama in states like Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, etc..
March 14, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
lots of if's in there and your also leaveing out all the other states like NC which will add to Obama's popular and delegate lead.
March 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you are technically correct. Aside from the fact that the popular vote is not how we elect presidents in this country so why is that how we should nominate candidates? Hillary could win all of CA (except that, oops, Rasmussmen has her not clearing 50% there) and she still can't win the GE with all those people. Why should caucus states be penalized? I mean, realistically, not for the sake of your argument. The popular vote argement gives disproportionate weight to primaries - which is why we have DELEGATES. They level the playing field.
But you are technically correct and I am happy (well not really) to let this play out. I do not advocate Hillary dropping out. People have to see this one all the way through. My only hope is that we can do it without tearing eachother apart and handing the election to McBush.
March 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
tossing definitions of "victory" into the memory hole is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/texas_state_dem_chair_hillary.php
March 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Management of expectations. So why is it that Obama refuses to pay his share of the Florida recount bill. And why is he against Mail In primary recounts in both states- why it couldn't be POLITICAL MACHINATIONS? could it? Just another politician like clinton(and I support clinton)
Squeaky clean is getting some smudges on his lapels.
March 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
He does not have a share of the recount bill, any more than he had a share of the counting bill in any of the 50 states. Take your strawman and use it to sop up all the Clinton Camp bullshit.
March 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seem to be under the impression that Obama shouldn't play politics at all. Nice double standard.
Mail-in votes are one of the easiest to rig, particularly in a state with a) no experience with mail-in voting and b) a long history of voter disenfranchisement.
You REALLY trust Florida to put together a trustworthy mail-in primary in 3 months? If so, I have a bridge you might be interested in....
March 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Florida election Officials have already ruled out participating in Signature validations of Mail In votes, because they are not allowed by Law to do so. That kills the entire idea of a Mail In rerun. The Democratic Party are not allowed access to Florida's voter registration signatures, and therefore there is no way for them to validate that the mail in votes are legitimate.
March 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, it sure makes Hillerat supporters angry to point out that without a Hillerat blowout, Pennsylvania won't mean anything.
The fact that Monsters Inc has been hooting and hollering about this stuff all day indicates that they are terrified of Obama framing 10-points as the threshhold.
Well played, Obamapeeps.
March 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
THe point in to highlight how far ahead Hillary is so that a win by her there is not seen as a comeback. Remember Hillary was ahead in both Texas and Ohio and when she won it was spun as some kind of comeback, but in reality she was projected to win anyway.
March 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is he a fraud?
If their numbers actually having him not winning, isn't it surprisingly candid to say so? It seems the electoral equivalent of hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
March 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last week, one poll had The Monster ahead in PA by 19 points.
Now she's afraid she might not clear ten?
March 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Rev. Wright business was brutal. It is difficult to defend what he said in any context - in my opinion.
However, as he has done before, Obama has an ability to get to the heart of an issue and address it effectively like no one I have ever heard or read.
We all know that he can speak, but his written word is much more powerful. He continues to impress me.
He is an advertisement for Columbia, in my opinion. "Go to Columbia, learn to communicate effectively," or something like that.
March 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
LeroyS:
I'm a Hillary supporter and this spin doesn't make me angry. In fact, per the scenario I outlined that she would need to pull off, she DOES need a landslide in Pennsylvania (and Florida revote) to have a chance anymore.
However, could you explain why you think calling the Senator from "Hillarat" improves the dialog here - not to mention any chance of you being taken seriously?
March 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the expectations game is bullshit because all it does is feed into horse race coverage that doesn't do anything to help voters make an informed decision. Nevertheless, I can understand why the Obama campaign would feel compelled to play it.
The fact is that he doesn't need to win Pennsylvania to emerge from the primaries with the most delegates and the most votes. She needs to win Pennsylvania just to keep her campaign going.
March 14, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can a Hillary supporter please break down the totals of delages, states won, and popular vote assuming the best case scenario for her campaign?
I've asked this a few times....still have yet to get a response. Me thinks the numbers are too scary to think about.
March 14, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
to clarify, I mean the best case scenario going forward, assuming the does as well as she could possibly hope to do in the remaining contests.
March 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
far from being mathematically eliminated, as one person wrote, heh, i continue to smell primal fear...desperation within the obama camp.
i predicted they'd say a 10%pt loss would be a win, and a compliant media will spin it that way in PA.
heres my next prediction...obamaniacs will assert that hillary reaching 2025 delegates is insufficient for a win.
pstt...they say its impossible for her now...but they KNOW it isnt. you can look forward to having a compliant press on your team though, if you can stand the whores as teammates.
March 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
max w.
See my earlier post at 4:44.
I think Obama is leading by about 800,000 in the popular vote total right now.
March 14, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good tactic.
April 22 is a looooong way from now. I'll be heading up to Pennsylvania on weekends in April to see if I can help shave some of those points. :)
As for Florida, why shouldn't the State that screwed the pooch (or is it "putsch" since they're good at having elections stolen down there), pay for it's won mistake? I'm all for responsibility. As for mail-in ballots, it was rejected by Florida Dems as unverifiable.
March 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Hillary manages expectations its fine, when BO does it he is a fraud? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. You Hillary supporters attitude is "do as Hillary says, not as she do"
March 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The exact opposite is also true, though, franklyn. Here Obama is managing expectations and the tone of the thread is, hey, fine. But whenever Clinton did it, it was evidence of malice, contempt, and probably racism too.
March 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
With regard to this topic, has anyone noticed Obama has taken a solid lead in both Rasmussen and Gallup today?
I wonder what Hillerat's internal numbers are telling them. I wonder if there are numbers showing something in PA that is making this 10-point framing especially terrifying to Monsters Inc.
March 14, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
LeroyS wrote: With regard to this topic, has anyone noticed Obama has taken a solid lead in both Rasmussen and Gallup today?
HA! a "solid" lead in a poll that changes week to week like a see saw?
March 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember how when the Clinton campaign pointed out that Obama would have an easier time winning in states with large African America populations, it was a horrible racist thing to do? Remember? That was great.
And how when the Clinton campaign managed expectations about the outcomes of different primary contests, it showed that they had contempt for the states they didn't expect to be competitive in? Remember that?
Campaigns talk openly about demographics, all the time. Campaigns try to manage expectations, all the time. This is the same. Damn. Thing. Note the banality. Note the normality. And compare it to the way you felt when the Clinton campaign said something similar.
March 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the Obama camp is playing coy...In 6 weeks, no one on this post expects Hillary to be up by double digits. Remember he ran her down in Texas and he had less time...
If Hillary's lead hits single digits with two weeks left before the PA vote, the Obama camp will use that to their advantage and say that she is losing support in a state that she is expected to win handily. Then i look for BO to campaign like mad from there on out.
March 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
And remember the Obama campaign's own internal projection for PA:
Clinton: 52%
Obama: 47%
If he pushes a 20-point victory scenario, that's going to look damn good.
March 14, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean "10-point," of course.
March 14, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hellow Donors, Yes, We Can. Yes, We will. We will loose an important Big Blue State by 10 points. Don’t worry. Keep giving your money. We will also loose the General Election by ten points against McCain. Keep giving your money. Hey Donors, Did you look at the video of my pastor yesterday on ABC in GMA program. Don’t worry. Keep giving your money. Don’t you think me and my wife has been brain washed by all these years by my pastor? Don’t worry. Keep giving your money. I am going to run against a POW who fought for the US Flag ha…ha…ha.. God damn America!! ..
You know the reason why I am not wearing the US Flag Lapel pin http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3690000 ha …ha…ha God damn America!! ..
You know the reason why my wife is not proud of America until now http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-02-19-michelle-obama_N.htm .. God damn America!! ..
March 14, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except he wins CA, NY, etc. and wins in states like VA against McCain, and in blue states by wider margins than Clinton would. Witness the 50 state SurveyUSA polling from earlier this week.
You got nothing but stale nonsensical chicken little arm flapping.
March 14, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Robots predict:
OBAMA LOSES within 7% of HILLARY in PA
OBAMA WINS PA in GENERAL ELECTION
The Robots' special comment:
"VICTORY" has already been achieved for OBAMA.
"COMEBACK" implies gaining a LEAD in something, which HILLARY has not yet done.
Yet these two points matter VERY LITTLE when the MEDIA needs something to cover until August and HILLARY is acting like APOLLO CREED in ROCKY IV.
March 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
And when he loses the general election by 10 points he will be history.
March 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, that is why most head-to-head poll shows him winning, and by more than Clinton would (even though she would win against McCain).
Your powers of prognostication are impressive.... how many fingers am I holding up?
March 14, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama gets ahead of the story and frames it in realistic terms.
Obama wins another round!
March 14, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed! And meanwhile Hilary is down -7 net delegates from March 4th, per MSNBC. She's down in delegates, down in the popular vote and down in state's won. She can not win the nomination, plain and simple. Clinton apologists are just whistling past the graveyard.
March 14, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny from Fox:
"Ironically, he noted that Clinton strategist Mark Penn said Thursday that Obama can’t win a general election without winning big states like Pennsylvania.
Bositis added: “But a Democrat can’t win in those states (in November) without a big black vote.”"
March 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
10 points, 25 points...At this point, it's over.
Speaker Pelosi just reaffirmed that the party will back the pledged delegate leader, irrespective of the popular vote margin. Game, set, and match.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/pelosis-delegat.html
March 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's try and hold the sarcasm down. The Obama team is just spinning to try and lower expectations for PA. They're working to lower the bar that they can use to claim a victory for the continuing campaign. What else should they do, nothing? That's how to lose.
March 14, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
A very persuasive case that the only thing keeping the MSM perception of viability alive for Hillary right now is not time, but uncertainty:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=03&year=2008&base_name=why_clinton_doesnt_want_a_revo
March 15, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM know perfectly well what the score is and how much time is left on the clock. This is irrelevant to them, as their primary goal is not to inform the public in any useful way, but rather to provoke and sustain confrontation and controversy. If not for that, who would bother to watch or listen to them?
And despite what one might hear from the right wing bloviators and their allies in the MSM, Hillary has been their favorite for the Democratic nomination practically from the day that John Kerry conceded the election in 2004. True, they were caught off guard by the Obama phenomenon, but now they seem to be regaining their bearings. Here is how the process works: report on what are obvious smears about Obama as though they are legitimate stories, drop them when they are exposed as fraudulent, and then go on to new smears. We have seen it all before.
March 15, 2008 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Re Florida.Polls show neither Clinton nor Obama will take Florida in November,so just obey the rules and leave them out the nomination process,if they want to sulk and sirt out the General, the democrats won't miss them.
March 15, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
And regarding Ohio, looks like Clinton looses there in the general too, so much for Her as goes ohio statement.More Clinton BS.
March 15, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know how/if you can quote on TPM, but this quote from JTHB is racially inciteful, though I am not saying that he is racist or that he "hates" any particular type of people. Yet this quote certainly helps frame this little exchange of between two people who are both drawing unfair generalizations.
JTHB:
"BRILLIANT!
What a great parody of those ObaLoons who will twist their bitty brains into a pretzel defending Obama no matter how outrageous his words and actions.
Oh wait, you are serious!
Yes you are correct. Looking high and low could we possibly find a person who has been more held down and discriminated against than Barak Hussein Obama?
He is living proof of what a racist society we really are! Why I bet they only let him in Harvard to prepare him for a career as a crack dealer right?
And that Michele! Well she had it right. Yale may have given here one of the best possible chances for education and advancement but we all know that they thought she would never be more than a pole dancing Chicago ho.
Poor poor Barak and Michele! We are so racist that we might not let them be President despite the contempt they have demonstrated for the country.
Shame on us!"
March 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Now comes news out of Iowa that after the county conventions that met today Barack Obama appears to be on track to net seven additional delegates out of the state."
Obama wins another round!
March 15, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHO ARE YA KIDDIN’ OBAMA!!!? Trustworthy, Naïve, Poor Instincts – All the qualities of a good Chief Executive?!
All of these are quotes from the Chicago Tribune Story:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story
His first big contributor
Asked if he ever thought Rezko would expect something from their relationship, Obama was emphatic: "No.
Obama said voters should view his Rezko dealings as "a mistake in not seeing the potential conflicts of interest." But he added that voters should also "see somebody who is not engaged in any wrongdoing . . . and who they can trust."
Obama said he asked his friend about them. Rezko assured him there was nothing wrong. "My instinct was to believe him," he said.
My Comments:
Either he is sincerely naïve and inexperienced and therefore not qualified to be a good chief executive OR he is just another politician caught trying to triangulate his way out of a mess. Get real. All those years and all that money and he never wanted any thing from you? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase!
March 16, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
(my wife's story)
Went to one church during college once... this is so funny. My
girlfriend and I went in and we started looking for a place to sit.
When we entere the pew area... the right side was full, there was no
place to sit and on the left there were only about 15 people. We
asked a lady standing there if there was something special going on
that we should know about since we were trying to find a church.
Do you know what she said? lol
She said, oh you probably don't want to sit on the left, that side is
only for sinners!
AND WHAT SHOULD THE MORAL BE: HUMMM
WELL, OF COURSE, SINCE WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH THIS, AFTER THE
SERMON...WE JUST HAD TO STAY AND SEE WHAT THEY DID NEXT! Come on we
were college girls... Almost the entire sermon when talking about
sinning and this and that the preacher directed to the left side...
(we stood in the back...lol)
Okay, so if I was Obama... I would have just stayed.. But I wasn't
and I knew this was wrong and we never went back. And we told as
many people as we could!
---------------------------------------
OBAMA STAYED FOR 20 YEARS AND GAVE A DECLARED $25,000 LAST YEAR
ALONE!
March 16, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here are two things for you to go and work on then come back here and
write another article telling us how you think that someone with these
connections and his lying background... should be America's President:
++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in
Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going
to come out of the closet...you don't take these classes unless
you're muslim...this is what obamas friend in high school has told on
him..why did obama go to school in jakarta under the name of BARRY
SOETORO
2. C'mon people - Obama Baracks cousin, Raila Odinga, is running for
a political spot in Kenya. There is much mass murder related to this
election - please check out the facts - google raila odinga. Is this
the person that we want to be the next US President????
Intellectually, I know that BO will not be president, but it scares
me as to how close he came. America - what are you thinking????
_____________________________-
They're trying to delete the Reverend Wright's "Riding Dirty Attack
Upon the Clintons" that was on YouTube, but it's still on this
link...
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=40295
or Google... "Jeremiah Wright, Obama's Former Pastor, Calls Out
Clinton"
Look carefully at the man that comes into view as Wright talks about
"riding dirty"...isn't that Obama's new spiritual advisor, Reverend
Otis Moss III.
BTW...If it's Moss, he's trying to "high five" Wright after his
"riding dirty remark." Oh...I forgot to tell you that this was the
December 25, 2007 "Christmas Sermon" at Trinity United Church of
Christ.
_____________
March 16, 2008 3:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Listen to these two videos... Rev. Manning of Harlem.. is absolutely
right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU and what about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWExq7g2F0&NR=1
_____________
AMERICA WAKE UP. . .
MUSLIMS ARE A SERIOUS THREAT. . .
WWW.USAWAKEUP.ORG
WWW.NUMBERSUSA.COM
OBAMA IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. . .
WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE
March 16, 2008 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention all the facts, but how in the world could you allow
this person to even run ... did you not know as well because he lied
so well?
Can't you find a candidate that would bring some REAL INTEGRITY back
into our country and move us forwards not in reverse?
Or is this part of a secret plan... or have you guys had your pockets
lined... by all the groups the Rev. Manning speaks of.
Becareful, because those investigation are going on right now,
because for an individual as deceptive as this Obama, he had to have
help and it would make you look bad to not have done a thorough
investigation on him.
I have personally experienced prejudice from black while living in
Stroudsburg, PA. I know what it is like to have a cart ripped out of
your hands because a black woman said she saw it first, when she
walked in a store then went to the customer service counter to be
waited on... and on the bus commute to NY. I know what it feels
like. And someone needs to bring our country together and stop
tearing it apart.
If at all possible, please address the media shows that breed
anomosity and false integrity...so called Reality..shows... they
encourage and reward it.
Have you ever read Steven Covey's 7 Habits of Hightly Effective
People? Please read at least the first 25% of the book.
March 16, 2008 3:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing either Democratic candidate says will prevent me from taking my own hard look at results once the Pennsylvania primary is over.
As for current national polls, they are not that pertinent. We are in the throes of a huge economic crisis, a growing ecological crisis, rising racial polarization, looming Chinese hegemony. Unless you have a crystal ball, you can't know what events are going to take place.
One major bomb attack like September 11th will completely redo the figures we see today. If that attack is of an identifiable Islamic source, that will also influence ratings. If a
high-profile black Clinton supporter has an "accident", that will also shift those numbers around. The current scandal concerning the NY governor may right now be influencing voter opinion. In the end, the name of the game is to inform yourself with as much info as possible to make as intelligent a vote as possible and then wait and see.
March 16, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Obama.... I agree... I am sick of people aren't able to talk anymore. You can't even say the word "black" any more. Like when go to coffee shop, you have to say "Can I have a cup of coffee without milk and without sugar." Otherwise, you might be labelled as a racist.
March 16, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out this prejudice military man's comments.
Please everyone go to this site and email your congressmen to ask them that this member be investigated. I personally know what goes on, and a staff sargant the makes comments like these, abuses the whites the worst and if he is making comments like this publically, then just imagine his actions against our young men that leave their homes to defend our country... they don't deserve to be abused by prejudice people like this!
Please, follow this link and email as many of your congressmen as you can and ask that investigations be brought against this individual immediately!
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
HERE ARE HIS COMMENTS!
ssbilko3:39PMMar 14th 2008
Yo foo's we gettin' Rice ! WE gonna win. WE gonna kick yo honky asses back to da souff !
The only, one that can run RICE ! (can caught to)
Ahhh HUH n' you THOUGHT what ?
90% of the blacks gonna vote, that 25% of you gerrymandered mugarutzes areas not yet figured , but it be 53% of da peoples, an datz mozt have the vote !
ADD em up n' divide by brothers and sistas keepers !
And please remember that the view comments and expressions here do not reflect anyone here but Staff Sergeant H.I. Bilko IV Esquire here on AOL not its advertisers or its sponsors, donors, givers, or takers.
You heard the TRUTH from the GRAPE VINE ! ! !
hE POSTED THIS ON AOL!
March 17, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
ALSO, PLEASE EMAIL AND REQUEST AN INVESTIGATION OF THIS OFFICER AT
The United States Marine Corp. INSPECTOR GENERAL!
Try the hotline link or just call... send a copy of the comments if you can!
http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/ig/Miscellaneous%20Pages/IGMC%20Contact%20Page.htmIL
My husband just returned from Iraq... he told me ridiculous stories... but there was no proof!... Until .... lol
March 17, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Need more?
ed2:10AMMar 17th 2008
Google either quote....
“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievanc and animosity against my mother's race.”
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
__________
Peter2:09AMMar 17th 2008
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama
March 17, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Google either quote....
“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievanc and animosity against my mother's race.”
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack Obama’s claim that he never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed the “white arrogance†of America’s Caucasian majority for the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his pastor’s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement Friday rejecting them as “inflammatory and appalling†but failing to renounce Wright himself for his venomous and paranoid denunciations of America.
March 17, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you seen this video...
watch the entire thing... you'll see during God Bless America...
Obama refuses to put his hand on his chest....
hummmmmmmmmmmm WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS AMERICA...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5N-1-g90bW0
March 17, 2008 4:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Kind of begs the question of what kind of demographics Barck Obama thinks are best for him.
March 17, 2008 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the sermon that he said he didn't attend... we see you nodding your head... in agreement... I guess this is just a ghost, not you/??
_________________________________________________"
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack ObamaÃ?â??â??s claim that he
never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of
America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed
the Ã?â??Å"white arroganceÃ?â??Â" of
AmericaÃ?â??â??s Caucasian majority for the
worldÃ?â??â??s suffering, especially the oppression of
blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his
pastorÃ?â??â??s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement
Friday rejecting them as Ã?â??Å"inflammatory and
appallingÃ?â??Â" but failing to renounce Wright hims
March 19, 2008 3:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
AWESOME EVERYONE! GO TO EVERY SITE AND POST THIS AND REQUEST THAT EVERYONE GO AND TRY TO POST THIS DATE AND THE LINK TO THE VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE LIAR.... NODDING HIS HEAD TO THE HATE SERMON...THAT HE DIDN'T ATTEND....
OH , THE HUFFINGTON POST...HAS NOW DISABLED ALL THE COMMENTS.... THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO GET OUT... POST IT EVERYWHERE....EVERYWHERE...!!! LOL
_________________
GUESS WHAT EVERYONE!
I TRIED TO POST THE DATE AND PUT THE LINK TO THE HATE SERMON THAT OBAMA SAID HE WASN'T AT...AND GUESS WHAT...THEY KEEP DELETING IT!
WOW... THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE HUFFINGTON POST... IS FOR OBAMA AND CENSORING THE MEDIA !!!!
___________
PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK AND KEEP ENTERING IT...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html#postComment
Here is the sermon that he said he didn't attend... we see you nodding your head... in agreement... I guess this is just a ghost, not you/??
_________________________________________________"
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack ObamaÃ?â??â??s claim that he
never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of
America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed
the Ã?â??Å"white arroganceÃ?â??Â" of
AmericaÃ?â??â??s Caucasian majority for the
worldÃ?â??â??s suffering, especially the oppression of
blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his
pastorÃ?â??â??s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement
Friday rejecting them as Ã?â??Å"inflammatory and
appallingÃ?â??Â" but failing to renounce Wright hims
March 19, 2008 4:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
AWESOME EVERYONE! GO TO EVERY SITE AND POST THIS AND REQUEST THAT EVERYONE GO AND TRY TO POST THIS DATE AND THE LINK TO THE VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE LIAR.... NODDING HIS HEAD TO THE HATE SERMON...THAT HE DIDN'T ATTEND....
OH , THE HUFFINGTON POST...HAS NOW DISABLED ALL THE COMMENTS.... THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO GET OUT... POST IT EVERYWHERE....EVERYWHERE...!!! LOL
_________________
GUESS WHAT EVERYONE!
I TRIED TO POST THE DATE AND PUT THE LINK TO THE HATE SERMON THAT OBAMA SAID HE WASN'T AT...AND GUESS WHAT...THEY KEEP DELETING IT!
WOW... THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE HUFFINGTON POST... IS FOR OBAMA AND CENSORING THE MEDIA !!!!
___________
PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK AND KEEP ENTERING IT...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html#postComment
Here is the sermon that he said he didn't attend... we see you nodding your head... in agreement... I guess this is just a ghost, not you/??
_________________________________________________"
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack ObamaÃ?â??â??s claim that he
never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of
America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed
the Ã?â??Å"white arroganceÃ?â??Â" of
AmericaÃ?â??â??s Caucasian majority for the
worldÃ?â??â??s suffering, especially the oppression of
blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his
pastorÃ?â??â??s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement
Friday rejecting them as Ã?â??Å"inflammatory and
appallingÃ?â??Â" but failing to renounce Wright hims
March 19, 2008 4:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
AWESOME EVERYONE! GO TO EVERY SITE AND POST THIS AND REQUEST THAT
EVERYONE GO AND TRY TO POST THIS DATE AND THE LINK TO THE VIDEO THAT
SHOWS THE LIAR.... NODDING HIS HEAD TO THE HATE SERMON...THAT HE
DIDN'T ATTEND....
OH , THE HUFFINGTON POST...HAS NOW DISABLED ALL THE COMMENTS.... THEY
DON'T WANT THIS TO GET OUT... POST IT EVERYWHERE....EVERYWHERE...!!!
LOL
_________________
GUESS WHAT EVERYONE!
I TRIED TO POST THE DATE AND PUT THE LINK TO THE HATE SERMON THAT
OBAMA SAID HE WASN'T AT...AND GUESS WHAT...THEY KEEP DELETING IT!
WOW... THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE HUFFINGTON POST... IS FOR OBAMA AND
CENSORING THE MEDIA !!!!
___________
PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK AND KEEP ENTERING IT...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html#postComment
Here is the sermon that he said he didn't attend... we see you
nodding your head... in agreement... I guess this is just a ghost,
not you/??
_________________________________________________"
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack ObamaÃ?â??â??s claim that he
never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of
America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed
the Ã?â??Å"white arroganceÃ?â??Â" of
AmericaÃ?â??â??s Caucasian majority for the
worldÃ?â??â??s suffering, especially the oppression of
blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his
pastorÃ?â??â??s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement
Friday rejecting them as Ã?â??Å"inflammatory and
appallingÃ?â??Â" but failing to renounce Wright hims
----------------------------------------------
March 19, 2008 5:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
AWESOME EVERYONE! GO TO EVERY SITE AND POST THIS AND REQUEST THAT
EVERYONE GO AND TRY TO POST THIS DATE AND THE LINK TO THE VIDEO THAT
SHOWS THE LIAR.... NODDING HIS HEAD TO THE HATE SERMON...THAT HE
DIDN'T ATTEND....
OH , THE HUFFINGTON POST...HAS NOW DISABLED ALL THE COMMENTS.... THEY
DON'T WANT THIS TO GET OUT... POST IT EVERYWHERE....EVERYWHERE...!!!
LOL
_________________
GUESS WHAT EVERYONE!
I TRIED TO POST THE DATE AND PUT THE LINK TO THE HATE SERMON THAT
OBAMA SAID HE WASN'T AT...AND GUESS WHAT...THEY KEEP DELETING IT!
WOW... THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE HUFFINGTON POST... IS FOR OBAMA AND
CENSORING THE MEDIA !!!!
___________
PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK AND KEEP ENTERING IT...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html#postComment
Here is the sermon that he said he didn't attend... we see you
nodding your head... in agreement... I guess this is just a ghost,
not you/??
_________________________________________________"
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack ObamaÃ?â??â??s claim that he
never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of
America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed
the Ã?â??Å"white arroganceÃ?â??Â" of
AmericaÃ?â??â??s Caucasian majority for the
worldÃ?â??â??s suffering, especially the oppression of
blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his
pastorÃ?â??â??s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement
Friday rejecting them as Ã?â??Å"inflammatory and
appallingÃ?â??Â" but failing to renounce Wright hims
----------------------------------------------
March 19, 2008 5:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
AWESOME EVERYONE! GO TO EVERY SITE AND POST THIS AND REQUEST THAT
EVERYONE GO AND TRY TO POST THIS DATE AND THE LINK TO THE VIDEO THAT
SHOWS THE LIAR.... NODDING HIS HEAD TO THE HATE SERMON...THAT HE
DIDN'T ATTEND....
OH , THE HUFFINGTON POST...HAS NOW DISABLED ALL THE COMMENTS.... THEY
DON'T WANT THIS TO GET OUT... POST IT EVERYWHERE....EVERYWHERE...!!!
LOL
_________________
GUESS WHAT EVERYONE!
I TRIED TO POST THE DATE AND PUT THE LINK TO THE HATE SERMON THAT
OBAMA SAID HE WASN'T AT...AND GUESS WHAT...THEY KEEP DELETING IT!
WOW... THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE HUFFINGTON POST... IS FOR OBAMA AND
CENSORING THE MEDIA !!!!
___________
PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK AND KEEP ENTERING IT...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html#postComment
Here is the sermon that he said he didn't attend... we see you
nodding your head... in agreement... I guess this is just a ghost,
not you/??
_________________________________________________"
BREAKING NEWS: Obama LIED, Obama did Attended Hate America Sermon
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html
Contrary to Senator Barack ObamaÃ?â??â??s claim that he
never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of
America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed
the Ã?â??Å"white arroganceÃ?â??Â" of
AmericaÃ?â??â??s Caucasian majority for the
worldÃ?â??â??s suffering, especially the oppression of
blacks.
Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his
pastorÃ?â??â??s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement
Friday rejecting them as Ã?â??Å"inflammatory and
appallingÃ?â??Â" but failing to renounce Wright hims
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March 19, 2008 5:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't really "buy" Obama's version of victory. If he loses by even a 1-point margin after all the cash he dropped on advertising, the Democrats should start seriously doubting his electability.
April 22, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink