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Obama: "I'm Not Vetting My Pastor"

One question that the Wright controversy has raised is this: Did Obama see it coming?

Was the Obama campaign aware, or prepared for the eventuality, that such incendiary comments would be surfacing? Should it have been?

In an interview to air tomorrow on ABC, Obama addressed this in a strikingly straightforward way:

"I'm not vetting my pastor," Obama told "The View." "I didn't have a research team during the course of 20 years to go pull every sermon he's given and see if there's something offensive that he's said."

Obama may not be willing to do this, but you can bet that the Republicans are already doing it quite diligently, thank you very much.

To be clear, that's not a criticism of Obama. Presuming this is true, it's another sign that he's just not willing to approach this problem in a conventional political fashion, and is willing to accept the liabilities that accompany this decision -- or is perhaps confident that he can talk his way out of them.


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Pretty refreshing actually.

It's not any different from what McCain and Huckabee said. The only people who disagrees is Hillary.

Frankly, who vetts their pastor?

No one. Which is why this issue always was, is now, and will forever be completely bogus.

In spite of all the earnest long faces and forced indignation about Wright's thunderous sermons and their "impact" on our fragile sensibilities, there is only one reason why this non-starter is even an issue:

both Hillary and McCain are afraid that Obama could actually win.

Some quick analysis:

The Trinity United story has been around for some time. Obama had already denounced his pastor's comments before the South Carolina primary. See this article in the religious website, BeliefNet (see page 2). Also, see this NY Times piece from last April.

Given that it was out there in the NY Times (not exactly the subterranean, knuckle-dragging, right-wing press), and most in the media glossed right over it for months, suggests that something else was afoot.

That something else was success.

It should be no coincidence to anyone following this campaign as closely as we are on TPM that the rise of this story coincided with the fall of the Clinton campaign. Now, before the Clinton CAPS LOCK crowd pounces, I am not suggesting Hillary's campaign formally pushed the story. Instead, I think the right-wing, seeing their easy-to-beat candidate already being beaten, kicked into high gear for their own nefarious purposes. The Clinton campaign only had to sit back and watch - which is what they did.

No one on either side expected Obama to handle the controversy as deftly as he did. In spite of his remarkable success in this campaign, the pundit classes (who are favorable to him and vulnerable to his charms) never completely understood him. And they were as shocked as the Clintons, after the initial polling following Obama's race speech, at how little impact the issue had on him.

And that's when the Clinton campaign formally engaged in the Wright issue and joined forces with the right-wing as its official Bride of Frankenstein.

Because of that unholy marriage, the rest of us are now stuck talking ad nauseum and ad infinitum about this ancillary figure, Rev. Wright, as though he himself were the presidential candidate. It's a great big game of pretend.

The upside is that the whole issue underscores a single, critical point: Obama is winning.

Exactly, PH.

The "you are politically responsible for everything your pastor said" standard is brand new. It's certainly never been applied to Republicans. And my guess is that it never will be.

Which is why I'm more than a little annoyed that even Greg Sargent seems intent on papering over this fact:

Presuming this is true, it's another sign that he's just not willing to approach this problem in a conventional political fashion, and is willing to accept the liabilities that accompany this decision -- or is perhaps confident that he can talk his way out of them.

It's not Obama who is being "unconventional" here, it's the media making outrageous new purity demands on him. Obviously Obama can't call the media out on this. But I think it's important for us consumers of the media to do so.

I would propose the latter of your two option. I'll bet Obama has internalized Kerry's "lesson of 2004:" nip problems in the bud, don't ignore them.

But, Obama still has a long hump to cover if he is to convince the (still numerous beyond words) throngs of racists out there "concerned about having a black president," to come over to his side. He probably will fail in that test.

Therefore, minimize the impact of "race on the race." Of course, that "race issue" dices both ways.

I'm also sure that Obama and his campaign (as am I) are breathing a sigh of relief as it appears that they have weathered this storm in the primary.

Perhaps, by the time the real fight comes around, this will be "old news?"

Those that consider race a prerequisite will not vote for Obama. That established already.

I agree. It's pretty clear to me that there's a lot of 'concern trolling' going on, with people pretending to be worried about all kinds of stuff around Obama, when what they're really worried about is race. It's a wimpy kind of passive-aggressive prejudice, just hidden enough to let the perps still think they're good people.

Sorry. That's just what it looks like to me.

Well, yes, he's saying he's not doing what we might expect a more politically-tuned candidate might do. That's what he's pretty much saying.

But my guess is, based upon stories from one year ago that he knew this attention on Wright could eventually come, that he is merely saying today: look, he's my PASTOR.

THAT, in and of itself, is his message. And he leaves it to others to determine whether the pastor is the same thing as the candidate.

It's a slightly risky move, I think, given that Wright's comments are still, as one TPM reader wrote, like fingernails on a blackboard, but I suspect he's feeling this move will help folks to seg-way on to other matters.

Obama's still answering questions about Wright without acting exasperated about it. I think this is so, so wise. He's giving folks a little time to digest and - then - to digress...

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Well as far as I'm concerned, this is one of the best things I've heard a candidate say in a long time.

It's the right thing to say.

And seriously, most people already know the Pastor said offensive things. Arguably, the drip-drip-drip of ridiculous things like the "garlic nose" idiocy of this morning is going to strike most people as sort of petty in the long run. I may be overly optimistic but I can see it play out that way.

This Wright "controversy" is a media manufactured one. Wright is not running for office. Obama is being held to a different standard w/regard to 'guilt by association'.

Many have posted links to Wright's sermons in context, and yet the smear of a man who has preached for 20 or 30 years and has done a world of good for so many continues to be maligned and villified to the point that he's had to cancel speaking engagements for safety reasons.

That the media, the clinton camp, and the hanity/limbaugh/buchanan/scarborough ditto heads continue to push this is an outrage!

Mike Huckabee defended Reverend Wright. Hilary's old pastor defended Reverend Wright. Frank Schaeffer and MANY have defended him. Enough!

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I'm pretty sure he means he didn't chose his pastor based on a thorough examination of his pastor's previous sermons and how they might effect his future political prospects (ie "vetting).

Which is different from going through those sermons now, preparing himself and his campaign for anything else that might come out. I have a hunch some of that self-oppo research is going on right now in the campaign.

I think it would be pretty silly of the GOP to start airing little snippets of Wright's sermons from the past 20 years over and over again until November. Don't you?

I've already seen additional explosive remarks from Obama's pastor on Fox News. The remarks were from a written sermon delivered by Rev. Jeremiah Wright a year ago. I agree with your statement that the GOP will carefully examine all of Wright's statements. I'm not so sure Obama can ride out any storm. Not with the GOP if he wins the nomination and goes up against McCain. Surrogates will run with everything they can find, and it will paint a picture of a Barack Obama who is very much conflicted about race, not the image that he has successfully maintained until recently. The GOP knows they have a very powerful weapon against Obama, because it undermines his claim to be a uniter, and gives pause to those who support Obama because they believe he can heal the racial divisions in this country. Within the Democratic party the issue seems to have settled. But if Obama is the nominee, the GOP will go on the attack.

Your logic escapes me. All of what you say will come to pass if, and only if, someone can establish that Obama, the half-white politician, holds those same views and has espoused them on several occasions. Frankly, he's being consistent in that he doesn't disown or discredit someone simply because he doesn't agree with them. Nor does his failure to disown someone thereby imply that he co-signs ALL of their statements. It's just insane.

Like for example: Do you cosign everything President Bush has said? By your logic, even though I voted against him, I've nonetheless chosen to stay in America. Therefore, I must be judged by his words and deeds.

That's just insane right?

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You are inadvertently hilarious, with this comment:

But if Obama is the nominee, the GOP will go on the attack.

I guess if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, the GOP is just going to fold up its tent and call it a day?

LMAO!

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Given the fact that Obama's been a US Senator for about four years and was an Illinois Senator before that, I'd say it's highly likely Obama's not attended the vast majority of sermons at his church this decade. He's already explained this, evidently to most people's satisfaction.

The bottom line is, most folks seem to differentiate between what someone you know says and what you say.

At any rate, as the Pew Poll indicates, most people who are having trouble seeing past the Wright affair harbor racist views. I suspect they wouldn't have voted for him, regardless. Fox is welcome to 'em.

My prediction stands: McCain won't get more than 200 electoral votes.

Obama's been a US Senator for just over 3 years.

I'm not sure why being in the Illinois Senate would have kept him from going to church. Lessee, this year it met for 5 times in January, 10 times in February and 8 times in March. As has been noted, it's a half-time position.

Just to clarify - my last comment which as of now has not yet posted was a general vent and not directed at anyone here.
It just pizzes me off to see the small minds keep pushing this. That's all.

I commend Sen Obama for not 'throwing his pastor under...god, I hate that expression.

up until now i've really held back on accusing Greg Sargent of carrying the Clinton's water for them.

Like a tanker truck, Greg. A tanker truck.

OR...

He has faith that the majority of people are fair and reasonable and understand that his SPIRITUAL guide is not his POLITICAL guide.

If we did hold politicians responsible for things like this...

Obama is disqualified for his crazy Pastor and getting too close to questionable realtor.
Clinton is disqualified for staying with a cheating husband and stretching the truth beyond the realm of plausible.
McCain is disqualified for being a past adulterer and a serial flip-flopper.

If all three are disqualified for past 'short-comings, who are we left with?

I DEFINITELY don't want to stick with the current group of crooks, so let's get past Wright and Bosnia and select ourselves a Democratic nominee and together let's win in November.

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If all three are disqualified for past 'short-comings, who are we left with?

Do you really need to ask? Really?

Sinbad/Sinbad '08 - There's nothing short about either of them!

If he said that he'd had a research team go through 20 years of sermons, then Fox-types could demand that he produce a list of every statement he disagrees with. Or they could find some statement and demand to know why Obama didn't specifically denounce that statement. Or they'd try to take statements out of context and try to draw Obama into explaining the context, etc.

On the other hand, as things stand he's denounced and distanced himself from offensive statements by Wright in general. And that seems like a smarter way to approach it. And even McCain had the decency to say "I do know Senator Obama. He does not share those views." That's the best way to leave it.

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To vet his pastor would be an implicit legitimization of the loathsome "gotcha" politics that is played these days. So good for him. It's refreshing.

And who would ever think to "vet" their pastor, anyway? What's wrong with us, that we expect candidates to have done this?

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I've already seen additional explosive remarks from Obama's pastor on Fox News

O god noes!!!!! Not...Fox~ we're doomed, folks.

If Fox is saying it, well, it's just all over.

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AS far as I'm concerned, this: Obama may not be willing to do this, but you can bet that the Republicans are already doing it quite diligently, thank you very much.

does not bother me. If the Republicans want to run on their racist credentials, that's fine with me. It's their funeral.

Slightly modified from a post seen elsewhere:

Obama has his pastor problems, Hillary has her participation in the Evangelical, ultra conservative, cult-like secretive "Fellowship" prayer group, and John McCain has his convenient changes of opinion reguarding whether Falwell and Pat Robertson are(were) "agents of intolerence" - and whether he receives “guidance” from Hagee and Parsley.

If we want to avoid 'discomfort' with the religious background and connections of our next President, we've sure chosen the wrong bunch!! So can we leave them to work out their various routes to salvation and get back to figuring out what kind of president each would be?

He just can't quit God damn America. A sure loser.

Drop out Obama so we can have a Dem President and a Clinton economy.

I sense your disconnect with reality is increasing.

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According to you Clinton supporters, Obama's candidacy should already be dead. The claims of Obama's imminent demise due to Wright two weeks ago will stand out as especially silly for years to come.

So you'll forgive me if I assign your predictive ability the weight that it's earned.

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That's just smart. Why waste resources on something that you can't control? What would he do if found something? Nothing, other than what he's already done.

It's not like he can go back and rewrite history. That's Hillary's forte.

Greg, Republican's have Pastors that say off the wall things too.

Look at this.

More crap about Wright from TPM.

Big surprise there.

They're all doing it, jimmyhoffa2222. They won't quit until we stop rewarding them by posting to the blogs and generating all those hit counts, or until we stop watching the scandal floggers on cable Tv.

I'm getting really, really fed up.

Really fed up.

McCain will initially distance himself from such nonsense until he finds himself behind and unable to make any ground. Then he'll do like Hillary and begin to question Obama's judgement.

Well, if all the Republicans will have is "Don't vote for Obama because of things his pastor said", they'll lose by 10 points.

There are only so many times you can flog that dead horse. Besides, sooner or later, the media will dig up Hagee's and Parsley's "sermons" and roast HIM.

I'm just not concerned about this for the general.

God, this Greg guy must be a Clinton campaign surrogate.

Summary of his articles
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Cherry Pick Poll
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Cherry Pick Poll negative Obama data out of a Poll that shows Obama +10 over Clinton.
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Greg, Republican's have Pastors that say off the wall things too

O that's putting it mildly.

I can't believe this bullshit after 8 years of the religious right saying the most outrageous things publicly. This is too ridiculous for words. How many times has Pat Robertson said outrageous shit? Totally outrageous hateful shit? Falwell? Dobson? Not to mention the wholly outrageous Fred Phelps?

And everyone wants to concentrate on this man? Why?

O I think I know why -

Reverend Wright, the gift that will give through the nomination and/or election.

Obama's negatives for the past three days, the highest of the campaign:
Date

3/27/2008

Total Obama
Unfavorable: 52% HIGHEST; 46% Favorable

Total Clinton
Unfavorable: 54%; 44% Favorable


I'd dump that paster if I were him, white people (normal, not so called progressives) really don't like him. He is Jesse Jackson 1 & 2, Al Sharpton and the Detroit Mayor all into one big loser.

"It's bad enough that Barack Obama's church took sick joy in 9/11 for "racist white America" supporting "Zionists." Now we learn it also is a mouthpiece for anti-Israeli terrorists."

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=291335140632942

The gop will do it for him.

Whites, Jews, Italians, Hamas.

What is next?

This story has a bad ending.

"Pretty refreshing actually."

Ditto.

The GOP will do their usual smear machine. They would smear Mother Teresa. Maybe Democrats and the Media should refuse to play along.

I think his response is commendable.

It may also be the case during an autopsy next year, that the decision not to have completely severed connections with Wright has led to the 527 brigade stirring the waters sufficiently so as to get McCain over the top will be rued as having been naive.

It is pretty stupid to blame Obama for anything Wright says. They can go ahead and look at every tape of his sermons, it won't make any difference. All it takes it bringing up some examples of Pat Robertson or Hagee and there goes that argument.

Whatever, I'm not concerned.

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I really had no idea that Hillary and Bill Clinton attracted such racist supporters.

Y'all really make her look like shit, marginal and gotalife/person with the most repulsive gravatar ever.


Obama's negatives for the past three days, the highest of the campaign

And Hillary's negatives? Highest in seven years.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/huge_increase_in_hillarys_nega.html

Has anyone of you without sin types made sure to Vet the Pope. Well, have you?

You know what? McCain will also be vetted. He'll have to answer for every trog preacher in the Republican pantheon, and god knows there's a lot of em. You know what else? This country is sliding into a period of nasty stagflation the likes of which we haven't seen for a very long time, and the war is looking like a never-ending drain on lives and treasure. We're talking 100 years, remember? People are going to be pissed livid come November, and I do mean angry. Do you think they're going to give a fat fig about the content of Rev. Wright's sermons? Of course the right-wingers will rev up their chainsaws for a regular religio-patriotic massacre. What else have they got going for them? But all their racket and smoke won't do anything but wear on people's already frayed nerves. Sure, the Republicans will try to jack us up into a god-and-country frenzy, with a nice little undercurrent of racism into the mix just to make it feel righteous. But come election night they'll be sitting around with long faces and a shitty taste in their mouths. They'll be looking at two decades in the wilderness without even god for a friend.

(Fingers crossed!)

Anyone else imagine what a Gotalife / Marginal Player love-child would look like?

I'm definitely thinking Karl Rove.

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Yeah...covered in fromunda.

Obama is deflecting from answering the real question. Since he admits he heard the racism and hate, why attend for 20 years? And, especially today, why continue going? Obama demonstrates and incredible lack of character. I concluding that the "post-racial" mindset is that you can say anything you want, participate, and not be held accountable. Is this the new affirmative action for candidates? Is it the affirmative action acceptable to the Obama Cult and so-called progressives? And, to be honest, correct both questions to say Black candidates because I seriously doubt anyone can say a White candidate could do similar and still be acceptable. Thus, Obama is depending on getting a pass for his hate and racism BECAUSE he is Black. This is pathetic and while it might fly now, it is extremely doubtful it will work in the general election.

Um, he never admitted that. You made it up, you wanted it to be true, just like Hillary wanted to be under sniper fire to prove she's a hero.

He said he heard "controversial" things, that doesn't mean hateful.

But since you live in your own make-believe world anyway, it's probably of little relevance to you what ACTUALLY happens and what people REALLY say.

Thus, Obama is depending on getting a pass for his hate and racism BECAUSE he is Black.

Um, he's also white.

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You know...you keep posting, but most people don't really give bigots that much credence. Your posts are mere parodies of themselves. When I can guess the next 3 lines without even looking, you're nothing but a sad, little joke.

Man, I've really reached the point where your high intensity projection just makes me feel pity.

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We're talking 100 years, remember? People are going to be pissed livid come November, and I do mean angry.

Yes, and they keep this up and African Americans will turn out in even bigger numbers for the general than they did for the primary, which was unprecedented.

I'm loving that, because one always has to keep fingers crossed that people will turn out again in the general. Ok, Repugs - get nasty and racist and see what happens.

You already tried this shit with immigration and where did that go? Nowhere.

People are really really tired of the hatefulness.

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Anyone else imagine what a Gotalife / Marginal Player love-child would look like?


pass the brain bleach. blech

"Clinton was asked by a questioner in the audience here what she would tell frustrated Democrats who might consider voting for McCain in the general election out of spite.

"Please think through this decision," Clinton said, laughing and emphasizing the word "please."

"It is not a wise decision for yourself or your country."

The crowd applauded loudly. [...]

"First of all, every time you have a vigorous contest like we are having in this primary election people get intense," she continued. "You know, Sen. Obama has intense support. I have intense support."

Clinton stressed that there are "significant" differences between her and Obama, but said "those differences pale to the differences between us and Sen. McCain."

"I intend to do everything I can to make sure we have a unified Democratic party," she said. "When this contest is over and we have a nominee, we're going to close ranks, we're going to be united."

Class act. Her unity message is not a lie.

First time she's put Obama above Clinton in a long time. I commend her for saying that.

This is what Obama's been saying all along. He NEVER praised McCain.

We're in this together.

"Class act. Her unity message is not a lie."

I bet. Tomorrow we'll see her dodging sniper fire while urging supporters to vote McCain.

Stick to music, you are out of your league:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/03/joe-wilson-on-mendacity.html

What a fool believes is sometimes better than nothing. Nothing at all...

Totally off-topic, but just notice Bill giving some more love to McCain.

And, in a move that's becoming more and more common, he favorably aligned his wife with the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain.

"We now have a bipartisan majority in the U.S. Senate, bipartisan, to do something about global warming and do more buildings like this,” Clinton said, “because she and John McCain took reluctant Republicans all over the world and showed them how the planet was changing. She will work with anybody, go anywhere, do anything to move America forward.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/830276.aspx

To pose a question: what frigging trip is he talking about? Did Hillary and McCain take Inhofe to watch some drowning polar bears in the artic? Did they climb Kilimanjaro to see the receding glacier?

Umm, those numbers look made up to me. I think you meant:

Total Obama
Unfavorable: 32%; 48% Favorable

Total Clinton
Unfavorable: 48%; 37% Favorable

The historical trends are even better. Obama weathered Wright untouched so far, and this poll was taken before Bosniagate, that will further dent Hillary.


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According to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the New York senator's personal approval rating has dropped markedly, and those that hold a negative view of her have reached 48 percent — the highest in that poll since March 2001. Just 37 percent now have a positive view of Clinton — down from 45 percent two weeks ago.

The new poll comes at the end of one of the most hostile months in the Democratic presidential primary race, during which surrogates for both campaigns resigned after uttering controversial statements, and controversy swirled around Obama over past statements by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

But despite fears by some of Obama's backers that the Wright controversy would take a toll on the Illinois senator and his presidential hopes, the new poll shows his approval rating has remained virtually unchanged at 49 percent. Only 32 percent of Americans give him a negative approval rating.

beating a dead horse.

The media on Jeremiah Wright.

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it reminds me of the media on Michael Jackson on his 2005 trial.

And the MJ story that went on how long? Long enough to keep the Reverend Wright, and his Afrocentric, anti-Israel, Jesus was a Black Man, running until November or when Senator Obama answers what he heard/read from teh REV and why he remained in the Church. Also, did his children hear any anti-white, or other hateful remarks by the Good Reverend.

Reverend Wright, the gift that keeps on giving and giving. Obama, the empty suit that supports the racist preacher.

Do you honestly believe Jesus looked like the blonde, blue-eyed version you grew up with? Seriously?

On the other hand, I'm glad that Hillary has more sense than you do and urged her supporters today to NOT support McCain if (when) she doesn't get the nomination.

Does the Klan know that you post on boards that allows women-folk and teh coloreds???

One can only hope that someone of color saves your life or makes you a million dollars just to shut your hate-filled mouth for just a moment.

Sheesh.

The Democratic party, be it Hillary or Obama, are better served without you as a part of it.

We don't need your vote and support.

The platforms of both the Clinton and Obama campaigns are about INCLUSION. You're a pathetic little diversion that makes our party, your candidate of choice and the human species dumber for your participation.

I think Senator Obama has well neutralized this "controversy" by simply being true to himself, his family, his pastor, his church, his community, and not letting others put him on the defensive and not pandering or trying to appease those that will never be appeased regardless of what he does or doesn't do.

It will boomerang on those who try to use it.

Case closed.


What does "conventional political fashion" mean?

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I think it's Gregspeak for "What the Clinton's would do." :P

.. . . is willing to accept the liabilities that accompany this decision -- or is perhaps confident that he can talk his way out of them.

Or, possibly, he's just willing to credit a majority of the voters with responding like adults if he talks to them like adults.

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Totally off-topic, but just notice Bill giving some more love to McCain.

This is really pissing me off. Goddamn, Bill - what are you doing? You think the big boys will finally let you in the club if you do this? I don't think so - you are always going to be the boy from Arkansas to them.

Shit - just jump to the Repugs, get McCain to name Hillary his running mate and get it over with.

One question that the Wright controversy has raised is this: Did Obama see it coming?

Hell yes he did! I saw it coming the first time I visited the Trinity UCC website shortly after learning that he was a member.


I knew instantly what sort of church he belonged to. Very much like Cecil Williams Glide Memorial here in SF and any number of other black churches I've had the pleasure of visiting, mostly during the course of political campaigns over the years


Good Lord what a dumb question

Greg's right about one thing though. This isn't a conventional candidate.

Let em run against his middle name, his 80 year old ex-pastor and the 99% white, mainline Prot United Church of Christ

I really marvel at the head-in-the-sand approach of Obama supporters. Obama is racist and America hating by the simple fact that he attends and funds a racist and America hating church for 20 years. This is not a matter of an endorser. He and his family attend and he is indoctrinating his kis in this trash. This is a serious character issue that won't go away by any wishful thinking. Consider too his ties with Rev. Meeks who makes Rev. Wright look pretty tame. Again, this is a personal relationship that Obama has and in both cases people Obama has involved in his campaign. No White person could even begin to get away with this. That is the real message of post-racial, that we do not accept such ties and past in our family, friends, work, or candidates. That Obama does is sad and reflects his problem. That some folks want to give him a pass on this is simple, traditional affirmative action, else say that anyone's hate and racism is okay. I doubt anyone would suggest that. Or would you? Either you say that any and all racism and hate is unacceptable or not. Any form of double standard will seriously set back the party and race relations.

Maybe I'm a bit idealistic, but I am 48 and would like to think that our generation has worked hard and with some great success to remove racism from everyday life. Yes, still more to do but to accept a candidate such as Obama as much because he is Black as for any other reason is just plain wrong and counterproductive. At the end of the day, racism and hate are still racism and hate and unacceptable. If the Democratic party won't address this, I'm sure the nation at large will in November.

Well, at least you're not saying Obama's a muslim. Maybe you'll actually come up with a substantive critique sometime before the convention. Looking at your posts though, I'm not holding my breath.

Just as Clinton answered, as far as I know, he is not Muslim. Anyway, very seriously, who cares if he is or is not? Second, I would not suggest he's Muslim without some proof and then only if to illustrate he's lying. That is father is Muslim doesn't hold much weight with me. By his actions as an adult Obama's made clear he's chosen Christianity. But again, who cares?

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I would not suggest he's Muslim without some proof and then only if to illustrate he's lying.

That discriminating sensibility seems awfully off-and-on for you. A shame you don't apply it more consistently, even when it's less than convenient.

Yeah he's one of THOSE colored people

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I wonder if you realize, in the slightest, how you deal yourself out of any serious discussions with your extreme, hyperbolic statements?

Do you have the slightest idea how you sound? For that matter, do you have the slightest idea how idiotic you make the case against Obama sound?

I'm really sorry you hate him as much as you do. But I kind of suspect it actually has very little to do with the man himself. At least, that's how it comes off...

Hillary Clinton: From First Black First Lady to
Great White Hope


That about right Jethro

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Greg's right about one thing though. This isn't a conventional candidate.

Nope - ain't it nice for a big fat change?

Let em run against his middle name, his 80 year old ex-pastor and the 99% white, mainline Prot United Church of Christ

Yep.

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I actually think Obama is making a smart move here: Wright hurts him & there is nothing he can do @ this point to take away his membership in the church for 20 yrs for his detractors (see e.g., various M Weaver posts).

BUT, think of the two ways there could actually be backlash on this: (1) people will feel like they have heard this story & now it is piling on - which is how B Clinton ended up with a 60% approval rating by the time he left office

AND (2) Religious ilk of all sorts start to get uncomfortable with political campaigns & media inquiries that require in depth analysis of who knew what on which Sunday.

I think #2 is the angle that Obama is playing.

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Or, possibly, he's just willing to credit a majority of the voters with responding like adults if he talks to them like adults.

O very nice.

Yeah he does that, doesn't he? God, I'd almost forgotten what it's like.

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I am reminded of something from years ago when I see the usual and predictable repeats from marginalized player, matthew weaver-of-lies, the ice cream puff head and most comments from getalife.

What I remember is getting an obscene phone call. After the first shock of realization that I had been phoned by a heavy breather, I just burst into laughter and couldn't stop laughing as I said something like, " oh, you poor dear, you're still emotionally a fourteen year old, aren't you?" The guy slammed down the phone on my laughter. The poor soul was expecting to get his jollies from my reaction, or my slamming down the phone.......tsk, tsk.

So, seeing any of the above commenters doing their grab for reactions also makes me laugh......and bypass their hookish comments.... they remind me a lot of that pathetic caller.

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He is so not ready. I can't watch.

Yikes.

Um, you know he's beating Hillary, right?

I think Obama is making a smart move here. Wright is a liability & there's nothing he can do about it in the eyes of his detractors (see e.g., various M. Weaver posts).

BUT, there are two ways that this can backlash:

(1) people get to feel like the Rs are piling on him in the general - this is how B Clinton left office with a 60% approval rating AND/OR

(2) religious folks get uncomfortable with the 'who knew what on which Sunday' inquiry...

I think Obama is playing/banking on #2 & I think he is on to something. I'm not religious, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that ABC News is asking his campaign to provide a list of which Sundays he was in church for the past 20 years.

Look @ what Huckabee said for an indication of where evangelicals might stand on having a church put to 527 attack for months and months.

Have you noticed that none of the the Clergy that lean Republican have uttered a word against Rev. Wright. Those Pasors don't want the press coming into their churchs and taking their sermons out of context.

The people that are the most concerned with the pastor probably don't attend church at all.

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Agree.

I recall Obama saying that Wright's comments first came to his attention at the beginning of his Presidential run. So whether he did it with a dedicated research team, or has a general research department who has checked Wright out along with everything else, I really doubt that his campaign is not aware of what's out there that could hurt him.

Jeremiah Wright for Vice President!

Obama rebounds after race speech JUDY WOODRUFF: Over the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, his former minister? ANDREW KOHUT: And there was a great outpouring of negative reaction, an extraordinary amount of attention to this. Fifty-one percent said they had heard a lot about Wright's sermons; 54 percent said they had heard a lot about Obama's speech; and you get 80 percent saying they'd heard something about these things. And this is the number one campaign event that we've seen in the news interest tracking that we've been doing over the past year. JUDY WOODRUFF: Number one? ANDREW KOHUT: Number one. No story, the red telephone, none of that stuff has resonated like the Reverend Wright sermons and Obama's response. JUDY WOODRUFF: Still, as you said, half the people said they haven't heard that much about it, but over 50 percent have heard a great deal. ANDREW KOHUT: A big number in a political poll. JUDY WOODRUFF: You also asked, Andy, about Senator Obama and how he was handling this controversy. ANDREW KOHUT: Yes, I think what this survey shows is that, as a consequence of the way he's handled it, his speech, he assured his own supporters: 84 percent of them said in that chart he did an excellent or good job. But significant numbers of his opponents' supporters, 43 percent of the Clinton people said he did an excellent or good job and 33 percent of the Republicans. Judy, when was the last time we heard 33 percent of Republicans saying something good about a Democratic candidate?

sorry for the double post...

I would still like to hear BHO tell us the truth about why he won't dump Rev Wright.

It's not the economy stupid, it's the black vote.

cynic.

There are other churches he could have gone to if it was simply political.

I think he really likes the guy, for better or for worse.

Wow, that's actually refreshing: friendship that goes beyond politics.

I do not think Obama should have to answer for his pastor's political views.

Obama should simply assert that this is the man that brought him to his faith and in the sense that he is his spiritual leader he will not abandon him. Case closed.

I am of the opinion that this issue is not about race at it's core but rather this is about Israel. Wright's views on Israel are fueling this continued controversy and it is the Jewish community that is making an issue of this.

Afterall, the comments that Jesse Jackson and Farrakhan made are over 20 years old yet the Jewish community continues to rant about them despite neither one of these men having lead any type of violence against the Jewish community.

I also feel that AIPAC is behind this continued push and that the Jewish community is far more comfortable with HRC as she is bought and paid for.

Regardless of how wary folks are about Wright, he is not running for President. Obama has denounced and rejected as well as repudiated Wright's views and there is nothing more he can see.

A church is more than a pastor, it is an entire community of faith and Obama being a member there for 20 years is not merely about the pastor. Obama came to the church as a fully grown man and he obviously does not agree with Jeremiah Wright's political views. More importantly, he has the strength of character and intellect to be able to listen to views he disagrees with WITHOUT internalizing them as his own ideology. WOW. Who would have thought that Obama was an independent thinker with the intellect to process multi views? Virtually, every individual that talks about him remarks on his unique ability to engage dissenting views...so why in the world does that make his sitting in the pews and listening to Wright for 20 years any different?

Can't we give him credit for being able to discern the substance from the propaganda and the spiritual from the political? Geez

One last thing, if Hillary wants to talk about how you can choose your pastor but not your family then perhaps we need to start reminding her that folks get to choose their spouse as well.
Despite Bill being a whoremonger, NAFTApushing, GlassStengall abolishing, Welfareditching, mandatorysentencing proponent..she stayed with him so who the HELL is she to judge Obama about anything?

I don't think it's the Jewish community. I think it is the press looking for a story and Hillary's side is pushing it. She won't dare push it again herself but will try to get others to push it.

The Clergy stick together.

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Nah, it's not "the Jews". There's plenty of us Yiddin who are huge Obama fans and supporters of a peaceful state of Israel living alongside a peaceful state of Palestine, or any other damn solution they can come up with that makes everyone happy.

I don't (and lots of Jews don't) lose much sleep about people who are angry at Israel, because guess what? I'm angry about Israel too. The question is always, when one hears anger, is it anger that comes from a position of love or understanding or compassion... or is it anger that just flips things around and proclaims idiotically that Israel is bad and Palestinians are good? That claim is as silly as the claim that Israel is good and Palestinians are bad.

So what we Jewish critics of Israel (supporters of American support for Israel, and supporters of American leverage to change Israel and advance peace) hear when we hear Wright preaching about Israel and what it has done to Palestinians is (in my case) a sense that he is telling the truth... and we have a hope that his truth telling doesn't bleed over into hatred.

Any Jew who isn't weeping for what our fellow Jews are doing to the Palestinians (and to our own future) isn't paying attention to reality. Often even when we sense it, we are afraid to voice it, fearing that if we concede that, we will soon concede everything.

The great challenge of life is to find a path to the middle... and to make it possible for your opponent to join you in the middle.

Anyway, Wright doesn't worry me much. In fact this Jew spent more time than he ever has listening to a Christian sermon (the 2001 one), and I was favorably impressed. The man's got a prophetic voice. Good on him. Yasher koach.

There's a world of progressive Jews (some of us Obama supporters) who care about Israel and care no less about peace. We're not frightened by critics of Israel because their criticisms are often our criticisms. We may worry about whether their criticisms are tempered by love and compassion for the Jewish people... but we don't question the validity of the critique... which we share and agree with.
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What the Wright thing really is is FOX news and the vast (it really is!) right wing conspiracy doing everything it can to ensure that Hillary... the democrat who McCain can defeat... becomes the nominee.

Thanks Mike that is good to know.

Mort Zuckerman sounded very upset though on MSNBC today as he described Wrights remarks as being anti-Israel. He insisted that Obama has more questions to answer having sat and listended to Wright for 20 years. He sounded like he thought Obama had been indoctrinated with hate and was himself anti-Israel. As opposed to those church bulletins being Wrights political views.

On the note of the Rev Wright, If his speaking engagements continue to be cancelled, he may have to go back to Trinity, where he can vent unopposed,and he will no longer be BHO's former pastor, but his current pastor.

Wonder what BHO will say then, something like , I haven't heard him say any of those controversial things since he's been my current pastor.

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About one more day of this and I would hope that someone would ask Hillary to explain her involvement with The Family.

If anyone thinks that Wright is some kind of threat - well, The Family reveres Hitler and teaches his methods, along with their interestingly fascist form of Christianity. It's a scary damn group.

There was a long piece written about The Family - if I can find it, I will and post a link to it. It scared me to death, frankly, and if she's going to push this racial thing, then I want to push right back with her membership in The Family.


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Anyone who believes this Obama claim is naive. Obama has acknowledged he knew of Wright's comments as far back as 4/07. Presidential campaign politics is high stakes and his time would not have been so stupid. If he truly wasn't going to "vet" his pastor and he was going to stand by him, then why didn't he allow Wright to give the invocation at his announcement? Obama actions belie his statements.

Where is the radical pastor?

It is like he is hiding and Obama paid him off to stay out of the media.

I think President Clinton is right and he should come back to rant.

Saddle up and lets have an argument about his attacks on Whites, Jews, Italians and his support for Hamas.

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The Fellowship - sorry.

it's ok Tena, pretty sure it's referred as both the Fellowship and the Family...

either way, it's more creepy than Wright.

(sorry to rain on your parade gotalife - it must gall you that even with the Wright controversy, Obama is still beating Hillary)

I hope that Americans appreciate the man that Obama is and what he offers our country. Obama is a leader, a visionary and more importantly he is a man with virtue.

In choosing a President what matters is the old virtues. Our leaders need humility to seek expertise and follow experts’ advice. They need wisdom to understand what the experts say and to judge who—if anyone—has real answers that will work. They need patience to wait when answers are incomplete or premature, as they were before we invaded Iraq. They need fortitude and determination to push through unpopular solutions. Amid inevitable multiple crises, they need the self-discipline to focus on what’s most important. They need the self-restraint to avoid antagonizing internal and external opponents and making conflict worse. Most of all, they need honesty, integrity, empathy, compassion, humility, charity and mercy to attract and hold the public’s allegiance, not just during their “honeymoon” period, but for eight long years.


We have not seen leadership with virtues in so long that Americans do not recognize it what we are looking at.

Each and every time we watch Obama reflect and deliberate before he gives an answer we should note that it is his virtues at work. He is not engaging in spin. He is deliberate, forthright and honest. He gives substantative answers with compassion and empathy for others while simultaneously contemplating the long term consequence of the query that has been placed before him.

Statesmanship the likes of which we have not seen in the last 50 years.

How can we equivocate between this type of leadership and the Clintons? They are liars and cheaters and one thing we know about liars and cheaters is that they will continue to lie and cheat over and over to further their own personal ambitions about the interests of the nation, the party and all of us.


M. Weaver sez : to accept a candidate such as Obama as much because he is Black as for any other reason is just plain wrong and counterproductive.

Let me get this straight –

1) we cannot accept him because he’s black.
2) We cannot accept him because of "any other reason" such as -- he is a sitting US Senator from Illinois, a well educated man with imagination and ideas, a former legislator from the Illinois legislature, a community organizer, a lawyer.

No – we cannot accept him for any of those.

If you don’t want to vote for Obama, great! You can always vote for Mr. Stray Talk Express, the Future Warlord of the next Hundred Year War. Good luck with that.

He has no alternative to playing it this way that I can see. And it's a loser for him whichever way he tries to play it.

Here's my prediction: As the last, final, ultimate and last gasp resort, the Clinton machine will get some sort of sexual goods on Obama, and play the black bogeyman as predator card. I'll say this about Chez Clinton... they've changed everything. Everything that had been unthinkable is now thinkable.

Well Chad...what sort of "sexual goods" could they get on Obama? What are you talking about?

Or are you just making some shit up?

...black bogeyman as predator...

What have you got or why did you mention it?

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Greg Sargent says

To be clear, that's not a criticism of Obama. Presuming this is true,...

Why add this particular bit of snark? It echoes of others who damn with faint praise, or perhaps praise with faint damns. "presuming it's true he's Christian," and the like.

Presuming Sargent doesn't have a horse in this race, I'd say that this frame is really beneath him.

Feel free to hammer away at Wright, Repukes. That's a great way to alienate moderate evangelicals who already find Obama intriguing.

I am not making anything up, Einstein. I said the Clintons would. Just watch.

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