Obama Campaign Official: People Shouldn't Call On Hillary To Drop Out Of Race

Asked on MSNBC moments ago about the calls coming from Obama supporters for Hillary to drop out of the race, Obama campaign national co-chair Bill Daley said...

"I don't think people should be calling on a candidate to drop out. The Clintons are smart people. I think it's very hard to see the numbers for them to pull this off..."

He added that eventually the Clintons would realize the game is over.

The Obama campaign doesn't want to be directly associated with demands that she leave the race right now, something that would politicize the calls for her to drop out and minimize the degree to which they're seen as being all about what's good for the party. Instead, the Obama campaign will hover above the fray while his surrogates -- and neutral parties -- do it for them.

Late Update: Here's video. Watching it again, I see that Daley does basically say that she'll be dropping out before the convention, which is as far as I've heard any Obama official go...


Comments (72)

Please, can't we just fire her ? ... What, somebody already did ? When ?

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Folks, Obama's campaign is just trying to keep her from using these "quit the race" calls as a fundraising tool.

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And let's not forget - Daley was Bill Clinton's Commerce secretary.

Still, I'm seriously doubtful that HRC will drop out. Maybe I'm nuts, but's she's too far down the road. I DO hope I'm wrong.

I am an Obamanite but I think HRC staying in the race through the end of the primaries is actually a good thing - BUT I also agree that there is no way HRC can get the nomination by anything she does so she needs to understand that and put the primaries back on a positive track so that Obama is in a better position in Nov and even she would be in a better postition should Obama implode or should Obama lose in Nov heaven forbid.

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Nice is theory but in practice not good. Don't see Clinton approach changing; she and campaign have been too destructive:(1) C-in-C, (2) Patriotism (3) Shuck & Jive to Ferraro,(4)Wright, Muslim,Tax return.....
The list is too long and the downside too great: the greater distance from Clinton and as early as possible before the general election the better.

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They ARE smart people, but they are also power hungry, and which do you really think is going to win? She won't drop out until she has no other choice..

Besides, Bill got lots of money from people expecting favors...they don't want to deal with angry "donors" wanting their cash back.

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This guy is an optimist.

But maybe Clinton really will bow out gracefully before too long. I hope he's right.

Clinton will too easily play the martyr if it looks like she was "forced" out of the race. She might play the martyr regardless, but I think it would be a lethal mistake for her career if she goes this route.

In the end, she has to rally behind Obama to preserve her position in the party. I don't blame her for having a hard time making this transition, though. It has to be difficult to admit defeat in such a close, exciting race. I suspect there will be some let-down for all of us when this thing is over!

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THE PUNDITS
There is a loud and growing chorus of voices asking Hillary Clinton to withdraw from the race
THE REALITY
Precisely the same number of voters (22%) think Barack Obama should drop out of the race as Hillary Clinton

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton is the candidate running a negative, divisive campaign; she is throwing the "kitchen sink" at Barack Obama
THE REALITY
Barack Obama has been throwing the sink, the stove, the plates and the garbage can at Hillary Clinton, attacking her integrity and character every day

THE PUNDITS
For Hillary to win the nomination, super delegates will have to "overturn the will of the people"
THE REALITY
The will of the people is split and both candidates need - and are making their case to - super delegates

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton is threatening to poach pledged delegates from Barack Obama
THE REALITY
Barack Obama is reportedly already trying to poach pledged delegates from Hillary Clinton

THE PUNDITS
Florida and Michigan's voters won't be heard and their delegates won't be seated all because of complicated procedural roadblocks
THE REALITY
Barack Obama is intentionally disenfranchising voters in two critical states for purely political reasons, namely, that he'll lose his small advantage if they count

THE PUNDITS
Every single word or action from Hillary Clinton, her campaign, her surrogates and her supporters is part of a calculated and cynical political strategy
THE REALITY
Hillary Clinton is a loyal Democrat, a lifelong public servant, a tireless and tenacious candidate, and is fighting hard - and fair - to win with the help of millions of dedicated supporters


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Either reality means "your opinion" or you need a new dictionary. Either way, this is just a classic example of denial.

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This post would be more accurate if you retitle the blurbs as "THE REALITY" followed by "THE DESPERATE SPIN"

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dembillc-

Let me give this a shot:

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THE PUNDITS
There is a loud and growing chorus of voices asking Hillary Clinton to withdraw from the race
THE REALITY
Precisely the same number of voters (22%) think Barack Obama should drop out of the race as Hillary Clinton

*** One poll does not Reality make.

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THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton is the candidate running a negative, divisive campaign; she is throwing the "kitchen sink" at Barack Obama
THE REALITY
Barack Obama has been throwing the sink, the stove, the plates and the garbage can at Hillary Clinton, attacking her integrity and character every day

*** So Obama can be vetted but Clinton cannot be? Who was the one who said "This is the fun part"?

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THE PUNDITS
For Hillary to win the nomination, super delegates will have to "overturn the will of the people"
THE REALITY
The will of the people is split and both candidates need - and are making their case to - super delegates

*** Obama leads in pledged delegates and state won and this is a "split"??

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THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton is threatening to poach pledged delegates from Barack Obama
THE REALITY
Barack Obama is reportedly already trying to poach pledged delegates from Hillary Clinton

*** It's been documented that Clinton is trying to woo away Obama's Texas dels.

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THE PUNDITS
Florida and Michigan's voters won't be heard and their delegates won't be seated all because of complicated procedural roadblocks
THE REALITY
Barack Obama is intentionally disenfranchising voters in two critical states for purely political reasons, namely, that he'll lose his small advantage if they count

*** Answer this: Why won't Clinton negotiate with Obama on how to do recounts? Why is it wrong to ask for safeguards that ensure that -all- Florida and Michigan voters get to vote? Clinton supporter disregard for FL and MI voters who stayed home (because they were told the DNC wouldn't count them) shows they don't believe their own words.

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THE PUNDITS
Every single word or action from Hillary Clinton, her campaign, her surrogates and her supporters is part of a calculated and cynical political strategy
THE REALITY
Hillary Clinton is a loyal Democrat, a lifelong public servant, a tireless and tenacious candidate, and is fighting hard - and fair - to win with the help of millions of dedicated supporters

*** And Obama is not??

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Oops. Scratch "recounts" and insert "revotes." :)

Sorry dude, you get an F for originality . . . these bullshit talking points were copied and pasted directly from TaylorMarsh.com (you seem to be doing a lot of that today).

Dembillc: Delusions you can Xerox.

Sorry dude, you get an F for originality . . . these bullshit talking points were copied and pasted directly from TaylorMarsh.com (you seem to be doing a lot of that today).

Dembillc: Delusions you can Xerox.

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If the money runs out; she's out. With no races for 6 weeks, running a deficit coming out of February, what's the likelihood that her campaign is flush with cash right now? Not high....

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From the Suntimes.com's Michael Sneed:

Is Hillary Broke?

Could be. I heard things. I heard some things. You know.

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So Obama says that his supporters should stop calling on Hillary to drop out because Clinton is smart enough to see that for herself. And he adds that the game is over. But somehow this is not the same as Obama saying that Hillary should drop out? Let's get real.

the chant for hillary to drop out is a call to arms for hillary's supporters... we've been down this road before. i think it's a bad strategy for obama's campaign.

It's like swatting at a wasp, right? It only makes you madder and madder until you finally decide that if Obama gets the nomination, you're going to vote for McCain? Right?

Yeah, we knew that.

You're living in a dream world. It doesn't matter if they call for her to get out or not. She's already not in it. In fact, if she wasn't the wife of a former president, she would have been gone long ago.

i have always said that i will vote for obama if he gets the nomination, but it is people like you who make it harder than it should be...

your mean-spirited advocacy for obama is antithetical to what he stands and it drags down the good people who support him.

i'll be working twice as hard in PA this weekend thanks to all your "encouragement" on behalf of my efforts.

Kensdad,

I respect your choice of Senator Clinton and I understand why you're irked that she's being asked to withdraw.

Isn't there a point though where you'd agree that she stops being a serious candidate and becomes a spoiler? Does this really need to go to the end of Convention?

i don't think either obama or hillary would be spoilers, since either would support the democratic nominee in a general election. i expect the dems to unite once the nominee has been chosen.

the only legitimate way to end this race for the nomination is for one of the 2 candidates to get the approx 2025 delegates they need. until that happens, it is wrong to call on anyone to drop out.

there also must be resolution to the MI and FL issue so that democratic voters in those 2 states do not stay home in november. if you woke up one morning and found that through no fault of your own that your vote in the primary no longer counted wouldn't you be pissed? the DNC and the state legislature has no right to take away the votes of individuals. the DNC can say that they won't seat the delegates at their convention, but then they are risking the anger of millions of voters in 2 important swing states...

How will you work twice as hard? Will you run from person to person, begging them to vote for Hillary? Perhaps you'll carry twice as many fliers. Hand out twice as many Hillary buttons. Perhaps you can explain to people that if she wins all the remaining states by a 60-40 split AND gets Florida and Michigan seated (also by a 60-40 split), she'll be ahead by 19 delegates. Of course, then and only then, they'll be pledged delegates. Until then, they're free to switch sides anytime they like.

See, here's the deal: it doesn't matter if I piss you off and you work twice as hard or if you stay home and drink beer. Hillary loses either way.

Good luck to ya.

gee, good question... maybe i'll work twice as many hours tomorrow? maybe i'll work both sunday and saturday instead of just saturday? maybe i'll make multiple trips over to my daughter's college to transport more volunteers to where they are needed? there are just so many ways to double my efforts.

at least i'll be doing something productive (unlike now when i'm wasting my time arguing with you.)

if you didn't feel so threatened by the real possibility that Hillary could win the nomination, then you probably wouldn't spend so much time trying to belittle her (or me.)

i'm sure obama would be proud of you...

By the way, if she did somehow find a way to win the remaining states 60-40, she'd still need 425 superdelegates to clinch the nomination. No biggie, though, right? It could happen...

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Keep playing cocky. Obama always does so well when people view Hillary as up against the ropes...

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Says a lot about your candidate when she's most convincing as a victim.

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Victim or underdog? Typical smear campaign. Keep spouting your talking points. Says more about you than my candidate.

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The idea of a former first lady, deeply entrenched with party insiders and big-time fundraisers, who was the inevitable candidate until this winter being touted as an "underdog" amuses me to no end.

I say "victim" because her likability seems to spike when she's viewed as the overworked, worried "how do you find the strength to go on?" woman who cries in New Hampshire or the unwitting spouse to a serial cheating, powerful husband.

This is excellent strategy by the Obama campaign. All indications are that she's got money troubles. If they can bankrupt her over the next couple of races, the superdelegate talk and all the rest of it will be moot. No matter what happens, she's already out of it. She's just too bullheaded and arrogant to deal with reality.

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Here is the thing to consider:

Bill and Hillary are not going to heed any calls for Hillary to drop out. It is not in their nature. That being the case, we will have to just wait for Hillary to make the call without being pushed. In the meantime, every time we call for her to drop out, all we are doing is upsetting her die hard supporters.

The only person that deliver the bad news to her supporters is Hillary herself. You know how tough it is to accept that the person you have worked so hard for has actually lost.
That is why opponents wait for concession speeches before declaring victory.

We need to stop alienating Clinton supporters by rubbing their faces in it with frequent demands that their candidate drop out. We can not persuade Hillary to do so, so all we can do is do damage to the unity that we will need in November.

Stop flogging a dead horse, please.

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liam, way to late my friend. 1/2 of Clinton supporters will support Obama the other half has been so disgusted with his Sexist racist negative campaigning they would not vote for him if hell freezed over. Due to Glabal warming that is not very likely.

Sexist? Seriously?? Have you SEEN Michelle?

And what exactly has he said that's sexist or racist?

Don't try bringing reality into this discussion.

As for the racism, didn't you know that the core of American racism is black people talking the white man down? Just ask any hardcore Hillary supporter.

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I agree. The Obama campaign should not be seen as urging Clinton to drop out of the race. It would be much better if Obama won the primary race; then there would be no questions.

But from what I am seeing, Obama is the more substantive candidate. We see this by his forthright approach to dealing with the Wright controversy, and also by his lucid speech on Economics at Cooper Union the other day. Clearly Obama understands the complicated dynamics of our economic system.

Hillary Clinton does not understand the economic issues. Her call for a committee headed by Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin shows she has no clue about what is going on with our economy. These two characters are part of the problem: Greenspan is responsible for two bubbles; and rather than let the stock market sink and the economy go into a needed recession in 2001, he floated it out on easy credit and lax regulations.

The country is now in its worst economic crisis since the Depression, and it is in part due to the pro-growth, easy money, lax regulations of the period 1995-2007. Part of the problem was the untimely repeal of the Glass-Steagall act, and Rubin and Bill Clinton were instrumental in this action.

The country needs to move forward to the twenty first century, not repeat the mistakes of Bill Clinton and George Bush. Obama's speech makes that clear. It is his vision and his ability to articulate what we must do that will win him the primary and the general election.

John McCain and Hillary Clinton want badly to be the next President, but neither of them have the substance to lead the country forward. As the primary season goes on, this will become ever more clearer. The Obama campaign only needs to tend to its knitting, and let the voters make a clear and careful decision.

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Not too many stories ago right here on TPM, the news was that the Clinton campaign has lately been raising money by pointing out how Obama supporters are urging her to quit. This claim stokes her own supporters and apparently gets their hands reaching down in those pockets.

So Obama's camp is more cagey than you think. By openly stating it's NOT urging her to quit, her campaign's claims look like yet more hyperbole.

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is that from delegatehub.com or something?

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You are so right about this. Obama himself encourages everyone to walk in another person's shoes. We should try to remember how hard this is not only for Hillary herself, but also for her many and passionate supporters. I would be devastated if Obama had to drop out and it would take a long time for me to even look at Hillary, let alone vote for her.
This is an amazing and emotion-filled primary and both sides have ample reason to support their candidate to the bitter end.

The playground argument that Hillary should drop out because we want Obama to win gets confused with the more relevant and mature argument that she should drop out because she CAN'T win, no matter how good she is at this point.

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This is actually good tactics on two fronts. First, as mentioned, it avoids the politicization of these calls for her withdrawl, at least as much as can be expected.

Second, though, the Obama campaign knows full well that the Clintons are so far off their tree that they'll NEVER GIVE UP and KEEP FIGHTING and NEVER SAY DIE etc. So by casting it this way, the following should happen:

1. Reasonable people know when it's time to quit.

2. We (where I= Joe and Mary Yardsign, typical voters) are reasonable people, and we think it's time for her to quit.

3. She's not quitting.

4. Ergo, she must not be a reasonable, rational person.

And finally

5. So for as long as she stays in the race against better judgement, there's really no need for us (Mr. and Mrs. Yardsign) to pay attention to the ad hominem attacks by this clearly unreasonable person.

4. Ergo,

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Senator Obama knew that he was participating in an Election Campaign.

Senator Clinton assumed that she was attending her Coronation Ceremony.

Hubris tied Hillary's shoe laces together.

You nailed it.

Daley is correct. It is not the place of one candidate to call for the other to drop out. Nothing to see here, move on now.

Re: "Barack Obama is intentionally disenfranchising voters in two critical states for purely political reasons, namely, that he'll lose his small advantage if they count."

Not true. It was the Democratic party officials in those States who disenfranchised the voters, by leap frogging their elections.

The rules, denying seats at the convention, were put in place in 2004, by Terry McAuliffe, good buddy of Hill and Bill. Delicious irony, that.

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Via Kos, a fact-based rebuttal to HRC supporter claims that they aren't out to disenfranchise anyone. Charming. Scarier Texas stories than anything in No Country for Old Men...

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/28/6743/74922/196/485932

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Ward Connerly, who has been very successful in pushing anti-affirmative action initiatives into law in various states is now attempting to get initiatives onto the November ballots in Arizona, Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Oklahoma. The ballot measures would prohibit public institutions from considering race, sex or ethnicity in areas such as hiring and college admissions. Obama opposed Connerly's Proposition 209 in California which amended the state Constitution in 1996 to prohibit affirmative action in the public sphere. The proposition passed.

Affirmative action is going to be an issue in November. The public has a right to know where Obama stands on affirmative action. So far he has steered clear of committing, though last year he tried to equivocate by suggesting that affirmative action should address economic status more than race. This could easily be seen as a way of trying to preserve affirmative action for blacks without openly mentioning race. But his opinion on racial quotas and affirmative action based on race will be an issue. And don't expect the GOP to let him get by without taking a stand.

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THE REALITY
Barack Obama has been throwing the sink, the stove, the plates and the garbage can at Hillary Clinton, attacking her integrity and character every day

If you have some verifiable facts to back this up, let's see them.

As I recall, gotalife has spent days telling us Obama was doing nothing, on the beach in the Caribbean - ie "lazy" (pssssst: you know, "lazy")

So which is it? He's been busy throwing the crockery at Hillary, in which event you will show me some specific instances of that, or he's been doing nothing on the beach.

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I alraedy more than backed this up on a previous post replying to the same question. Do your homework.

LOVE IT

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The rules, denying seats at the convention, were put in place in 2004, by Terry McAuliffe, good buddy of Hill and Bill. Delicious irony, that.

Quite true and both Clinton and Obama agreed to the rules going in - they agreed on this situation.

She wants to treat it like a mulligan - but in fact, it's more like pleading out in a criminal case. You plead guilty, you can't come back on appeal and claim you weren't.

This is just an analogy, not any kind of indictment, Clinton supporters.

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The rules, denying seats at the convention, were put in place in 2004, by Terry McAuliffe, good buddy of Hill and Bill. Delicious irony, that.


Yes and they both agreed to them going in. Both Clinton and Obama agreed up front.

She wants it to be a mulligan, but it's really more analogous to binding arbitration: the parties agree on the rules going in. They cannot come back in later with an argument on appeal that goes to any part of the agreement both parties entered.

I call on Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race.

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The shameless hypocrisy of the Obama campaign. Barack Obama, I was for Mail In Voting Before I Was Against It, and his campaign screamed that mail in voting is unacceptable.
The SAME Barack Obama who is co-sponsor of the Senate version of this bill, "The Universal Right To Vote By Mail Act", which declares that NOT ALLOWING mail in voting in every state (28 do through absentee balloting) disenfranchises voters, now opposes a mail in revote. I have heard of chutzpah, but this one takes the cake.

Bwack,Bwack,Bwack, chicken Bwack Obama and his Uamerican campaign rolls on trying to dienfranchise as many Americans as possible.
I am sure Bwack's great spiritual Mentor and
Racist American hating Rev Wright is very proud of his protege.

Dude, I think you're in the wrong party.

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I don't mind Hillary Clinton remaining in the race, what I mind is she trying to destroy Barack with lies and innuendos, in her quest to do so.

I agree with a blogger, who said he believes she can suspend her race, and should damaging information come out about Barack, as she's expecting or manufacturing as we speak, then she can come back and "save" us from ourselves.

It's my impression that Barack Obama has been vetted at this point, but I like the "suspended campaign" approach. It's a good safe way to go.

A bit concerned that her campaign would still scheme to created a situation in which to "save us", though.

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Calls for Clinton to drop out are counter-productive; it's not just about Hillary, but about her supporters - especially women who see these repeated calls as a demand she throw the game and let the guy have it. If the roles were reversed, no one would dare lean on Obama to drop out the way they've been leaning on Clinton since almost Iowa.

I think that all depends on *how* she drops out. I'm sure it would be tough for her to muster, but if she did it with call for unity, then proceeded to campaign for Barack Obama and Democratic congressional candidates, a lot of the woulds would heal.

It's really all up to her.

Well, for what little my own two cents are worth, I think that Obama is right to say that we should not join the pile-on to get Clinton to withdraw. We will need her supporters in November, so there is nothing to be gained in antagonizing them now.

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Let's not forget a big factor that was holding these drop-out-now calls from party seniors last week.

It was FL and MI.

If they were in play, party seniors would have to wait for these 600 pound beasts to finish the vote and calls for Hillary to drop out obviously wouldn't make sense at this point. She might even overtake Obama on popular vote counts, though unlikely.

Add to that Obama's effective damage control from Wright, Hillary's disregard for the DCCC, her lie on Tuzla, and Norethern Ireland, her failed attempt to drag Wright back into the spotlight. Just push people off the fence.

PS. Obama's camp has done a superb job re. FL/MI. Cool, determined, and everything behind the scene to stop the do-over. Their tactics are unmatched. They took a hit, but they smashed Hillary's popular vote argument.

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The only reason we're even talking about Florida and Michigan is to favor Hillary - who agreed with the original decision, when it was made, not to seat the delegates from either state.

I think it's ridiculous to allow two states to vote twice. And it's not because it's unfair to Hillary or Obama. It's unfair to every other state - who only get to vote once.

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Instead, the Obama campaign will hover above the fray while his surrogates -- and neutral parties -- do it for them.

In other words, guys like me. I'm composing an open letter to the voters of Pennsylvania, arguing that they should see the writing on the wall, and vote for Obama to help bring rapid closure to this nomination fight.

The most hilarious post EVER. But probably not in the way you meant it.

Uh, that comment was in reply to dembillc's stupid chicken comment.

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campaign finances in the red

disapproval climbing and climbing

no way to win without destroying the apparent winner

I'm calling for her to drop out.

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I am wondering why "Operation Chaos" is not a bigger news item. While driving through unfamiliar territory today, I happened upon Limbaugh's program on the radio and was amazed to hear how mainstream and public this effort is. One caller said that 9,000 Republicans in Kentucky have switched parties to vote for Hillary in attempt to stymie the Democratic
party. Fortunately, there is a law in KY preventing those who switch after December 31 from voting in the primary, so late comers will be shut out.

HOWEVER, if this well-organized and highly publicized effort is being carried out across the country, why are Democrats not in more of an
outrage? Where are the headlines? Limbaugh came right out and said the whole point is to give Hillary just enough momentum to prevent her from
dropping out. Well, IT'S WORKING. So, what can we do to get the word out?

I find it incredibly ironic that Republicans paint themselves as the guardians of democracy and are participating in efforts to subvert our
most basic and essential fundamental right. This is not what the democratic process is meant to be, and I find their hypocrisy sickening.

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The more we wring our hands about Operation Chaos, the happier Limbaugh and his ilk. I understand your worries, truly, but hide them away. We'll register those independents and those Republicans and we'll cross our fingers. Given the Independent/GOP votes Obama was pulling in before this dumb Limbaugh thing, it seems we have a good chance of getting more votes from our new registrations than he will...

Whatever will be, will be.

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Liora -

This would explain Hillary's popping up like a jack-in-the-box on virtually any right-wing media property that would have her (Limbaugh, Fox, Sciafe). She's shoring up her new base!

This was always conspicuously absent from the Time mag interview with Mark Halperin. The plot thickens - and so do our arteries.

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Calls for Hillary to drop out are not productive (at least for us), for all the reasons repeated ad nauseum. For guys like Leahy and Dodd, well at least they contribute to the drumbeat since the media has to at least mention it as news.

The only thing that will bring this thing to an end sooner than later will be a flood of supers to Obama. That's where we come in. Instead of waisting time on flame wars with unhinged Hillbots, our time would be better spent writing to supers and urging them to grow some stones and endorse, already. Here's a decent list of supers categorized by committed and uncommtted to get you started. (it's at politico, in case the link doesn't work).
http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/

Forgive me for being obvious, but you have to click on the "plus" sign to drop down each state's delegates.

PS: You may wish to do a little research to find out who's leaning which way, lest you waist your time.

PPS: On the other hand, I never would have believed that Casey would go public for Obama, so take the PS with a grain of salt.

A SUPER A DAY. . . !

Oxymoronically, I expect more surprises in the near future. :)

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I don't see HRC dropping out for 2 reasons:

1. She has envisioned herself as President for too long; and

2. She is a 5x Scorpio (5 planets in Scorpio), for God's sake! That's a snake with 5 heads & 5 stingers - which explains so many dark character flaws, and the fact that she'll fight to the death - of all.

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Would you rather find out now, if Obama has something more hiding in his closet, or later in the fall when it might be too late to repair any damage?
I say now.

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