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Obama Giving Crucial Speech On Racial Issues This Morning

Barack Obama is set to give his big speech on racial issues this morning, at 10:15 a.m. ET at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.

The New York Times reports that Obama was still personally working on the speech Monday night, and his wife Michelle quickly changed her schedule in order to accompany him for the speech.

Some aides were reportedly against giving the speech, but Obama himself has apparently realized he has to address some of the issues surrounding racial polarization, especially in light of the Jeremiah Wright controversies and his membership in Wright's church.

Expect a lot of comparisons between this address and JFK's speech about the Catholic Church — and some questions about whether this will be any more successful than Mitt Romney's JFK speech about Mormonism.


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Amazing that in 2008, a black man has to address issues of race.

Only in America.

Amazing yes...but not the way you are suggesting. Barack is at the precipice of becoming the first African American to be nominated by his party for the presidency. And he has a tremendously good chance of winning in November! He is giving this speech today because of past associations and questions about race and religion that have arisen because of this. Not too dissimilar to JFK's problem in '60. Maybe not fair, but it is what it is.

Given that we are, geologically speaking, barely an eye flicker away from our unenlightened, cave-dwelling past, I think this is pretty spectacular. Pretty..."amazing!"

And no it is not only in America. There are worse places...and better!

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How nice is it to have a candidate who actually writes his own speeches?

It's unbelievable that just because he's black, he's held to a higher standard for his pastor than John McCain and Hillary Clinton are.

Since everyone else is, then he has to also. He'll do fine.

I just did a couple quick searches on the NYTimes web site and found the following. 0 results mentioning John McCain and Rod Parsley, 3 results mentioning John McCain and John Hagee, AND, 36 articles mentioning Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright. Then I checked the Washington Post site and found: 17 results for McCain and Hagee; 2 results for Parsley and McCain; AND 59 results for Wright and Obama.

Why the heavier media scrutiny for the candidate black-church relationship than the candidate white-church relationship?

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Great points, and stuff that should be addressed by the media.

If the media got tough on Barack after Clinton complained, certainly they will recognize their own bias... right?

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Did you also know that Hillary Clinton is not the only presidential candidate who hasn't made their tax returns public? John McCain hasn't either, but that's just not newsworthy. Go figure.

Use some common sense. While McCain accepted the endorsement of Hagee and was roundly criticized for it, Obama was a member of reverend Wright's Church and praised him as one of his spiritual influences. The closer the connection, the closer scrutiny it gets and deservedly so.

Wright is different b/c he is Obama's personal mentor, the man who brought him to Christianity, the man Obama chose to perform his wedding, the man who baptized his children, the man who titled his book.

You don't get why that is different? I do.

koulflo: "Why the heavier media scrutiny for the candidate black-church relationship than the candidate white-church relationship?"

There may be all sorts of wrong reasons, but one good and legitimate reason is that everybody knows he's the most likely person to become the next president of the U.S., and you want to give such a person as thorough a review as you can before he takes office.

I wish him luck- if it's a good a speech as he's capable of, it could do a lot of good even outside the context of the campaign.

I hope some people are starting to realize just what a minefield Mr. "Lucky to be who he is" actually has to navigate. If he were white he'd have had the nomination sewed up long since.

I wish him luck- if it's a good a speech as he's capable of, it could do a lot of good even outside the context of the campaign.

I hope some people are starting to realize just what a minefield Mr. "Lucky to be who he is" actually has to navigate. If he were white he'd have had the nomination sewed up long since.

+1 on both thoughts.

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We need to do a better job of keeping alive the issue of the disparate treatment of McCain and Obama regarding religious "endorsements." I'm so angry that Obama has to make a speech about Wright, even after disavowing his comments many times, while McCain is STILL skating by without similar scrutiny of his on-stage appearance with a pastor who:
1) Calls the Catholic Church the great whore;
2) Says Jews deserve their suffering (the old "Christ killer meme); and
3) Actively encourages armed conflict to bring about Armageddon.

Every time there is a story or report on Obama and Wright somebody should be bringing up McCain and Hagee. I'm afraid that us D's are going to fall into our old methods of trying to now debate and defend the particulars of Obama's relationship with Wright. Forget that, that's not working. The McCain-Hagee relationship needs to be continually emphasized at every opportunity. Similar, continual pressure has worked on things like the atty. scandal. It can work here too.

For example, I'm not tech-savvy enough, but somebody should put together a Youtube clip of Hagee's sermons/comments juxtaposed against the pictures and videos of he and McCain arm in arm. I can't be the first one to have thought of that, can I?

Finally, to end on a positive note, every time Obama speaks publicly, I think his candidacy grows stronger. So maybe this address can be a good thing.

You think the issue might be that appearing with a pastor is not the same as being a member of his church for 20 years & only distancing yourself when running for President? Gawd the oBAAAAAAAAHma sheep want to call racisim on everything. It's pathetic. Even the media is trying to apologize for this calling it within the "tradition" of black churches. BS - if it is racist and ignorant for a white pastor, then it is racist and ignorant for a black pastor.

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I think that accepting the endorsement of a bigot like McCain did is worse than having one for your pastor. McCain is ascoiating himself with this person for political purposes as part of his campaign. Sen Obama's campaign is about making sure that Rev Wright's generation is the last one that produces Reverneds like him. A candidates political allis should be judged much more harshly than his personal friends.

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Right on, Larry! :-)

The thing about Hagee is, in addition to the usual bigotry of religion (those people follow the Great Whore, those others killed Christ, etc.), is that he's a stone cold insane freak who'd like a president to invade Iran and touch off the Apocalypse.

If we were to compare McCain/Hagee with Obama/Wright, it's obvious which would come closer to wrecking America further.

Also, McCain's war talk (bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran) fits in with Hagee's theology quite well. Is there any evidence of Obama, in his speeches or writings, that shows he's of the same mindset of the cherry-picked Wright rants?

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It's not just ACCEPTING endorsement (heartily, I might add -- I believe the exact quote was "I am honored"), it was ACTIVELY SEEKING the endorsement.

It's not just Hagee, it's the Reverend Rod Parsley.

And it's not just those two, it's all the other right wingers who denounce America with impunity, and have done so for years.

It's not just the racism, it's the fact that in the US media, and obviously to dijamo, JTHB, and the rest of you blind fools, that right wingers consistently get a pass from the media when they spout their America-hating rhetoric. It only becomes an issue when lefty preachers criticize American actions.

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Well, I don't know what he can say that can shut down or minimize the controversy. It might be better to do nothing and hope that it dies down or people get desensatized to it. I don't think one speech is going to make this problem go away.

I agree with LaBonne, if he were a white guy, the clintons would be sipping champagne on the french riviera a month ago and we'd be taking on mccain. Pathetic.

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This speeach is absolutely necessary. It along with people's reaction to it will determin wether he is our next president. If he does not give it or does not in giving it calm the fears of half of white America he will not be electable. If he fails in this Clinton will win future contests with a margin large enough to take the lead and he will be history. If he does she canot catch him and he will make history.

Mitt Romney didn't give "a JFK speech." Mitt Romney pulled out the Dominionist code book and gave a long, loud dog whistle to the Christofacist kooks, assuring them that Mormons were faithful fellow travellers with them on the road to theocracy.

They didn't buy it.

No way could Obama give a speech like that. What's he going to do, stand there looking like his Dad and tell the "I'm not a racist but . . ." white guys that he's one of them?

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They didn't buy it.

An amazingly large number did. Just not enough for him to get the nomination. (Considering his easily visible "flip flopping", it's even more amazing.)

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Agreed. Romney's Mormonism didn't matter as much as his lack of real conservative credentials. Had he run as a moderate Repub, neither would have mattered.

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You're absolutely right. If he didn't flip flop all over the place on "core conservative principles" and stood up for his principles, he would be the nominee today. With the economy in the toilet, he was their best economy nominee. Maybe its poetic justice. I still am laughing over his "varmint" hunting all of twice as a life long hunter.

Yes indeed. Romney's speech was pathetic, paling in comparison to the courage Kennedy showed by being upfront about his Catholicism. And Kennedy did it in front of the Greater Houston Ministerial Organization.

I trust Obama to give a 'JFK Speech' such that Jack Kennedy himself would approve of. He's one of the finest writers in the federal government. And he's the best political orator of our time, period.

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You nailed it!

It is completely predictable that he has to address the race issue. As soon as a white candidate begins to feel pressure from a black candidate, the race card drops on the table. It's an automatic play; the smart money understands that it's irresponsible not to use a ready-made winning strategy. It's like a loaded gun - if you carry one around for protection, eventually you'll encounter a situation where you "have to" protect yourself. It's not about gentility, it's about prevailing.

I can only fault him because he didn't see it coming and address it a lot sooner. It might have saved some ugliness.

Regardless of all the pats on the back white liberals like to give themselves for racial tolerance, America remains a profoundly divided nation. That is one of the reasons the promise of an Obama presidency is historic on so many levels. But it's also the reason why white folk are so outraged by Reverend Wright's comments: we have been blithely unaware and ignorant of what life in America is actually like for many black people. Just look at something as simple as a survey taken of black people before the Iraq war:

blacks not only opposed the war in large numbers, but a very large majority also thought that protest against the war was one's patriotic duty. A majority of whites thought protesting the war was unpatriotic.

There is a great delta between our life experiences. Obama is an opportunity for us to bridge it. Can he do it? I believe he can, but it ain't gonna be easy. The Repubs and the Clinton campaign are doing their darnedest to incite these flames. The Clintons benefit in the short term from these racial divides (good luck to them getting the black vote back in November) and Republicans benefit in the long term. And no progress is ever made.

No matter what, Obama is making history. And if he loses the nomination, I expect his movement to continue.

Good venue too.

The liberty bell is there I believe.

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The Liberty Bell's about 2 blocks away, but yes, it's on the same Independence Mall (non-commercial that is) as the National Constitution Center.

Wasn't it just a week ago that Geraldine Ferraro was saying how easy it was for a Black man to be elected? B.S. In the end, this entire story comes down to the long held notion that White people fear Black men, Black anger, and Black culture. It's really sad. I'm truly convinced though that once this immediate controversy is over, Obama will be a stronger candidate and will allow him to get back on message rather than responding to the race-bait by Clinton surrogates and the MSM.

Note: I also feel that this whole thing was pushed out by the press in response to the bad press Ferraro received for her racially insensitive remarks. Don't tell me Clinton's not behind this.

I agree completely with what you are saying. Hopefully my post will be placed here. If not here is a few of my views:

I have become appalled by the reactions to Barack concerning his pastor (Rev. Wright). I think that only because Billary (Bill & Hillary Clinton) began this race issue is this a big problem. First of all why are we discussing church within a state issue, these two are supposed to be two separate entities. Second why does he (Barack Obama) have to defend what his pastor says when he probably was not even present when this sermon was given.
One thing white America does not understand is the black church, how many of you have set inside the walls of a black church and understood the emotion, the comfort, the spirit that pours out of it, because we (the black church) derived from our ancestors (slaves) who only had the church to make it through working for someone who kept them from the outside world, from knowing what it really means to be an American. I go back to my thought from the beginning, when I first heard we had a black….excuse me, Barack is not only black he is interracial (a black father and a white mother).
I said that FEAR (1. (n) An unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger. 2. An instance of this emotion) would make this campaign an ugly battle. It is because of this instance of emotion and not thought that we as democrats are in the position we are in. The FEAR to white America that a man of color, with higher education than most of them can spell-now has the opportunity to run this country (FEAR). That because a man of color has not only black people and supporters but white people and antagonist hanging on his every word (FEAR). This Fear is what will make us find the right in Barack and make it seem wrong.
I do not believe that it is because Barack Obama’s pastor made these comments that is so fiery, it is because Barack is a man of color, and because he chastised (White America) that there is a problem (FEAR). As the previous leaders before Barack that stood for the rights of those of color have been criticized before him and some even killed, I guess it shows that we have not really grown from the days of John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King.
We are here talking about Rev. Wright who only gave his personal opinion (a 30 second snippet) of what he deems is right to him, and most people probably believe what he said. This man has been a spiritual advisor of Barack’s for over 20 years, and someone went and dug up 30 seconds of a sermon that was spoken a while ago, that really is a caricature of him as a person. I say that I don’t care who you are and how non-racist you think you may be; we have all said things about the other race that we hoped no one would know we have said.

1. Is Hillary Clinton a black man living in this world.
2. Does Hillary Clinton know what it is to be called a Ni99a.
3. Has Hillary Clinton had to struggle with being viewed as society’s reject just because of her color.
4. Has Hillary Clinton not been given what is due to her because of her color?
5. Does Hillary Clinton know what it is like to be with your parents and denied entrance into a restaurant, movie, park, bus, etc because of the color of her skin?
6. Has Hillary Clinton known what it is like to see your family (ancestors) hung from trees, sprayed with fire hoses, drug out her house and family raped/killed because she is black?

Now what Rev. Wright said should probably have not been spoken in the pulpit (because as we know church and state are supposed to be separate), but never the less he spoke the truth. She has NO IDEA on what it is like to be black, a man, nor a black man.


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Ferraro also forgot that it hasn't been easy lately for *any* Democratic Presidential candidate to be elected.

People refuse to accept that there are significant differences between the Obama/Wright and McCain/Hagee relationships:
Has McCain sat in Hagee's church for twenty years?
Did Hagee marry McCain and his second wife or baptize his children?
Has McCain given tens of thousands of dollars to promote Hagee's ministry of hate?
Did McCain appoint Hagee to a position in his campaign?
Has McCain called Hagee "friend, mentor, advisor, pastor"?
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
Do you think midAmericans don't see and recognize these differences?
And to argue, again, that this is racial prejudice is even more ridiculous.
No white man could have belonged to the Aryan Nation Church for the past 20 years and be in the race in either party.
But we get Obama who has consistently played the race card to negate any criticism of him.
Well this time it won't work.
All of Obama's repeated lies about his relationship to Wright and Wright's hate speech, all of those lies are a fairy tale.
Obama's claim of unity is a fairy tale.
Obama's claim that he is any other than another greedy grasping mendacious politician is a fairy tale.

Wright was absolutely right about the chickens coming home to roost.
But the chickens are Obama's. And his goose is cooked.

Obama may, in fact most likely will win the Dem nomination in an act of mass stupidity and suicide.
But he is toast against McCain.
If Obama had one half ounce of honest integrity his speech today would announce his withdrawal from the race.

I really don't get this. We have the best candidate to run against McCain, and you want him to quit because his Pastor is mad at America?

Guess what? I'm mad at America too. And I'll go even further - I think MOST Americans are "mad at America", or a least mad at the present administration, and by default, will be mad at a politician to pledges to carry on the Bush legacy.

If you really think when people are losing their jobs, their homes and their money they care about this nonsense, then you are the one who refuses to see the big picture.

Hillary unites the Republicans against us, Obama will unite the country. I still believe that, and I think most people will forget all this by the time the general election comes around.

Well said SCMadden!!!

Yes I'm openly and seriously mad at America and I can say outrageous things and it's my consitutional right.

Guess what?

I'm White so I'm by birth an American and by default a patriot. How unlucky I'm?

"No white man could have belonged to the Aryan Nation Church for the past 20 years and be in the race in either party.
But we get Obama who has consistently played the race card to negate any criticism of him."

You are equating this church with an Aryan Nation Church? Oh my, talk about unhinged. Typical Republican, however.

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If you had half an ounce of honest integrity, you'd stay under your rock and not post such witless drivel.

All you are doing is displaying your very obvious prejudice and your right-wing bona fides.

It's not very pretty.

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People keep making a big deal about the facct that Rev Wright married the Obamas and baptized their children. The most tenuous relationship most people have is with the pastor who married them or baptized their children. That is no more important than which clerc preformed the cerimony if you had a civil service.

As for being a member of the church for however many years. That makes it mor not less likely that you will tolerate an ocasional inapropriate outburst. If you just started at a church and hear something like this you walk out. If you have been going for years you take the entirety of your experiences in to account. That is why the pews are not completely empty at the catholic churches after the way that churches hirarchy has behaved.

But the people you chose to endorse you as a candidate, sharing the stage as part of your campaign, they tell us about your political philosophy. Who will you alli yourself with when you govern? Hving a friend or relative with a few obnoxious ideas is not the same as seeking out a racist political alli.

Does Obama repeat and/or reflect Wright's most inflammatory rants?

No.

Do Hagee and McCain share a desire to invade Iran?

Yes.

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JTHB is a lying, bigoted fool.

My post upthread, including the linked articles, should demonstrate what a lying, bigoted fool JTHB really is.

blacks not only opposed the war in large numbers, but a very large majority also thought that protest against the war was one's patriotic duty. A majority of whites thought protesting the war was unpatriotic.
What do you know, a lot of those "unpatriotic" black folks actually understand what patriotism is all about a whole lot better than a lot of flag-pin-wearing white folks. What a surprise (not).

"Why the heavier media scrutiny for the candidate black-church relationship than the candidate white-church relationship?"

Good question indeed

I think the video clips especially were incendiary, and not in a way ABC and Fox think.

They were incendiary in being an irresponsible and racist portrayal of a black preacher. They were spliced to show him as "radical" -- the old smear of any black who speaks out. Even Dr. King was labeled as "radical" in his day.

They were the very stereotype of a frighteningly angry black man.

A legit news organization would have quoted the text and not shown the video. Just like we don't see photos of crime suspects, and the news doesn't report the race of criminals and victims, I believe that this was something like the "Willie Horton" ad, a subtly racist tactic by the media.


Or at least show the whole speech, in context, and let the viewer decide how "racist" it is.

To take one word out of a speech (God-damn America!), and play it over and over again...

That's not journalism. That's an attack ad.

But, despite all that, Obama dropped 3% in the national polls. 3%!

He really is remarkable, and I can see why Hillary and McCain supporters fear him so much.

I have become appalled by the reactions to Barack concerning his pastor (Rev. Wright). I think that only because Billary (Bill & Hillary Clinton) began this race issue is this a big problem. First of all why are we discussing church within a state issue, these two are supposed to be two separate entities. Second why does he (Barack Obama) have to defend what his pastor says when he probably was not even present when this sermon was given.
One thing white America does not understand is the black church, how many of you have set inside the walls of a black church and understood the emotion, the comfort, the spirit that pours out of it, because we (the black church) derived from our ancestors (slaves) who only had the church to make it through working for someone who kept them from the outside world, from knowing what it really means to be an American. I go back to my thought from the beginning, when I first heard we had a black….excuse me, Barack is not only black he is interracial (a black father and a white mother).
I said that FEAR (1. (n) An unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger. 2. An instance of this emotion) would make this campaign an ugly battle. It is because of this instance of emotion and not thought that we as democrats are in the position we are in. The FEAR to white America that a man of color, with higher education than most of them can spell-now has the opportunity to run this country (FEAR). That because a man of color has not only black people and supporters but white people and antagonist hanging on his every word (FEAR). This Fear is what will make us find the right in Barack and make it seem wrong.
I do not believe that it is because Barack Obama’s pastor made these comments that is so fiery, it is because Barack is a man of color, and because he chastised (White America) that there is a problem (FEAR). As the previous leaders before Barack that stood for the rights of those of color have been criticized before him and some even killed, I guess it shows that we have not really grown from the days of John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King.
We are here talking about Rev. Wright who only gave his personal opinion (a 30 second snippet) of what he deems is right to him, and most people probably believe what he said. This man has been a spiritual advisor of Barack’s for over 20 years, and someone went and dug up 30 seconds of a sermon that was spoken a while ago, that really is a caricature of him as a person. I say that I don’t care who you are and how non-racist you think you may be; we have all said things about the other race that we hoped no one would know we have said.

1. Is Hillary Clinton a black man living in this world.
2. Does Hillary Clinton know what it is to be called a Ni99a.
3. Has Hillary Clinton had to struggle with being viewed as society’s reject just because of her color.
4. Has Hillary Clinton not been given what is due to her because of her color?
5. Does Hillary Clinton know what it is like to be with your parents and denied entrance into a restaurant, movie, park, bus, etc because of the color of her skin?
6. Has Hillary Clinton known what it is like to see your family (ancestors) hung from trees, sprayed with fire hoses, drug out her house and family raped/killed because she is black?

Now what Rev. Wright said should probably have not been spoken in the pulpit (because as we know church and state are supposed to be separate), but never the less he spoke the truth. She has NO IDEA on what it is like to be black, a man, nor a black man.

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Is this speech being aired? Where?

Who is covering the speech.

I am unable to find it on cable or network.

Was it pre-empted by hillary?

It's pretty much covered by all major news outlets I think. It's streamed live on CNN.com.

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vicissitudes,

It looks like MSNBC is covering it; I get the impression that CNN is covering it also.

It hasn't started yet.

(PS: Even though Fox has shown great interest in the Wright issue, they don't seem to be covering the speech...)

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Wait a minute, it looks like Fox News is also covering it (I had checked a different Fox venue before.)

Speech starting in about 5 minutes.

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He's got to do something. I wish him well.

Why to white ass politicians never explian their relationship with Fallwell, Robertson or Hagee? And last week a moron from Hillary camp called him "lucky" he was not white.

White guys get a free pass allthe time for their church connections with crazy pastors and a black guy is literally framed as a traitor.

It's tragic.

The clintons had their thirsty mouths dipped in several gutters for years now. However, the White Fairy Queen managed to bully the system, the media and Obama camp ever since a week before TX,OH primaries by her freak shows and shinanigans.

The drama queen with a lump in her throat declared she'll disclose her tax returns even possibly before the March 4 primary;

White House records- undisclosed
Tax returns- undisclosed
Ear mark spending- undisclosed

First hand political whores, white guys with a crazy white minister are welcome.

Virgin Hillary for 08!!


The videos showed the most controverisal parts of the speeched. That's what the media does regardless of race. You think the showed the whole beginning part of the speech where Bill Clinton said Obama's claim that he's been consistent against the Iraq war was a fairytale was unfairly spliced to say that Bill Clinton said Obama's candidacy was a fairy tale. The Obama campaign let this play out in SC without correcting the record until after the fact leaving the impression that Bill was being "racist" and dismissive of Obama. I'm sure you though that was unfair as well and criticized the media for that.

That said I don't think his words were taken out of context at all. If they were, please give an example. The media is not unfairly portraying Reverend Wright as an "angry black man" - he did a fine job at that all on his own.

Good point, dijamo, that was an unfair attack on Bill.

Too bad he made the Jesse Jackson comment (I saw the WHOLE video of that fiasco).

And what's with Hillary trying to take away credit from MLK to LBJ?

I mean, I see her point, but did she really think that would please black voters?


I'll say it again: Rev Wright is right to be angry. We should all be that angry. America is losing it's moral compass, and instead of talking about it, we all have to say how much we LOVE America and wear flag pins and support the war?

Sorry, but not just no, HELL No.


Now the Hillary LBJ comment is no comparison. She was not denigrating the work of MLK. She argued that it took a political leader to push the legislation through and get it done. Hillary is criticized for being political rather than inspirational, but sometimes you need a person that is going to roll up their sleeves and work to get it done. Speeches can inspire people to act, but it takes political might to get it enacted into law. If you really believe MLK did it all be himself, you need to brush up on history.

And Bill Clinton was angry after SC after beign portrayed as a racist and the Obama campaign using race to their advantage at every opportunity and made an obvious point that Jesse won SC too by a large margin - meaning Hillary was not done yet,

Can't wait for the Obama Kool-Aid.

Will Obama answer these questions:

1. What have you heard Rev Wright say that could be considered racist?

2. Why have you remained in the Church?

Bet not.

Kumbaya Baking Soda will spew forth. The empty suit will pay the Rodney King card, why can't we all get along?

Because Senator Obama and Michelle Obama have played the race card to their benefit and now the press is finally looking at the empty suit's judgment with the racist Wright as your mentor.

Nice try, troll, but the Pastor Wright is NOT racist.

He shares the same views most Democrats too. Of course, you're a Republican, and so if you don't wear a flag pin, you're a commie.

Thank God most Americans don't think like you do.

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Your screen name is more appropriate than you realize---irony is lost on you, isn't it?

MP: "Can't wait for the Obama Kool-Aid."

Why's that? Run out of your own?

"That said I don't think his words were taken out of context at all. If they were, please give an example. The media is not unfairly portraying Reverend Wright as an "angry black man" - he did a fine job at that all on his own."

You are quite wrong. Go to Youtbue and listen to Wright's speech on the audacity of hope, and tell me if that is someone who is anti-American or hates whites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU

This is almost a textbook case of taking out of context. It is a smear job. Absolutely.

In the context of that oarticular sermon - it was not taken out of context. Yes he may have given other sermons that were not divisive. My point is if within that Damn America speech and the chickens coming home to roose - if there is anything in that particular sermon that proves that was not the point of the sermon please let me know. I'm still waiting...

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here's a live stream of the speech, via AP/NYTimes

http://play.rbn.com/?url=aplive/nynyt/live/live.smi&proto=rtsp -- check front page of NYtimes if that doesn't work, stream is already live

I'm going to ask this again: Is there any evidence in Obama's speeches or writings that shows he's of the same mindset of the cherry-picked Wright rants?

"I'm going to ask this again: Is there any evidence in Obama's speeches or writings that shows he's of the same mindset of the cherry-picked Wright rants?"

That's a great question and one the media should be asking the Rightwing Attack Dogs right about now.

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One reason this situation has hit a nerve is because of the way Obama's campaign positioned him and his candidacy. He is supposed to be "post racial" and "post partisan". Unfortunately, the appearance and statements of his pastor appear to defy that positioning.

It would appear to me that Obama is not following or repeating the racial philosophy of his pastor (US is a damned racist country).

Or, just like he's a SECRET MUSLIM, he's also a secret militant black nationalist.

Bigotry is in the eye of the beholder. I am sure that there are some people who think Reverend Wright's comments are bigoted. Apparently you don't have an issue with them.

Are you replying to me?

I have a problem with the style of Wright's comments, that in a country that makes a sacred fetish out of "God Bless America" you shouldn't go saying the opposite, just like you don't go burning a flag to make your point.

But if it's a message that if we don't make this a country of equality, then we're damning ourselves, I could stand by that.

But Obama has never emitted a tone, style, expression in the fashion of his pastor. There's nothing in his writings or speeches that reflects the sort of militant black nationalism that we're supposed to think is fueling Wright.

I'm repeating myself on this now, but it's at the heart of why it's not bothering me that Obama went to this church. Obama doesn't reflect the worst of what we're being shown.

What does bother me is the efforts to make Obama and Wright of the same mind, practically conjoined twins.

Is it difficult to understand that one might not march in lockstep to an authority figure in your life?

Speech on Drudge, won't work:

"For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.” This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can’t learn; that those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time."

OJ is GUILTY of murder and should have suffered the death penalty. Smart move Obama, bring up OJ.

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Marginal Player has chosen to talk about "some other distraction[s]".

Was Obama wrong? Was race being treated as a spectacle during the OJ trial? Yes.

For those asking where you can watch the speech, it hasn't started yet (10:45am), so you still have time - it's being shown on CNN, if you get it.

He doesn't have to say anything to shut it down. This will be the speech in which white people will only listen for touchstones that let them off the hook for being racist. That's what this whole escapade is all about. It's just another instance of black people having to appease white people so they can continue to feel smug and superior.

That said, the Obama candidacy continues to be an against-the-odds modern marvel. I have maintained consistently since New Hampshire (where polling was not borne out in actual voting) that the Bradley Effect is alive and well and that we stand on the edge of it all the time. That's why small things like the Reverend Wright's comments so easily tip the campaign toward trouble. We live right on that edge. But Obama is a one-of-a-kind candidate and expectations are placed on him, right or wrong, that would never be placed on any other candidate. It's a bummer, certainly, but it's a part of broader cultural change that is required in order for everyone to move forward. The story of race in America is the story of struggle. None of it has ever come easy. I think Obama understands this, which is why he always comes across as so level-headed and even-tempered. He's studied history and understands what's at stake.

The best way for Obama supporters to view this is to understand that we are sitting inside a historical moment, trying hard to push a nation forward. Will it work out? In many ways, it already has.

McCain just had to make the trek to Bob Jones U. to prove his cred as "white enough" to be President. In 2000, he wasn't quite, cause he had that black baby, you know. Now he can stand proudly next to Hagee, and Parsley can praise him, and a whole host of others. It's okay for him to rub shoulders with anti-Semites like Rev. Billy Graham and his son Franklin. With gay-bashers, with "holy men drawn to preach the word" filled with hate for women who have abortions and doctors who provided that service. He can stand side by side with preachers who blamed New Orleans for Hurricane Katrina, who clucked their tongues and said, "they brought it on themselves." When the Twin Towers fell, some of the same "wise" Christian men lifting McCain to his pedastal, were blaming New York City for their destruction.

Hillary Clinton drops in periodically on black churches to refine her black accent. She'll say she's "No ways tired," or talk about life on the plantation called "Congress". But back on the plantation, Hillary isn't in the slave quarters. Hillary doesn't vote or support her "peeps back in the 'hood." And speaking of that 'hood. What does it say to the talented NY politicians who are black or Puerto Rican who have proved their mettle, gathered experience, work hard for their constituents only to be trumped by the former First Lady, who with no firsthand political experience, parachutes in (carpetbagging being so last 19th century) and becomes the junior senator from New York. The wink and the nod. The acknowledgment that black people are okay when she needs their votes, but expendable when she wants the nomination and there is a black man standing in her way.

Ano now, having being mesmerized, entralled, glued to my seat, cheering and applauding, this man and this speech, I can finally say the real, truthful, painful, healing, enlightening, uplifting national discussion on race.

Now as the Senator said you can choose to focus on this issue, or focus on the real problems that face all of us and do not dwell in just the inner city, or white suburbs or rural farm towns, that affect all of us, black, brown, red, yellow, and white, rich and poor, Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, agnostic and every variation in between, that touch man and woman alike.

Amen and Hallelujah!

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