Obama Memo: "No Support For Claim That Clinton Has Passed `Commander-In-Chief Test'"

Signaling a sustained and more aggressive counterattack against Hillary's "commander-in-chief test" assault, the Obama campaign has a new memo out from foreign policy adviser Greg Craig that goes after Hillary's claim to foreign policy seasoning with a sledgehammer:

There is no reason to believe...that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis...

The Clinton campaign’s argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed “the Commander-in-Chief test.” That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

Rough stuff -- and this is coming from a former Clinton administration State Department official, no less.

The Obama campaign has scheduled a conference call today with Iraq War vets who will attest to his commitment to veterans and the armed forces. That comes a day after a press conference with former service secretaries who praised his judgment and preparedness. Clearly, the battle is fully engaged now.

Full memo after the jump.

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton’s argument that she has passed “the Commander- in-Chief test” is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue – not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role. But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims – i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign – would conclude that Senator Clinton’s claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:

Senator Clinton has said, “I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland.” It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland. She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy. But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace. As the Associated Press recently reported, “[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord.” With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role. The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that “[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one.”

News of Senator Clinton’s claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph’s report at the time, “[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times." Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: “The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it.”

Bosnia:

Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone. She has described dodging sniper fire. While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone. On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that “Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn’t hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage.”

Kosovo:

Senator Clinton has said, “I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo.” It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials. Her claim to have “negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo,” however, is not true. Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999. The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments – U.S. diplomats. President Clinton’s top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, “I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue.” Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration’s National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict. He recalls that “she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations.”

Rwanda:

Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide. When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened. Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops. No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action. Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed. Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide. It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote – urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda – in her memoirs. President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs. And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America’s failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China

Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama’s speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago. Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women’s rights. But Senator Obama’s opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force. Senator Clinton’s speech in Beijing is not.

Senator Obama’s speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment. In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called “a rash war . . . a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics.” In that speech, he said prophetically: “[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.” He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would “fan the flames of the Middle East,” and “strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda.” He urged the United States first to “finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda.”

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama’s advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation’s history. Some of the most “experienced” men in national security affairs – Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others – led this nation into that catastrophe. That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience. Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.

Conclusion:

The Clinton campaign’s argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed “the Commander-in-Chief test.” That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation – the War in Iraq – Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled “The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq.” As she cast that vote, she said: “This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.” In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued – remarkably – that she wasn’t actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy. That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience. The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment. The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization – like a blank check – to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong. In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected. Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader -- an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.


Comments (156)

Finally, a succinct clear statement going at the heart of the lie. Now the question is will the right-wing corporate media start to run with this????? It's the old political adage, practiced with gusto by the king's administration, repeat the same lie over, and over, and over again and people start to believe the lie. Let's turn the page on this garbage.

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There's the case. A good one. And the reason I have supported Senator Obama as a candidate for the Presidency since late 2006.

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Hot damn.

Nice in depth counter attack to her claim of experience....

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It's clear the media has accepted Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience at face value and have so far refused to question her on them. Perhaps it's time they do their job and examine her "credentials" - especially when there exists a lot of evidence that she has exaggerated her involvement in these incidents.




100 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON




WHAT THIS PAGE DOESN’T CONTAIN
No Vincent Foster, cocaine smuggling conspiracy theories. No dirty tricks or fraudulent smears. No right-wing BS.




WHAT THIS PAGE DOES CONTAIN
Legitimate, sourced and link filled, point by point criticism of the Hillary Clinton’s politics, positions, and staff.



well, i could argue that her prayer group thing was driven by nothing more than to curry political favor with conservative women.

the flag issue and the death penalty? probably also motivated not by her conviction but by political expedience and money.

she's guilty on 4&5.

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Another reason: She's poaching Obama's Delegates

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/11/05659/3925/970/471945

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More disinformation from Obama supporters who have been led to believe Obama is not contacting super delegates!
Of course he is! because he knows the SDs will decide the nominee.
But according to Obama supporters - if they decide on Hillary - the nomination "will be stolen from Obama!"
Obama knew the rules going in - the SDs decide the nominee.

Will the SDs decide to annoint Obama who has spent much effort dividing the Dem Party by bashing universal health care, trial lawyers, unions, social security, boomers, etc. - and FALSELY accusing the Clintons of being racists?

Obama has pushed Repubs and Indys to vote for him and "be a Dem for a day" - but will that trick result in them voting for him in Nov?

The SDs decide the nominee...


That post from Kos isn't about supers, genius. It's about elected delegates from a caucus. Read it before you bitch.

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Obama knew the rules going in - the SDs decide the nominee.

This is a Clinton supporter lecturing on knowing the rules? Talk about chutzpah...

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Game, set, match.

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Good on them for hitting back hard!

Fucking finally. Mr. Chimes-in-five-to-seven-days-later has got to get his shit together and respond in a timely fashion.

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That's five-to-seven days that the media couldn't, or wouldn't do this research themselves.

That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

Well, duh. Standard political fare. Keep repeating something (no matter how tenuous the basis for it) and people will eventually believe it to be so.

It's taken the Obama campaign three months to figure this out?

Sinbad gets some love!!!

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Finally!

She really led with her chin on this whole experience thing and hoped Obama would be unwilling to hit back. What's her response? To retreat to the tactic of genrating sympathy when she's attacked?

She witnessed the turning on of Christmas lights.

I take back everything I've ever said about her. She is cleary ready to become POTUS. Fa la la la la la la la la.

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Wow. Definitely worth reading the full memo and very well done. I'm glad to see a cohesive address of the many false claims made by the HRC campaign.

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Finally. About. Damn. Time.

Right on.

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Awesome--

Now if we could just get some push-back on the recurrent and problematic assertion of both the Clintons and the media that she's the choice of "the working class" and the "blue collar" voters.

Because, so the claim goes, Obama supporters are either kids, wealthy, or black. And, of course, none of them work.

I don't know why she hasn't been called out more for this. It might be a "subtle" race card, but it sure gets my back up when I hear it.

Odd, isn't it that unions are so supportive of Obama when he is so hostile to the needs of the worker?

Yo! Obama respond to Ferraro . . . TODAY.

McCain/Clinton '08

I see your point, but if Obama spends all his time responding to trash, he will let trash set his agenda. His campaign may know what they're doing here.

Susan Rice already did, and definitively. Why should Obama himself waste time with that crap when he's about to school her in yet another primary today?

That picture is hilariously Will Ferrell macho-like. I love it!

Ah, Thank God Sinbad got his props in the memo. He is still viable as her vp pick.

Sorry. This:

That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

needed to be in blockquotes.

It's called the validity effect. Repeat something often enough, and reporters, readers and voters will believe it to be so.

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Here's what the Obama camp has been missing so far: they only get torn down when they don't respond. Then it seems like Clinton has the upper hand. But if it's sustained attack and counter-attack, it's a wash. And a wash goes to the leader, currently, Obama.

If this were any other first lady, perhaps besides Roosevelt, the public may listen and buy into this "push back" from Obama. No American, Dem or GOP, believes that Hillary Clinton was not completely aware of what was going on and had a hand in at least a great deal of the administration.

This the essence: the American people are not going to vote for someone who they do not believe will protect them. It is that simple. Obama is going to go down like McGovern. He even refused to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group, even though there is no doubt that they are. I know many of you are going to squeel and moan about how he didn't want to give GW a new blank check. This does not matter. The GOP will paint him as weak weak weak. And he is is is.

Sinbad agrees with you! It was strength and strength alone that fortified the First Lady and I when we solved the refugee in Kosovo, er, BOSNIA!

She is powerful woman and Sinbad loves her tea!

No way the Republicans could POSSIBLY attack that kind of toughness!

Clinton/Sinbad '08 - We're both complete jokes!

MKyleM says... "weak weak weak" "is is is"

CT Hussein Voter- Is this what you meant by the "validity effect," aka Attentional Validity Effect?

I'd call that "priming". Same as "divisive divisive divisive" and "Clinton Clinton Clinton" would be priming.

Same as the way "9/11" and "Saddam Hussein" kept appearing repeatedly in the speechs by Bush and Co leading up to the invasion. It's subtle--priming--but it's different than the validity effect.

Not to be all cognitive psychology wonkhead on you...

Whatever, both methods are effective in creating a framework about a candidate. No matter how fraudulent that framework is.

And this is why time is of the essence to get on with the GE. The republican party and the republican government is setting the tone for the next level.

If the Dems do not start participating, they are toast for all the drive-by voters out there. Where is the DNC in all this? They should be working on setting the national tone.

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Keep promoting Clinton's vote on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Hell, you should start a website about it. Make posters.

I call on your fellow Clinton supporters will join you in trumpeting that vote.

Was Clinton "completely aware of what was going on" and have "a hand in " in foreign policy decisions during the 1998-2000 period when by her own admission she and Bill were not talking?

Saying it doesn't make it true.

If Obama beats the Clintons, a political GIANT, then that proves he is tough.

Hell, he's already proved he's tough by leading Hillary in all indicators.

Sure, the GOP will try to lie and slander their way to the White House. They'd do the same against Clinton.

Don't vote for your fears, vote for your hopes.

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If by "weak", you mean unwilling to start wars that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people for no reason other than to score domectic political points, than I agree with you, weak he is is is.

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This American Dem believes Obama's 'blowback'. You see, the particulars involved in the foreign policy debates that she's taking credit for spoken up themselves, stating that she had no roles whatsoever (other than perhaps turning on Christmas lights).

She herself has said that she didn't have NSC clearance. She didn't sit in on NSC meetings, nor did she get to see any of those portfolios. SHE WASN'T CLEARED. If the President was sharing that info with her, and seeking her advice on anything more than a vague sense, wouldn't he be breaching National Security?

The evidence provided thusfar indicates that he did not at any time seek her advice on 3am phone call situations. Of course, if she released her White House schedules, perhaps we'd have a clearer look at what she was actually doing. There must be some national security reason that she hasn't sought to get those out in the public over the last seven years, right?

Your assertion that no American Dem or GOP would believe it is dead wrong. For the last few months, both my wife and I thought something didn't add up. She made these claims of experience, but there's NO evidence of her active participation in the heavy lifting of any of it. Sure, she's there for the congratulatory photo-op at the end, she DEFINITELY shared the glory of those events, but she didn't DO anything.

Next she's going to get hit hard on domestic policy experience. Check this link out:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/9/111930/6389/50/472849

How, exactly, could she have been instrumental in passing FMLA if Bill Clinton signed it 13 days into his presidency???

How could she have worked on the legislation if it was originally written in 1986 (6 years before the Clintons entered the White House)?

Why then does she say she helped pass it?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/women/

Go ahead and check. Her claim is the fourth paragraph under 'Ready to Lead'.

If the evidence is CLEARLY available that she's fluffing her resume and taking credit for the work that others have done, than she needs to be called to the carpet for it.

Hillary Clinton/ Tommy Flanagan '08
"That's the Ticket!!!"

I'm thinking we should probably take a closer look at everything she's 'championed'.

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Kudos to hilzoy of Obsidian Wings.

In the conclusion of the memo they hit on their talking point about Iraq. They have to repeat this over and over and over. She need to get Hillary to defend the war vote or try to talk her way out of it.

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Greg says, "Rough stuff."

I guess this falls under the heading of the truth hurts. This statement includes no personal attacks, no half-truths, no distortions, just a recitation of the facts.

It makes me crazy that so much of the media considers such a statement to be "negative campaigning" and equates it to the Rovian sewerage that is frequently emitted from Wolfson's mouth. There is no equivalence, so stop acting as if there was.

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By the way Craig is not just a "campaign adviser", he's a former State Dept. official (director of policy planning) in the Clinton Administration. Amusingly, he was also Billy Boy's chief counsel in the impeachment proceedings. Think he knows where the Clinton bodies are buried? ;)

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I was wondering about BO ability o hit back... its taken a few days, but it seems as if they are warming up their engines...

This was a strong rebuttal by Craig, i am dying to hear Hillary's come back...

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Maybe they waited so they could hit back at the beggining of the week. Timing is everything, after all.

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If I were running for President and I were not already married I would be sorely tempted to marry Sheryl Crow. Not just because she is super hot, but because she has so much foreign policy experience.

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This is the way to do it. Calmly and methodically dissect the nonsense that Hillary has padded her experience resume with.

College Ball Coaches are fired for exaggerating LESS on their resumes! (ask ND)

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"That comes a day after a press conference with former service secretaries who praised his judgment and preparedness."

Really? I didn't see or hear one word of this anywhere. It wasn't in the news, that I saw, and there's nothing about it at TPM, is there? (Why not, I wonder?) It's not going to be much use if no one ever hears about it.

This is a great memo, that's for sure. And I'm glad to see at least THAT is covered here. But how much publicity is it going to get? FAR less than Clinton's claims, I'll bet.

To be fair to TPM they did mention that it would be happening, but a certain governor drowned out the rest of the news later in the day.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_to_push_back_harder_agai.php

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After the dust settles, somebody had better make a similar case that McCain hasn't passed the test either. Otherwise we're all playing into his hands. ...And that case can be made.

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MKyleM, that vote on the Iranian Rev. Guard was obviously a ploy to enable Bush & Co, to attack Iran if they wanted to. Some senators called it "Cheney's pipe dream." So please take that troll's point elsewhere.

I think the king and cheney's wet dream is probably more appropriate. I still can't believe that dems in the senate voted for the garbage or reid allowed it to get to the floor. Well, maybe he did thinking that it would help clinton. Outrageous.

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Silly me, I get it know.

Obama is qualified based on the fact that he gave a prophetic speech in 2002 and his work on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

I did i ever fall for that silly ad....


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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/opinion/11patterson.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Gives a good take on the subliminal message in the 'red phone' add,,,,,, does explain how it worked well in Texas,,, and maybe into PA, and wasn't even tried on Ohio
GOBAMA 08

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Silly me, I get it know.

Obama is qualified based on the fact that he gave a prophetic speech in 2002 and his work on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Why did i ever fall for that silly ad....


Now, to just get this into the hands of every PA voter in the next month.

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Pillow talk does not equal expertise.

My wife is a microbiologist. Does that make me an expert in microbiology?

What if your appendix bursts. Do you allow someone who has been married to a surgeon cut you open?

No.


Senatore Clinton was NEVER briefed on National Security measures. If, when First Lady, she never held a Security Clearance, then Senator Clinton has ZERO experience.

Pillow talk does not parlay into expertise.

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"I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as first lady. I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland," said former SDLP leader and Nobel laureate John Hume is a statement responding to critical press reports.


"She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward," said Hume.


This would appear to be an important point. Press-based criticism of Senator Clinton has been based on the public record, and what has been recorded by both Clintons in their respective autobiographies.


Hillary, some would certainly argue, knows more than what has been made public thus far about what went on behind the scenes as the peace process gathered steam.


"Anyone criticizing her foreign policy involvement should look at her very active and positive approach to Northern Ireland and speak with the people of Northern Ireland who have the highest regard for her and are very grateful for her very active support for our peace process," Hume concluded in his defense of Hillary's Irish legacy.

Hillary, some would certainly argue, knows more than what has been made public thus far about what went on behind the scenes as the peace process gathered steam.

Sinbad has thought of a way for Hillary to resolve this confusion. Hillary should release her White House records from the time of Bill's presidency!

Sinbad used these masterful skills of reason and diplomacy to solve the crisis in Bosnia!

Clinton/Sinbad '08 - Solutions, speeches, stand-up, and secrecy!

RECOMEND

If John Hume publicly defends Hillary's work in Northern Ireland, that could hurt the Obama charges.

It will be interesting to see Hillary's response.

http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=18626

That quote was released by the Clinton campaign. Hume is directly contradicted, however, by his own aide, who said:

Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "There would have been no contact with her either in person or on the phone. I was with Hume regularly during calls in the months leading up to the Good Friday Agreement when he was taking calls from the White House and they were invariably coming from the president."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&page=1

I'll take independent third pary accounts rather than self-serving statements from the candidate and her campaign.

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In a series of statements compiled by labor and fair employment advocate Inez McCormack, Clinton was lauded for her "decade-long support" of the peace process.

"We believe it is important for others to know the pivotal role Mrs. Clinton played in helping us in Northern Ireland at critical junctures in the peace process. She supported us over many years and we will always be grateful to her," said McCormack

"Hillary Clinton took risks for peace in asking me and others to bring women and communities from both traditions to affirm their capacity to work for common purpose," McCormack said.

"She used her immense influence to give women like me space to develop this work and validated it every step of the way. This approach is now taken for granted but it wasn't then. She told us that if we take risks for peace, she would stay with us on that journey. In my experience, it took hard work, attention to detail and a commitment of time and energy which she delivered steadily and where needed over the last decade," McCormack added.

Similar testimonies have been forthcoming from other women, Protestant and Catholic. They include prominent community worker Elaine Crozier, Baroness May Blood, a member of the British House of Lords, Geraldine McAteer, chief executive of the West Belfast Partnership Board, Avila Kilmurray, head of the Community Foundation for Northern Ireland, Patricia Lewsley, former member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and currently Commissioner for Children and Young People, and Joanna McVey, former CEO of the Fermanagh-published Impartial Reporter newspaper and chair of the Fermanagh Trust.

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Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 9:30am GMT 08/03/2008


"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

Lord Trimble shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume, leader of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party, in 1998. Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "There would have been no contact with her either in person or on the phone. I was with Hume regularly during calls in the months leading up to the Good Friday Agreement when he was taking calls from the White House and they were invariably coming from the president."


Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.

"And I wasn’t sure it was going to be very successful and finally a Catholic woman on one side of the table said, ’You know, every time my husband leaves for work in the morning I worry he won’t come home at night.

"And then a Protestant woman on the other side said, ’Every time my son tries to go out at night I worry he won’t come home again’. And suddenly instead of seeing each other as caricatures and stereotypes they saw each other as human beings and the slow, hard work of peace-making could move forward."

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".

Hillary Clinton meeting with Belfast women in 1995 and the teapot she admired
Hillary Clinton meeting with Belfast women
in 1995 and the teapot she admired

Among those attending were women from groups representing single parents, relationship counsellors, youth workers and a cultural society. In her 2003 autobiography "Living History", Mrs Clinton wrote about the meeting in some detail but made no claim that it was significant.

Rather than it being the first time the women had met, Mrs Clinton wrote: "Because they were willing to work across the religious divide, they had found common ground." Mary Fox, the wife of a former IRA prisoner and one of the seven women at the meeting, said she had been there on behalf of the Footprints community centre. "It was quite a political change for the women’s sector after the visit of Hillary Clinton. We would love to see her as president. She spoke to each of us and was very interested in our work. She was lovely."

Mr McDevitt said: "I’ve always had a theory that these people were already well networked. Maybe they needed a bit of bringing together and she [Mrs Clinton] was an ideal focus point." Once a peace deal was in place, Mrs Clinton supported women politicians and was always available if they visited Washington "to give them a pat on the back, give them moral support", he added.

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Wouldn't that be much easier if her official records were released, you know, prior to her running for higher office?

She's only had 2,000+ days to request them.

Just sayin'...

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Uh, oh.

My pledge to donate to Obama's campaign every time he releases an effective, tough (not nasty!) reply to the Clinton camp might put me in the poor house.

No complaints, though! :O)

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That was some VERY powerful stuff. Keith Olbermann was already picking up on the fluff in Clinton's asserted foreign policy qualifications from her years at FIRST LADY. However, I remain concerned that the MSM won't debunk Clinton on these various points. Please let me be proven wrong . . .

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If there is a debate in Philly, you know BO will by dying to talk about her foreign policy experience. This memo rebuts all of Hillary's talking points. She wont have a leg to stand on foreign policy experience wise.

NO MORE DEBATES!!!!!! I am soooo sick of these stupid debates. They aren't really debates anyway and they just repeat the same stuff over, and over, and over, and over again. How many debates do we need? We've had what 20 now. NO MORE DEBATES!

Sledgehammer is right. Ouch.
Gobama.

Now if the MSM would just get off their Spitzer-arse and cover something that matters to those of us NOT living in NY, we'd be all set.

In other words, she's a resume-padder, an exaggerator, a lier.

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You GOT IT right Bat Guano.

The truth is saying Hillary Clinton has whitehouse/foreignpolicy experience is like saying Yoko One was a Beatle.

Finally a real response to this ridiculous "Experience" argument that Hillary has been making.

I wonder though, why Obama does not talk more about his time organizing, can't he reach out to the working class voters he has had trouble persuading by showing them that he understands their situation....he has actually worked closely with struggling people and communities. I realize that central/western Pennsylvania and inner-city Chicago are worlds apart, but the economic problems are pretty similar...Is he afraid it makes he sound like too much of an activist, or social justice type? I don't get it, I always thought that was valuable and unique experience, and fitting right in to his call for a new type of grass roots, bottom-up politics.

Her experience planning State dinners and redecorating the White House shouldn't go unnoticed in her historical bid for the office.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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Here are Senator Clinton's own words about the matter in an interview given early in 2007:

Mrs. Clinton said in the interview that she was careful not to overstep her bounds on national security, relying instead on informal access. During the pre-inaugural transition, for instance, she sat in on some meetings about presidential appointments at the invitation of Warren Christopher, who directed the transition and became secretary of state in the first Clinton term.

She said she did not attend National Security Council meetings, nor did she have a security clearance — though she was briefed on classified intelligence before going on some important diplomatic trips.

“I don’t recall attending anything formal like the National Security Council,” she said, “because I had direct access to all of the principals. I spent a lot of time with the national security adviser, the secretary of state, other officials on the security team for the president. I thought that was both more appropriate, but also more efficient.”

Mrs. Clinton declined to say if she ever read the President’s Daily Brief, a rundown of the latest intelligence and threats to national security provided to the president each day. “I would put that in the category of I-never-talk-about-what-I-talk-to-my-husband-about,” she said. But she indicated, and other administration officials confirmed, that Mr. Clinton would sometimes talk to her about contents of the briefing.

“Let me say generally, I’m very aware of and familiar with what the P.D.B.’s actually are, how they work, what they include,” she said. “And it wasn’t always through the Clinton administration — when I went to Bosnia, for example, I had a full briefing from the military commanders there about what the situation was like.”

There - I don't think she's wildly overstating her case, do you? Also, I don't think she's wrong in pointing out that Obama has never even reached this modest level of being involved in foreign policy. Maybe if he'd visit Europe sometime or actually hold a hearing of that Senate Subcommittee he chairs.


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Yes, she is overstating her case given that the public has no knowledge of any information included in the category 'I never talk about what I talk to my husband about'

That category can be summed up as a vastrightwingconspiracy.

If she can't talk about it then she can't claim it as experience...real simple...which makes it not only an overstatement on her part but a gross overstatement.

We are not privvy to Billary experience so we can't vote on it nor rely on it..given her public track record of ineptitude when it comes to solutions for mass complex problems like health care and taking this country to war.

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Colonpowwow: There - I don't think she's wildly overstating her case, do you? Also, I don't think she's wrong in pointing out that Obama has never even reached this modest level of being involved in foreign policy. Maybe if he'd visit Europe sometime or actually hold a hearing of that Senate Subcommittee he chairs.

Jaysin1414: You mean like this trip in 2005?

http://obama.senate.gov/press/050823-obama_to_visit/

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and in case you doubt that said trip ever occured...

http://obama.senate.gov/news/051102-obama-lugar_pro/

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I think it was wrong for the candidate with a virtually insurmountable pledged delegate deficit to state that she and the Republican nominee have passed "the commander-in-chief" threshold but the candidate is is almost certainly going to be the Democratic nominee has not.

It would be one thing for McCain to say it in the general. That's his brand. It would be expected, predictable and, for those reasons, to some extent, discounted. It's another thing entirely for McCain to be able to say the Clinton said it.

If she was going to raise this issue in this specific fashion, she should have done so back when she had a chance to win the pledged delegate race. Now that she has no chance of winning that race, she cannot win the nomination without ignititing a civil war in the party that will assure her loss in the general.

But, hey, Colon. I'm glad to see you back again. Nothing more dangerous than an echo chamber.

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My only concern is that