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Obama: I Wouldn't Have Stayed With Church If Wright Hadn't Retired

During an appearance on The View set to air today, Barack Obama distanced himself from Jeremiah Wright in more explicit terms than he has until now, specifically saying that he would have left the church if not for Wright's retirement.

"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said.

Late Update: Here's a YouTube of Obama's appearance:


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I love how this line of yours:

specifically saying that he would have left the church if not for Wright's retirement.

Is directly followed by this line:

"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church,"

I mean, come on. Wright is obviously a millstone around Obama's neck, he's a bit of a kook, and even though it's in Obama's best interest to distance himself from Wright, he really specifically did not say, as your headline reads, "I Wouldn't Have Stayed With Church If Wright Wasn't Retiring." There were, like, qualifications after it, and like, stuff.

You can do better.

Oh please! He's suddenly seen the light. He used the good reverend and now he is an impediment to his higher goals. He is so typical of all politicians. Someone come to his defense and tell me how he offers a new way. I say, he like Hillary and John McCain, all the same. No Paul Wellstone in the bunch. This behavior of his is despicable and common. Who ever they are throw them overboard if they become a problem. Where is his vaunted integrity now? On the trash heap of expediency.

I really think Obama ought to just let this thing die, or at least not say much more about it. The more he says, the more material he gives his opponents to root through and try to find that gold nugget to use in smears. With attention starting to focus away from Obama, he needn't encourage the spotlight to return to him on this matter.

Your title is misleading. It sounds like Obama means exactly what he says, that if Wright was still the pastor, AND he refused to acknowledge the offense his words caused, Obama would leave. That strikes me as an important distinction, because when I read your title I thought "well damn, I wish he wouldn't cave in like that," but when I read the actual quote, I thought "BFD."

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Lame. This is a total double standard. Lets see Hillary account for everything Billy Graham has ever said, and McCain explain everything Hage has ever said.

Until then, the media is being totally unfair with this.

(Oh, I see it's only wrong when a pastor is a crazy liberal, it's normal and expected when a pastor is a crazy conservative)

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One thing the Clintons did--brilliantly and successfully--is to cow the press into laying off her and jumping on everything that comes up about Obama. Hillary flat-out LIES about getting shot at by snipers, and it barely gets two day's worth of press. Obama's PREACHER says something offensive (and it isn't really offensive at all if you hear it in context) and it goes on for weeks.

The press is so determined to prove that they're not being unfairly deferential to Obama that they're going out of their way to smear him.

Nice goin' Hillary. You still lost, but nice goin'.

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I'd say Wright's acknowledgment of errors should also be in the headline.

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I want to add my objection to the headline for this article. It is false. Often people read or retain only what the headline says. It is possible to write intriguing headlines without, well -- lying.

Meh, much ado about nothing I'm afraid.

Of course he'll say this, Obama is learning quick: In order to be able to be elected in this country, you have to parse.

He should have said this at first though. It sounds bad saying it now, and I think that's what his critics will pick up on.

But if anyone thinks this is even an issue anymore, they are crazy.

Obama is STILL more popular than Hillary, he is still favored to win the nomination and Superdelegates are still picking him over Hillary in larger numbers.

So, yes, as Raralex says: BFD.

Uh oh, is Condoleezza Rice race-baiting?

Someone get Hillary and Sean Hannity on the phone, stat!

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This doesn't happen often, but in this case I disagree with Obama. I've listened to many of Wright's sermons on YouTube, and I think he's a great preacher, a great American and a good, compassionate Christian. Obama should be using his surrogates to get the word out about Wright. If Americans knew him better, they wouldn't be able to hold the phony cartoon image of him that the Clintons and the Republicans have been pushing.

Over the long term, I think Obama would be better off NOT tossing Wright under the bus.

You know, I grew up a catholic on the north side of Chicago. During much of that time we had, as our lead priest, a man who would say rather off the wall things at times. Things like "In America we had the world's first concentration camps, we just call them indian reservations". There were other things, but on whole he was a really great man.
I no more believed that concentration camp/reservation line than Barack beleives that the the US government invented AIDS to commit genocide. What people have to understand is that I, like Barack, can look at the entire make up of what our religious leaders and elders have to offer: community, inspiration and rebukes for our communities and larger society and at the same time set aside the anger and divisiveness that sometimes come with them.
I threw in early for Barack because unlike many people in this country, those of us in the Chicago area have had a longer look at him. In a little less than ten years or so, I've come to see him as a decent, reasonable, honorable man who I believe is going to tackle the problems outside the depressing Rove/Clinton template of politics. I'm not voting for the man to be a saint, I just want a new way forward, and he's the first viable candidate in a long time to give me hope.

Now I really am confused. I've been reading the hundreds of comments from Obama supporters explaining that they had reviewed Wright's comments in full context, and that in turns out the guy hasn't said anything at all that wasn't 100% true. He's a freakin' American hero for gosh sake! These supporters said they'd LOVE to attend a church where Wright preaches. No problem whatsoever. The truth has been revealed. Amen.

But now here's Obama (that's right, the Perfect One himself) saying that Wright has said offensive things, and that even he (the Perfect One) would have left the church had Wright not retired. I guess when you run for president you get the wax cleaned out of your ears and you can suddenly hear what the minister is hollering about.

My guess is that seismographs all over the world are registering small tremors this morning as the Obama supporters flip-flop en masse.

Relax, Jodyphile. No flip-flopping necessary. Most Obama supporters (at least this one) thought this whole issue was bogus. We still think it's bogus.

And Obama has maintained the retirement point consistently, going back to prior to the South Carolina. See page 2 of this Beliefnet article. So there was no reason for him to get his knickers in a twist about leaving a church whose controversial pastor would no longer be there. All he's saying here is that if he had not been retiring, he might reconsider attending. This is also something Reverend Wright commented on back in April '07 in the NY Times.

For me he said a lot of things that while true, partially true or even plausibly true were said in a way I consider offensive. It isn't so much what he said as how he chose to say it.

For example someone could burn a flag before each sermon and I don't care how much truth there is in the sermon I would still be offended. (Of course I would defend anyone's right to burn the flag, I just find it offensive.)

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One day someone is gonna say "All politicians are the same" and I'm gonna snap. Hillary and McCain and Obama are all just alike? Puh-leez. By that reasoning, Al Gore and Dick Cheney are all but indistinguishable. But there's no need for me to reductio; you've already reached ad absurdum.

I'm with everyone else who thinks the headline is misleading.

You are still running that pair of pictures which seems chosen to emphasize the similarity of the two men. As if Obama = Wright, which, of course, is not true.

Obamam should just STFU on the wright issue. Idiot. Why can't he just say, "I believe I have addressed the issue of my pastor to the best of my ability and would like to focus only on the more important issues we face. Next question, please" Let the fuc..ing journos eat that.

Look at Hillary stonewalling legit questions about her tax returns and other personal stuff.

The quote is complicated. But I think Obama is saying that just having Wright retire would not be enough for him to stay in the church. The reason he is still in the church is that Wright himself apologized for the inappropriate things he said. I don't know to what extent Wright did apologize, but this statement indicates that he did.

Greg, your title and description distort what Obama actually said.

Please fix.

This is Eric's post. Please fix your comment. Or do you just cut and paste that one?

Thanks, Billy. I misspoke.

Eric, your title and description distort what Obama said. Please fix.

As for the rest of you comment, Billy, say what?

I agree that the headline is misleading -- but not that much. This is the first time in a long time that BHO has said something I wish he hadn't.

Agree with the popular sentiment re: the misleading headline.

Hell, Obama doesn't even say he would have left the church, he said he "wouldn't have felt comfortable staying." That doesn't automatically translate into "I would have left." I suspect before simply abandoned his church, he'd have at least had a discussion with Wright and some of the congregation expressing his views. Headline just sets the wrong tone for what was actually said.

Still, it's hard to beleive that after all this time, Obama has just recently reached a point where he was uncomfortable. The statement kinda reeks of politician-speak. Yea, I realize he's a politician and he's got to do that from time to time, but as an Obama supporter, this statement rubs me the wrong way. I wonder how the folks at his church will take it.

Who cares how they take it? What are they going to do? Vote for Clinton?

I agree Billy.

Obama can afford to do this.

It might even pick up a few white votes, who knows?

Regardless if BO supports Wright or not it will be of little help to him in the general election. He won't win! Hil's people will not vote for him no more that his people will vote for Hil. Unfortunately, the Repubs win. You can say all you want but it's just you all alone on election day and you are your only witness.

Really, Hillary Clinton wrote a book about Billy Graham and titled it after one of his sermons? I can't seem to find that book on Amazon.com but would life to read it. Please tell us more about Hillary's devotion to Billy Graham

I'm sure Obama cares how they took it (at least I would hope he does), for personal reasons more than political ones. Not everything is about getting elected and "who else are they gonna vote for?"

Me? I'm just kinda curious.

I've got one tiny request.

Can we stop using that tiresome "under the bus" expression? Too much to expect the other blogs to stop it, but we're erudite here - we can think of other metaphors.

I'm with you 100%. No more "under the bus". Let's use "tossed him off the dogsled". Or whatever.

Obama's PREACHER says something offensive (and it isn't really offensive at all if you hear it in context)...

Yeah. Right. Obama just needs to let voters know that they wouldn't be offended by it if they "heard it in context"? That's a real winning message.

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He didn't just say "if Wright didn't retire", he basically said "if Wright didn't retire and didn't apologize".

You better believe that if Wright remained pastor and refused to offer a Falwell/Robertson type apology for his inflammatory comments, Obama would be gone. That's the truth. But I don't like the headline characterization that Obama would leave the church no matter what if Wright was still there.

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He didn't just say "if Wright didn't retire", he basically said "if Wright didn't retire and didn't apologize".

You better believe that if Wright remained pastor and refused to offer a Falwell/Robertson type apology for his inflammatory comments, Obama would be gone. That's the truth. But I don't like the headline characterization that Obama would leave the church no matter what if Wright was still there.

I think the headline is fine.

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How's this, guys:

"Obama frames his relationship with his church and his pastor in yet another ambiguous fashion, giving his intellectual, erudite followers still more grist for defending him, characterizing his remarks in additional shades of nuance or explaining how it doesn't matter"

Perfect response richard wadsack.

Perhaps the comment is too sophisticated for most people. It contains a lot of clauses, after all. Here's what he said in simpler terms:

*IF* Obama had known about the incendiary comments Wright made
*AND* Wright didn't subsequently retire
*AND* Wright refused to apologize for his remarks
*THEN* Obama would feel enough discomfort to leave the church.

=If(A=B=C,D)

I wonder when the MSM is going to talk about GARLIC NOSES--Wright is not only bigoted (anti-Italian, Anti-Jewish, anti-whites as a whole) but stupid as well. Google "garlic noses." There are a huge number of hits. In one of them Wright was succinctly described as a nut case.

Count me with those that acknowledge the Title does not match the quote.

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