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Game On! Obama And Hillary To Trade Blows Over National Security In Speeches Today

With less than 72 hours to go until the voting begins in what could be the race's final contests, Obama and Hillary are set to hit each other hard in speeches today.

Obama, according to prepared remarks, intends to blister Hillary on a number of fronts in a speech in Rhode Island, hitting her over NAFTA, lobbyists and, of course, her vote for the Iraq War:

Real change isn’t voting for George Bush’s war in Iraq and then telling the American people it was actually a vote for more diplomacy when you start running for President. The title of the bill was “A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.” What else were you voting for? I knew what it was, and that’s why I opposed this war from the start, and why I will bring our troops home when I am President. That’s real change.

Meanwhile, in Texas today, Hillary will continue trying to sow last-minute doubts about Obama's readiness to be commander in chief, and she'll even point to his claim that her red-phone ad is fear-mongering as proof that he isn't ready to take on John McCain or be president:

My opponent and I are in an important debate about national security -- and which one of us is best prepared to take charge as Commander-in-Chief.

He calls that fear-mongering...

When my opponent says it's fear-mongering to talk about who is ready to protect America, I say: If you can't have that debate with me, how can you have it with John McCain?

We are running for the most important job in the world, and you can't run away from a debate on national security.

Longer excerpts from both speeches after the jump.

Obama excerpts:

If we want real change, we need leaders in Washington who say what they mean and mean what they say. I don’t want to just tell everyone what they want to hear, I’ll tell people what they need to know. Because real change isn’t about changing your position to fit the politics of the moment. And that’s the choice in this election.

Real change isn’t calling NAFTA a victory and saying how good it was for America until you decide to run for President, like Senator Clinton did. I won’t stand here and tell you that we can stop every job from disappearing because of trade, but I will tell you that when I am President, we will end the tax breaks for corporations who ship our jobs overseas and give them to companies who create good jobs right here in America. That’s real change.

Real change isn’t saying that you’ll stand up to lobbyists and special interests when you’ve taken more money from Washington lobbyists than any Democrat or Republican running for President, like my opponent has. I’m the only one in this race who’s actually passed laws to take power away from lobbyists, they haven’t funded my campaign, and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am President. That’s real change.

Real change isn’t voting for a bankruptcy bill that makes it harder for working families to climb out of debt and then saying that you’re glad it didn’t pass once you start running for President. One of the first things I did when I got to the Senate was fight against the credit card industry’s bankruptcy bill, and when I am President, we’ll reform our bankruptcy laws so that CEOs can’t dump your pension with one hand while collecting their bonus with another. That’s real change.

And real change isn’t voting for George Bush’s war in Iraq and then telling the American people it was actually a vote for more diplomacy when you start running for President. The title of the bill was “A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.” What else were you voting for? I knew what it was, and that’s why I opposed this war from the start, and why I will bring our troops home when I am President. That’s real change.

You know, I am reminded every day, if not by events than by my wife, that I am not a perfect man. And I will not be a perfect President. But I promise you this – I will always tell you what I think and where I stand. I will be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, even when we disagree. And I will wake up every day in that White House thinking and working and fighting to make your lives a little bit better. That’s real change, and that’s the change we’ll have when I am President.

Hillary excerpts:

My opponent and I are in an important debate about national security -- and which one of us is best prepared to take charge as Commander-in-Chief.

He calls that fear-mongering.

Well, I don't think Texans scare that easy.

We know we have a job to do - to end the war in Iraq and win the war in Afghanistan.

When my opponent says it's fear-mongering to talk about who is ready to protect America, I say: If you can't have that debate with me, how can you have it with John McCain?

We are running for the most important job in the world, and you can't run away from a debate on national security.

My opponent talks about a speech he gave on Iraq in 2002. Well, there's a big difference between giving a speech at an anti-war rally and giving orders as commander-in-chief. When a crisis comes and that phone rings at 3 a.m. in the White House, you don't have time for speeches. You don't have time for on-the-job training.

He talks about these issues, but then he goes missing in action.

He gave his speech about Iraq when he was running for the Senate, but two years later he said he agreed with the way George Bush was conducting the war.

He's running an ad that touts his position on Afghanistan. He chairs a subcommittee on NATO, which is a major ally in the war in Afghanistan. But he failed to hold a single substantive hearing on Afghanistan or anything else.

He even went missing on an important vote on Iran.


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C'mon Hillary, you know damn well it was fearmongering...it doesn't take a genius to read between the lines, "Vote for Hillary or your children won't be safe!!"

Its too long to copy and paste in here, so my full analysis of her blatant fearmongering is here:

http://thepersonalispolitical.tumblr.com/post/27622528

With Hillary, the debate with McCain becomes "She was for it before she was against it"

Democratic War Party timidity is or should have been THE single lesson learned since 9/11 for any candidate claiming to be "ready from Day 1"

Isn't a little absurd to be arguing Obama does not have the strength to fight against McCain after what happened yesterday ?

Its odd that Hillary is fighting the same battle that democrats faught in 2004, and the likely battle that will be faught in 2008, but she is fighting it from the Republican side and thinks that it will help her in a Democratic primary???? Triangulation, make people forget the differences between democratic and republican positions to the point that enough will be so confused that they disregard the issues and vote for you. Good luck.

Since Hillary is touting her White House experience; then this is relevant to her claims.

The Twin Towers were attacked in 1993, and following that a number of US embassies, and the US Cole. All were attacked while she was gaining all that White House experience. She and Bill left Office seven years after the Twin Towers was attacked, and they had failed to take sufficient action to eliminate the threat that turned into 9/11.

The Red Phone rang in 1993, and for more than seven years, Hillary and Bill left the Sleeping Children of America without strong protection.

liam--

That's good!! I'm stealing it and gonna use this. Just so you know.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Idiotic, man. Wherever you are, go to the nearest person and say, "Hey, give me a hug." And when that person does, imagine it's me.

," but two years later he said he agreed with the way George Bush was conducting the war"

Why does she keep spewing this lie? She said it in the last debate and Obama rebutted it then, yet she keeps distorting his position. This is why she cannot be a leader of this country.

You best believe she will distort the position of leaders of other countries just like she does Obama. She will slant them and make biased statements that have real global consequences and we may wind up in multiple wars on mulitple fronts simply because Hillary has a very difficult time telling the truth when it does not fit her agenda.

Just look at how she claims right now to have voted for diplomacy despite the title of the bill stating it was clearly about authorizing the use of military force.

I am praying nightly for a big win in Tx and even a squeaker of a win in OH...just so we can get these Clintons and especially Hillary off the national stage.

She is doing far more harm than good.

She wants to now morph into yet another campaign line about national security and potentiate it by hyping it into the crisis mode, yet she has nothing to demonstrate she has ever handled a national crisis...nada...zilch...ZERO situations.

Yet, we are suppose to trust her on issues of national security to keep us safe?

No thanks.

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Rhode Island? Obama keeps running that 50 state, every state matters strategy, doesn't he?

I have a bad feeling about Tuesday, in any event. But if Obama does manage to fight her to a draw, one positive thing that may come out of that is the notion that the "Be afraid. Be very afraid" type of ads may have lost some of their effectivness.

But I don't think that's going to happen, and I happen to think the Clinton campaign has done a masterful job of managing the media this past week.

So is this your way of saying that you are now fearful for the nation and question Obama's ability to lead?

Is that your bad feeling.

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Oh, definitely not. My bad feeling is that Clinton has managed to throw up a big enough smokescreen that it may persuade voters to break her way, and, as a result, we'll get bombarded with "HILLARY: THE COMEBACK KID!!!SHE CAN TAKE A LICKING AND KEEP ON TICKING" or some such other twaddle, and the campaign will continue to drag on.

Sorry. I should have been clearer. I think the Clinton campaign has managed the media beautifully this week.

(Although go read the "What left Mark Penn speechless"--or whatever the title is--blog over on the right. Pretty freaking hilarious).

I agree with you. This has been Hillary's week, and that fear ad might well be a winner. Her reply to Obama's response to the fear ad -- "Texans aren't that easily frightened" -- was excellent. That was his line! I can see Tuesday being a big, big upset. I am breathless to wake up Wednesday morning and be proven wrong, of course. But these kinds of ads have thrown elections before.

Don't you always have a bad feeling right before a primary :-)

Me, I grew up right outside Selma and hearing Obama drew 8000 people amazes me. I tried to canvas in Ohio this morning and they'd already passed out all their names to people who are better morning people than I am. I'm feeling pretty friggin great right now!

Off to plant more signs!

It's all about working the refs.

McCain/Clinton '08?

I've often wondered if I could exhibit the kind of dedication that idiotic does with the "excellent news for hillary" posts to virtually every article up here, but I think the fact that I occasionally bathe and leave my house to interact with other live human beings and often engage in activities which take place in locations such as parks preclude me from achieving this level fortitude. But it's good to have something to aspire to I guess...

He can check in, and make his post in less time than you with your "having often wondered" time wasting pondering.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR IDIOTIC!

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Grumpy much?

That you bathe is

EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!

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Mui Bueno.

Anyone want to revist the chaos and confusion in the Clinton White House over striking Bin Laden in 1998?

Remember where the CIA wanted the go ahead to strike but Clinton's team waffled and he got away????

It's funny -- these are the questions the PRESS should really be bringing up, instead of just parroting Clinton talking points all day.

Do not forget folks: The Clinton Camp claimed, after Senator Obama's string of victories, that Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania were all upcoming big States contests where Hillary had a big advantage. They told us that those States were set up for Hillary to win big in all of them.

Hold them to their words. Hillary must win big in each of those Three "Favorable to Hillary" Big States, in order to prove that she is a viable contender.

Up until now, Senator Obama has proven himself to be a reliable closer, and Hillary has proven herself to be a consistent folder. Which one would you want to have coming down the stretch against McCain at the beginning of November; A proven closer, or a proven folder!

Hillary must carry Ohio and Texas on Tuesday by large margins or she will have proved once again that she is just a sprinting front runner who always fades in the stretch. Winning by a nose in States where they have been ahead by twenty lengths will not be good enough for Hillery to shed her down the stretch folder record.

Time for the Clinton camp to put up or shut up. They are the ones that told us that Ohio and Texas were big time Hillery states. That means that on Tuesday Hillery better win by huge margins in both Hillary friendly States, or she should be put out to pasture.

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A commercial is not a debate. Ignoring ridiculuos accusations is not running. Nice try though. See you at the Alamo.

Please make her go away! I truly can't stand it any more. The BS spin about him needing to win every state on Tuesday is going to make my head explode. Never have I seen more tortured logic.

Voters in Texas & Ohio, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!


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Voters in Texas & Ohio, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!

Amen to that!

Some interesting data in this survey found via this blog :

Experience continues to lose out to change, as only 10% say experience is the primary trait on which they are basing their vote for a nominee.

I’ll spare you Hillary folk any speculation as to why the ineffective, misdirected 3AM ad is running. Doesn’t matter anyhow, if the data in the poll cited is anywhere close:

Geographically, we created six groupings of State Senate districts and looked at how the
race is breaking in those groupings. Barack Obama enjoys majority support in DFW (36
delegates), Houston (34 delegates), Austin (8 delegates), and even San Antonio (10
delegates), while Hillary Clinton enjoys majority support in the Valley/border regions (22
delegates) and the remainder of the state (17 delegates).

BO leads by 23% in DFW, by 10 in Houston, by 21 in SA, and by 41 in Austin. Hillary leads by 29% in the border district and by 23 in Rest of State. So Obama gets most of 88 delagates and Hillary most of 39. Before the caucuses.

Hi Greg,

First, let me apologize for any sarcasm in my comments towards you. I certainly recognize that you're good at the role that you're playing in this election.

But I will say that I disagree strongly with your assessment that Obama intends to blister Hilary in any way, shape, or form.

Have you ever been in love? I know it seems like a strange question, but let me explain.

In any sort of relationship, whether it be a campaign or a romance, disagreements will exist and there will be differences of opinion and miscommunication.

The way in which these problems are approached speaks to the health and character of the individual involved, and to me the way that Obama handles these differences is what demonstrates that he has the judgement and character to be president of the United States.

In marriage, these issues may lead to a life long union, or a snarky and money sucking divorce.

Certainly Obama has been critical of Hilary Rodham Clinton, and he's also praised her. At no time has he personally insulted her or intentionally hurt her feelings. So to say that he's going to blister her today is just not accurate, and seems to suggest that Obama is the type of person that blisters people. He isn't.

That doesn't mean he agrees with Hilary Clinton's agenda. It means that he has a health approach to his relationships, and is a role model for all the divorcees in the world.

Not to belabor the point, but the truth of what you say is why I was revolted by the reference yesterday to Obama's "brutal" ad in answer to Hillary's 3 a.m. ad.

Through all of this, do recall the observation of H L Mencken, "Nobody ever went broke betting on the ignorance of the American people."

In this part of Appalachian Ohio, the Clinton folks seem to have placed a good bet.

GOBAMA 08

I think it can also be said that Barack has never twisted or distorted any of Hillary's statements, or her record as a whole.

In contrast, the Clintons just will not let go of this one remark that Obama made in 1994, which they insist upon misconstruing as support for Bush's war policy. As with so many other matters, large and small, this is the kind of thing one expects from Republicans.

Yeah, I know, electoral politics is a rough game, and the Clintons are fighters, and maybe that's a good thing in some ways. But Barack isn't playing the game that way, and he's winning anyway (I hope).

Hillary Clinton's ad is no fear-mongering. This is deceptive spin.

Cult leader Obama's ad gives an irrelevant response to Hillary Clinton's perfectly legitimate ad. His counter ad is no response to Hillary Clinton's legitimate ad.

Cult leader Obama's ad is slamming and disparaging the military that is serving in Iraq. Instead of hitting at Sen. Clinton with his misrepresentation on her about the Iraq war, he is bashing the patriotic military that is serving in Iraq.

Cult leader Obama is unqualified to be commander in chief when he is skewering the military in Iraq with his false attacks on Sen. Clinton. Cult leader Obama should do the patriotic thing and pull his unpatriotic ad that batters the military in Iraq.

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he is bashing the patriotic military that is serving in Iraq.

And you know what else???????????? He doesn't wear a flag pin.

ZOMG!!@#!#!@!@!@!@!@!!!!

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crat3,
Your robotic way of writing and repeating sure sounds like you are a cult member. When I read your comment, I thought of that reworked Apple video with the soon-to-be-busted screen of a droning Hillary. Remember those blank faces in the audience?

End the Drama....vote Obama

liam - your response to my post re: idiotic was outstanding. excellent news, for ME!

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Real change is not supporting No Child Left Behind, voting for it in committee, serving as a Senate Conferee on the bill, and voting for it on final passage, and then saying you will abolish it when you are running for President.

She voted for George W. Bush's Iragmire, and then claimed that he had duped her.

I sure hope that she will not have to deal with any world leaders who are as smart as George W. Bush or we will all be in deep doodoo!

Better set up a phone screening firewall, so that she only takes emergency phone calls from people who are dumber that George W. Bush or Hillary will get taken to the cleaners again and again.

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Exactly where has Hillary's "experience" made her so qualified to be commander in chief? Is it her service on the Senate Armed Services Committee which has turned a blind-eye to horrendous defense contractor profiteering? Is it being in the White House that ignored Al Quaida for 8 years? Is it in her keen assessment of the threat posed by Iraq and her vote to give Bush authority to start a pre-emptive, needless war?

Hillary's campaign and supporters continue to accuse the media of going soft on Obama. What about Hillary's claims of experience and capaicty to lead on "day one." What exactly is the evidence for that? Where is the media scrutiny of Hillary's bizarre claims of experience?

"Cult leader Obama" did this

"Cult leader Obama" did that

put the koolaide down and step away from the repuglitards

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Has there really ever been a crisis where the President had to make a quick decision, on his own, at 3:00 am? I think the closest thing we ever had to the classic, movie image of such a thing was the Cuban missile crisis, and that played out over several weeks, with the President's close advisors gathered 'round on numerous occasions.

Point being that it is extraordinarily unlikely that the President would ever make such a decision without a whole lot of experience to draw on around the table.

Judgment is all.

There was a moment during the Reagan Administration that nearly brought us to nuclear war that is little known (we ran an exercise that the Soviets misinterpreted as a run up to an attack). This too was resolved through experienced advisors and calmer heads.

One thing that Hillary campaign's shouldn't do; however, is bring up the red-phone argument. They might just get called on it:

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/02/pregnant_pause.html

Exactly where has Hillary's "experience" made her so qualified to be commander in chief?

(crickets)

don't worry dude, we got a koolaide drinker here who will think of a snarly personal attack response within 24 to 48 hours

we're sorry for the delay, but the hillerybots areound here are NOT the brightest bulbs in the box ...

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Greg Sargent in an earlier post about media fairness linked to a NYT collaborated poll completed 2-24-08. That poll has some interesting findings down in the weeds.

Obama scored higher than Clinton across the board in positive likelihood of being effective as a Commander in Chief.
Very likely effectiveness: 1] all voters [3 points higher], and 2] dem voters [4 points higher]
Somewhat likely effectiveness : 1]all voters [12 points higher], and 2] dem voters [5 points higher].

Clinton scored higher, i.e., worse, than Obama in the negative categories regarding likelihood of being effective as a Commander in Chief.
Not to likely effectiveness: 1] all voters [6 points higher], and 2] dem voters [6 points higher]
Not at all likely effectiveness: 1] all voters [11 points higher], and 2] dem voters [5 points higher]

Note: roughly a fourth of all respondents [24%] consider Hillary 'not at all' likely to be an effective CinC.

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Every time I hear "Commander in Chief" I think we're living under martial law. Maybe we are.

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I don't know how Clinton expects to have a debate with John McCain on foreign policy when her policy is starting to sound juts like his. She makes the same argument Lieberman did in 2004: "Republicans won't be able to accuse me of being weak on naional security because I'll be as belligerent as they are." Does anybody in her campaign actually think about what they're saying?

The last thing this country wants or needs for the next 8 years is a president who feels the need to prove how tough she can be instead of how smart she can be.

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He'll be all around in the dark - he'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, he'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, he'll be there. He'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. He'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when the people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build - He'll be there, too.

Tom Joad on idiotic.

"Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence", a fictional $2000 prize awarded by Montgomery Burns. The name of the "award" was hastily concocted by Burns on the spot in an attempt to convince Homer to sign a waiver freeing the nuclear plant of all liability for Homer's recently discovered sterility."

This was EXCELLENT NEWS for Homer! Hillary should be so lucky.

Hillz is still in the race?

All I can say is that every time I see, "THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS! FOR HILLARY!" I crack up.

It's gotten to the point if I see a commercial touting the benefits of liquid soap, I say to myself "THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS! FOR HILLARY!

What's so stupid about Clinton's attack on Obama over readiness to be "commander in chief" is that if it does succeed in defeating Obama, it frames the upcoming contest in November along the same lines. If Clinton has to run against McCain within the frame of who is best prepared in terms of military experience she loses hands down. In contrast, Obama's frame of change vs entrenched interests and judgement trumping experience seen as purely tenure, then he puts McCain in a grave.

I agree. Clinton is doing more harm than good. It looks more and more that all should can ever hope to achieve, and distantly at that, is a pyrrhic victory over Obama in the primary which leads to a crushing defeat against McCain. Personally, I've had my fill of tragdey, whether Greek or Shakesperean, in the last 7 years.

C'mon Hil, take one for the fuckin' team already.

One of the first things a new President does, I think and hope, is to review and possibly modify standing orders and contingency plans for military and civil defense response in the event the USA is attacked. That can’t be easy for anyone, especially for anyone who has not had access to classified military briefings at the highest level—a higher level than most or any Members of Congress are allowed access to. Much rides on the decisions that are made at the beginning of a presidential term. If the Framers had wanted to make expertise and experience in military matters the top requirement of presidents, they could have limited the presidency to career military officers. We should expect a due amount of humility from a new or prospective President, not confidence-exceeding swagger that the candidate already has it all figured out and is “ready from Day One.” All candidates would do well to state in advance their respective choices for Secretary of Defense and for key military advisory positions, by so doing giving us something to aid our decision-making as voters.

Elemental to the 3:00 AM scenario we’re being asked to imagine is the possibility of missile and/or bomber strikes with nuclear weapons and/or other WMDs. It is not hard to parlay any fears of that scenario into fears of terror attacks. Newt Gingrich talks about the possibility of losing a city to a smuggled nuclear device. Stirring up and playing upon that kind of fear is advantageous in arguing for legislation and government powers that leave little room for privacy and civil liberties. Is that an approach we should expect from Hillary Clinton if elected President?

I hope Clinton digs in and continues her current line of attack on Obama, regardless of what happens in TX and OH. At this point, her attacks are from basically the same direction McCain will attack, and Obama might as well get some practice handling that. If he can't, or if Dem voters decide they'd rather be scared than inspired, then I'm not sure the Democrats deserve to win in November.

Yeah, uh, conflating MIA and AWOL is not a good way of showing off how "ready" you are on "day one."

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LOL. Good observation.

Given the brevity of Obama´s record and the fact that he has primarily held legislative positions while serving in public, I think it appropriate to look at the decisions he has made when it was him alone.

For many of us one of the biggest decisions we will make in life is buying a house. Here Obama admits that he did not show good judgement.

I give him points for honesty when he says it was boneheaded, but he did buy a house together with a suspected corrupt backroom operator, and has been less than truthful as the press uncovers the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxyPBmZE69s&NR=1

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Oslojack,
On the one hand, we have a 'boneheaded' decision to buy one's first house by involving someone long involved in real estate [Rezco] who later is indicted for unrelated matters....boneheaded for its 'appearance' only, let me add.

On the other hand, we have a U.S. Senator who was urged by Bob Graham to read the full NIE before voting on 'the most important vote of her career', but who failed to do that homework, and voted anyway to enable Bush's push to war. The problem for Hillary was that she HERSELF, 'alone', would have had to go to the safe room at the Capitol to read the 90 page full NIE, as her staff were not allowed to do so for her. It really was up to 'her alone' to do due diligence.

Which 'all alone' decision was more boneheaded? Which boneheadedness affects you and the country the most?

I pointed out that judgement on an important issue be it personal or with global consequences is a measure I think is interesting to look at especially in the absence more evidence.

Obama has admitted poor judgement and I never said Clinton showed good judgement on the Irag war vote .

I simply was questioning Obama´s assertion that he has better judgement than Clinton.

And now to the facts:
1) The investigation of Rezko´s real estate dealings was public knowledge at least 6 months before the Obamas bought their first house. Obama has admitted that it was poor judgement. (boneheaded).
2) Many democratic senators did read the NIE and still gave Bush authorization to go to war.

The recent debates with Hillary and Obama confronted (fact checked) with their video in Ohio was more dynamic and more similar to the internet experience. That format was very similar to what we get at TPM. Where people outside TX and OH can decide based on the facts within the ads the veracity of the MSM's assertions.

Both Obama and Hillary are now responsible to clarify their positions on national security.

And the MSM needs to fact check this information and to present it to the public before the election.

NBC held the best debate yet, with maybe the ommision of the youtube debates, which should have included the fact-checking that the NBC format included.

I would like to see a TV mini debate where Obama and Hillary were on camera live with a reporter and given equal time, but cut-off mic if they went into stump speech, to discuss this.

The voters should decide.

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