Lalo -

You are a daily reminder why I support Obama.

You edited his response, then called him a prick. This, my friend, is why you Hillary folks have lost 14 of the last 16 states: you are not smart AND you are too emotionally invested in a fatally failed candidate. Now I need to run . . there is sniper fire coming in to my windows and me I and the wife need to commando crawl across the floor to go to bed.

Yeah he is a condescending prick and the Obamanoids garf it up like manna from heaven. They say you misquoted him because he put it in third person but only an IDIOT (e.g. Omananoid) would think he was not agreeing with that sentiment. If he was not agreeing with it, why did he even say it? Give me a break you Obamafreaks are frightening. If this is what the Democratic Party is going to become I want no part of it.

I figured the attempts to push this in the worst possible light wouldn't take long (and it looks like headline writers are fishing for some clicks by encouraging this). As if Obama had announced a press conference to give Clinton his permission to keep running. But if we feel the need to laser in on the word "can." Okay, then: "May" = is allowed to, "can" = is able to. And then there's context, too:

"My attitude is Sen. Clinton can run as long as she wants. Her name's on the ballot, and she is a fierce and formidable competitor, and she obviously believes that she would make the best nominee and the best president. She should be able to compete, and her supporters should be able to support her for as long as they are willing or able."

Let me get this straight.

(A) If Obama lends his voice to the growing chorus of prominent Democratic voices calling for Hillary to stop kneecapping her party's chanches in November then he's smug and undemocratic.

(B) If Obama concedes that Hillary has every right to continue campaigning, praises her tenacity and intelligence, and claims that she wouldn't be running if she didn't believe she was the best person for the job, then he's a condescending prick?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous (and self-entitled) you sound? What. would. you. have. him. do? Sheesh.

I think Hillary won the condescension award when she said Obama would make a good vice president.

I do have a question for Senator Clinton supporters. She has said that Michigan and Florida must be seated, that voters in those states MUST have their votes count.

That's certainly magnanimous and noble of her, in spite of the fact that I heard her say, when questioned by a called on a radio station, prior to those elections, why she hadn't removed her name from the ballot, as the other candidates had, "It doesn't matter, the primaries in Michigan and Florida are not going to count, that's been agreed to by the DNC, and all of the candidates, so it doesn't matter if my name is still on the ballot or not"...

So Senator Clinton argues that we cannot simply ignore the votes of the citizens of those two states, that their voices MUST be heard!

She then argues that, once we've "heard" the voices of the good citizens of Michigan and Florida, that there would be nothing wrong if the Super Delegates come in, at the 11th hour, and over-ride the votes of ALL Democrats, if the Super Delegates basically made the past 18 months of debates, primaries, caucuses... made them all just go away.... poof! And suddenly, HRC is the Democratic nominee for President.

So if I understand her and her supporters arguments correctly, while it would be undemocratic and WRONG to ignore the voters of Michigan and Florida, it would NOT be wrong to then ignore ALL the voters throughout the country.

Do I have this correct?

He was answering a freaking direct question.

And he didn't say: "If it were me, and I was so far behind with no chance to catch up, I would have given up".

That would have been tit-for-tat. and true, he would have been asked to quit if he'd been in the same position.

But he chose to stay above the fray and acknowledge her right to do what she thinks is appropriate.

That's called class.

You Hillbots are delusional and filled with hate. No matter what Obama says or does you guys can't stand it. I was looking at Hillaryis44.org during one of the debates and people on there were talking about how they wanted to claw their eyes out just from watching him, how they wanted to smack him, etc. (One commenter wrote "Tim Russet is so ugly" which I actually found kind of funny).

The reason that sounds condescending is because you guys are primed to interpret everything he says in the worst possible light. Also, you're crazy.

And of course he's entitled. He's won the primary. It's just that Hillary is as delusional as her supporters.

Nice. Arrogant condescending. As if she needs his permission or opinion. And he can forget about distancing himself from the surrogates who made the suggestion. They effing endorsed him.

This falls right into the "Hillary you're likable enough" category.

Arrogance and entitlement.

Yeah, so I'm going to repost JoeLisboa's response to this from higher up the page:

Let me get this straight.

(A) If Obama lends his voice to the growing chorus of prominent Democratic voices calling for Hillary to stop kneecapping her party's chanches in November then he's smug and undemocratic.

(B) If Obama concedes that Hillary has every right to continue campaigning, praises her tenacity and intelligence, and claims that she wouldn't be running if she didn't believe she was the best person for the job, then he's a condescending prick?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous (and self-entitled) you sound? What. would. you. have. him. do? Sheesh.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Shoot from the hip, find fault in any and everything said, and hope it makes you feel better about your candidate.

You Clinton supporters are really getting to the point where you sound far, far worse than anything you could accuse the Obama supporters of being.

I guess I missed the part about Hillary needing Obama's permission to stay in the race.

When I was in 1st Grade (wow that was a long time ago..) and I would ask if I could go to the bathroom, the teacher would look at me and say "I dunno, can you?" and turn around and continue teaching.

I had to ask "MAY I go to the bathroom."

Now, Obama is a lawyer. Do you think the distinction between "can" and "may" is lost upon him? Which word did he use?

Permission is not what he is giving, nor is it blessing or any of those things. He's saying, I'm not going to call for you to exit the race. That's all. Stop trying to find fault where there is none.

Yes! I'm sure Obama bundled his money with a member of the Weather Underground and "funneled" it to a far-left professor in New York!

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!

Is that all you got ? Well, Good luck with that, you pathetic little losers.

geez, dembilic, is it not enough embarrassment to support Clinton?

Do you have to post fringe lunatic rantings as well?

If you pay attention, right behind you will find the following emails:

1)100% guarentee magic pill for your penis enlargement
2) Nigerian widow looking for your help for money transfer.
3)A 19 yr. old girl in your local area hot and ready for you.

Keep believing every email you read- Soon you'll have great sex with a 19 yr old in your luxury Penthouse bedroom while McCain takes the oath of office.

Good luck and keep us posted.

You've been bringing this kind of SCUM from rightwing shitholes for sometime now.

Save yourself and wait for the breaking news.

dembilic

Libel. Again. How many times did you post this today, weaselman

Am I supposed to post the email I got saying that Hillary & Maggie Williams are lovers and that before she killed Vince Foster, she and her were lovers?

Take it on the arches, creep.

Actually, I support Obama and fully realize his weaknesses and his vulnerabilities. To suggest that we are all kool-aid drinkers is really unfair and inaccurate. I understand that he's a politician. And, I mean, obviously a person running for president is arrogant. Jesus H on a stick. I want an arrogant president!

I agree with you that Obama may not have been the Dems strongest candidate this year. But he's better than HRC, and they're the only two in the running, so my money, time, and effort is behind him all the way. Also, I think in time many Clinton supporters will realize that Obama is actually a very strong candidate. Cynically one could say that he has branded himself well. Who cares? He's got a strong shot at the White House in '08, which means at least 4 years of a strong Democratic majority.

Democrats in '08!

His personal charisma and his excellent rhetoric are a part of why he is winning (and will win in November). But it isn't the main reason.

Obama's campaign has put together the best 50-state ground game I've ever seen. That's why he is winning state after state and that's why he will beat McCain. No amount of advertising or endorsements can beat that.

Ah yes, thank you for referencing a Fox News story that has already been debunked for the crap journalism that it was. Anyone can post a page on Obama's site. He has a myspace style section that is used to build connections between supporters, which was what this was. It has long since been deleted by the campaign.

Next time try to find something that actually has a basis in reality. It only makes him look better when the only things you can attack him on are invented stories.

It has been getting worse lately, my advice is roll up your sleeves and hurl some snark. Oh, wait you just did! ; )

Compared to most blogs, TPM is a haven of sanity. Both sides, Obama and Clinton supporters here are at least able to carry on a conversation. The vitriol, such as it is, is no where near the level of HuffPo or some other sites, and even the NY Times Caucus. So yes, it is not always a tea party here, but what is going on is merely a reflection of the level of discord between the two campaigns, and it is pointless to try to find fault at this stage of the game. It is just out there, and to avoid it, the only solution is to pick up a good long novel and tune out, and come back after the convention.
I think what Obama said also reflects a degree of resignation on his part, and shows a certain maturity. Clinton supporters whine about his choice of words, but imagine what they would be saying if he actually asked Hillary to drop out.

I can understand their frustration, but what they cannot do is put the onus back on their candidate for running a poor campaign. They need a villain, and of course, Obama is the best available scapegoat for Hillary's less than stellar game.