Erik - you just misquoted Obama, again.'

That's not what he said. Quote the whole thing - he said "some people think it's like a movie that's gone on too long."

Thanks for the Clinton spin Eric.

That line was something that the ABC reporter took out of context and people like you repeated without checking on it.

This is the first time Obama's given his opinion on this topic. To suggest otherwise is dishonest.

Latest numbers from the Texas conventions:

Obama: 59.60%

Clinton 40.40%

Yes, well, in a front page WaPo article tomorrow, Clinton says she'll likely take this to the convention.

This is part of her "negotiation strategy" about seating FL & MI. Like her NAFTA re-negotiation strategy. Threaten to pull out (or threaten to go to the convention) and they'll fold.

This is pathetic. Why the hell is this site supposed to be any different than MSM? Get your shit together Kleefield. You misquoted Obama and now you reference your misquote? You can't possible have missed your misquote.

Eric- Never complianed before.

But please go back to JNR 101. This could never qualify for reporting in the real world.
You've one sentence, exactly 12 words- to make it a front page headline.

Didn't he say anything at all, not a word before or after the quote you provide?

Try harder please.

I agree, that was the kind of word twisting that would make the MSM proud. Take it out of context to make it sound like he was saying the exact opposite of what he really said. Come on, Eric, TPM is so much better than that!

It's so funny watching Eric & Greg act like they're unbiased.

A carefully chosen adjective here or adverb there, half a quote, etc. and it all changes the tone of the storyline.

Funny, when they're reporting on Obama's HUGE lead, recovering COMPLETELY (and then some) from the Wright controversy, their posts sound sterile as can be.

Hmmmm.

If you cut out the bullshit, here's what Obama is saying:

Hey Hillary, lately you've been the best asset to my campaign I could've ever imagined. I go on vacation for three days, you fly completely off the rails, my poll numbers go up, I feel refreshed, my coffers are spilling over, I'm having a great time in PA - let's keep this gravy train going! And thanks a million!!!

billysunday - LOL!

That was ever so well said.

Frightening. Fear. Well, at least you're no longer in denial. I guess you can call that progress.

Holy effing cow. I cannot believe the amount of whining here. Seriously. Hillary is a great candidate, people, she doesn't need a pity party. She's a grown woman running for president, she can handle it. Me thinky that you all doth protest way too much. Arrogant? Condescending? Entitlement?

Please, please, please, I beg of you - stop pulling the victim card out every single day for every single story. It's starting to reach the point of diminishing returns. My suggestion - save it for when you need it, because it getting. Really. Old.

Clinton supporters are the last one to talk about condescension when their candidate tells the American public that she prefers McCain as Commander in Chief over her fellow Democrat Obama. Now that is really condescension.

Yeah he is a condescending prick and the Obamanoids garf it up like manna from heaven.

Kleefeld thank you for the unintended consequences- Stepped on the graves and wokeup the ghosts of Hillary at the stroke of midnight.

Good Luck!!! Cheers!!!LOL!!!

suntzu--it is "condescending" for Clinton to prefer McCain to Obama? maybe she really does. maybe--like many of us out here--she doesn't think he's ready.

SCMadden: you may very well be right that Obama's better against McCain than Clinton. so I guess I should amend my post to read "Congratulations Democrats, for picking two utterly long-shot candidates who were both more interested in their own careers and 'being the first [Af-Amer/woman]' than the good of country and will lead us once again to defeat."

I'm pretty disgusted with my party overall. personally, I'm waiting for Mike Gravel to announce his Libertarian run for the presidency. he may not be as charismatic as the Chosen One, or as intelligent as Mrs. Policy Wonk, but hey, at least we'll get marijuana decriminalized! ;-)

Before we have a discussion about "different" perhaps you should define what that word means to you.

Latest numbers from the Texas conventions:

Obama: 59.60%

Clinton 40.40%

Amazing isn't it? The conventions overturned "{{{THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE}}}" as expressed by 3 million people voting in the Texas primary.

Ain't caucuses wunnerful for minimizing those pesky voters?

I can't for another of his"whitey just don't get it" speeches to explain this one.

Billy: if "in time" Clintonistas "will realize that Obama is actually a very strong candidate," the nastiness is going to have to stop. SOON. on all sides. I think by November we'll all kiss and make up. (Democrats are all about singing Kumbayah and holding hands--they don't WANT to be aggressive, which is interestingly enough one more reason they haven't been good at winning the White House recently.)

but this has turned into a very personal race and Clinton supporters feel attacked and condescended to.

do you want Hillary to bow out? then Obama has to "take care" of her in some way. for instance, she would make a great secretary of Defense in an Obama adminstration (let's face it she'd be the most conservative person in it.) so she can save face. I hope we're not at the point in this thing that not only do we want to defeat the "opponent," we want to see him or her destroyed and HUMILIATED.

Maybe Obama should allow his surrogates to come right out and tell Clinton, to stop the nonsense.

Hillary is acting like a teenager, testing the limits of the adults and thumbing her nose at them. If the Democratic party gets tough with her, it will signal the remaining voters that Hillary is persona no grata.

Sure, there's a risk involved, but it's time for some leadership. Hillary is Gaslighting Obama, the voters and the party and she needs to be sent to her room.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Here's the NBPP screenshot:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6250/nbppex7.jpg

Had enough?

"Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, earned about $200,000 on the board of a Long Island subprime lender that charged prepayment penalties -- a practice that Clinton, a critic of the subprime industry, now seeks to eliminate."

Instead of bickering, can anyone enlighten me?

Why is Sen. Clinton remaining in the race if everyone says she has no chance? Surely she can see that too. So, either "everyone" is wrong or she's persevering with a purpose. What is that purpose? Is she pulling in more cash for the general election? Is she trying to kneecap Obama so she can run in '12? (That assumes a country remains by then.) Is she fulfilling a promise to big time donors? Is she taking one for the team?

Second, the nomination race ends the minute Gore, Edwards, Dean and, say, Webb get together and announce their support for Obama. If they wanted it to end, they (party elders) could make it happen. Today.

Third, all the fuss about Obama (the eventual nominee) being hurt by her continuation in the race isn't worthwhile. Better a Democrat smear a Democrat than to open it to the Republican slime machine. Sure, they're ratcheting it up, but as long as Clinton is the one throwing mud, the Democrats control the agenda. And they get all the free publicity of Obama being above it all so that, for instance, the Wright "controversy" is old news and not a Republican inspired momentum stopper.

Anyway, stop bickering and watch what is happening. Maybe someone can enlighten me because calling Obama a "condescending prick" is ignorant and worthless.

Remember the last seven years.

Oh juicy, I thought that was gonna be something unsourced too.

good for you hillary - stay in that race. don't be dictated to by the empty suit.

thank god when obama loses, that will be the last we'll see of him. after all, michelle obama has said "this is the only time we are doing this!" nice - offer hope and change with an asterisk. act now or never? baa.

This has all been par for the course - exactly what should be expected from a Clinton and Clintonistas.

There is a generational and stylistic shift in national politics taking place, and Obama is the only national politician positioned to lead it. This clearly upsets and embitters some of the Clinton supporters who feel, well, entitled to our unquestioning support.

Sorry guys. It is not patronizing to suggest someone gracefully exit stage left when there is no legal and practical way for your candidate to prevail. You are entitled to stick it out, but do so with some class and passion, not whining and resentment.

Ok, she can run as long as she wants, but its a waste of time and money and the clintons are ripping the party apart with their nonsense. If they just ran cleanly and honestly, which is impossible for the clintons, then it would be fine for her to keep going. Nonetheless, she barely beats Gore in a three way race and he isn't even actively running. What does that tell you?

Check out these numbers:

The national telephone survey of 423 Likely Democratic Primary Voters shows Obama attracting 42% support while Clinton earns 26% and Gore is the top choice for 23%.

The survey also found that 41% believe that Obama would be the strongest general election candidate against John McCain. Twenty-six percent (26%) say that Gore would be the strongest candidate while 23% named Clinton.

From the opposite perspective, 36% said Clinton would be the weakest general election candidate. Twenty-nine percent (29%) named Gore as the weakest and just 19% said that description applies to Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080328/pl_rasmussen/gorenotanswer20080328;_ylt=AoXUlhgXWD4Z.XPrF8b6kL2s0NUE

Ouch. Time to hang it up clintons. Take a long vacation until after november at least. Please.

Obama forgot to add, "As far as I know" to the end of his statement.

Seriously, You Clintonistas are calling Obama arrogant?

Does anyone remember her openly speculating that Obama could be HER VP, all while being behind in every count?

I can't for another of his"whitey just don't get it" speeches to explain this on

I hope you know that comments like that is what turned me completely against the Clintons.

I personally am really sick of the racist crap the Clinton people keep putting in comments. I never thought I'd see liberals say those kinds of things.

I suppose they are just trolls, but I've had it with this shit. Knock it off..

From the WaPo article: Asked whether Obama could win in November, Clinton deflected the question. "I'm saying I have a better chance," she said. "You cannot as a Democrat win the White House without a very big women's vote. What I believe is that women will turn out for me."

Well, at least she is honest about playing the gender card.

Now if only Obama is allowed to say, "What I believe is that African-Americans will turn out for me," without being called racist.

I figure a tremendous amount of debt, both for the campaign and in promises. She needs to (somewhat paradoxically) keep running in order to raise enough money to pay off outstanding debts accrued. It's paradoxical, of course, because she's thereby accruing more debts, but it seems like some of the smaller vendors she has no intention of ever paying.

It also seems she and Bill have given tremendous amounts of promises to people in give-backs, Lincoln bedroom stays, and favorable contracts, for their falling in line and helping them out. They needed to get the White House to start paying out, but now that it looks increasingly unlikely, they need to at least show they did absolutely everything in their power to do so. Part of it is denial, part of it is pragmatism.

Bravo. I think we (supporters of Hillary and Barack) must stop this nastiness, and try to be civil and respectful of each other, regardless of how deeply we may disagree.

I thing we agree that America is on the wrong track, and John McCain is not the guy to get us back in the right direction. We are Americans first, aren't we? Don't we all want what is best for this country first and foremost? Let's try and remember that before we continue to tear each other down. I am so sick of the attacks from both sides. This is sandbox stuff. We do ourselves a great disservice with this kind of discourse, making it more and more likely we will end up with a Pres. McCain, and what I believe would be four more years of the Iraq War, economic doldrums, and no progress on the great issues of our time.

Sad.

And why shouldn't Obama encourage Mrs. Clinton to stay in the race?

The longer she's in it, the worse she does

Gallup Track
Obama 52%
Clinton 42%

If she stays until the convention, her approval may be lower than Bush's

That's a standard Obama scam technique: use a quote to make a point so you can later deny it was your position.

Hillary Rambo Clinton will fight it all the way. There is is no quit in the Sniper defying Heroine of Tuzla. Long after President Obama has been sworn in to office, Hillary Rambo Clinton will still be fighting to have only her delegates seated at the 2008 convention.

Hillary Rambo Clinton did not endure five long years of Water Boarding torture from Bosnian Snipers at the Tuzla Hilton in order to stop fighting now. Sinbad and Sheryl Crow may falter but never Hillary Rambo Clinton, the Heroine of Tuzla.

There is also a very possible scenario here - come the end of the primaries, Obama might be at a point were the remaining superdelegates can push him over the top no matter whether Michigan and Florida count.

If Obama is in the 1900 pledged delegate lead, it would take a litte over 300 of the remaining pledged delegates to give him the victory no matter which states are considered. It would basically take almost 100% agreement by the remaining superdelegates but it is a possibility.

Either way, I get the feeling that once the primaries are done Obama is going to turn his full attention on McCain. He'll keep working the superdelegates behind closed doors, but his campaining and public persona will be all about McCain. Most of thew democratic establishment will probably join him as well. I imagine a fair number of her supporters will leave her too.

Clinton can feel free to keep pushing and pushing, but she and her supporters are fooling themselves if they believe that there is any chance that the Superdelegates or the credentials committee will overturn the rule of the people. Especially since the credentials committee is run by the delegates and Obama will have more delegates at that point than she will.

So, she can stay in as long as she wants. That doesn't oblige Obama or anyone else to give her any relevance.

At this point she can run, but she cannot hide (her metaphorically ugly political face from the masses, that is).

your comment is devoid of any significant meaning. Seems like you need to consult with a cognitive therapist. How is that for personal insult. LOL

Sounds like Obama is angling for a cabinet position in the Hillary administration.

No, it's clear, the Obama campaign was the most clever and elaborate attempt at winning the Secretary of Transportation post ever devised.

Won over by the fact that Honolulu's airport was named for Norm Mineta, the Clinton and Bush Transportation Secretary, Obama doubtless concocted two years of Obamania to get his scheming hands on this low-level Cabinet post.

Thank God Hillary is winning, so he can finally realize this dream. I'm only glad some of my fellow posters see through his callow ploys.

I have given Hillary ample time to convince me she's the best candidate for the job - but I don't see it. I see a professional triangulator, a fantastic policy "wonk", a horrible resource manager, highly intelligent and diligent marketeer, but frankly she really just isn't a very good politician nor a good tactician, and strategically she's a disaster (not to mention all the historical baqggage) - why would anyone want a president like that?

Enough with the insults, everyone gets a TIME OUT! NOW!

Look, I support Obama. I think Hillary would be an inferior President than him. You might think the opposite. That said, BOTH would be lightyears ahead of another Republican administration, even Saint McCain. Get perspective. Get a grip. We're all democrats... except for the trolls, and just let them stew in their own anti-social behavior and misogeny.

Yes we (Democrats) can!

I think one of the most appealing things about Obama is that he seems quite thoughtful on the issues, and that he tries to give a logical insightful answer. I can understand how many people find this to be refreshing and like a new kind of political dialogue. In fact when Obama does this he appears to be much more intelligent than other candidates, like McCain, Hillary and Edwards.
However most problems in real life cannot be worked out this way, they require experience. For example you could sit down with two people, one certified in Windows XP and another person pointing out how Windows should work logically. The fact is Windows, most software and most organizations in real life are built up as a result of trial and error, and counter intuitive in the way they work. All logic gets you is not knowing how to work software.
There was a great story about this called "In the land of the blind". A man got shipwrecked IIRC and wandered into a country where everyone was blind from birth. He then thought like the saying, "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" but it ended up more like the saying "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is stoned to death".
In the story the man found that the blind people could do things better than him, because while they could not see they were so familiar with their town that he could not do as well as them.
So while Obama appears to be very intelligent and talented I doubt these traits would be useful in real politics. Experience seems to be what counts in getting things done, less talented people have been running things for a long time and are unlikely to change because Obama has better ideas.
Obama seems to be getting a pass on his inexperience because of his talent, and ability to frame issues in a thoughtful way. Clinton appeared similar to this, but Bill was also a wonk and read about most issues, and really drew from this enormous knowledge as well. I see no evidence Obama is any more curious about getting this experience than Dubya was.
Obama supporters don't seem to be able to see this lack of substance in what he says, and what he has done. He may be like Bill Clinton in that he empathises with people (I feel your pain). However understanding how people feel doesn't mean you can run a government.