Obama Campaign Attacks Hillary's Character -- Blasts Her As "Untrustworthy"
In a sign that the Obama camp may recognize that they haven't pushed back aggressively enough against Hillary's questioning of his electability, Obama advisers went after her electability today on a conference call.
To do this, Obama advisers unloaded big time on Hillary's character, hitting her character more aggressively than they have thus far by hammering away at the fact that some polls show that high numbers of voters view her as untrustworthy.
"We believe that this is a really important issue as super-delegates decide who will be electable in the fall," Plouffe said. "The American people are not going to elect someone who isn't seen as honest and trustworthy."
Plouffe added that she has "issues around trustworthiness" that would make it very tough sledding for her in the fall. Obama advisers have yet to point to McCain's alleged "straight-talking" to press this point, but one imagines that they will soon enough.
Keep in mind, as always, that the target of this argument is the super-dels. While the Obama campaign has already hit Hillary's character in the past by saying that she'll say and do anything to win, this attack on her honesty strikes me as the opening up of a major new front in the battle.
Late Update: The Hillary camp releases an extensive rebuttal to the Obama camp's charges.















The politics of hope at work.
March 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn straight. Yes We Can hope that these people finally go away for good.
March 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
But NO WE CAN'T let peolpe vote in FL and MI Obama: Change When It's Convenient
March 21, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I realize hypocricy is a familiar garment for Hillary's camp, but it is still an unbecoming one. Hillary had absolutely no problem with hitting Michigan and Florida with the penalty they knew was in the rules back when she thought she had the nomination in her pocket. Her touching concern for their sacred right to break the rules and get away with it only materialized when it looked like they could be useful to her. And, of course, once the voting in the four early states she had made a commitment to was over.
If Florida and Michigan had scheduled revotes back after their rogue primaries in January, they could be having elections in April and there would be no problems. Instead, in no small part because they thought Hillary was going to save them from the consequences of their own misconduct, the pols in those two states Michigan and Florida played chicken with the DNC. Their cars are going over the cliff and Hillary is the one who egged them on. So, of course, it's all Obama's fault.
March 21, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, Obama should choose to disenfranchise millions of people because a few of their leaders did something stupid? That is a new style of politics--do and say anything to win.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/DNC_on_the_record_for_Michigan.html
Why did he let the re-vote die? "Legal Concerns" isn't enough. Where is this leadership he keeps claiming he has? He couldn't bring people together and compromise on this issue? So much for the premise of his campaign.
March 21, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently you've confused Obama with the Michigan and Florida legislatures and governors.
March 21, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, you can't click on the link I provided and read that the ball was in Obama's court. He did nothing. He let the re-vote die.
Politics of Disenfranchisement
March 21, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politics of suck it up, you pouty hypocrite. Hillary's not arguing for voters, she's arguing for votes.
March 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just can't get over how these people think Hillary would EVER consider seating the delegates if she was in Obama's position. Moreover, can you imagine some of the people here in that scenario? Oh, there would be so much smarminess about the rules. Knowing these two hypothetical (but likely) outcomes, I can't say I have any sympathy for these sore losers.
March 21, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was pretty darn funny when Hillary used to run around and say she was in the 'solutions business'. But she couldn't pull of a solution to her FL and MI delegate problem. Perhaps is she spent less time complaining about Obama and more time offering positive solutions to the FL and MI problem that would benefit everybody, she might gain some credibility on her character.
March 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Michigan/Florida fiasco is going to bite us in the ass unless Howie gets off his vermont ass and do something. If I am Gov. Grandholm I am taking my delegation to Denver and sitting my ass down. Someone going not to give them credentials? Call Howie's bluff and send the Obmamaistas a message on real politics!
March 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
another_reader. Here is Wapo whacking HRC with facts. Enjoy.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html
March 21, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's time someone ropes Hillary off the stage. The specious reasoning that has become her whole campaign platform doesn't make her candidacy any more viable. At this point, she's nothing more than a Mike Huckabee with fangs, waging a useless war of attrition that hinders on an unlikely self-inflicted wound (no, Wright didn't do him in, and telling that to the internet doesn't make it any more likely to happen). If Obama needs to roll up his sleeves and take her to town, then so be it. If you want to keep it up with the unelectablility arguments, then fine. I can't stop you, no matter how throwaway I think they are. But the people have spoken, the delegates have spoken, and the superdelegates seem in the process of speaking, so it'd seem that both the majority and the influential few want Obama to represent the party. Lament the ignorance of the American electorate all you want, but if Obama loses, all they're obliged to do is reflect on their decision. America (one would hope) is still fundamentally a democracy--we're not at the point where we can (openly) embrace a bloated, corrupt plutocracy. To the elected, not the salesman, goes the nomination. I'm willing to chew on a potential mistake, but I won't accept some slezy, backdoor political deal done in "America's" interests. Suffering defeat under someone I believe in would be a far greater fate than to be fucked in my ass by best intentions.
The only ones who hold Obama up to this cartoonish and impossible standard of moral conduct are the wannabe cynics who criticize him. I've never been so naive as to equate a "new kind of politics" with non-politics. Obama can finish her off if for all I care. Someone needs to put that campaign of hers out of its misery. Besides, if we've learned anything from the Roman Coliseum, it's that since civilization began, people have always enjoyed a good deathblow.
March 21, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tom, your being quite silly about the nature of party politics and the nomination. There is no reason that the process needs to be fair..or equitable. Re:R Nader Green Party Candidate that doesn't belong to the Green Party. Hell we aren't even picking a candidate based on people that are actually members of the party. WE allow every tom dick and tina to vote in our primaries which is an utter joke and provides results like this! Please save your "we aren't going to stand for back room politics" for something that makes sense.
March 21, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"we aren't going to stand for back-room politics"? I said "I." My opinion. The only thing Hillary has to justify her getting the nomination is the specter that is Obama's "unelectability"--i.e., Wright. Frankly, I haven't heard a real reason behind that aside from "oh, the Republicans will eat him alive!" Hillary will deal with just as much mud, with the added disadvantage of having the Clinton brand name being strongly disliked along partisan lines.
She can keep running, of course, but it's pure vainglory. And, entertaining the operatic demise of her hubris would be to watch, I'd rather we just fast-forward to the inevitable.
March 21, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what had to be done. Hillary simply isn't electable when most Americans don't trust her.
March 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
He is trying to get this done fast because as the Wright imbroglio is not going to be cured by his speech and his own negatives on this point are probably rising sharply.
March 21, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just looking at yesterday’s CBS poll, you can see why the Obama camp would make this argument. Even after the beating he’s taken, Clinton’s unfavorables are 10 points higher than McCain and 13 points higher than Obama. Obama has 16 point spread favorable/unfavorable. Clinton has a negative 2 point spread favorable/unfavorable. For all her claims of being tested, the answer to the test seems to be that the American people don’t like her all that much.
March 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh, and all this time I thought you were about principle merle....
March 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is a dangerous approach, especially in light of the fact that Obama had not exactly been the most forthcoming of individuals in regards to the Rezko affair and this Wright ordeal.
March 21, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad they're doing this. We now know with certainty that she lied about NAFTA. We know she engaged in some pretty egregious resume-padding about her foreign policy credentials. We know she exaggerated or perhaps even fabricated her claims to have been a prime mover in enacting the Family & Medical Leave Act and the State Children's Health Program. We still don't know what crap hidden in her tax returns or in the many White House records that have not yet been revealed. It's time to hold her accountable.
March 21, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
We know that Obama is currently lying on NAFTA -- there is a memo in Canada to prove that. Hillary was the equivalent to a senior a.dvisor to Bill -- as policy wonks it is hard to imagine that they didn't debate almost all issues.
As to preferring judgment over experience Obama states that he asked Rezko whether there was a problem and believed the answer.
I have seen in a blog but not confirmed that the bills that Obama helped pass in Illinois after the legislature turned Democratic were given to him to burnish his credentials for the Senate race.
March 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama Lying about NAFTA? Have you been living under a rock?
"Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?
As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."
But the White House records confirm that this is not true.
Her statement is, to be precise, a lie."
Great Article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080320/cm_thenation/1300860;_ylt=AhD1PjmkVgnHKHwWp9XQiz8DW7oF
March 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your all silly for arguing NAFTA one way or another. Its not a matter of Nafta would be nice if it was...its a matter of jobs flowing to Asia.........Get in the real world please
March 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Catch up, AJM! Turns out Canadians can't tell Clinton and Obama apart - the NAFTA memo came from the CLINTON campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOLEK2lr3CM
March 21, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooops...wrong again
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html
March 21, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama-NAFTA story line has been proven to be cooked up bullshit manufactured by aides to Prime Minister Stephen Harper in cahoots with U.S. GOP operatives.
In fact, the real story was just the opposite -- it was Hillary, not Obama, who was winking and nodding to Canada -- though this was ignored by the moronic U.S. media. As the Toronto Globe & Mail reported:
"Mr. Brodie [Harper's chief of staff], apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing."
It's Hillary who won Ohio by lying about her position on NAFTA.
March 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Moose you've lost your marbles. There is no way on earth that Harper would be in cahoots with republicans here in the US. There is nothing that Canada would love more than have a chance to renegotiate Nafta. That is why it was Obama. The Canadian official was doing something distinctly Canadian and making sure there wasn't a fuss over the matter.
March 21, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch, no, actually you're pretty wrong on this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOLEK2lr3CM
March 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally! Sheesh.
March 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Politics of Hope do not necessarily translate to the Politics of Nice.
March 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
chicagobama,
From History we know that he Politics of Hope do often translate to the Politics of Hate.
Communism is a good example.
March 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here in VA she will lose by double digits. People in this state truly do not like her or her brand of politics.
Obama would be VERY competitive here and I would say he would carry the state, but it would be close.
March 21, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
There in the lovely state of VA sits a former Gov. and now Mayor that said that there would be riots in the streets if his Candidate(obama) didn't get the nomination. Nice little threat from a typical Obamaista
March 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 21, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Then why did the Gallup poll say Obama was more trustworthy than Clinton?
March 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Give it some time. Look at the trends.
March 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well she very often refuses to tell the truth, and she will frequently trade honesty for political expedience (most politicians do to soem extent, but it's just that the Clintons are very very good at it).
But I think this strategy is a little to obvious--a little to Wolfson-esque. It would be much more effective to highlight the specific issues and situations where her honesty is questionable than to make this into: "i read a poll and it says she's not electable because of X."
Maybe the advisors are getting tired, and need a few days off to relax and get their creativity back.
March 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only way that Hillary can win the nomination without fracturing the party, and losing in November, is to win more selected delegates than Senator Obama.
That is the only way. If Senator Obama goes to the convention with more selected delegates than Hillary then he is the rightful nominee.
All this nonsense about how Hillary would be more electable in November is pointless. There is no way to prove that. If she does not win the most selected delegates, then she will go to the convention as the loser. We do not send the loser of the semi-final match on to the championship bout. It is an absurd notion.
Just a little reality check for all those who may be buying into the Hillary, as a winner, spin coming from her camp.
Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.
She had every advantage in that State, and had an enormous lead over the rest of the field. She finished up in third place. Senator Obama beat the odds on favorite, Hillary, and she did not even come in second.
She has squandered huge leads in many states. Look at how far ahead she was in Texas, just weeks before the held their primary.
To the winner belong the spoils. This is America. We do not hold Coronations here to Crown some loser.
To the winner belongs the spoils, and to the spoiler belongs the whines.
March 21, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liam,
In case you haven't noticed the party is already fractured. Putting it back together...probably isn't in the cards. Shades of '68 or '80. Hope it isn't so...but I doubt that I am wrong. Only can hope that McLieberman has to go so far right that his middle comes home
March 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
So far, sounds more like a hit on the voters' perception of her honesty and trustworthiness than a hit on her actual honesty and trustworthiness.
I'm not saying her honesty and trustworthiness aren't fair game, nor am I saying Obama's team has never hit her on that before. I'm just saying that that's a different argument than they seem to be saying here.
High levels of people who think Hillary is not trustworthy and lacks credibility and character are are constants going back to the early pre-announcment polls and those numbers have never really improved. In an election against Straight Talkin' Hero John McCain, he who's veracity and integrity are beyond question by the MSM, and who the MSM will actively protect against any such attack, those numbers, and the perception that fuels them, are potentially disasterous and she has done absolutely nothing to address that perception. On the contrary, every time she puts Wolfson and Penn out in front of the media to feed the rabble (as they evidently think of the voters) yet another chain of self-evident whoppers that contradict what they said last week, she only has only reinforced that perception.
March 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was trying to avoid the "politics of personal destruction"
Was has emerged though, is a huge amount of credible evidence that Hillary is exaggerating and outright lying.
The problem for the Obama camp, is to highlight these truths without seeming to attack personally.
It is in Obama's favor that the MSM is doing this for him. Not taking Hillary on her word alone, but looking at the facts (first lady documents) and see if they confirm or contradict her statements.
So far there has only been contradictions. Hillary has ignored these and continues to push the misinformation, misstatements, exaggerations - Oh hell, lets just call them what they are. LIES!
March 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no, he'd never attack personally. He's much to principled for that......sure...
March 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, please use the word "Attacks" when you talk about Clinton's campaign strategies as well.
Thanks.
March 21, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're just noting what the polls are saying:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105097/Perceived-Honesty-Gap-Clinton-Versus- Obama-McCain.aspx
i.e., she's unelectable
March 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are not hopemonger. You are hatemonger, like your dear leader.
March 21, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Clinton is viewed as trustworthy by 44 percent of respondents; Obama by 63 percent. A majority - 53 percent - view Clinton as untrustworthy.
Tell me more about Obama's electability problems.
March 21, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quinnipiac Poll just out: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1161
shows both Clinton and Obama defeating McCain in New York, but here's what Mickey Carroll says:
"It's a blue state, remember. Sen. McCain would lose to either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama by almost the same double-digit margin," said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
"But those racial and gender breakdowns are troubling for the Democrats. If Obama trails among white voters in New York, one of the most liberal states in the nation, what does that say about his chances in other states?"
A Black man just ascended to the Governorship in New York and it's no big deal (even though it's a first). The state is getting Bluer every day. But still Obama loses the White vote 47 - 40. He has an electability problem.
March 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what's the problem? Obama has a bigger lead than Clinton. Do black votes not count? Do white votes count double?
March 21, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pre-poll elections in a Hillary state.
If Obama is the candidate, they'll be voting for him.
March 21, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's a memo. Halperin has it on his site.
March 21, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama advisers have yet to point to McCain's alleged "straight-talking" to press this point, but one imagines that they will soon enough."
Don't be such a tool. So now you have stooped to assuming all campaigns would lower themselves to providing soundbites and endorsements of the Republican nominee to win their primary, because Hillary has done so. When will you realize that Clinton is a special breed?
March 21, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unlike the flimsy "experience" attack, Obama is actually honest and trustworthy himself, so this is a good line for him to push. Well done.
Also, this shows Obama is looking ahead to the GE battle (unlike HRC with her "experience" line, which she would loose in 20 seconds flat to McCain). Very presidential. Very smart.
March 21, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that HRC is willing to do anything, no matter how dirty, to get the win says a lot about the blind ambition she holds, which is what the founding fathers warned about. The made the presidential selection process specifically to weed out candidates like HRC.
Obama should continue to point this out every day until she croaks.
March 21, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
It’s really funny how foolish Obama cultists are.
In their minds, Obama is a perfect one we have been waiting for. Therefore, any mild criticism of him shows that “HRC is willing to do anything, no matter how dirty, to get the win”. On another hand, HRC is a monster, therefore any smear against her is just telling like it is.
The Obama movement is a dangerous totalitarian moment of hate.
March 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not engaging in any hyperbole at all, are we there?
March 21, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, it's a sad truth.
March 21, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, the truth is, if you believe what you post here, you are an idiot. Otherwise, you're a cynical liar.
March 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got no problem with anyone who supports Clinton as a general matter--just the intellectual dishonesty that some of her supporters engage in. Repeating false shit or exaggerating shit without evidence to support their false conclusions.
So if you want to champion her, be my guest. If you start peddaling demonstrably false shit, I'll call you on it. Your opinion, well, that's your own and I'm not really interested.
Obama '08
March 21, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This little rant does nothing to advance the conversation. Could you please address the subject of the thread (Obama campaign strategy) and keep the personal digs to yoursself?
Thanks.
March 21, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Voila! The Obama campaign has now shifted into the highest gear of Republican talking points.
Lovely.
Greg Sargent's first sentence should have been:
The "untrustworthy" meme is a well-known Republican smear with a history dating back to Newt Gingrich. It was used again by New York Republicans against Hillary Clinton during her runs for the U.S. Senate. Unfortunately, TPM has been far too Obama-entranced for far too long to be able to offer objective analysis of the primary race of use to all Democrats anymore. This quote by hammering away at the fact that some polls show that high numbers of voters view her as untrustworthy is the dead giveaway that TPM is not objective. If you don't believe me, try a little Goggling.
As Rove famously smeared in Newsweek: "How do we beat the [rhymes with witch]?"
Answer: You get personal.
This is not for the superdelegates, as Greg theorizes. It's directed at the PA voters in an attempt to stop the hemorrhaging in the head-to-head polls there.
Thanks, Greg, for doing your part to pass it along, unwittingly or not.
March 21, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is a "typical white person", that's all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKosxf914ps
Obama lied about what he heard of Rev. Wright on Friday vs. his later comments. Oh, today's Rasmussen Polls are out and Senator Obama is a UNFAV 50% FAV 48%.
From the poll:
On Friday, Obama’s favorable ratings remain little changed from recent days—48% favorable, 50% unfavorable. Before the Pastor Problem became big news, Obama was viewed favorably by 52%. One month ago, he was viewed favorably by 56%. The number with a Very Unfavorable opinion of Obama has increased from 26% a week ago to 33% today.
March 21, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well Mr. Marginal Player,
Here is how you describe yourself:
# Age: 52
# Politics: DLC Moderate
# Party: DEM (HILLARY), McCain otherwise
No need for anyone to pay any further attention to a party traitor like you. Of course Hillary agrees with you that if she does not get her way, then McCain should be the Commander in Chief.
Hillary is the new Lieberman.
March 21, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liam, its the "progressive" side of the party that got us into this mess in 1980.....bolting for Ralph Nader over god knows what reason and giving GWB the chance he needed to steal the election.............
March 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama released the photo of Bill Clinton with Reverend Wright because it makes an important point:
Reverend Wright was around to bail Bill Clinton's ass out of hot water, but the Clinton's happily threw Wright under the bus, by actively promoting the Wright/Obama nonsense.
Remember the tearful prayer breakfast? Black religious leaders, rallying to the side of the Clintons? Reverend Wright was there for Bill and Hill.
That's gratitude, Clinton-style. They can't be trusted. They used black religious leaders to rehab Bill's tanking Presidency, then screwed them.
March 21, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
O'Dochartaigh said: "I think this is a dangerous approach, especially in light of the fact that Obama had not exactly been the most forthcoming of individuals in regards to the Rezko affair and this Wright ordeal."
That is completely and demonstrably false, especially when it comes to Rezko. Take a look at this article from the Chicago Tribune, especially this segment:
"On Friday, Obama sat down with the Tribune and Sun-Times and said, in effect, "ask me anything you want about my dealings with Tony Rezko," the politically connected developer who is now on trial on corruption charges. No shortcuts. No unanswered questions. He answered, patiently and in detail. We can't recall a similar discussion with any political figure."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0320edit1mar20,0,430844.story
No, that's not forthcoming at all.
March 21, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama advisers have yet to point to McCain's alleged "straight-talking" to press this point, but one imagines that they will soon enough.
I certainly hope they have more sense than to do that. There's no good reason to reinforce an opponent's false narrative.
I can understand in a tactical sense why the Clinton campaign did that, since they have few other options than the "kitchen sink" (though I think it was a really bad strategic move), but the Obama camp isn't in the same straits.
March 21, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess Plouffe forgot to mention this was a poll taken before the recent events. The poll was taken 3/14-16/08, Obama has done a nose dive since then. I am sure if they took the same poll today, Obama would have dropped dramatically on the issue of character.
But I guess the gloves are off and Obama's camp has to get nasty to try to save whatever they can. It really is time for Obama to step aside before the democrats are so entrenched they have no way to win in November.
March 21, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, "quit while you're ahead"?
March 21, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
To quote Elvis Costello, "I used to be disgusted/and now I try to be amused."
It's pretty hilarious how partisans of each side accuse Greg of bias for failing to condemn the election tactics of the other side while reporting on them, in a blog called "Election Central."
To paraphrase the old put-down of comedy-club hecklers ("Yeah, I remember my first beer...") -- yeah, I remember my first campaign...
Get a grip, people. If you think anyone who tells you what the other side is saying is automatically biased, you might as well stick to your campaign's website, where you can see nothing but cheerleading.
March 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama met for 90 minutes with reporters from the Chicago Sun Times and Chicago Tribune letting them ask whatever question they want about Rezko. How much more forthcoming do you want him to be?
March 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, sure. Obama is ahead by 800,000 popular votes and well over 100 delegates, leads that are impossible to erase. But he should step aside.
It's amusing to see Clinton supporters accuse Obama supporters of being immature and brainwashed. Between seeing what's posted here and speaking with people, what strikes me about Clinton supporters is the venom and contempt they hold for Obama and his supporters,the lack of logic behind their opinions, and the amount of propaganda they spout. Talk about a cult.
March 21, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Just like there was a memo from 10 Downing Street that "proved" that Iraq could attack London in moments.
That must be where she got the idea that it's normal policy for America to invade a sovereign nation at maximum force level, WITHOUT PROVOCATION.
I mean, that's just the way World affairs are properly handled by nations with integrity.
March 21, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, slouch.....Yeah your Candidate..on what the trail? Lincoln Trail? whatever....yeah well if I was actually part of the process I would have voted against the war. yeah thats what I would have done. That is...if I had been there.....though , I wasn't there. But by golly if I had been there..i'd been against the war. Please thats the most empty argument from the emptiest suit that has ever run for the Dem nomination
March 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You post a link to their rebuttal, but never posted Obama's memo. Interesting.
March 21, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Polls are showing Obama is losing ground,, now that reality is coming about, and this "man of all men" is showing his true colors, time will tell if he can really get ALL of the dems behind him... I say he can't.
3/21/2008
MEMO: Obama Campaign: Just Words
To: Interested Parties
From: The Clinton Campaign
Date: March 21, 2008
RE: Obama Campaign: Just Words
At this point, it’s no secret that the Obama campaign is in political hot water given the news stories of the last few weeks and is desperate to change the subject.
The ground is shifting away from them and their response?
First, disenfranchise voters - Prevent new votes in Florida and Michigan. Stop voting in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia and Indiana.
Second, peddle photos of President Clinton shaking hands with Reverend Wright less than 48 hours after calling for a high-minded conversation on race. Well, President Clinton took tens of thousands of photos during his eight years as president. Stop the presses.
Third, accuse our campaign of having something to do with Senator Obama’s passport file being breached, a reckless charge that has zero merit.
Fourth, continue attacks on Senator Clinton’s character in an effort to implement what the Chicago Tribune called a full assault on her ethics.
Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns, no state records, no answers about the inconsistencies in the Rezko story.
So it’s not a pretty sight - it’s all part of a pattern of just words.
Senator Obama talks about voter participation while actively disenfranchising millions.
He calls for high minded debates while practicing lowdown politics.
He promises a different kind of campaign while attacking Hillary’s character.
He promises transparency while hiding basic info and stonewalling the press.
It’s no wonder that Americans are coming to see that for all of his lofty rhetoric, Senator Obama’s candidacy is really just words.
It’s no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about his ability to answer the 3am call.
It’s no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it’s amateur hour in Chicago.
March 21, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You say "tomato," I say "bullshit." It doesn't matter, however, because ultimately you're going to stick by your girl. So why even take the time to write these stupid comments?
Give up on this disenfranchisement argument already. Hillary does not care about voters, she cares about votes. In a reverse scenario, she'd never give this to Obama, and you'd never ask her to. In fact, I'd be willing to bet, that given your undying support of Hillary no matter what she does, you'd just cite "the rules" as often as any Obama supporter is doing now. You'd also be justified in doing so. But please, drop the self-righteous hypocrisy here. Your hissy-fit is so transparent.
Supporting Hillary is one thing. You have your reasons, they're personal and as sacred as anyone else's. But stop trying to argue against Obama. You're upset about Clinton, I get it. But throwing empty points against Obama like a teenage girl throws stuffed animals against her bedroom wall during a temper tantrum is stupid. You're acting like a snot-nosed brat.
March 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom, we all promise from now to stop writing our bullshit. We promise from now we will all align ourselves into good obamaista talking points and follow the obvious herd of lemmings jumping off the bridge.
March 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're miserably stale, is all. Tired complaints from a tired, embittered campaign. It's not like you're fighting the good fight here, or bringing groundbreaking, staggeringly revelatory insight to bear on Obama's candidacy. Most of you are just one sour cauldron of tears--part Rezko, part Wright, part disenfranchisement myth, and all rubbish. I suppose it's your right to comment, and perhaps it has some cathartic quality I don't understand, but that doesn't address the fact that it's dumb--both in terms of the actual points and the folly of thinking that making them symbolizes some kind of brave internet Alamo. No, that doesn't mean having to talking in accordance with Obama talking points, but your own could certainly stand to be smarter. Be sure that it goes the same for some of these so-called Obamaniacs, too. There's no nobility in bush-league arguments, so please don't take pride because you're being told to shut up. It's not the spirit of voicing one's views that's at issue, Louisville. It's the validity of one's points.
March 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
another_reader and HRC shills/trolls
Here is one more HRC lie nailed about her "record" money raise last month.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
Read and weep.
March 21, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okkkkk. Like this is news? The clintons are untrustworthy? Hello. I think we could probably all agree on this one, even the clintonistas. They are probably the most morally challenged and untrustworthy people in the country. That's why the clinton lovers love them. It's like that tough love syndrome. Untrustworty? Too funny.
March 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Michael A, George W. Bush polls lower than Hillary Clinton in the trustworthy department. Not that that's something to crow about. But she's not rock bottom in the country. :-)
Last summer Clinton's "trustworthiness" polls were the highest among all the Dem candidates. Probably because she was the best known of all of them.
March 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politics as usual
March 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sort of foolishness being resorted to by both the Obama and Clinton people, whether over irrelevancies such as his preacher's beliefs or her "character" (code for "she's a bitch who nobody likes") or her schedule as First Lady is a product of the sad truth that they really don't disagree much on any issues. They are the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum of corporate centrist Democrats. Their nearly identical positions on issues means that without these stupid criticisms about things that should not be our focus there really is no significant policy difference between them.
Both of them are so invested in playing it safe on the issues (which means they don't want to take "controversial" stands like being a full blown Democrat on health care, the war, protecting our Constitutional rights, etc...)that they prefer these idiotic, demeaning games.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you consider that whichever of them is nominated and assuming they actually get elected, the outcome in terms of policies and programs will be identical. Unfortunately, that identical outcome will be the usual half-measures and meek attempts at incrementalist change instead of the substantive and meaningful change the entire nation yearns for. A pity really isn't it?
March 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally!
March 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, basically they are replaying the old talking point that
SHE'S A DESPERATE LYING BITCH WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO WIN. MONSTAH!
Now we can all sit back and hope for change. Perhaps we can change the record first?
March 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this whole "lying/untrustworthy" rap is taken from the old Republican trash-talking campaign about Bill Clinton. I don't see Hillary Clinton that way and neither do these millions of people who are voting for her. Regarding the allegations that she lied about originally being against NAFTA--as I read on this site, David Gergen was in the White House meetings when NAFTA was argued about and said she was "distinctly unenthusiastic...(I) always felt she had reservations." David Gergen seems like a very honest person. And regarding Obama now calling her untrustworthy--this is definitely going to come back and bite HIM. After the Wright and Renzo revelations, many people now don't trust him. He seems to be masterful at throwing accusations against him back against his detractors. But people will quickly wise up to this. It's counterproductive because it's the old grubby politics he said he was above.
March 22, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink