Obama On Veep Talk: Clintons Are Trying To "Hoodwink" You
Obama responded at length at an event today to the possibility -- being floated by Bill and Hillary -- of a Hillary-Obama ticket.
Key line from Obama: "If I’m not ready, how is it that you think I should be such a great vice president?"
His quote is worth running at length -- here's a transcript:
With all due respect, I’ve won twice as many states as Sen. Clinton. I’ve won more of the popular vote than Sen. Clinton. I have more delegates than Sen. Clinton. So, I don’t know how somebody who’s in second place is offering the vice presidency to the person who’s in first place. [Long applause.]...But there’s a second point. This is an interesting point -- I want you guys to follow me on this. You know Pres. Bill Clinton, back in 1992, when he was being asked about his selection for vice president, he said, “The only criteria, the most important criteria for vice president, is that that person is ready, if I fell out in the first week, that he or she would be ready to be the commander-in-chief.” That was his criteria.
Now, they have been spending the last two, three weeks -- you remember that advertisement with the phone call, telling everybody, getting all the generals to say well we’re not sure he’s ready, “I’m ready on day one, he may not be ready yet.”
But I don’t understand. If I’m not ready, how is it that you think I should be such a great vice president? Do you understand that?
See, I was trying to explain to someone the “okey-doke.” Y’all know the okey-doke? It’s when someone’s trying to bamboozle you, when they’re trying to hoodwink you. They are trying to hoodwink you. You can’t say that he’s not ready on day one, unless he’s willing to be your vice president and then he’s ready on day one.
I want everybody to be absolutely clear — I’m not running for vice president, I’m running for president of the United States of America.
I’m running for president of the United States of America. I’m running to be commander-in-chief. And the reason I’m running to be commander-in-chief is because I believe that the most important thing when you answer that phone call at 3 in the morning is: What kind of judgment you have?
And in a key line, Obama directly took on the notion that voters should want both of them on the ticket...
So I don’t want anybody here thinking that somehow, “Maybe I can get both.” Don’t think that way. You have to make a choice in this election. Are you gonna go along with the past, or are you gonna go towards the future? Are you gonna do the same old thing, or are you gonna try something new?
This will dominate the news cycle, and if Obama's supporters were worried that he hasn't hit back forcefully enough in recent days, this might go a long way towards allaying their concerns.
Video soon.
Late Update: Here's the video:
Unfortunately for Obama, the Eliot Spitzer story is probably going to overshadow this in tonight's news.

This makes my day.
No, my week.
March 10, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hooray!!! Finally!!
Now, let's just hope that your prediction that this will dominate the news cycle holds up. So far, they have been ignoring positive Obama news in order to remain "unbiased".
March 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well he tied them up into a nice little bow. If the media doesn't beat the Clintons' over the head with their schizophrenic comments from the last two weeks, can we agree that this notion of media bias AGAINST the Clintons is overblown?
March 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I already agree. It was overblown and it is overblown. How far into the election are we? And it wasn't until this last week that the MSM started actually looking at Clinton bona fides? That says all you need to know.
March 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet. It's been a long time coming. I think we can look forward to a retooled, more aggressive campaign from Obama. He tried playing nice...
Go big dog! WOOF!
March 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. That is the sort of forceful argument that he should make, not going negative, just pointing out the hypocrisy of their logic. I'm not sure "okey-doke" "bamboozle" and "hoodwink" are the hippest terms to use, but I suppose he is speaking to a diverse audience, and Clinton has been claiming the senior vote, so, sure why not. I'm just glad that he didn't get into name calling and negativity. Obama has the strongest hand, keep playing the end-game.
March 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hoodwink" and "bamboozle" are terms that channel, in a way, Malcolm X.
And that's a good thing, in my book. I'm sure this stuff will resonate, if not in the MSM, in his desired audience in Mississippi.
And again, that's a good thing for Obama.
March 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was a very astute observation. It is very subtle.
March 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I was picking up shades of Denzel actually.
March 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those words as code for Malcolm X rang through my head like lightening when I saw them. I grew up in Memphis, ten miles north of the Mississippi line.
I am sure that if that line is broadcast in Jackson it will stoke some excitement in some of the Democratic base.
March 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Obama would do very well saying Hillary was trying to fuck people over, so I'll take bamboozle and hoodwink.
March 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those who like to note (and especially for those who distrust) his different tone of voice and usage when he speaks down South: I'm from the South, and live in NYC. We all grow up down there (at least if we're "educated") with at least two voices: the public one that we use with outsiders, and the more down-home one we use informally with other Southerners.
I'm white. But educated blacks have this even more, including many non-Southern blacks. Don't think that Obama, with his black college buds, or in his community-organizing gigs, hasn't been using this voice for years. It's not an affectation; it's part of his social equipment.
Frankly, I find it both amusing and thrilling to hear him talk this way in Mississippi, and they understand that he's doing just what I've described. It shows he has communicative empathy to go along with all that legal scholarship and political wiles.
March 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You nailed that exactly. I'd add, it's not just a Southern thing.
Most Americans have a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experience. For that matter, most of the developed world is now multi-cultural and has language and cultural influences of global origins.
Even people from the most white-bread rural areas, that some mistakenly imagine to be culturally one dimensional. They tend to speak more proper British English in the workplace, and folksy American with friends and family. They also have cable of course, and use a wide range of popular slang from surfer talk, to hip-hip, even to appropriated Japanese words like the "WASABI!!" that popped several years ago. Not just young people either, but people into their 50s and 60s, and some hipsters even older.
March 10, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dirk, that's a brilliant summation of this phenomenon. I grew up in TX but now live in the northeast. When I visit old friends, my old accent starts coming back. Too bad Senator Obama's retort is playing second fiddle to Eliot Spitzer's vices. Perhaps Senator Obama can use tommorrow night's victory to address the issue more forcefully???
March 10, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This language is actually nothing new from Obama and as you said it seems to be part of his inherent style. He used the exact same riff responding to some other attack at a rally in Boston with Ted and Caroline Kennedy before the MA primary. It's a good folksy way of brushing off unfounded criticism in a positive tone and it works with the "folks" from Martha's Vineyard as well as those from Tupelo, MS. Folksy, down-home talk has served some presidents well in the past. Lincoln and Truman come to mind. The important thing is that it rings genuine. And I think it does from Obama.
March 10, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Finally. Obama has really got to get new media advisers and spinmeisters. Way, way too long in pushing back at this nonsense. They allowed the clintons to dominate the narrative yet again. PLEASE hire some new people, PLEASE!!!!!!!!
March 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, it was brilliant. Gotta wait a few days after stuff like this. Have you ever heard the term "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves"?
It is getting tighter and tighter by the Clinton's own doing.
Obama doesnt need to hit back negatively. All he has to do is point out the hypocracy.
Again, it is BRILLIANT.
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno. There are clearly two schools of thought on that one. The clintons "offer" has been all over the news repeatedly. By allowing it to dominate, people will hear it and might not hear his smack down. I personally think on something as big as this, it needs to be smacked down right away so that it doesn't give the impression that he's ok with it and less people hear about the clintons' "offer."
March 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you're wrong. You must always respond as quickly as possible, in the same news cycle if possible, and you must be more forceful, more funny, more direct, and more factual (not hard with the Clintons!) than they are.
And he must also start throwing HER off balance. The only time Obama has failed to exceed pre-voting expectations (NH and OH) is when he gets sandbagged right before the vote. He did well today, but he has to start developing ways to keep her off balance. The girl from the 3 am add growing up to be an Obama precinct captain is just too good to be true! Obama should make HER his running mate, at least for the next few weeks!
March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that waiting was good in something like this. It's agony for those of us who follow this thing so closely. But, for most of the population, it was good to make sure that they had heard the Clintons say this stuff once or twice before he hits them with the putdown reply.
I also appreciate that he followed it with some courtly references to her persistence and industry in all this. He didn't say that she's the x7ççççç""ææ∞ we all know her to be. I wouldn't have been so kind.
March 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was raised by his grandparents who are the same generation which raised the women who brought about the feminist revolution.
One of the major turn offs about him is the way he drips condscension.
Also, his retort is illogical: there is a big difference between having the first shot at that phone and the remote chance that something might happen to Clinton and he would have to answer it.
March 11, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
At some point it has to become about the reality, not the media narrative. If our society can not get to that point, we as a country deserve what we get. Having the best spin team on the right side only works while the best spin team is on the right side. That is the argument with getting rid of this spin war crap.
March 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, but you have to play by the rules of the game, which are spin, spin, spin. You can't let the opposition play the media like a fiddle. Whether its smacking them down by repeating the truth or whatever. You have to be quick, clear and decisive.
March 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but keep in mind very little of what is said now will still be relevant in 6 weeks. Bizarrely we are closer to Iowa than we are to PA in terms of time.
He needs to make sure it doesn't mess up MS which he is doing but not much is likely to change the outcome there. He will get 1 maybe 2 delegates lead out of there (think Alabama in terms of how delegates are allocated) and some momentum from a double digit win.
My take on what he is doing is letting the Clintons fire most of their ammunition so by the time it gets close to PA they will have used a lot of their best stuff and he can hit back with blows that really count. Not that I think the Clintons won't have a bunch more but...
March 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such a precise and powerful rebuke to the Clinton spin of late just makes me more confident in Senator Obama.
March 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
yep. Absolutely.
March 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect. Love his use of "the Clintons" especially. The "hoodwink" language makes a clear inference that they are dispespectful of the electorate (which is clearly true). People tend not to like that.
March 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm breathing a little sigh of relief reading that. I was a little afraid that this was going to be a month of "nuh-uhs" by the Obama campaign, but this is exactly the kind of talk they should've been using for a couple of weeks now. It doesn't have the acidic tone of Clinton's current rhetoric, but it does have strength, assuredness, and intelligene underlying it. Phew...
March 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's about time...
March 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I try hard to keep a cool head about this stuff, and I try to exercise as much control as I can...
But I just have to say that THIS POST HAS MADE MY #$*@ING DAY!
Sorry for losing it.
March 10, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya damn right!
March 10, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I knew there was a reason I voted for Obama. The man is superior to Hillary Clinton and John McCain. He can not only get his message across he can say it in a manner unlike the old ways of attacking your opponent -- he does it with class.
March 10, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter Obama to Clinton:
I. Drink. Your. MILKSHAKE!
March 10, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha!
March 10, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally
March 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, I wanted to stand up and salute. G'OBAMA!
March 10, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rhetoric doesn't matter.
March 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the words of Albert Einstein:
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thought in clear form."
President Obama...yeah...has a great ring to it.
March 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
YES!!! HE'S BACK!! Knock it out of the park, Obama!
March 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why did the Clintons start talking about Obama as a VP candidate? That completely opened the door to this kind of argument. More importantly, it let Obama off the hook in regards to the C-I-C threshold question. If they had kept him on the defensive on that one, I could have angled my way in for a possible VP spot. Ah well, I'm not giving up yet.
Clinton/Sinbad '08 - An unstoppable ticket of C-I-C threshold-crossing unstoppability!
March 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Sinbad,
A person with your kind of clout could probably pull some strings in the Obama campaign and get some cushy ambassadorship for your cooperation and support.
U.S. Ambassador to Kosovo. How's that Sound?
Obama/Webb/Sinbad '08
March 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're slipping a little bit, Sinbad. You didn't refer to yourself in the third-person as 'Sinbad' enough.
You know, if Sinbad gets on a ticket with Sen. Clinton and plays his cards right, Sinbad could wind up pulling an Al Gore and snagging a Nobel Peace Prize someday for his contributions to Humanitarian Stand-up (and you won't have to have all those solemn Scandanavians trooping down to Joey's House of Ha-Ha in Passaic to catch your act, either).
March 11, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Those are just the points that a lot of us have been saying that he should be making. Not trying to respond by saying nasty things about her, but simply pointing out the absurdity and illogic of what she's been saying.
March 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zang!
Taking the high-road indeed.
The Clinton campaign is full of enough contradictions and faulty logic that Obama doesn't need to resort to mudslinging--he just needs to call bullshit, thereby tossing the single, solitary stone that strikes the argument in the head and sends it crashing to the ground.
March 10, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly how he should respond to ALL her crap - and McCain's. Address it directly. Repeat the comment or criticism himself and tear it to ribbons without being nasty in return. Be smart, unflappable and, when appropriate, funny. He can go a lot further using humor than she can using her fake outrage or shrill anger.
March 10, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truth
March 10, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
good to hear but way too late for my taste. gotta be quicker to be forceful.
March 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Respectfully,
I hope you are wrong. I feel that there was SO MUCH pile-on on Friday that this response would have been lost. In fact, Senator Obama gave a great speech on Friday, with many responses to the "kitchen sink," but the chatter overwhelmed it.
The signal-to-noise ratio is much more favorable for Senator Obama today. This is getting play right out of the gate (here at least) and it dovetails handily with the atrocious response on the conference call, doubling the impact.
If they can stay on message and ahead of the cycles, they have a chance to get ahold of the reins for a while.
March 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
respectfully i disagree. the networks were running with clinton's "offer" and it would be obvious for them to provide air time to obama to address the offer. it fits the he-said she-said mentallity of the media.
not responding quickly makes me think of dukakis or kerry. people respect a fighter and while it might be difficult for obama to walk the line i think he needs to be stronger in this respect.
March 10, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry. I don't respect a fighter. Fighting never resolves anything.
Truth needs clear logic and good oratory to sway the mob, sadly. Fortunately for Mr. Obama he's got the mob to sway and has the brains for the logic and is a helluva speaker to boot.
The Clinton campaign has been twisting itself into little knots trying to get a rise out of him for a week now. People have been watching their antics and waiting for the response.
Now they've got it. And they got it where Republicans are powerful, where black people have been historically most vengefully oppressed, where Katrina restoration is far behind and where hope is really needed.
He still looks like something worth hoping for, and worth working for too.
March 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You "don't respect a fighter?"
Do you respect a milquetoast who allows an opponent to walk all over him, degrading his abilities, background, and supporters?
If you only support people who don't fight, you only back losers. Obama's "new politics has nothing to do with not fighting, it has to do with not being in the pocket of corporate interests. He has not taken any lobbyist money. That's "new" enough.
It's ridiculous to allow an opponent to slander you without responding, and it's ridiculous to allow an opponent to mislead the public on her "experience" and record. That's not new politics, it's a disservice to the public and especially to his supporters.
March 11, 2008 6:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only if reporters can get out of those conference calls from the Clinton campaign. How many a day are we up to, at this point?
March 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last week I wanted to hurl the kitchen sink (and the refrigerator and the stove) at the Clintons.
Wiser heads prevailed. It is so simple. The truth will set you free....
Keep up the sharp elbows big guy!
March 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man alive do I agree with this!!
Now if this doesn't dominate we'll know for sure.
March 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. That is the sort of forceful argument that he should make, not going negative, just pointing out the hypocrisy of their logic. I'm not sure "okey-doke" "bamboozle" and "hoodwink" are the hippest terms to use, but I suppose he is speaking to a diverse audience, and Clinton has been claiming the senior vote, so, sure why not. I'm just glad that he didn't get into name calling and negativity. Obama has the strongest hand, keep playing the end-game.
March 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Very forceful. Couple news cycles late, but still, a reminder that no one can hit back hard and still manage to look thoughtful and agreeable like Obama can.
March 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as i was wondering why his campaign had been quiet as of late he comes back with a 1-2 punch.
I am ready, she is not. No Veep because i am in first place base don all meaningful metrics.
Si Se Puede!
God i love this guy....
March 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's camp wanted to give the PERCEPTION to voters that it was SHE in fact that was AHEAD, not Obama. Most voters don't pay attention to the DETAILS, they just read Headlines.
Giving them the PERCEPTION that's she was AHEAD all along -- it will be less painfull to those voters supporting Obama when the Supers override their votes.
March 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect. I am so excited about this response!
I even think the quirky language is right on. It's too quaint to be seen as overly nasty - the Clintons are trying to "bamboozle" you, not you're being lied to. The end result is the same, but the tone is oh, so different.
Brilliant. GObama!
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
anyone here know why nobody from the obama camp is using "bush-clinton-bush-clinton" as a talking point? seems odd to me that they haven't really ever suggested that there's something unseemly about the world's greatest democracy being run by 2 families for decades...
seems to me that if a relative-outsider candidate like barrack gets pushed out by the clinton dynasty via a confusing, brokered convention, nobody's going to have much faith in democracy working. already, the process seems sloppy and baffling. seems like it would be worse if it was sloppy, baffling, and gave the appearance of being rigged toward the benefit of a few powerful families.
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two reason's. They don't want to go there as it's not an argument based on policy or judgement, which is were they want to stick during the primaries. Besides, there's enough of us out there doing that for him, so why get stuck in an argument that's implicitly implied by the huge CHANGE sign behind him at every stop.
Besides, later you'll hear McCain-Bush-McCain-Bush more than enough to make up for it.
March 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
For all of the people who were worried about Hillary "bitch-slapping" Obama last week, I can't help but think it hurt her more than it did him. I mean, Ghandi and MLK were continually "bitch-slapped" and they were rather successful in achieving their aims. Obama seems to be employing a similar strategy.
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I find many parallels between Senator Obama's campaign strategy and the ethic of non-violence.
March 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The tactics may be similar, but he's still all for increasing the size of the military...
The Democrats' triangulation on their desire to both appear "strong" on national security and appease the overwhelming movement against the Iraq war is frustrating.
Obama has a great multi-tiered foreign policy plan and I wish he had the courage to emphasize the importance of his proposed nonmilitary programs as well.
March 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it's a question of courage so much as people get bored and fall asleep really quickly at those kinds of speeches. When Obama needs to rally the troops, he isn't going to policy wonk.
The policy is there for those who care to look it up. Everyone else doesn't care enough to be interested if he were to talk about it.
March 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama: Hillary = (same) old thing.
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Their new campaign theme music should include the "Same Old Thing" from KRS-ONE's spoken word CD distributed with his book Ruminations.
March 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Obama because he uses words like "hoodwink" and "bamboozle" in political speeches. It's like a throwback to the campaigns of the 18th and 19th centuries.
March 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually he's quoting Malcom X. It's one of the silly things the Hillary camp use as "evidence" of Obama's "plagiarism", even though it's more like dog-whistle language. Obama's used those terms before, generally in front of mostly-black audiences, because they connect with those voters the same way that "si se puede/Yes We Can" does with Latino voters. It's a good response and smart politics, and one of the reasons why I'm such a huge Obama supporter is that I admire the effectiveness of his campaign (makes me think he'll win in November). But it's good to understand the context and history of the language, because there's more there than just the surface text.
March 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I just posted a snarky comment on another thread about Greg I'd like to take back.
I do hope Greg's right about one thing: "This will dominate the news cycle"
I've thought that before, and it hasn't. The problem isn't that Obama is not responding forcefully, the problem is he's not getting the coverage.
We'll see if that changes tonight. To be clear, I want to see this as the lead political story tonight on CNN, ABC news, MSNBC, etc.
I won't hold my breath for FOX, which will probably spin this as: Obama admits he's not qualified for CIC.
March 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because reporters are tied up taking conference calls from the clinton campaign. At least one a day, I'd guess, at this point.
March 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
More like one every hour or two. They are trying to dominate the news cycle and the right-wing corporate media is allowing them to do it.
March 10, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think a large part of the issue lately has been that the Clinton's understand and are more than willing to give reporters what they want. Drama. I don't think the public infighting between Ikles, Penn, and Co. was accidental. At least not after the first "leak". It was a way to get the ear of reporters, offer them something a little salacious the news media will lap up, and then give then the spin during the process. The spin gets reported as factual news, and the drama gets printed on the back of the NY Post.
Obama has attempted to limit the drama coming out of his camp, but did you notice that the message that resonated most loudly from the Obama campaign last week was the "monster" comment out of Ms. Power? The media is encouraging this, and they're doing their best to keep the campaigns from taking the high road. I have no doubt that unless Obama takes to the national airways with this exact message, it'll be "old news" by 4:30 EST and replaced with the latest spin from the next two Wolfenstein conference calls.
March 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
And like I said, it's 3:00 and there is absolutely no coverage of Obama's response. It's like it never happened.
Can't blame there here though, anytime you can mix the words Governor, New York, and prostitution, you're going to have a story. Not a good day for the Democratic brand name. And they were doing so good...
March 10, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish... but I do have a feeling that Eliot Spitzer's little problem might lead tonight.
I wonder if Hillary will reject and condemn and repudiate (you get the idea) Spitzer over this.... ??
March 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thankfully I had the day off and was able to watch this speech live. Your transcript is good, but actually seeing him respond "visually" was even better. He looked relaxed and confident.
Now I'm hoping that the MSM picks up on the fact that BO is running for PRESIDENT (AND WINNING). The VP slot being offered up by the Clinton's shouldn't be taken seriously and is just another campaign strategy.
March 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the Barak I feel in love with last year.....
We need more of that! I feel all starry-eyed again.
BTW - Where's idiodic? Perhaps this just can't be spun to be good news - for Hillary.
March 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can I ask an off-topic question? As someone who is completely clueless wrt to pop culture, what is the "I drink your milkshake" reference?
March 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a Daniel Day Lewis line from the movie There Will Be Blood.
March 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
There Will Be Blood!
March 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Way to go, Barack!
Someone in second place shouldn't be angling to get the person in first as her running mate.
I've been a loyal Democrat, but if he walks into that convention with more delegates and more votes and they give the nomination to Hillary, I will not vote for her.
http://iwillwalkaway.blogspot.com
March 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zug --
I understand completely, and wholly support Obama for the nomination. My suggestion to you is this... write to Howard Dean / DNC / Superdelegates and demand that they follow the will of the people. If they do not, we need to do a financial boycott of the democrats. We are the ones they come to for money, since Hillary has the downscale voters. It is power to the purse, baby.
And as a side note to everyone... yes, we will have to vote for Hillary should she perform a GWB (like Bush v. Gore in 2000). The Supreme Court is in the balance... potentially 3 justices will be retiring soon. Poor Justice Stevens is 86 (or there abouts). He is healthy as a horse, but... I am certain he has been waiting for a dem to retire. With things like abortion, civil rights, habeus corpus, we cannot sit it out. If another repug gets elected, our court will be set back in time nearly a century on social issues.
Make your voice heard!!! Write to those I mentioned above. Phonebank for Obama in Pennsylvania. Donate to Obama.
March 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
also, this doesn't seem so effective to me. another day spent parrying criticisms is another day he's off message.
March 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is very much on message. He's running for the President of the United States, and he's doing it because he has the ability and the foresight to know that it's not in our interests to go into a situation like Iraq, and that it's unforgivable that some other candidates still running didn't apply what they learned from Iraq in a vote on Iran. That's judgement, and it's something that in my opinion that Obama has shown to have much more of than Hillary Clinton throughout this entire campaign.
March 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was concerned about "where's the response?" now I am fine about Obama. Here's another $25 buddy. Keep'em coming those responses coming..
March 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
A 2 for 1 here!
Dismisses HRC's VP game overall AND takes down the 3AM not ready inference at the same time.
Obama wouldn't take VP slot even if offered. Why the fuck would he want to be part of what would undoubtedly be a corrupt, scandal-plagued HRC administration only to have it taint him an eventual run at the end of that term?
He wouldn't.
Between this and the fact that Gallup and Rasmussen have BOTH swung back towards Obama now, which happened prior to Wyoming - the people seem to be waking up and thinking again.
Perhaps the praising McCain to get at Obama was the turning point?
Perhaps Obama just letting her harp day-in and day-out without really responding in kind WAS the right thing to do (she reminded people exactly why they don't like her)?
Or perhaps, just perhaps, it took a little longer for the fear-mongering of that 3AM to to give way to the rational side of the brain and now won't have the same effect going forward?
Either way, good news on all fronts today.
March 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
yay, Greg! I think commenters will begin to understand how TPM Election Central operates, once they see this?
How do I "recommend" a post? I'm too old-fashioned to understand how to "digg" (don't have my own blog or facebook or myspace, anyway).
March 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see it live, but the way the transcript reads, that was one hell of an "answer" to the specious VP talk coming from the clinton camp.
March 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh... a sigh of relief. Go get 'em Barack!
March 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets see how the media ignores THIS statement and goes right into REPEATING the last two weeks statements by Hillary -- giving HER once again the bulk of the prime time tonight.
March 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go back to the future: "bitch slapping, "hoodwink" and "bamboozle". Enough! You detest Hilary, we got it. Barack Obama: "the messiah", "the one", "Malcom X", "Deval Patrick" or a David Axelrod machine.
March 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Here we go back to the future: "bitch slapping"
..when did Obama ever use the term "bitchslapping"? Please provide a link..
March 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Assuming you are correct and not just biased in your assumption that people "detest" Hillary, she has no one to blame but herself and her campaign for it.
She has reaped what she has sown on this one.
March 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly; I always liked and respected Hillary Clinton, I was prepared to vote for her as President about a year ago and now I am repulsed by her (and Bill for that matter who I considered a personal hero for some time) This all has very little to do with Barack Obama; we are all just lucky he came along to save the Democratic party from Hillbilly now that we know what a lying corrupt politician she is.
Wake up Hillfolk; you're backward, you're out of touch and nobody likes you.
March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
In seriousness, I think an effective move by Obama would be to use this argument to take it up a notch and turn the tables on the whole "empty rhetoric" line used against him.
He can say that they accuse him of empty rhetoric, then use this CiC/VP argument to show they talk out of both sides of their mouth.
If that's not empty rhetoric, I don't know what is.
March 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, most of the quotes were in the AP wire by Charles Babbington. Reuters mussed most of it, perhaps they'll elaborate the article.
March 10, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's attack didn't land on Barack, Barack's landed on her.
March 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one.
March 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it interesting that Obama repeatedly uses the Malcolm X-inspired "hoodwink/bamboozle" language....it is obviously an under-the-radar type of thing to communication with African-Americans....it's smart, but quite transparent.....
March 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
htessay,
I must confess my ignorance. I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you point me to some quotes or analysis of Malcolm X's use of similar language?
March 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's definitely in the Spike Lee _Malcolm X_ movie. "You’ve been hoodwinked, you've been bamboozled, led astray, run amok." I don't know if Malcolm himself used it, but after a few minutes googling, it seems the connection has been made _a lot_.
March 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
htessay at 2:12, bullshit. He has been using the "okey-doke" and "bamboozle" rhetoric all over the country for months, including at American University in Washington, D.C. when the Kennedys endorsed him.
March 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That dastardly Obama, using words that black people might understand. And being so transparent about it, too!
March 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, nice way to slip in a racist comment. Glad to see all those subliminal racist comments from the Clinton campaign were not lost on you.
Clinton mantra: do something horrible then blame your opponent of doing it.
Nice way to back up Hillary.
March 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
No sale. I've heard him use this in Kansas, Idaho, etc. He's consistent.
Kinda funny - he used "okey doke" at the Boston rally and had to explain what it meant to Deval Patrick.
March 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next line of attack: Hillary likes to tout her foreign policy experience. What experience? As far as I can tell, her biggest moment on the foreign policy stage came when she gave a speech. That's right. She gave a speech.
March 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been waiting for that one.
She doesn't have any foreign policy experience except for her Senate experience, and that Senate experience wasn't enough for her to learn to READ THE F'N EIN BEFORE VOTING TO GO TO WAR.
March 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoops, I meant NIE, not EIN.
Tax season is making me crazy.
March 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a perfect response, by Obama. It shows why he is so much better as a candidate.
Unlike Kerry's weakness and perception of lacking any fortitude to stand up and fight.
I think Obama should send another shot azcross the bow of the DNC. DON'T EVEN TRY IT. DON'T TREAD ON ME.
The only reason there's still talk of the dream ticket, is this becomes the easy out for the DNC.
If Obama were to announce an Independant Run,if the DNC decides to throw him under the bus "For the good of the party"
They do this because there is no consequence at this time, because they believe Obama is weak and will capitulate
It is only when the DNC realizes that they will suffer greatly, they'll force the Clintons to back off or destroy the parties best effort of taking the Congress.
If Obama were to suggest a new slate of candidates from the Naderites and Progressive Coalition, taking Obamas enthusiastic and charasmatic appeal, in another direction, then the DNC would be forced to respond or lose. The DNC has not been forced to this realization as of yet.
They probably hope it will be too late for Obama to launch this new coalition before November, so are attempting to minimize the effect, by running the clock out.
The Clintons with nothing to lose, since it appears they have lost anyway, will be the diversion for the DNC, as of yet they have not had to get off the fence.
The time is now, no more fence straddling.
The TES WE CAN, has a time restraint.
March 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calm down. The DNC is not going to do any such thing. Howard Dean would never allow it. Obviously he can say very little publicly but he is a victim of the DLC crowd as much as anyone and I suspect he is working very hard behind the scenes trying to contain the damage the Clintons are causing.
March 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking news, Gov of NY, a Clinton backer, involved in prostitution ring
www.nytimes.com
March 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You better not be taking about his involvement with the Clinton campaigh.
Cause nothing gets me more fired up than hearing people say Chelsea's being pimped.
March 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please tell me Clinton wasn't one of the prostitutes.
Because yuck, how gross would that be?
March 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent.
Of course, if Obama were running a negative campaign, he could go ahead and throw out there that one of Clinton's bigger supporters is DOH! caught up in a prostituion ring.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html
March 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, this isn't excellent news for dems. Spitzer was a rising dem star and regardless of who he supported, this is not a good thing. Also, he's the governor of NY. Who do you think he's going to support? Not good news at all.
March 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. He was definitely on the short list for 2016 for the presidency... sad day for dems...
March 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
excellent verbal jiu-jitsu, Barack!
BTW, he has been using "okey-doke" for months all over the country, including at American University in Washington, D.C. when the Kennedys endorsed him.
I agree the timing was perfect, mid-day, first day of the week, 18 hours before voting starts in his next victorious primary. After he wins MS tomorrow, this clip will go on non-stop rotation for another 24 hours, at least on MSNBC! Or, at the very least, KO will run it five or six times this week!
I don't think Barack needs to fire anybody, Axelrod has complete and skilled control of the message. They DID pay out rope all weekend to make damn sure Penn and Wolfson and all Hillary's surrogates wrapped the rope around their necks securely, then YANKED it today!
Rendell was starting to wriggle and squirm already yesterday morning on Timmeh, so the Obama crew just waited to make sure all the other surrogates fell in the same trap on all the Sunday talk shows before snapping it shut today. So beautiful.
March 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama just picked up a Mississippi super delegate btw.
March 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well lookie here. Gallup Tracking Poll has Obama back up by 5 points: 49-44. Not that it matters. But given the breathless coverage by TPM a few days ago when Clinton took the lead, I say it's fitting to note that just like Super Tuesday, it took a couple of days for the MSM to focus on the fact that it was another split decision.
March 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
More media bias:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/ap_on_el_pr/obama_ticket;_ylt=AqZb.yoJiddraOWrEORS_yus0NUE
Note this paragraph:
Excuse me? Is Obama falling short of his goal?
For those interested, there is a lively discussion on media bias against Obama at:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/want-to-see-press-bias.php
March 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Tanenbaum's Electoral Vote website has an interesting discussion today on the value of experience as a guide to how successful a president is. His take is that there's no meaningful correlation between experience and performance.
He also highlights the contrast between arguably the most experienced person elected president, and the man who succeeded him, whose resume at the time was in some ways similar to Obama's. James Buchanan (10 years each in the House and Senate, plus 4 as a cabinet secretary) was followed by an Illinois state senator (for 8 years) who had served just one term in the House, but lost his race for the senate. And yet Abraham Lincoln is considered if not our best president ever, at least in the top 3.
Now this isn't to say that Obama would be another Lincoln, but Tanenbaum does argue effectively that "experience" has essentially no predictive value in determining how well a person will do as president.
March 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately for Obama, New York's Governor being tied to a prostitution ring will blow this headline to page 4. If I were more of a conspiracy theorist, I would say the Clintons were behind this "revelation," too.
March 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
i dont think so. the NY governor and BO reply will have equal coverage...
March 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a minute I thought so too, but that's a pretty big bomb to blow to quiet a significantly less important event. This is the kind of thing they'd want to blow if Obama landed a huge hit against Clinton's credibility or revealed some massive current campaign blunder.
March 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure... but would anyone suggest that he use the phrase "go to the back of Clinton's bus" as VP on the Clinton Presidential ticket? Too much?
March 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he could have someone say it, and then fire them for it.
March 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. I'll second that.
March 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
probably too much. but damn funny
March 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
anybody who thinks "bamboozle" is "a black thing," or somehow "code" aimed at African-Americans, has obviously missed years of Josh Marshal's coverage of GOP "Bamboozlement(tm) (c)" ever since at least 2004, if not since the site started. get a clue, people.
March 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh Marshall is secretly black.
March 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
D'OH! You forgot the spew alert! There's coke-cola all over my keyboard.
March 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
(Note: I'm not the real "Idiotic - that's a a lower case L). I just miss the posts :-)
Helluva response from Obama, fwiw. Not sure if there's anyway to counter it, which is going to make things tough on the Clintons.
March 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for the disclaimer, lol
March 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing personal, but it's just not the same. :-(
March 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it's all in the delivery.
March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Late breaking news....Hillary Clinton will be in NY side by side with Spitzer. She's fiercely loyal and will stand with him. Wait a minute, Bubba's on the client list?! Dang, and he promised!
March 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's only room on this blog for one idiotic. I call for a showdown.
March 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woohoo! Obama is ahead again nationally in both Gallup and Rasmussen polls, too.
March 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it ODD that the Spitzer Prostitute story should BREAK right now?
March 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did have a brief mental image of Mark Penn seeing Obama's speech and then breaking an emergency glass case with Spitzer prostitution pictures inside...
March 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
cracked me UP!
March 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had the same thought about the Spitzer story, morphitologist. Where'd our headline go already? I guess I am a tad paranoid.
Still, I'm going to donate every time Obama acknowledges an attack so eloquently and effectively...without getting nasty. Anyone wanna join me..?
March 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's got my green.
March 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama takes the 'olive branch' offered by Clinton and steps all over it.
As someone who touts themselves as a Uniter, he sure has a strange way of going about the business of uniting.
The 13 million plus Democrats voted for Hillary, and Obama is basically saying, "Screw You. I wouldn't even consider her for VP."
Is this part of his strategy of wooing Party Super Delegates.
March 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm... it's not an olive branch when you're losing and you offer your opponent the opportunity to surrender and then help get you elected.
March 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton anywhere on the ticket is suicide for the dems in november. Of course he would never pick her for vp, that would be a dumb move and he's not dumb.
March 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
An olive branch - oy vey. This is the single silliest comment I've read in ages.
March 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's customary when offering an olive branch to refrain from slandering the recipient.
March 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen this being reported ANYWHERE yet -- what's the deal? If it had been Hillary it would be all over the place.
March 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have seen a clip on MSNBC webpage. It's cool.
March 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calling Idiotic
March 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really, franklyn? Is that why the Obama headline is now nowhere to be seen on TPM's homepage, where the Spitzer story is front-and-center?
March 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
i concede
March 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nutz... looks like the news cycle is going to be dominated by Spitzer today. Hopefully, the story wont' matter so much in MS local media markets. But the national media will go bananas.
Apologies from several of us here in NY for the upstaging of circumstances. I'd rather see BHO knock the socks off HRC for a few news cycles.
March 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the one hand, it's a New York, not a national, story, so it shouldn't have lead legs throughout the week. But because it's a sex thing and Sptizer was a big ethics guy, it's going to get plenty of breathless coverage. We love us some sex scandals, especially when a high-minded moralizer is taken down.
I'm just hoping Obama heads off to Europe and Asia after Mississippi tomorrow. That would grab him some headlines.
March 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on, Barack!!! You covered every point I've been stewing over!! Now if it makes the evening news my day will be perfect.
March 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is he saying he wouldn't consider her for VP? I'll have to read again...I didn't see that part. I thought he was saying he wouldn't be considered for VP himself. Big difference.
I also don't think it's quite the olive branch it might seem to be. An olive branch would be suggesting a joint ticket without putting Obama on the BOTTOM when he is winning the election. That's a bit patronizing and underhanded. But a good political strategy, granted.
I agree a bit more with those who see it as her subtly eroding the vision of him as president. But honestly, I'd love to see more olive branches that what we're seeing.
March 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Silly me, here I thought BILL was going to be the VP?!?! I'm so confused.....
March 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, late to the party...THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!
March 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
all is right in the world.
March 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you making T-Shirts yet?
That's not even FUNNY! But I laugh EVERY DAMN TIME! I laugh HARDER WHEN YOU'RE LATE!
March 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yea! Glad you made it. It just hasn't been the same without you.
March 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Penn just shat himself.
March 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funnily enough, Sptizer is a Hillary supporter.
March 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The word "hood" has a special meaning in Mississippi.
March 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like Obama might be saying yes to me. I think he'd be an attractive vp candidate. I was going to write cute but I did not want to sound sexist.
March 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: Spitzer.
Looks like Hillary may have just lost another superdelegate.
March 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh good point he was a pledge super delegate for Hillary wasn't he.
March 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It didn't disqualify Bill Clinton. Wouldn't Spitzer become a DPL even if he resigned?
March 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Obama could demand that Hillary reject and denounce his support. :P
March 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I think the term is AUTOMATIC DELEGATE, not to be confused with the ROVING DELEGATE and the DELEGATE-FOR-SALE.
This is a very carefully constructed process that goes back years, and we're going to follow the process.
March 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if Spitzer gets all the attention today, Obama will have the chance to make the point again in his victory speech tomorrow.
March 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will pick up the idiotic mantra until he/she can do it properly...
Getting Bitch-Slapped..IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!!
March 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry idiotic - your post didn't appear until after I had posted this.
March 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to fear, folks, Jeff Zeleny over at NYT has a post in their blog The Caucus exactly about Barack's hitback today, and the link for it is currently directly underneath the photo of Spitzer.
P.S. TPM should just move the Spitzer story over to TPM Muckraker, it's just some poor zhleb's personal screwup, it'll all blow over in a few hours, no big deal . . . uh, wrong. ("Holy Shit Batman! The Governor Was Caught With Hookers! He Must Have Been Set Up by The Riddler!")
March 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And then we have NY Gov. Spitzer in on a prostitution ring - why can't this stuff come out before Super Tuesday's.... thankfully PA is just a hop away from NY. Let's tally - A FORMER Obama fundraiser on trial for bribery, and a boneheaded deal for real estate advice. NY Gov. Spitzer and current Clinton supporter and fundraiser involved in a prosto ring. Sounds about even... riiiight.
March 10, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get what the deal is: Spitzer, who supports Hillary, knows she's going to lose. Spitzer, who has known for a while that he is about to lose his job, decides to go out in a blazing inferno to knock Obama off television. Then, Spitzer will resign and arrange a special election so Hillary can become Governor of New York, wait a few years, and run again for Preznit if Obama can't beat McSame. Right?
March 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's part of the speech on video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/obama-if-im-not-ready-_n_90765.html
March 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's about time, Buster!!
Now to retire this username, and let you continue the HILL-MENTUM!!
March 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
RIPOSTE, Obama! We're proud of you! Applause!
March 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now will TPM, the MSM, or someone start tying that same bow around the bundle of information about the Clinton campaign mismanagement, poor fundraising, how Bill just can't keep himself in check (campaign or as spouse of an office-holder), no substantive difference in Senate experience (outside of votes on Iraq and Iran), and get to why we would WANT to vote for someone for President?
That happens and you suddenly the Clinton campaign loses all it's content and the Obama campaign keeps right on going, just without brief and discracting "responses" to the Clintons.
Oh, and does anyone hear the Republicans roaring with laughter about the latest internal Democratic kerfluffle?
March 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the spirit we need. It's tough, it's accurate, it doesn't pander, it doesn't demean. It just calls out the tactic for what it is-- disingenuous, misleading, and logically incoherant-- and reminds you that that's the old and this is the new.
Idiotic, you really need to get on the ball. Most of us only still come to TPM because of your insightful commentary, and we can't be waiting two hours for it.
March 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good comeback on a ridiculous story line by Clinton.
I'm sure it will dominate the news cycle...unless something hugely unexpected happens....like Elliot Spitzer gets caught in a prostitution ring.
March 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for stepping on Obama's newscycle, Spitzer.
March 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely played, Barack.
Keep your cool and keep scoring points when they leave you openings.
You ain't no okey-doke!
March 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
and POOF Obama's news cycle goes out the window with the Spitzer news.
nothing beats sex.
sucks for us Obama people.
March 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's big enough news that it'll play regardless.
I think the Tucker gets cancelled story will get pushed out of the news cycle.
March 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is most of his speech on MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561422/
March 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Goody!!!! Go to the Drudge Report...this story is right on top with video! Oh, it's so cool....
March 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the risk of sounding contentious, since when is ignoring the wishes of (whatever the count is at the moment) roughly 49% of the democratic primaucaus voters uniting the party? Granted HRC's 'offer' or 'olive branch' was a left handed compliment at best, but it still (oh my gosh, you're all going to jump on me for this) had the advantage of recognising the popularity of her opponent. The BHO supporters on this page and elsewhere seem to be personally affronted at the idea that people could be passionately, fiercely supportive of HRC (i know several of all different ages, genders and races who fit that bill). To my ears this response smacks of personal ambition (a sin when it's HRC you're talking about) and arrogance. I've said elsewhere i'm disappointed in the field and prefer neither candidate, but remarks like these, embodying as they do such a huge disregard for half of those who've voted dem, make Nader a more and more attractive prospect.
March 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please don't confuse an olive branch for a sprig of poison ivy. This VP talk of Clinton's was her way of trying to stay relevant while donning the appearance of magnanimity. This reeks of hubris, the very essence of arrogance. Obama's response was spot on.
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama were in second place, that's exactly what it would be. She's in second place. It's a power play, pure and simple, one designed to deceive the public into thinking she's the one in the dominant position, and should be called out as such.
March 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm...bamboozle, okey-doke...must be in Mississippi today.
March 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
er, all these people taking me to task for connecting Obama's comments with Malcom X's famous comments about "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled....who cares that he has been saying it for all the entire campaign, in Kansas, whatever....THAT DOESN'T CHANGE the fact this he is subtly communicating with his African-American supporters with the use of this language. I'm not sure it is a good thing or a bad thing, but let us at least be open and honest about what he is doing....
March 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
htessay, 2:58: more bullshit, he communicates with EVERYBODY with this language, you bozo. Look at the WaPo link I just put up below.
March 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say hoodwinked all the time. Really.
Am I channeling Malcom X? Be honest.
March 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, it's not some secret code thingy only black people can understand. I've heard plenty of white reporters who tried to make hay out of this saying he's channeling Malcolm X. Which would not help one bit in the primary or the general. So why would you think he'd do it?
But if you think it's some secret code, fine. Just like when he used the word periodically, it means he was referring to female issues, right?
March 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very nice, now he needs to keep hammering them with this.....
March 10, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
NYT has this blog post:
Obama Hits Back on VP Chatter.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/obama-hits-back-on-vp-chatter/index.html?hp
They left out the great "okey-doke" and "hoodwink" lines. NYT home page claims they have video, too.
Also up at the WaPo blog, The Trail:
It's a REALLY good post by Peter Slevin, he includes all the "okey-doke" and "hoodwink" lines and then reprises the best parts of the speech:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/10/obama_im_no_vp.html
March 10, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Spitzer business is no boon for Obama. He had been a bit of a lightening rod for the GOP in New York, and acting all holier than thou. This may hurt HRC a little bit more, but this is bad for all democrats. Period.
Spitzer=jackass
March 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This can't be good for any Democrat! If Spitzer resigns (as he probably will), the Repubs will have another shot at the gov's seat unless the lt. gov can fill Spitzer's shoes in a hurry.
There's nothing like a hypocrit to sink a progressive movement....
March 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If i am the governor of NY and i am involved in a prostitution ring, those women better be dam hot. The club that he was involved in has a website, and the women arent that pretty!!
www.emperorsclubvip.com
March 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry wrong link
http://emperors-spokesmodels.com/Welcome/Welcome.html
March 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
There he goes again with his "judgment". Enough already. That speech was six years ago. According to the Faire Lady Samantha, he's been bamboozling us about his Iraq exit plan all during the campaign. Okey doke?
March 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
What speech? You thought he only made one speech against the war in 2002? He made several of them.
And it wasn't just 6 years ago - it was also just recently when he railed against Kyl-Lieberman and Clinton voted in favor of it.
She says she 'regrets' her Iraq vote but her actions speak much louder than words.
March 10, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, look! This article is once again headlined on the TPM homepage...but clearly a sex scandal trumps yet again, as the Spitzer story is top.
March 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great line from SNL this past weekend.
In response to Hillary saying she's "just getting warmed up" the night before the March 4 primaries: Hey Hillary, how are you going to be ready on day one if it takes you 31 primaries to get warmed up?
March 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
damn, I missed it.
Any videos?
March 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check on the NBC web site. It's from Weekend Update.
March 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was a great post. This will show that Senator Obama doesn't have a Glass Jaw. The Clinton's are doing several things to destroy the most promising young leader since Kennedy, and if they do it not on the strength of their arguments, but by the kind of politics we have seen them deploy, the results will be devastating to the democratic party for a decade. Just please take the time to look at the tactics the Clinton's are using: fear and mud, a barrage of petty attacks, by toying with questions about him being a "Muslim", by saying that together on the same ticket they would be an unstoppable force but Obama would be the Vice President, by subtle invocation of the race card, by intermittent reliance on gender identity politics, by taking faux offense to keep the news cycle busy ("shame on you, Barack Obama!") and so on. CAN YOU SEE IT?
March 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see Obama tie Clinton's deception to the bigger picture - that Clinton, who took the nomination (and your votes) for granted, has been spurned and will do anything (lie, change the rules of the game, etc.) to get what she believes she's entitled to.
March 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truth hurts...
Obama can't win (just look at the states he's lost)
Clinton can't beat the Republican election machine (without help)
Obama/Clinton would never happen
Clinton/Obama - Unbeatable!
Time for the Super Delegates to step up.
Facts trump hope, everytime.
March 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, wake up. Obama hasn't "lost" any states. He didn't win the party primary in some states, but it's laughable to suggest he would lose CA, NY, MA, etc. in a General election.
March 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet you didn't mention one fact in your post, just ignorant speculation (ignorance is in you obviously haven't looked at any polls).
So, what is your point again?
March 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's March...it's very early...polls mean nothing at this point.
March 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
And in case you're wondering about these meaningless polls:
Yeah, I do read them but learn nothing from them.
Again - It's only March!
Pres '08
Feb 28 RasmussenMcCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 43%
Pres '08
Feb 28 RasmussenMcCain (R) 46%, Obama (D) 43%
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Feb 27 RasmussenMcCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 43%
Pres '08
Feb 27 RasmussenMcCain (R) 46%, Obama (D) 43%
Pres '08
Feb 27 LAT/BloombergMcCain (R) 46%, Clinton (D) 40%
Pres '08
Feb 27 LAT/BloombergMcCain (R) 44%, Obama (D) 42%
Pres '08
Feb 26 RasmussenMcCain (R) 47%, Clinton (D) 44%
Pres '08
Feb 26 RasmussenMcCain (R) 47%, Obama (D) 43%
Pres '08
Feb 25 CBS/NYTObama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 38%
Pres '08
Feb 25 CBS/NYTClinton (D) 46%, McCain (R) 46%
Pres '08
Feb 25 USA Today/GallupMcCain (R) 50%, Clinton (D) 46%
Pres '08
Feb 25 USA Today/GallupMcCain (R) 48%, Obama (D) 47%
Pres '08
Feb 25 GallupMcCain (R) 48%, Obama (D) 47%
Pres '08
Feb 25 GallupMcCain (R) 50%, Clinton (D) 46%
March 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't decide if you are trying to hoodwink or bamboozle us.
Nah- you are just f-ing with our heads.
March 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't decide if you are trying to hoodwink or bamboozle us.
Nah- you are just f-ing with our heads.
March 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just showing that polls don't matter this early. Look at these from just a week or so ago and how much they have changed in just a short time.
March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Being one of those 'olde white folks' and having been raised in a very Southern family, I know jolly well what hoodwinked and okey dokey mean. Spot on, Obama !
You don't have to be Southern to know what the Clintonesque VP offer is,,,,, in dialect, it translates, "Move over offen the sidewalk, darkie, and let the nice white lady walk on by",,,,, including the implied and well understood, "Or else".
GOBAMA 08,,,,,, HE IS ONE CLASS ACT !
March 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons' tactics are so Rovian. While trying to swiftboat Barack Obama, the Clintons embark on another game: Their constant talk about Senator Obama being the VP to Hillary Clinton is some sort of psychological game, straight out of the Karl Rove play book.
Again, the Clintons' tactics, by repeatedly saying that Senator Obama would make a great VP is simply a way to make people confused. Let no one forget that Senator Obama IS the leader in the delegate count, and that he will be on the TOP of the ticket.
Tell the Clintons that if they already made a list of who the VP is, and if Senator Obama is on top of such a list, the Clintons should take him off that list because at the moment, Senator Obama is simply too busy to run for the President's Office as our Commander in Chief. No time for the Clintons' fairy tales.
March 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary the Hoodwinker.
Don't be hoodwinked by Hillary!
Hillary=Hoodwinked
Hill + Bill = Hoodwinked
March 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I assume she can run for governor once she accepts reality and drops out.
March 10, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
idiotic, we were getting worried. :)
March 10, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
By any and all counts she is losing and will not be able to secure a lead in either pledged delegates or the popular vote.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/obamas-popular.html
The only hope she has is to destroy Barack in the primary and go to the convention with bloody hands and say she is the only electable candidate.
Just when I think I cannot detest her any more she sinks to new depths.
At least Spitzer will lose his Super Delegate status so maybe that will cost her support.
March 10, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, the timing of this Spitzer thing is too weird. But then, I've never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like.
The mass media will, sheeplike, go wandering off to chase this ("Ooooh politcs ... ooooh, sex .... oooh, shiny!")
I think it is important to move the OBama speech link around to any blogs you can think of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMQqxPYYNY
Non-mainstream media will keep the story alive.
March 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, you guys are easily impressed. This was BRILLIANT? There was nothing wrong with it, but do you really think that Obama's fondest wish was to be talking about this today? This is Hillary's subject, and he's talking about. I doubt very much the Clinton campaign thought they wwould just talk about it and he would never respond.
He basically came out and said he wasn't running for vice president, then talked about how Hillary says he isn't ready. Do you really think that's his preferred topic of conversation? The Clinton camp got several news cycles out of this. Obama saying he's not running for VP will be in the news tomorrow, then be forgotten about, because it's what he was expected to say.
And you may all be pleased with the "why would she pick me if she thinks I'm not ready?" routine, but I really don't think the voting public is going to be so impressed. Why would you want to be in an argument where you're comeback is "I thought you said I'm not ready?"
March 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, now wait just a minute! "Hoodwink" and "Bamboozle" are quite familiar words to me, and I know just what they mean. Of course, I'm 66, not 21 so that might have something to do with it. Give the guy a break, why don't you! He can very well say on national tv "Don't pay attention to Hillary, she's just fucking with your minds".
Of course, that's JUST what she's doing....but now most of the bogs have this, and most of the news sites as well. Even FOX. This is going to get a lot of play on the national news, because it's way more entertaining than some poor sad middle-age guy trying to buy some strange stuff. I sure would like them to publicize the client list, though. New York, right?
March 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spitzer just knocked this one off the monitors, Damn!
March 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good lord...go to http://www.smokinggun.com
They have all the gory details about what Spitzer aka "Client 9" liked to do with the hired girl. Juicy reading.
March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep up this tone, Obama.
Keep repeating this message.
Great.
March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You posters who are worried about the Sptizer thing need to cease and desist.
Barack's words will be uttered again. He has been choosing and polishing them for days. Expect to hear this speech at least two more times with much greater ease, precision, and humor.
Here is the real deal:
When you hit back: You've got to think about the response and the counter-response and the counter-counter-response.
Team Barack has been thinking about all of that. For days now. They are now hitting back. Expect more. And expect mo' betta.
Here it comes.
Enjoy it.
March 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do hope that Obama ties this to a large message of Hillary's dishonesty.
"Say anything do anything" cheating etc.
March 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"At least Spitzer will lose his Super Delegate status so maybe that will cost her support."
BO should tie HRC to Spitzer and the "corrupt NY establishment"
All of NY is in the Clinton's pocket. Now this!
March 10, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha it's quite funny when on CNN video 'Wyoming was a good start', Sen. Barack Obama's campaign communications director talks to CNN's John Roberts, J. Roberts giggles when the campaign director explains the non-logic of first claiming Obama to be 'not ready' and then suggest him to be vice president. Very funny… everybody giggles when hillary makes arguments. haha
March 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Imagine. We could choose a smart person for our president.
This guy could be rich being a trial lawyer, and instead he wants to run for president.
We could be really lucky, you know.
March 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch.
That was one heavy bodycheck.
I'd like to echo Liberal Historian here. Don't worry about the speech being overshadowed by the New York scandal.
Clinton can't keep bringing up the "Obama as VP" idea without this being referenced. Obama just put those worms back in the can. And he's likely to repeat it as well.
There's another subtext here as well. There will be some more attempts to hoodwink voters later on in the year, courtesy of a straight-talking maverick who has a history of disowning his own bills.
This is a preview of Obama's response and I'd give anything to have seen the look on John McCain's face when he saw it.
March 10, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
great two-for. he shows that Clinton herself is saying he's ready to be president, and rejects her 'offer' very strongly at the same time. nice.
March 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton Bamboozles
Failing to release her tax returns showing where the $5 million loan funds were garnered.
Failing to accurately describe her role in Northern Ireland negotiations
Claiming to be a Democrat while facilitating McCain's campaign talking-points
Taking claim for Family Leave Act which was completed before Clinton took office
Failing to release WH appointment lists so we know what activities she had while in the WH.
March 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just don't understand the response of a good many of the Obama people here. Rejoicing in the fall of a fellow Democratic office holder is not exactly the smartest stance to take. Tying Hillary to a prostitution ring in some sort of third-grade, little boy joke, well, that's just really pathetic. Is this the kind of unity Obama promises to bring us? Here's hoping Obama is neither as stupid or immature as sort of his followers here at TPM.
March 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, he's much smarter than us. That's why we like him ;)
March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has the ability to take crap thrown at him by Monster, Inc., and chuck it right back at them with great skill, clarity, and honesty. And the funny thing is, after reading or watching his response, you kinda feel bad for the Clinton campaign.
Well, not really.
March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Monster Inc."
That is pretty good.
I also like "McClinton"
March 10, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry about the Spitzer story. Just keep repeating this line until it gets coverage. Even if they report it simply because he is repeating it - it still gets coverage; which is what is most important.
March 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has been saying all along that she respects Obama but that he lacks experience. So she thinks giving him experience would be worth the risk that he'd have to answer that phone before the end of her two terms.
March 10, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
To HRC: BOO YAH, BITCH!!!!! GET 'EM OBAMA!! YOU DA MAN!!!!!!
March 10, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think okey doke, bamboozle, and hoodwink, are terms that Harvard educated attorneys use when they are trying to disarm listeners so they can sway them to their point of view, and they'll never realize what hit them. Oops, sorry, I caught on. Yalies have their own language.
March 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just want to second what DirkVA says about Southern accents "emerging" when you wind up 'back home' -- white or black. It isn't something you can control or are even fully aware of. Even Northerners who live there for some time pick up the cadences.
The years Obama was in Chicago working as a community organizer he was surrounded by Southern blacks - accent, food, family, traditions are about the same in Chicago and Memphis/Mississippi. Lots of interconnection.
March 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the vernacular of the place:
"He sure fixed *her* wagon!"
March 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
My only nitpick is that he should have reversed his point about not having it both ways.
Instead of saying,
"If I’m not ready, how is it that you think I should be such a great vice president?",
he should have said,
"If you think I'd be such a great VP, how can you say that I'm not ready?"
Same thing, I know, but I think the latter would have sounded more positive.
March 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama actually gained 7 more delegates that Hillary last week:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/10/11748/6707
!!
March 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree with Liberal Historian: "When you hit back: You've got to think about the response and the counter-response and the counter-counter-response."
It would be a good idea to do that thinking before you 'hit' also. Simultaneously punching with "he's not ready to be C-i-C" and "he's best as my VP" was not really very smart. Maybe they should run their talking points past ... oh, your average 10 year old .. to make sure they are somewhat logical. And do we really want someone with such terribly poor planning???
I think Obama's timing all along has been great -- sort of Cary Grant-ish in fact. The longer they kept going with these two (contradictory if they just stopped to realize it) talking points, the better the impact when there was finally an answer. So, esp. with all the VP talk, people were waiting ... and waiting .. and waiting .... for the response. Which means they are going to listen and pay attention when it arrives. Masterful.
Totally different subject -- are folks aware that the NY Lt. Gov. (David Paterson) is a well-respected African American? And he is legally blind. Very interesting fellow.
March 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Usually when one offers an olive branch, they don't beat the other person over the head with it! I know, I know...its just Hillary's way, because she is a fighter...too bad she's not a peace-maker. She just might have had a chance in this thing.
March 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's a fighter, but not a very good one. A good fighter not only needs to punch hard, but needs to see what's coming, have tactical manuvering skills, know the difference between a good position and a bad one.
Watch that glass jaw, Hillary. We don't want you to hurt yourself or anything....
March 11, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
So now Obama is making the mistake of running against Bill Clinton and not Hillary.
I think Obama is scared and on the defensive. He is constantly having to respond to Clinton rather than own the dialog.
At some point he will have to face the lie that he was against the war. In fact what he was against was giving the President the authority to go to war and that is irresponsible and poor judgment. If he's the nominee McCain will make mincemeat of him on this point.
This is going to be a convention floor fight which means all bets are off. The nomination process has been so botched with the FL and MI primaries that the candidates will be seen as essentially starting over as equals. They will have to win based on what goes on at the convention, not what happened prior to it.
(Watch for Edwards to be one of the deciding factors.)
March 10, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is he running against Bill?
Both Clintons have floated the idea of Obama as VP.
March 10, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
hillary can do better for that kind of money.
March 10, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all the big news today, he's got to repeat, repeat, repeat. And with as great timing and energy as in this clip. Use the same words, this is exactly how to say it. No one will have heard it today, with today's big news. So please, Obama, repeat this!!!
Elliot Spitzer story is one distraction today, but a much more important big story is the Wall Street Journal scoop on the government having a TIA-type unauthorized evesdropping and data gathering operation).
March 10, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think that's entirely true.
Yes, he needs to keep saying it. But MSNBC gave it pretty substantial air time, considering Spitzer. Hardball lead with Spitzer but covered it. Olbermann has yet to even get to Spitzer, having spent the first half talking about it (I think the phrase "dumbest thing yet" was used to describe Wolfson's explanation).
March 10, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"How is he running against Bill?"
Well, he premised his entire statement on a quote that Bill Clinton made about his selection of the VP. Hillary has him running in circles. Devoting an entire speech to how he feels about being the VP is not something a confident Presidential candidate would make.
He running scared and his comeback just links his name more to VP than if he had said nothing at all.
Perception is reality in this game.
March 10, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all, he hardly dedicated an "entire speech" to the VP topic.
Secondly. Yes, he referenced a Bill quote. But I don't think using Bill's words in 1992 against Hillary now is "running against Bill." He's just showcasing how the two ideas (being ready for VP but not for President) can't co-exist.
March 10, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's funny and interesting enough to merit commenting on.
Yes and no. Yes Miss uses such slang, but no it's hardly exclusive. In fact it's wide spread especially among Gen X and Y in northern urban areas.
I use hoodwink and bamboozle all the time, and am a mixed race (white/asian) San Franciscan. They're great words. Folksy retro slang, from Jazz to Country slang, was widely re-popularized during the 80's and 90's by think'n fellers and literary hipsters reading Beat poets and listening to older Jazz, Country, and Folk recordings.
They have a musicality and cool that 80's slang like "RAD!" "DEF!" "bitchin!" just don't.
I actually used "hoodwink" here on TPM the other day, specifically to describe what Hillary is doing. I use "bamboozle" all the time, because no other word really captures the essence of a snake-oil con-job quite as perfectly. Even my spellchecker's default English library recognized both.
March 10, 2008 9:23 PM |