He really doesn't have a lot of options about leaving it in, unless he wants to spend all day preventing people from putting it back in.

If only HRC were as virtuous...

Can anyone say 1984?

Going down in flames..

I like watching Newsmaxies twist as much as anyone, but come on... Here are the two items that people have added to his bio, in addition to the Obama one, under "Controversies":

'- The liberal Website Talking Points Memo has referred to Kessler's book A Matter of Character as a "lily-gilding portrait of the Bush White House."

'- In response to Kessler's appearance on The Daily Show to promote his book The Terrorist Watch, a commentator at the liberal Website Daily Kos penned the article "Dear Ronald Kessler: Torture is ALWAYS Illegal".'

Wikipedia is not a place to simply post, without context, what other people have said about someone. If any of our favorite progressives' Wikipedia pages were filled with quotes from the Freepers, we'd be incensed. If these sections covered the controversies, it would be a different story. But all the authors really want to write is "Hey Kessler you're wrong." And that's not right.

Live by the Lie, Die by the Truth....

For those who are more wikipedia-versed than I, please note that someone has scrubbed Kessler's entry again on the grounds that the info comes from a website? Heh?

Well, I keep going back and forth on this wright thing. It's good that it came out now so that people get desensatized to it. I don't know if it will be enough, but I would rather lose with obama than lose big time and destroy the party with the clintons. At least with obama dems would pick up seats. With the clintons, they will lose seats. So I guess its a no-brainer. Obama all the way.

Newsmax = Kristol = Garbage

These rightwing sockpuppets are all the same.

Why, oh why, did the NYT even hire this jerk?

The fact that the Democrats, and the Media, constantly roll over and pander to the rightwing is *the* problem in America. It is destroying the country.

Here's how it works:

1. GOP smear artists dream up next scurrilous attack.

2. Rush Limbaugh and Drudge push it.

3. FoxNews picks it up and plays it again and again.

4. CNN and MSNBC copy them.

5. Pretty soon the NYTimes and WaPo start talking about it.

6. Mission Accomplished -- Rightwing spin becomes news.

I think the MSM and Dems have to stop being so cowardly and panicky about the GOP smears. Start fighting back for a change.

As the person who did most of the recent revision of the Wikipedia page for Ronald Borek Kessler, born December 31, 1943, I'm not sure that I completely agree that the first two controversies mentioned, before this other matter exploded, were utterly unnecessary or inappropriate.

Flattering garbage about President Bush and the Bush White House would have to be a fundamental criticism of Kessler's "journalism," as is the matter of the short-shrift he gives to the issue of torture. ADDING more or better examples of criticisms of Kessler's stances on these issues would be the most appropriate thing, not just ripping stuff out. That way, you get the "context" that y'all love.

So what we see here is one of the fundamental flaws of Wikipedia and Wikipedians. You add good, factual, accurate stuff, and rather than editing it or revising it or expanding it, people just rip it out. A lot of good stuff, even wildly noncontroversial stuff about noncontroversial subjects, regularly gets ripped out of Wikipedia and thrown away. Little bits of knowledge are lost because people can't say either, "This is a starting point," or "This factoid is utterly harmless and noncontroversial."

Anyway, thank goodness this recent matter has gained some publicity and brought some attention to what Kessler and NewsMax are doing. Controverial people (Judith Miller, anyone?) are going to get and are going to deserve sections labeled "controversies." Duuuh.

And as other people have discussed, and as I have discussed elsewhere, Kessler's previous version of the Wikipedia page was poorly arranged, poorly edited garbage, pap sent out by a publishers' PR department or NewsMax.

And, get this, Kessler never minded NewsMax getting labeled as "right-wing." I changed that to "conservative."

So, I have a mission for y'all: What books of Kessler's, exactly, were "New York Times best sellers"??? Find out--and put it on his Wikipedia page.

I am becoming not a little agitated by the NYTimes, either it is the height of sloppiness or they don't care when it comes to distortions regarding Obama. Take a look at the map for Democratic primary, and Texas, Michigan, and Florida all come up for Clinton, with little clarification, certainly none in the "win" category. And this is the grey lady? Kristol should be reprimanded. Will we see it anytime soon? Nope. Distressing, to say the least...

Astonishing.

The torture cheerleader literally admits that torture talk was the reason he tried to revise history. (Quite rightly being concerned that his Daily Show appearance could possibly earn him a trip to The Hague someday.)

Talk, which btw, conisists of a "stance on torture" that dictates that any discussion is "moot" because it happened less than a certain number of times, a certain number of years ago, and a certain number of people said it's not happening now -- and that it all really depends on whether a uniform or cellophane is involved (notwithstanding a US Supreme Court ruling of the opposite)!?!

That "offending material" is NOT returned to his page.

But does that warrant a "dig?" Of course not. Why let a few war crimes get in the way of our wall to wall Hillobamania.

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