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Obama Campaign Denies They Have North Carolina Congressional Delegation Locked Up

The Wall Street Journal reported today that seven North Carolina House Dems were set to endorse Obama as a group -- prompting some talk in political circles today that the long-awaited break of super-dels towards Obama was on the verge of happening.

But the Obama campaign says it just isn't so. Obama aides say that the only House member to signal support for Obama, either publicly or privately, is G.K. Butterfield. Obama spokesperson Josh Earnest emails over this:

“We’re pleased to have the support of Rep. Butterfield and are working to earn the endorsement of his colleagues in the NC Congressional delegation. Despite the Wall Street Journal’s optimism, none of them has told our campaign that they are ready to announce their endorsement of Senator Obama -- so we’ll keep working on it.”

It's possible, of course, that some of them signaled that they would be supporting him but weren't ready to announce it yet. Also, the Obama campaign has good reason to tamp down such talk right now -- it would be a far more powerful statement if such a thing were to happen after Obama's expected loss in Pennsylvania, as it would signal that the loss hadn't slowed Obama's momentum.

Keep in mind, though, that the Obama campaign recently denied another similar rumor -- the idea that a bloc of 50 super-dels were ready to bolt in his direction en masse -- and that didn't end up happening, either.


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Or could it be that the Clinton camp is floating the rumors of superdelegates about to endorse Obama en masse to make him look silly when they don't materialize? And it gives credence to their argument about still having the momentum in this race.

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Now that's something I would actually doubt. The Clinton camp doesn't even want RUMORS of Obama endorsements out there. A rumor that doesn't turn out to be true about Obama doesn't actually give Clinton any momentum.

Not to be in conspiracy mode, but this sounds plausible. It IS the Wall Street Journal, after all, that is reporting it. If Scaife and Limbaugh are okay by Hillary's standards, the WSJ sure is.

To me, this smacks more of Republican dirty tricks, which we already know they've played in this campaign. The initial hit hurts Hillary, then the denial hurts Obama. Very Rovian. Very sleazy.

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I think at very least it would wait until he were actually campaigning in the state.

I'm guessing there is something to the WSJ story, just as there was probably something to Brokaw's story. Back then the 50 probably held off a mass endorsement because the media bought into Hillary's hype after what is in retrospect a pretty pathetic March 4th showing. These 6 could be part of that original 50. I'd say if it doesn't happen now, it will happen sooner or later. I can't imagine either the WSJ or Brokaw would just make things up out of nothing, that is Hillary's job ;)

That's what I'd been thinking as well.

It's as I suspected. You really cannot count on the reporting on Supers until the Supers themselves release a statement. There are a lot of rumors floating around and sometimes reporters fabricate stories out of them to fit some narrative they have created in their heads.

It still could happen, but it nothing more than rumors until they, the NC delegation, says so.

My guess is that someone either close to the Reps or to Obama said they're ready to come out for him, but there's nothing official. This is a signal to other supers to get off the fence before their support is meaningless. By denying it, the Obama campaign will be able to benefit twice from the move. Look for an official announcement sometime after Pa. votes.

The Obama camp is pathetic. If they have the slightest indication that someone is leaning their way - they broadcast it to the world and then look like chumps when it doesn't materialize - as in the phantom megablock of supers going to endorse him after Super Tuesday.

Same thing with John Lewis - they leaked it before Lewis had even made up his mind. And they have the nerve to claim Hillary is win at all cost and they don't treat politics like a game?

Of course they do. What's going to happen is Hillary will perform well in PA and those phantom NC supers whom the Obama campaign quasi-announced in the hopes of committing them to Obaama will poof and fizzle - just as the mass block did on Super Tuesday.

Once again instead of focusing on issues, Obama's just counting his chickens before they hatch. As the venerable John Madden says - the prevent defense only prevents you from winning. So count away Obama and his supporters. The race is not over yet. See you in Denver.

And we'll see Hillary in a very cold and inhospitable Senate in '09.

Ahhhh.... sniper-fire, EVERYONE RUN!!!!

You're an idiot. There's no other way to say it.

Brokaw said those 50 supers were going to come out for Obama, and he explicitly said it wasn't true. And now you say that Obama himself trumpeted this?

You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts. There's a word for that... better hurry up and admit your "misstatement", the sniper fire is starting...

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How did that Lewis thing work out, anyway?

Totally classless IMHO. They pushed him before he could jump and left him out twisting in the wind before he endorsed Obama.

I am not denying that John Lewis was on the verge - but let the man come to his own decision. If it was Hillary pulling a stunt like that every would be talking about how manipulative her campaign is.

It is tacky, it is beneath his campaign and it is embarrassing when it doesn't work out quite his way - as in those imaginary 50 supers on Super Tuesday.

You either need to offer evidence that the Obama campaign had anything to do with this story or shut up.

But then, you're a Hillary supporter. As with your candidate, lying is apparently embedded in your DNA.

And just to source how the Obama camp (meaning supporters & the formal campiagn itself) were directly responsible for the rumors of the 50 supers jumping to Obama - here's a direct quote for his cochairman in Missouri. Try the Google sometime and educate yourselves. Unless Hillary is impersonating his campaign co-chair in Missouri, some IDIOTS on this thread need to face reality rather than trying to pin everything on the Clinton campiagn.

Rep. Lacy Clay (D-MO), Sen. Barack Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate, said Obama will gain the support of 50 undecided Democratic superdelegates later this week, according to the Columbia Missourian.
Said Clay: "She (Sen. Clinton) will not make up those numbers. This race is over."

Am I supposed to believe now the WSJ is taking Hillary's word for it that NC delegates are going to endorse Obama. I don't mean to be rude, but can you Obama supporters but a half a brain cell together and explain how it makes sense Hillary would do that to herself in NC? And since St. Obama's camapign denied the Brokaw debacle which they clearly were involved in, the protests about them not having knowledge of where the rumors of the NC reps supporting him is awfully hard to believe.

I know I put too much faith in the intelligence of the Obama supporters but come on?!?! You can't possibly be that dumb?!?!?

Wow. Not a shred of evidence to support a single one of your ridiculous claims. The WSJ reports something, the Obama campaign denies it, and you claim it's Obama "trumpeting" it. Your cognitive dissonance is jarring.

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P.S. Note the WSJ just reported that they "plan" to endorse Obama sometime before the state's election. Obama's denial is just that they haven't told HIS campaign yet. It still could be true.

Very good point.

They read his survey to see he is a fraud.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

The survey shows the real Obama.

Very good point. Obama is 47. Shouldn't he have major legislation, major community projects (he created and headed), etc? I mean, he's not at all young actually. And given that, he is a bit of an empty suit as Dowd has said. He seems smart, he did the editing bit, and practiced law a bit, then rocked through politics to this point without really doing much it seems. Is that really Dan Quale in an Obama suit? Although Quale usually showed up to vote...

There's nothing like the smell of bitterness in the morning.

Since you can't spell Quayle (irony alert) and actually cite Maureen Dowd as a source, I'm not going to bother listing Obama's accomplishments. Of which you probably already know, anyway.

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It's pretty sinister. What politician would answer the same questions, years later, with different words? Who would ever refine their expression of their position on an issue, over years in public office? How outrageous.

Why is this a story? McCain has taken every possible position on immigration, campaign finance reform, and torture. Usually this begins "I believe in this principle" and ends with "I give up, please vote for me."

Speaking of Politico.com I learned a lot about Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9274.html

Wait, is Klobuchar still endorsing? Greg?

She officially endorsed this morning.

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I can't imagine either the WSJ or Brokaw would just make things up out of nothing, that is Hillary's job ;)

The things that are said now.

The WSJ or Brokaw not make things up? Since when.

Don't wave the WSJ at me - good lord! I've spent 8 years repudiating the WSJ. I cannot turn on a dime and now think well of them just because they are saying something for once that I agree with.

That's the problem with citing all these people like Noonan - if I turn around now after all these years of bitching about these peoples' utter lack of credibility and say, well they are credible when they agree with me - what does that make me?

It really goes against all my instincts and most of my convictions. If someone is credible, but conservative, I welcome their opinion, like Hagel. I loved his endorsement. But I do not give one good damn about the endorsements of people I believe do not have any convictions.

Come on, there is a big difference between the WSJ's reporting function and its editorial pages. It has been pretty well documented that their reporters often turn up and produce factual stories that are devastating to the content of its editorial page. Like the Washington Post, the two march to different drummers.

That doen't mean the story is right, just that it's not the product of some Murdochian conspiracy.

Has anyone here considered that an en bloc endorsement might not be such a great tactical move to start with? Yes, there is something undeniably sexy about "sealing the deal" so far in advance, but it also runs the risk of appearing:

1) very heavy-handed and
2) rather machinist

Even if this story were true, the Obama campaign has to be concious of the fact that such a move would run starkly contrary to their public narrative, especially with the Hillary campaign (thus far, failingly) trying to reposition itself as some sort of populist insurgency.

A strong part of the Obama mythos has been this sense that he has earned every primary victory he has won. After all, when was the last time you've heard of any state referred to as an "Obama Firewall"?

Even if the whole N.C. delegation were on board, they'd be wise to delay (or at least stagger) this announcement.

Well, so much for that story. I guess we will see who gets behind whom over the next month and something.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Too bad. Why didn't WSJ bother to get a confirmation or denial from the Obama campaign before going with a definitive story. They could still run it, but say that Obama's campaign denies it.

I always wonder as well whether or not early rumors of endorsements either give the endorser cold feet or make the phones start ringing off the hook from Clinton people trying to get them to stop. Look what happened when Lewis first floated a switch? You know Bill (and HRC) were on the phone with him seconds after the first NYT piece hit.

When I read the initial story, I thought the same thing. It reeked of poor journalism to not say they had contacted the campaign and tell us what the campaign had said.

So I was skeptical from the jump.

It is a Murdoch rag.

Damn, you folks are gullible.

Remember the fake WSJ/NBC poll?

Do you know what credibility means?

Nevermind, you are Obama supporters.

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You're still pushing that line about the WSJ/NBC poll? I realize you're a troll and all, but you should at least keep yourself informed.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/pollster_we_did_not_oversample.php

Fake poll?

Interesting... the numbers in the WSJ/NBC poll have been supported by the numbers from PPP, Gallup, and Rassmusen.

I suppose it's a wild anti-Clinton conspiracy, right?

Stick a fork in her, she's done.

Clinton can't pay her bills.

She is running out of money.

The superdelegates are clearly turning in favor of Obama.

Obama maintains a significant lead in NC, IN, OR and MT.

This race is over the day after NC/IN.


The moment candidates start saying "I am in this until the end!"... the campaign is on a death watch.

I am guessing this is a last ditch effor to raise some cash to pay all of the outstanding bills.

But you go ahead and keep living in denial.

"Boo Hoo Boo Hoo! Bill told me that I could be President if I didn't leave him when he got caught having sexual relations with that intern. Boo Hoo!"

Obama maintains a significant lead in NC, IN, OR and MT.

Do you have polling data from IN and MT to back that up? I have not seen anything lately from either of those states, so I would be very interested to see such numbers if you could point me to them.

The best timing for this would be between the PA and NC primaries. The local angle of the NC delegation endorsing Obama would blunt any case for Clinton's viability based on a PA win. I'm guessing he probably has some Indiana reps lined up as well for after 4/22. At the same time, anything that suggests the party is rallying to Obama before the PA primary would be helpful there, so they can't be too upset that the story is out there. I expect we'll still see lots of non-NC or -IN endorsements between now and 4/22 to drive the point home. Can't wait for Mark Penn's memo telling us about Obama's electability problems if he can't win PA even as the automatic delegates are rallying to him.

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Not that facts matter much here, but the WSJ is one of the most credible news organizations around. The reporting side is quite distinct from the editorial side, which is neanderthal.

Who is an idiot? You can't even READ. Did I say Obama himself claimed the supers would go his way? NO - what I said was "The Obama camp is pathetic. If they have the slightest indication that someone is leaning their way - they broadcast it to the world and then look like chumps when it doesn't materialize."

The Obama camp is his campiagn formally or his supporters behind the scenes.

Reading is fundamental. You should try it sometime.

And you should see the forest for the trees. If you think there is anything other than a significant move by supers to Obama then you're in fantasyland. Not too bad for a "pathetic" campaign.

Reading is fundamental, and since you proudly trumpet your lack of reading comprehension skills twice in one thread, I feel the need to jump in and call you on it.

Obama's campaign did not broadcast the first rumor on super Tuesday. Tom Brokaw reported it, citing "a very credible source". An hour or so later, the Obama campaign released a memo denying it and specifically called it a "rumor" floated by the Clinton campaign to tinker with expectations.

This time, again, the Obama campaign didn't prematurely broadcast any endorsement. The Wall Street Journal reported these endorsements without citing a source. Hours later, the Obama campaign released a memo denying it, again.

See a pattern? Some news organization reports it, without verifying it with the campaign, and the campaign quickly releases a memo denying it. These are rumors, but they are not being spread by the Obama campaign. We really have no way of knowing who is spreading them at this point, so it would be IDIOTIC to declare something like, you know, the "Obama camp is pathetic. If they have the slightest indication someone is leaning their direction, they broadcast it to the world." Now, that would be pathetic.

The Obama campaign also vehemently denied that they anyone associated with the campaign had any communications with the Canadian embassy in Washington. Only when the Canadian press had hard evidence released did they admit the truth that a campaign advisor had conversations with a Candian Embassy not in Washington. And this is new politics. He knew he was parsing when he made the fake non-denial. Someone has been very closely taking notes from the GWB press office.

The moral of the story is if you believe campaign press releases and denials without any scrutiny, then you my dear, are truly the IDIOTIC one.

Gullible oBAHHHHma sheep. It would be cute if it wasn't so pathetic.

Reading is fundamental, and since you proudly trumpet your lack of reading comprehension skills twice in one thread, I feel the need to jump in and call you on it.

Obama's campaign did not broadcast the first rumor on super Tuesday. Tom Brokaw reported it, citing "a very credible source". An hour or so later, the Obama campaign released a memo denying it and specifically called it a "rumor" floated by the Clinton campaign to tinker with expectations.

This time, again, the Obama campaign didn't prematurely broadcast any endorsement. The Wall Street Journal reported these endorsements without citing a source. Hours later, the Obama campaign released a memo denying it, again.

See a pattern? Some news organization reports it, without verifying it with the campaign, and the campaign quickly releases a memo denying it. These are rumors, but they are not being spread by the Obama campaign. We really have no way of knowing who is spreading them at this point, so it would be IDIOTIC to declare something like, you know, the "Obama camp is pathetic. If they have the slightest indication someone is leaning their direction, they broadcast it to the world." Now, that would be pathetic.

Re. dijamo

DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

From Newsweek Magazine:

"Should Obama become the Democratic nominee, [affirmative action] could be one of the tougher issues on which to find common ground. Ward Connerly, a prominent opponent of affirmative action, is pushing to get referendums on the subject onto ballots in at least five states this fall. Affirmative action, he says, "is probably the most difficult race issue [Obama] will have to face." If the candidate denounces affirmative action, Connerly predicts, "his support among blacks will plummet from around 80 to 50 percent. Then, bear in mind that much of his support in Iowa, Vermont and Wyoming came from white males, who by a margin of 70 to 30 [percent] oppose affirmative action."

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Thanks for the heads up. So, affirmative action will be this year's abortion referendum? The divide to conquer mentality at work.

Reading is fundamental - and so being so impatient to see your own drivel on the screen that you issue an annoying double post. But I digress.

It is SO logical that Tom Brokaw would take a leak that Obama is about to get 50 super dels after Super Tuesday from a Hillary supporter and go on air spouting nonsense on the news. Get real - the leak came from inside the Obama camp and they pulled the trigger too early. Did the Obama campaign deny anyone on their behalf issued the leak. No they issued the same carefully parsed dare I say "the depends ontwhat the definition if 'is' is" non-denial as in the NAFTA flap. Yeah real believeable.

Give me one logical reason why Senator Clinton's camp would be putting forth false stories that superdelegates are defecting enmasse? To make Obama look foolish? His camp is doing a fine job in that on their own with their premature congratulations over non-confirmed delegates to try to project the inevitability of his winning and that he has momentum.

I know you conspiracy theorists are convinced that Hillary is responsible for everything bad that happens, but sometimes you've just got to admit that your candidate and his campaign are not perfect and they do make mistakes. This is another one.

Wow, you are obnoxious. You seem to believe you are omniscient, but you aren't.

1. I wasn't impatient; my computer and TPM don't get along. It's happened before and had nothing to do with me not waiting for my post to appear. It's embarassing and something I avoid but cannot help.

2. You still have no credible evidence as to the source of Brokaw's rumor.

3. The Obama camps denials were emphatic, contrary to what you claim. They specifically stated that it was false and just a rumor, but pointing that out to you is like spitting in the wind.

4. I don't need to come up with a reason why Hillary would float rumors because I never claimed it was her. I simply claimed no one can know the source of the rumors because the newspapers didn't report them.

5. NAFTA-gate, if that's what we're calling it, is a complete farce of a scandal. But not enough time to go into that.

And just to source how the Obama camp (meaning supporters & the formal campiagn itself) were directly responsible for the rumors of the 50 supers jumping to Obama - here's a direct quote for his cochairman in Missouri. Try the Google sometime and educate yourselves. Unless Hillary is impersonating him, some IDIOTS on this thread need to face reality rather than trying to pin everything on the Clinton campiagn.

Rep. Lacy Clay (D-MO), Sen. Barack Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate, said Obama will gain the support of 50 undecided Democratic superdelegates later this week, according to the Columbia Missourian.
Said Clay: "She (Sen. Clinton) will not make up those numbers. This race is over."

He actually low-balled it. The Obama campaign has gotten 64 super-delegate endorsements since Super Tuesday.

Clay was wrong that they would endorse on the same day, and was wrong that it would be 50.

It's actually been 64. How do you like them apples?

EXCELLENT - so now you are no longer denying the fact that the Obama campaign is responsible for the claim that 50 super dels were going to jump ship enmasse in a show of support. Thanks for facing reality. So I assume you are going to retract your clearly erroneous point #2 above. Brokaw himself said the original source was close to the Obama campaign when he confirmed it - he repeated it twice before the Obama campaign began dialing back expectations.

I guess your baseless claim that the Brokaw 50 dels rumor was started by the Clinton campaign has been thoroughly debunked - which was my point. You have proven yourself to be the idiotic one. Thanks for playing :)

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Clay's statement came the day after Brokaw's report, and on the same day that the Obama campaign denied the story. How does that prove the Obama campaign was the source of the story?

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