Obama: I "Profoundly Disagree" With Pastor Over "God Damn America" Comments

In an interview with a Pittsburgh newspaper, Obama personally addresses the revelations that Obama's pastor said "God damn America":

Q: I don't know if you've seen it, but it's all over the wire today (from an ABC News story), a statement that your pastor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side) made in a sermon in 2003 that instead of singing "God Bless America," black people should sing a song essentially saying "God Damn America."

A: I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements.

Q: What about this particular statement?

A: Obviously, I disagree with that. Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor. There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe.

The fuller context of Wright's quote is here. In a 2003 sermon, Wright said:

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

The Wright story has been all over the cable nets since yesterday. As Ben Smith notes, Obama is refusing "to throw him overboard, as both campaigns have been doing at a furious pace with other supporters."

The Obama campaign didn't immediately respond when asked whether Wright would be keeping his largely honorary post on the campaign's African American Religious Leadership Committee.


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Obama cannot help what this man says. Wake up media and voters. Can you honestly say you agree with every word a close friend has to voice? Would you give up your mother, father, brother, sister or best friend because HE/SHE said these words? Of course not. You still love or care for them – they have been there for you for years past.

Condemning Obama for caring for this man, even though the man says things that are politically incorrect or just plain wrong – doesn’t mean Obama has to automatically agree with him.

Can we PLEASE discuss health care, the energy crisis and the economy/jobs? Please?

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Nope. From here on, it seems the only time we'll get to hear about the issues is if there's scandal or intrigue attached (such as NAFTA and the whole Canada thing). The two candidates have stated similar views on most issues so now the game is trying to disprove the sincerity of each other's statements.

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Exactly. This game of guilt-by-association has gotten out of hand in this campaign. And that goes for when they play the game with McCain as well. The candidates shouldn't be forced to apologize for the comments of his pastor or others who support him, especially when they were said years ago.

The media has been on a slippery slope ever since Russert brought up Farrakhan in that debate. I don't recall any other election in which the media has spent so much time talking about what the candidate's supporters have said instead of what the candidates themselves have said.

In a sense this is going from the frying pan to the fire. People might think, "OK, so he is not a Muslim, he is a Christian, but his pastor hates America?"

There is no easy out for Obama, and saying he "profoundly disagrees" may not be enough for many Americans.

One thing for sure, he cannot let it continue to boil over a hot stove. Look, the press is giving McCain a pass on his own crazy pastor who calls the Catholic Church the "Great Whore," but last time I looked, McCain was lily-white, and standards of "acceptable behavior" are not the same for blacks.

Obama, more than anyone else in the public view today, realizes that blacks have to do more than whites to achieve the same level of acceptance. Therefore he cannot play this the same way McCain is doing with Hagee, which is benign tolerance.

And there is no way he is going to debate in Philly with this hanging in the air because it will come up anyway, so he needs to have a good answer by then.

You know, I remember back in NH he had a run-in with O'Reilly and the latter asked Obama to come on his show. This might be the right time for Obama to accept that invitation and air it out with O'Reilly one-on-one. That might be interesting.

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I know I'm betraying my race by letting the cat out the bag, but I have confession to make:

ALL BLACK PEOPLE THINK ALIKE. Tens of millions of Black people share ONE brain and ONE heart. We are completely incapable of thinking for ourselves. Every other race has the capacity to disagree with a person yet still respect and love them EXCEPT for Black people. One of the genetic characteristics of a Black person is that anytime ONE Black person speaks it instantly gets transmitted in the hearts and minds of Blacks everywhere.

And guess what else....millions of us had a secret meeting and decided to elect Rev. Wright as SPEAKER FOR THE BLACK race! We decided that since it is completely impossible for us to ever disagree with anything ever spoken from another Black person then we might as well make him our spokesperson.

So you know what...it is perfectly REASONABLE to believe that Obama wholeheartedly beleives everything Wright Says, because well...they are both Black so they MUST agree!

I mean EVERYONE knows that Black people all hate America, just like all Black people are good dancers and singers, all Black men can rap and basketball.

Barack is so lucky to be Black, he doesn't have to even utter a word, because anytime any Black person speaks it will automatically be attributed to him. What a lucky guy he is!

You realize that now that you've confirmed what Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly have suspected all along, they will both be reading it on the air tonight, don't you?

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lol...wow, the fact that anyone would take my comment seriously and not as satirical is pretty remarkable and a statement in and of itself.

Satire is a lost art in a depoliticized nation where people refer to the events of a month ago as if they had ocurred in another epoch. I like to think my senses are sharp enough to spot a satirical intent, but even I didn't get your gist until a paragraph in.

That's not a reflection on your effort here; merely a sign that no one is immune from the numbing effects of MSM exposure.

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This is so, so painful.

It's really not about that. Not this time.

I've been after McCain about this wingnut pastor who endorsed him, John Hagee. Two white guys. Others have gone after McCain for some other wingut pastor who is apparently his "spiritual advisor."

And justifiably so.

This is about HIS PASTOR. For 20 YEARS. The man whose phrase formed the basis for Obama's book ("Audacity of Hoping" I think was Wright's phrase.) Not about the stereotype of "all Black people think(ing) alike." This has nothing to do with Wright "speaking for the Black race" or Blacks "all agreeing" or any of the stereotypes you throw against the wall to see what sticks.

And it's not about "controversial" opinions that someone can just "disagree" with. It's about "God damn America." On video.

Nope. Obama and Wright could both be white, and this would still be a problem. Imagine, oh, finding out that John Edwards's hypothetical white pastor had said the same thing, if Edwards had remained a viable candidate. Can you sit there and tell me with a straight face the media would NOT have been over that like flies on sh*t?

I'm not discounting for a microsecond that the stereotypes you describe exist, and are used routinely not only against Black folks but against their non-black allies. But they don't apply here. Not this time.

And BTW, I'm fine with Wright saying "Hillary ain't never been called a n*gger". That's not racism; that's drawing attention to the racism in American society. I consider that fair game.

But I don't see how you wiggle out of "God damn America" unless you can show that, at the time, seven years ago, you rejected them, you discussed your rejection with your spiritual mentor, and you reject them now. At minimum.

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You know what...I would argue with you, but there is no intellectual way of explaining what it is like to be a Black person in Americam, and frankly I'm pretty damn sure that nobody is really interested. You are going to believe what you're going to believe and I'm going to know what I know. I understand that you have to rationalize things to make yourself feel better about it, so good for you.

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Have you ever watched these clips.

Religious preachers say many things about God and America. Playing a game of video "gotcha" in Houses of Worship is not where we want to go in American politics.

You've seen a truncated clip on MSNBC, they don't have time to show the full clip, but notice how they always show the congregants.

What disturbs me is that no one is talking about the wholesale hit job being done on this Chicago Congregation by the Right Wing smear machine.

Those advancing the Wright videos are attacking people in their church where they pray and find fellowship and faith. I don't think, ultimately, that kind of attack will resonate well with Americans.

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If Senator Obama is nominated, do you really, really, reeeeealy believe that the McCain people are going to ignore this issue?

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Also, I e-mailed Shaun Casey, the religious advisor for Barack Obama, and here was his response to me:

I am confident that the Senator and his campaign are aware of the potential problems with some of Rev. Wright's comments. Sen. Obama will continue to respond to them as the election continues to unfold. He will have to address this question many times in coming days and I believe he will do so effectively.

I'm sure raek will be here. Could you please let us know what your religion is at the beginning of your rant? Thanks in advance.

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This is getting ridiculous.

Are we going to go through what every candidate's supporter has ever said to find out if they ever said anything offensive?

This is a random comment the media has discovered from almost 5 years ago. Why should he have to be thrown overboard for that when Ferraro didn't get thrown overboard for what she said recently? And while what he said may not please some people, it's hardly offensive like Ferraro's comment was.

Obama's response is 100% right.

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Every candidate's supporter? Please, this is not the same thing. Obama chose this church and has been a member and a contributer for 20 years. He married the Obamas and baptized their children. Wright is retired from the church, but he has a role in Obama's campaign. The title of Obama's book was taken from one of Wright's sermons. Wright is poison. He preaches hatred of America, blames America for 9/11 - five days after the attack occurred, and blames white America for creating and spreading the AIDS virus. Obama has stated that he searched for a church that reflected his views - and this is what he found?

Obama can denounce and reject statements by this guy all he wants - but he will never be able to fully distance himself from him. Not after a 20-year relationship.

The more Wright stuff I read the more I agree with the guy. Of course, I'm sure 99% of the American public has a different perspective.

Me too.

Myself being part of the 1%.

But of course, we're not supposed to discuss the substance of Rev. Wright's remark. We're only supposed to assume it's inherently wrong and debate the degree to which it reflects Sen. Obama's views . . . as far as we know.

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Count me in that 1%, too.
Funny, too, how Rev. Wright, substantively and stylistically, fits right in with an Elijah, an Isaiah, and--dare I say it--a Jesus.
Those folks were rabble-rousers if ever there was one. Elijah wasn't exactly Ahab's synchophant, and Jesus ran up into the Temple engaged in behaviour that he "should have been arrested for"... which in fact, he was... and executed.
Preachers who preach with incendiary language to shock congregants out of their complacency is hardly new. And hardly news-worthy, least not to those of us who have actually read the Bible (and its tough reading, that there book).

That is the funny part, while I know most of his statements will be viewed as politically incorrect, some of them are just the truth. If you are trying to paint Obamma as a "black guy" that is a little pissed off by inequality, is that a bad thing? It may hurt his polling, but it certainly doesn't hurt his likability to people who have their eyes open. I am a white guy that is pissed off with inequality, and I am not affraid to elect someone who has a friend that puts his views bluntly.
Hey, at least he is not trying to discredit someones accomplishments because of their skin color. That would be discusting. Let me say.. God Damn anyone who would do that, and the people who would think that is ok.

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I absolutely agree, and that's one of the most aggravating things about TV punditry: instead of putting anything into context or debating the virtues of a particular position (such as, here, Wright's outrage over the fact that African Americans are locked up to an incredibly disproportionate degree), our TV pundits act as the behavior police, castigating anything that deviates even slightly from a strictly defined norm.

I hear ya.

And I always found something very similar highly ironic in some quarters of our society. Namely, I speak of so-called Southern Charm. This self-righteous sense of pride in refined manners coming from some of the most overtly racist people in the country.

Likewise, the media generally does a terrible, shameful job covering racial issues, more intent on scandalizing anything they perceive as less than polite.

So why, Mr. White Guy, do you think it's okay for a half-black guy with a loving mother and grandparents who took care of him and put in prep school from age 10 so he managed to make it up into Harvard and become a State and US Senator and now live in a nice house and sell lots of books and have a nice smart wife and kids and run for President, why the hell should he be bitter? Even his longed-after father was a yuppie from Kenya (as yuppie as they were in 1961). Do you see black people and break into tears and run up and hug them and say, "Oh I feel your pain, you must be having such a terrible life"??? I mean yes, there are blacks who do have terrible lives, but there are many more blacks who work decent jobs (high paid or low paid) who go to work, take their vacations, enjoy their families and have normal and may I say boring fairly uneventful suburban-type lives.

omg...

how sad is that !

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"But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe."

I think that if Obama wants to keep Wright on board, he needs to explain what he believes. He may have already done this (I can think of the MLK Day speech), but it needs to be done in this particular context. What are Wright's attributes that aren't being seen in these clips? Why is he willing to go on a limb for the guy? I suspect that there are valid answers to these questions, but Obama needs to be very clear about those answers right now.

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The good reverend sounded a little pissed in that sermon, but it is not like he is on Obama's campaign team.

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Actually, he sort of is. He's on Obama's African-American Leadership Council, a sort of a defunct advisory committee..

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Well then Obama should throw him under the bus and be done with it.

You can't blame Obama for something Wright said 5 years ago. With Ferraro it was happening in real time and she was talking about Obama. Wright was railing against the injustices done to African Americans in the past. Given that Wright is a black man who grew up in the era of the civil rights struggle and segregation and crap like that I think he has ample reason to be a bit pissed off.

But Wright wasn't saying these things as part of Obama's campaign. Hell, these comments are 5 years old.

Where does "profoundly disagree" rank on the Reject-AND-Denounce Scale? I say it's a 5.3.

What happened with Obama's wife's comments that she is, for the first time in her adult life, proud of America?
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1074519
I was offended by that remark.

Cherry pick? Come on.
Geraldine Ferraro's remarks were cherry picked too then.
And Power's monster remark.

Obama should not be defending this guy.

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You have an odd definition of "cherry-picking" then.

How about this -- let's look into the Arkansas churches the Clintons attended over the years. How much do you want to bet we could turn up reports of hateful things being said from the pulpit, even if the Clintons weren't in attendance on those days?

If you look at the religious figures almost anyone in politics associates themselves with, you'll find controversial content. It's not fair to impute that to the politician directly, unless you want to say that our politicians should all eschew any sort of religious connection (yet of course a politician who says he never goes to church will have a harder time getting elected).

Take the Reverend Billy Graham, adviser and pastor to many presidents. He has said the following:

"Is AIDS a judgment of God? I could not say for sure, but I think so." (1993)

In the 1970s, he is on tape agreeing with Nixon that Jews have a "stranglehold" on the media, and saying of his Jewish friends, "they swarm around me and are friendly to me, [but] they don't know how I really feel about what the're doing to this country."

Do these things mean that all our presidents from Carter through Bush should be credited with these beliefs, or should have had absolutely nothing to do with the man despite his other wisdom and accomplishments in life?

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You got offended. What do you want to make you feel better, a hug or a cookie?

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You got offended. What do you want to make you feel better, a hug or a cookie?

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Actually, Ferraro repeated her "affirmative action" bs on three occasions within a ten-day period. It wasn't a line or two taken out of context...it was a clear message that she intended to get out. She then exacerbated it with her aggressive non-apology. Two compare the two borders on Mark-Penn-reality.

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Obama should not be defending this guy.

Why is that, precisely? Rev. Wright is making an theological argument, not one without precedent in the Bible, about what he perceives as unjust treatment by the state and by the majority population. Read again what ABC News writes:

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
Nevermind that these were the sorts of arguments posed by various Biblical prophets pre- and post-Babylon (complete with the explicit message that the Captivity was a result of God's wrath upon Israel for its heathen godless ways*), and by Jesus, Himself (activities and statements for which he was executed... by the state). Perhaps you disagree with the message, then. That's fine. Grapple with that: say that you either don't believe in that God, or that the God that you do believe in doesn't care about that which Wright complains about... meet him on the theological battlefield.

But, you don't get to say "Denounce! Reject!" just because some preacher dares to challenge privilege in this country.

(And yes, I understand the unspoken context: Barack Obama might be a Blacker-than-we-thought Man who is going to lead the Negroes in some sort of wide-spread "Get Back at the White Man" movement as soon as he gets into the White House... call out the National Gaurd, and such.)

* and, I apologize her if you don't know what I'm talking about, but you're just going to have to spend a year or so reading the Bible and grappling with its message.

And, . . . . what's so wrong about a pastor saying the quote???? There is an argument that its a true statement. You could disagree with it, but there is an argument for it.

BFD.

I'd be more interested in the donors to the clintons' foundations than this.

Obama, the respectful disagreer.

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RunawayHorses and MichaelA- that makes 3 of us. And I have no problem with anything Michelle Obama has said either. Leave the brain-dead more-patriotic-than-thou horsecrap for the right wing, where it belongs.

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Exactly. Between their indignation at a black man angry about his race's treatment throughout American history, and their horror over Obama's causal drug use as a teenager, I'm really wondering what these people are doing reading and commenting on liberal websites.

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It's no different than Jerry Falwell blaming gays for 9/11 or Katrina or whatever it was that crazy man said. It doesn't mean that Wright's statements are acceptable, but it's hardly something to get worked up about since Obama clearly doesn't agree with him.

Personally, I don't buy the notion that God has any particular opinion on the United States, but putting that aside... how is this statement substantially different from the many, many, many statements by rightwing fundamentalists? How many times have we heard comments about how God is punishing or will punish America for her sins with earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes and terrorist attacks? They come from rightwing Christianity on a regular basis.

Absolutely, for all the people getting bent out of shape about some of these comments, I would suggest that you watch a televangilist on sunday morning for a few minutes. Basically, its no different.

Obviously, the purpose is to gain political points and that's it. It really is pathetic. The same people would be bitching that he didn't go to church and now they're bitching because he does.

It's the archie bunker strategy. Pathetic.

I like obama's comeback. He shouldn't "disavow" the guy. That's not right and shows weakness. Just make the comeback that he did and leave it at that.

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God is far too concerned with blessing both sides of every sporting event and war to worry about America.

It's different in that it's on video playing 24-7 on the news.

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It's also different because its a scary black man.

But I'm sure this is one of the ways that Obama is "lucky" because of his race.

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and it's different because the people who said 'gay people caused katrina' are absurd. The minister was suggesting that god should damn america for its sins - not saying that he already had.

You may not like that he asked but they're completely different. one is a request, one is believing you know the will of god.

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I agree Phoebe. This is common RELIGIOUS exhortation

It's is pretty standard Old testament Christian creed here. Remember God was a wrathful god when the people did not live up to his moral tenets. That was the entire point of the new testament and the whole 40 years in the wilderness thing and the 10 Commandments so folks would know what they had to do to not incur God's wrath.

You had to earn god's forgiveness, he was a God of punishment and furor reigning over all.

Then you get the New Testament where Jesus dies for all of our sins and so now the only covenant you need is to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved and welcomed into God's Kingdom.

Obviously, Wright is coming from the OLD testament and then telling his congregates that as Christians they have been saved through their belief in Jesus Christ as their savior.

The POLITICAL problem here is that George Bush and the rest of the self-righteous powermongerers in America, repeatedly end their pronouncements about America taking on a foreign enemy or pre-emptively striking for democracy with the phrase.
'God Bless America'

Wright blew that hypocrisy to smithereens with examples of a America's own citizens not being the recipient of the very Democracy, Americas's leaders implore God to Bless America for as they set about raping and blundering global resources of other countries under the auspices of bringing them democracy.

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I have a lot of friends who are republicans and spout the most incredible political nonsense you have ever heard...but then again, they are dear, kind, funny people and amazing parents...so I'll keep them as friends, thank you.

My family still makes awful racist comments at Chinese restaurants or about blacks...it is horrible and embarrassing. But I'll keep my Granny, thank you very much. I might even try to catch her up to the 21st century.

Obama needs to keep making it clear that he disagrees with this specific remark or clip, and maybe erase any official campaign connection (if there is any?) but he has to be allowed to have the friends he wants.

Unfortunately, it is a nation of sound bytes, and many will not bother to look past that one fragment of a sermon and will read into it whatever they wish...and project onto Obama whatever they wish.

I'm glad I am not judged by the words of my family, friends and pastor. What a life that would be.

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Nice post EmmaP--I agree with you. But I don't think most people in the world, or the US can tolerate such bemused, calm ambiguity...

"The fuller context of Wright's quote is here. In a 2003 sermon, Wright said:"

Does anyone else see the problem in trying to crucify Barack Obama over something his pastor said 5 years ago?

Jeez. Obama distanced himself from those comments back in January.

As Hillary fans have asked about the Ferraro incident, how many times does a candidate have to say that that a supporter doesn't represent their views?

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What's genuinely worrying, Jaysin, is that it's the same people here who are defending Obama because he said he disagreed with his Pastor, that were calling Hillary racist even though she said very early on that she disagreed with Ferraro's comments.
This irrationality is truly disturbing - it's exactly the same mentally that Bush has.

But the difference of what I'm asking is that Obama's Pastor made the comment 5 years ago. Why is nobody asking him his views today?

For example, has anyone bothered to talk to the new Pastor at Obama's church?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/obamas-next-pas.html

Yeah, this guy really looks like a wide-eyed revolutionary anti-american too.

The media is going after 5 year old Pastor Wright's comments because it fits a particular narrative... That Obama is a manchurian candidate.

As another poster has said, where is the MSM outrage for Rev. Hagee's comments and his connection to McCain?

Where is the outrage for Pat Roberston's comments and his connection to George Bush?

There IS a double-standard here.

Further, there's no correlation between this and G. Ferraro's comments because Ms. Ferraro made her comments within the last few days.

Pastor Wright 5 years ago.

Ms. Ferraro is an active and vocal part of Clinton's campaign team.

Pastor Wright might have an honorary part in the campaign, but he's not front and center.

I agree that Obama will have to do something about this connection. I just think it's ridiculous, that's all.

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No, he didn't just make these comments 5 years ago. He also made even more inflammatory ant-Hillary comments in January of this year. It seems reasonable to think he's been making these kinds of comments for the last 20 years. This isn't about Obama's campaign, it's about the guide to Obama's "moral compass", as Obama has previously described him.
And more than that, it's about how the Republicans will use this against him.

This is ALL part of the broader meme that Obama is un-American. It fits in with the no-flag lapel, the no hand over his heart, his wife's comment about being proud of the US for the first time, this bit and then all lies about him being a Muslim and not being sworn in on the bible, blah, blah, blah....but it's eating away at the fringes and Clinton wants this to work NOW, not when McCain uses it. Obama need to define what being American is in order for all this to go away....I feel he has, in his 2004 speach, "there are no blue states or red states, there is only the united states." If I had to offer a solution, it would be that defending the constitution, the oath of all high offices, is the litmus test of Americanism. You can be anybody, so long as you honor and protect the meaning and intent of the document that made America the utterly unique country we are privileged to live in. Something like that.

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Dobson,

I agree it is a broader theme about Americanism, patriotism and the historical significance of racism in this country at it's core. After all, who can challenge the patriotism of African Americans in terms of military service to this country and even having Crispus Attucks being one of the first to die in the Revolutionary War.
The notion that mainstream American can challenge any blacks on the basis of patriotism given the history of America's treatment of blacks is absurd on it's face.

It is also a part of a pattern of racemongering from FOX and is it a coincidence that Ferraro is a paid contributor to FOX and that she is the latest in a string of surrogates to carry the race baiting card for the Clintons. Do we actually beleive that the Clintons did not have these tapes from the very beginning and were just waiting for an optimum time to use them? Let's look at the time line, the last debate brought up Farrakhan and he had to be denounced AND rejected. Next we have Bill Clinton go on the Rush Limbaugh show the day of the TX primary and pander to the rightwing in what was evidently a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' move. That is followed up with Ferraro's remarks and we building the racial polarization to a feverish pitch with Geraldine continuing to throw red meat to all the Archie Bunkers in America still.

Fox news then throws Wrights sermons out to really keep the blaze going and reduce America once again to their most base and crass levels of racism and hatemongering.

That is what this is hatemongering and the new millenium southern strategy.

That is what Barack needs to articulate and he needs to do it with a string of "CHristian' statements where religion has been used to divide us for centuries. Like what Falwell and Roberts said about Katrina and Iraq. Obama needs to use the power of words to talk about how religion has the power of words and was used to justify slavery, sexism, racism and used to justify division and discord. He needs to say that is the OLD testament but he does not believe in faith being used to sow division and that he believes in the Christian faith where we help one another, love one another and stand strong together in the face of trials, injustices and hate and STAND UP against it.

He needs to talk about the power of words to change that tide and how he represents a change for America and that he understands the power of words can be used to tear us down, divide us, engender hate but he uses his for empowerment, unity and hope to uplife and inspire Americans to live up to the highest ideals. Because he knows the power of words whether it is faith or our politics it is a powerful force that has been used by leaders for centuries to promote wars, and inhumanity when not done used in good faith.


That is how Obama needs to bring this full circle, by embracing his faith and all that is good about those values and NOT divisiveness.

He needs to kill this racism and hatemongering with one of his speechs that underscore the power of words to change the history of mankind and nations.

That way he hits Hillary HARD.

This is about leadership and I am sure that Obama will rise to the occasion and not become distracted by calls to distance himself from Wright. That is not the core itself, here.

This is about America's moment to move into the 21st century and not get sucked back down into the quagmire of hate that is destroying our country and our people.

Hope is the power to change all that.

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"Geraldine Ferraro's remarks were cherry picked too then.
And Power's monster remark."

Ferraro went on every TV news show imaginable to repeat her offensive remarks ad nauseum (and truly ad nauseum)

Wright made these statements years ago. So what is the deal with them "suddenly" coming up, even though Obama has already addressed them previously.

It seems like the timing is clearly cherrrypicking of past stuff to throw out at opportune times by the Clinton team. The MSM and Nets are in the tank for Clinton and will play whatever the daily Clinton spin is.

I would like to ask the question about this -- why now??

Is it to deflect from Ferraro?

Who is the source for this story -- I would bet Penn is behind this.


Oh, the HRC campaign must be to blame. After all the GOP has so much honor they'd never stoop to this sort of stuff!

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Of course they aren't. But why would they do it not (unless they want Hillary because they rightfully believe she is the weaker opponent in the general)?

Why would they bother to get into this when they can just sit back and enjoy?

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I meant: "why would they do it now?"

This is stupid. Dump the guy. Has anyone heard the crap he was saying five days after 9-11? It was just as bad as Falwell's tirade about "teh gay!!1!" The media isn't going to let this go. I wish they'd hold McCain's feet to the fire about Hagee and Rod Parsley, but they won't. So just drop the guy.

Christian communities like the one Obama describes belonging to don't "drop the guy." There are standards in such covenant relationships that supersede politics. If Obama chooses to be faithful to his local community in that manner, I will sympathize. Do you disown a parent for his or her unfortunate opinions or remarks? This person clearly means a lot to Obama one way or another. I would respect his telling the media and, for that matter, the voters that this is not a public, political issue.

And if people want to oppose him for his private commitments, so be it. They probably weren't for him in the first place.

I have no problem with the responses that Obama has already given in respect to Pastor Wright, but I doubt they go far enough for large portions of the population. Most of Wright's stuff is debatable, but the 9-11 comments aren't, and the Republicans will absolutely kill Obama with them in the fall. If Obama's church, and if Wright himself, can't grasp the need for Obama to publicly part with Wright, then they clearly aren't serious about seeing him elected. This is why politics and religion don't mix. The fact that candidates have spiritual advisers to begin with is absurd.

On the positive side, Marc Ambinder has already called McCain out on Hagee, Parsley and Falwell, so maybe I'm wrong about there being a double standard.

The WSJ has a great article on this. The 527s can't wait and I'll be happy to donate if the Dems make phony Obama their POTUS candidate.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

The Rev's tape will be played over and over by 527s especially if Obama wins the Democratic nomination. The Reverend is not just a surrogate, but rather someone who is referenced in both Obama books (to include the title of his second), married the Senator and Mrs. Obama, baptized their children whom may have attended and listened to the hate speech. Did Obama tell his kids pay no attention to this man?


20+ years of the "Living in the US of KKK A" is a bit too long for most thinking Americans to accept. Maybe the empty suit can explain. Why did Senator Obama remain in the Church? This is not a crazy uncle but his spiritual adviser.

What's your religion?

Roman Catholic.

Me too.

So I assume that you adhere to all the church's teachings and live your life based on everything that comes from the pulpit. Right?

Of course not. Having said that, I understand why I may not agree with many things the Catholic Church (or Christianity) preaches and choose to worship where I wish.

Unlike the good Senator, I have not given over $20K (one time gift) to the Rev's Church, written two books prising the Church/Pastor. In fact, if I was ever at a speech where someone was preaching "God Damn America," I'd walk out flipping the universal greeting.

Seems Sen. Obama and family like and agree with this racist Reverend. When the 527 ads come out, I'm one of the rich (not quite) whites that will be happy to contribute as if not Hillary, McCain is fine. I survived Reagan (never voted for him) and somehow didn't do too bad. McCain is not that far right and a good person, a hothead with a short fuse, and an American Hero. Go Hillary.

I was going to do a long post, but obviously it would be a waste of time.

One point though, either you're cheap in not donating to the church or you are donating to the church which actively promotes criminalizing abortion.

Bottom line, you're just a hypocrite.

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What is your basis for calling Wright racist?

Speaking against the power structure in America that has institutionalized racism on the basis of the color of ones skin is NOT racism.

It is not hatemongering.

Nothing Wright said was racist. His being a man of color speaking truth to power does not make him racist in anyway.

How about you post a racist comment by Wright?

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Look, you are Roman Catholic too. In my youth I used to go to a Parish in which the priest was the closest to a saint that I've ever seen. I still remember how important it was for me the advice and the wisdom of this guy. However, he was not shy about talking politics in a sermon, and he was totally clueless about how to present a comment about politics. Everybody cringed when he was starting to talk politics because we knew that he was going to piss someone in the audience, many times not for the message itself but for how it was presented. If I was a politician, should I stopped going to his Church? Surely not. The point is that you do not choose your pastor, your priest, your Rabbi for reasons that relate to politics only, but because that person is a guide in your overall life. I think Obama is right in distancing himself from the comments that a lot of people will find outrageous but not from the person. If he just "dump" the guy, it could be good campaign politics, but dissapointing as a person.

Me, too. The only time I've ever walked out of a Mass was when the priest said a woman (any woman) in an abusive relationship was at fault. But, although I send my daughter to parochial school (when she started OH still taught ID and the WV RC school taught evolution) I profoundly disagree with several of the catholic church's teachings. That, however, is between me and the Pope.

Let's not get too hot-headed lest it melts.

"Let's not get too hot-headed lest it melts."

That's really extra funny in conjunction with the ice-cream-cone-head avatar that appeared above your post after you made it.

I'm Catholic too and I made a comment on another post earlier about the Wright situation. Basically, I find much in the church that I disagree with (i.e. woman's right to choose, contraception) and hear nutty guys like Bill Donohue who absolutely does not represent what I believe, but I remain in the church that I grew up in.

Either way, there is no comparison to the Ferraro situation other than media interest.

As far as your 527 comment, you've inspired me to donate to MoveOn.org for their ad competition. I invite you to too.

Check this out:

http://www.obamain30seconds.org/

Well, in the case of 3 strikes and US drug laws and the incarceration of blacks and the heavy growth in prison populations, it's actually hard for a thinking person to disagree with Wright. We built a mess and still don't think we need a solution, kind of like our Surge that some people think is working despite all evidence and carnage.

Unfortunately, the Rev. Wright seems to have a lot of problems in other areas, and I have trouble figuring out how you can just say, "oh yeah, my preacher who I listen to every week for spiritual guidance is a bit loony, but don't worry..." Is that "words don't matter"? Theoretically, this is a guy who informs Obama, whereas a campaign official is a subservient position. (Granted Ferraro could be both if Hillary takes her advice or opinions for something).

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if you have to reject and denounce a supporter anytime they say or do something you dont agree with Obama'd best reject and denounce me - since i've called Hillary far worse than a 'monster'...

is that all they have?

He's taking basically the same line on Wright that McCain is taking on Hagee. I disagree with these statements, but I'm not going to denounce the man.

Can he get away with holding the line there? Forget for a moment that most of us here feel Hagee's views are crazy, and Wright's are an understandable (if overstated) response to a history of oppression. Let's just think about the politics of it for a sec.

Well, McCain is getting away with not denouncing Hagee. He's going to lose some Catholic votes over it, but I don't think it's a campaign-killer. Same deal, I think, with Wright.

Barack needs to be very clear about why he disagrees with Wright's statements. But I think he's going to be okay on this.

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I think the difference (b/t Robertson, et al & Wright) is that one of Obama's main points is to try to move past this type of divisiveness. Furthermore, Obama is unfamiliar to many voters and they may wonder what is the substance of Obama's relationship with this guy & how it impacts Obama's message. The question in voters' heads may be: is Obama telling the truth?

I am not saying that he has to cut ties with the guy. I am just saying that leaving it out there without explaining these elements to people is harmful to the man's campaign.

Wright will have to withdraw from the Obama campaign.
Like Ferraro the longer he waits the more exposure his racial grievance sermons will receive. Not to mention his blaming America for 9-11.
I happen to agree with most of what Wright says. I suspect Barak does and I just know that Michele does.
But that is not the issue. Political correctness is a double bladed knife.
Obama has known of Wright's beliefs and still named him to a position with his campaign. That shows a serious lapse in judgement and it reminds me of his embrace of gay hating black ministers in SC. Queers are a small enough and still widely enough despised minority that BHO was given a pass on that one but Wright is fucking with middle America.

I do find it amusing that ObaFans, like HRCfans before, are suddenly deciding that a candidate should not be held responsible for what their official supporters and campaign members say.
Now just like Gerry they must learn that in the court of public opinion truth is not an absolute defense against charges of libel.

The next five weeks are going to be quite unpleasant.