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New Hillary Ad Hits Obama's "Judgment"

The barrage is coming fast and furious today: Hillary is up with a new ad in Texas questioning Obama's "judgment" by using his own quotes about his committee overseeing the forces in Afghanistan against him...

Meanwhile, in Ohio -- where the Hillary campaign deliberately chose not to run the controversial red-phone ad hitting Obama because the electorate there is concerned with the economy -- she's up with this positive spot tailored to lower income and working class voters that comprise her base...


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Hmm, you know I actually found Obama's answer refreshing in that debate. He was honest and didn't try to spin it. Can you imagine Hillary answering a question like that? I can't.

refreshing? wow, you are completely under his spell...

i don't claim to be anything less than partisan myself, but at least when Hillary says something lame, i still wince!

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I think Obama needs to run this as an ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXtmhCgunTQ

Then compare how she has run her campaign. Frighteningly and eerily similar.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought his reason was that he took that role just as he was beginning his presidential campaign. I find this inexcusable. He keeps saying the Afghan war is the important one and here he is in a position to do something in a leadership role and has not – he is not putting his actions behind his words. Even more, it is this kind of inactivity by the democrats that has facilitated the illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt, incompetent activities of the Bush administration. Obama is part of the problem, he is not leading the solution. If he really cared about these things and wasn’t going to do the job, he should have declined in preference to someone who was.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?sq=hillary%20clinton%20did%20not%20have%20security%20clearance&st=cse&scp=2&pagewanted=print

The New York Times


December 26, 2007
The Long Run
The Résumé Factor: Those 2 Terms as First Lady
By PATRICK HEALY

As first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton jaw-boned the authoritarian president of Uzbekistan to leave his car and shake hands with people. She argued with the Czech prime minister about democracy. She cajoled Roman Catholic and Protestant women to talk to one another in Northern Ireland. She traveled to 79 countries in total, little of it leisure; one meeting with mutilated Rwandan refugees so unsettled her that she threw up afterward.

But during those two terms in the White House, Mrs. Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president’s daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda.

And during one of President Bill Clinton’s major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, Mrs. Clinton was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as the Lewinsky scandal sizzled.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton lays claim to two traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more experienced for her “eight years with a front-row seat on history.”

Oh, she's wearing the judgment and experience Hillary glasses.

maybe we can get obama a pair if he goes on to the nomination. he'll be needing them!

Mighty generous of you, but Obama's performing quite outstandingly without them.

We should expect nothing less than this garbage from her until she's forced out. She threw the sink last week, the toilet last night on 60 minutes; now she's getting a crane and throwing the entire kitchen and bathroom at him. Good luck with that, Gloria Steinem Klinton. Let's see how fast team Obama is up with another response that further humiliates you.

Fighting Bill Hussein

The perfect response to the judgment ad would be the words of endorsement from the Senate Chair of Intelligence Jay Rockefeller.

That should be how he responds.

If only people did not know Obama and Axelrod lied about Rockfeller's vote for the war authorization.

When did he lie about Rockefeller's vote?

I heard him say that Rockefeller asked Hillary to read the NIE report.

I beleive what Obama meant to say was that Senator Bob Graham who was the ranking chair of the Intelligence cmte at the time and who DID vote against the war also read the NIE and asked Hillary to vote against it.

He implied that Jay read the NIE and thus voted against the resolution. Nothing is further from the truth. Jay read the NIE and still voted for the war. Obama is now implying Jay is someone lacking judgement, a coward, or what?

No No No

He was speaking of the THEN committee head (whose name escapes me) not the current committee head (Rockefeller). You assumed that by "committee head" he meant Rockefeller, when all he said was "committe head"
(This info is from an update that was posted on TPM; if i'm wrong, crucify me)

BTW Rockefeller read the NIE and voted to authorize Bush´s war.

So here we have Rockefeller vouching for Obama´s judgement when he has none according to Obama´s own assertion that if you voted for the war you don´t have judgement when it counts.

What a tangled web we weave...

judgment...riiigghhttt...I really respect the judgment it took to drink Bush's koolaid and follow him lock step on Iraq, and especially the judgment it took to not read the NIE report on Iraq's nonexistent WMD. Way to go Hill! I wasn't even in the Senate and I, like millions of other Americans, had the good sense to know that Bush was full of shit and just wanted war. But you didn't, and elected officials should know better than anyone. You were either ignorant or weak, and either way we don't need you as a leader.

You know what's interesting? I think Hillary does a disservice by appearing in her own ads. If she gets the nomination, I think she would (at least try) to do great things as President. But I really don't see it ever happening, because people don't seem to like Hillary. They just don't. Even her supporters tend to praise her (potentially) negative traits - stubborn, fighter, ruthless - but that's not what a lot of people vote on. It's why Reagan won. It's why Bush won. It's why Bill Clinton won. Both McCain and Obama seem to be more genuine, natural candidates than Hillary, and in a general election, I think she loses big because people are turned off by who she is. And it's not a sexist thing. It's that some candidates don't connect with people. Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry. People voted for them, but begrudgingly and without enthusiasm. And they all lost.

I will say that the first ad about judgment is a good ad by the Hillary camp. They should have been running it sooner.

well, i like her a lot, but then i've always had a thing for incredibly brilliant and wonkish women! ;-)

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Then why are you supporting Hillary? (kidding...)

I agree with you BillySunday

It is the glasses, jewelry and color of her suit.

None of them are sobering they look frivolous and chirpy.

The glasses appear as an affect since none of the public sees her in them at debates or speeches. thus she would need CLEAR reading glasses to appear purposeful not thick black frames which look like a prop.

She should have on a dark mock turtleneck, and NO jewelry..as though she hastily pulled it on to sit up working.

The jewelry is a definite no. It just looks to preening and girly for someone who is suppose to be serious about a 3 AM red phone international crisis moment.

A cup of coffee would be appropiate as well.

Obama's ad came off as serious because he was walking in a dark suit, head down in reflective thought in front of the white house.

Hillary looks like she is handling just another of myriad agenda ideas....nothing about her appearance conveys deep concern or a crisis moment.

Her head should be down and her hand should be rubbing her forehead with the first two fingers of her hand and the thumb at her jawline to convey purposeful problem solving thinking.

Images are important and this image contradicts the words of the narrator.

Which is how the first ad was worse.

That first ad was annoying and distractful to viewers because the phone kept ringing, the narrator was talking AND you were also trying to simultaneously make sense of the images. The words and ringing competed with our visual sense, creating confusion and fear. After awhile the most dominant sense was annoyance at the continuous phone ringing and the ominous feeling of why is no one answering what's wrong?

At the end of the NATO oversight ad, she says she will never be too busy to keep the country safe...
Is that like when she got the NIE before voting for Iraq? Does that mean she just didn't feel like reading it and it wasn't that she didn't have the time I wonder.

i just watched a speech from obama on cnn between 11 and 11:10 where he stated that rockefeller voted against resolution on irag because of nie report ....its an out and out lie .....rockefeller voted for it the same as clinton....why dosnt anyone call him out when he lies ???.....judgement //what kind of judgement did he show voting present 138 times in ill

I really can't bear the thought of another month of this stuff until Pennsylvania.

I am with you on that OhioGuy...this thing is definitely spiraling down and Hillary is dragging us all into the muck and mire with her and Bill.

Hey, Greg, I notice that Krugman has a predictable anti-Obama column today. Even Halperin noticed it. You going to write the same kind of post that you did when Maureen Dowd had her predictable anti-Clinton column? Or does this knife cut only one way?

How is it that a Dem makes my skin crawl more than any Republican? This is a sad state of affairs.

If Barack was a Republican, he would have responded already with a shot of Bill and Monica hugging in slow motion.

Like others on this thread, I found the Texas ad rather tendentious and off-putting. I doubt that it would help to sway me if I were an undecided Texan. Indeed, it might well turn me against her, simply because it seemed such a big deal about such a small point that I found it something of an insult to my intelligence (such as it is).

The Ohio ad, on the other hand, was well done. Lot's of red-meat there. If I were an undecide Ohioan, I think that this ad would help to move me into Clinton's column.

I love the new Clinton ad...

Obama totally glossed over the point of the "red phone" ad (preparation to handle a crisis) and tried to make it about "judgement"

So Clinton responds by glossing over the "judgement" issue, and makes it about Obama's failure to prioritize national security issues.

(i do wish that Clinton would defend herself better on Iraq --- she should ask Obama flat out if he opposed US leadership of the broad international coalition that threw Saddam out of Kuwait -- and point out that when the AUMF was passed, the international community was just as supportive of official US policy toward Iraq as it was with Kuwait.)

You're right, Obama did gloss over the point of the "red phone" ad. He should have emphasized the fact that Clinton has no crisis management experience to speak of.

That might make a good ad, he should ask a roomful of Generals to describe Clintons redphone international crisis.

Also when it comes to her challenging his judgment with this subcmte chair mtgs he should bring up how she voted on those cluster bombs to remind voters that she does not learn from her experience.

Or either do a clip with the words Edwards use with Kerry where he says, unlike Clinton he learned from his mistake and did not vote for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment.

The whole point of experience after all is that you are suppose to learn from your mistakes.

That is where Obama should hit her and hit her hard. Same is true for McCain.

I don't know about Obama, but I was on the right side back in 1991. Like Al Gore, I fully supported the first President Bush's war to liberate Kuwait. (Obama was not a public figure in 1991; you might as well ask him his stance on the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.)

Like Howard Dean and Obama, I was also on the right side of the 2002 AUMF vote. It was not such a difficult exercise in judgment, even at the time, to see that Iraq was not in any way behind Al-Qaeda or 9/11. However, voting against the AUMF did take more political courage than most Democratic Senators could muster.

How supportive the international community was, either in 1991 or 2002 -- well, I don't see what that has to do with the rightness or wrongness of either vote. But I would say that the international coalition was notably stronger in 1991 than in 2002, and that even so, George H.W. Bush exercised the judgment not to invade and occupy Iraq, even though he had a far more reasonable casus belli than his son did.

I thought both of those ads extremely effective.

And it hurts me to admit it.

Yes, I'm totally changing my view of her now that I see her in glasses.


maybe if she put a soccer emblem on her chest then?

judgement what kind of judgement is voting present 139 times in ill???,,,,,,this guy is a con artist

Please Zumprer that is just a lame statement. Those 139 times amount to less than 1% of over 3K votes. Furthermore, it was a long standing strategy of the Illinois state legislature.

Surely, you have something more substantive? Even Planned parenthood supported those votes.

Moreover, Obama was the only US Senator to oppose the draconian ban on abortion even in caseds of rape and incest in S. Dakota...he gave a fundraiser to repeal it.

Hillary 'I'm your girl" did ZELCH...

So when it came time to stand up..Obama did...no matter how much you want to bring up those present votes...his record is clear and unequivocal when it comes to a woman's right to choose.

What else do you have in that kitchen sink Hillary sent out?

Oh my god, are you still saying 1%? 139/3000 is less than 1%? Where did you lift this thing from? God, you need to seek help immediately with your math. You may be conned out of money in no time!

keep drinking his kool aid......he is a con artist......this country got conned by bush we dont need another one

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Hillary Campaign supporter, fund raiser, and leading advocate on women's rights defects to Obama over Hillary's deception on Obama's stance on womens rights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs

SHAME ON YOU, HILLARY CLINTON!!! You are a liar and a con artist!!! The truth is...


1. A different Foreign Relations Subcommittee chaired by John Kerry has jurisdiction over Afghanistan. And the full Foreign Relations Committee was the one that held several hearings on the military efforts there.


2. As for being "too busy campaigning" to do their jobs... Clinton and McCain are both using that excuse! McCain was "too busy" to vote on the Economic Stimulus Package. Hillary was "too busy" to vote on Chris Dodd's amendment NOT to grant immunity to the telecom companies and protect our civil liberties AND "too busy" to turn over her income tax returns (which we all know we will NEVER SEE).


You are such a snake!!! Drop out now before you completely destroy our party!!!

take it down a notch, shoemia...

obama's subcommittee has oversight of NATO. the ad talks about the "force" fighting in Afghanistan.

if obama wants to go after hillary on missed votes, then he should... but i think he's missed more.

obama supporters demanding that hillary drop out now are destructive to the party as well. obama doesn't win without the votes of hillary supporters, so why antagonize them with your pitchforks and laterns?

if obama wants to go after hillary on missed votes, then he should... but i think he's missed more.

It depends on the time frame in which you are counting. He missed more in 2007. She has missed more in 2008. I think that this essentially testifies to difference betweent the front-runner and the insurgent. He was the insurgent in 2007, so he needed to spend more time on the trail. She is the insurgent now, so she needs to spend more time on the trail. Fair enough, of course.

Sorry, has any of the Obama ads or literature been posted for us to comment on?

Mostly ads and literature posted are those which distort and mislead. Hillary has much of that as Obama chooses not to engage those type of low ball tactics. He runs on his own record of accomplishment and can stand on what he has done without a need to constantly knock his opponent as the reason you should vote for him.

That is just not true. Here are the quotes from Obama - Is this the high road and new politics?

Obama campaign accuses Hillary of ‘incredible distortions.’ [USA Today, 1/22/08]

Obama campaign: ‘people have heard a lot of things that just aren’t true from the mouth of the First Lady, from the mouth of the former President, from the mouth of the campaign.’ [Politico, 1/21/08]

Obama accused Hillary of 'not being straight' with the American people on many issues. Sen. Obama: "Hillary's idea is that we should force everyone to buy insurance. But this is yet another issue where she is not being straight with the American people because she refuses to tell us how much she would fine people if they couldn't afford insurance." [AP, 11/25/07]

Obama called Hillary 'disingenuous.' Sen. Obama: “Her response was certainly inadequate…She can release these papers…I think she was being disingenuous.” [Newsweek, 11/12/07]

Obama told reporters to ask Hillary 'the difference between disingenuous and dishonest.' Q: “What's the difference between disingenuous and dishonest?” Obama: “You'll have to ask her.” [Newsweek, 11/3/07]

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Ah, I'm so sick of this whole thing. Thanks Hillary, for working so hard to make me despise you.

It took a lot of effort, but you really are tenacious, and you completely pulled it off! Good job!

it works both ways... obama and "some" of his supporters are really starting to grate on the nerves of some Hillary supporters. there are websites where you can go to measure the temperature if you doubt my word.

Obama has lost any kind of cred when he criticizes Hillary for her Iraq vote if he means what was said over the weekend that he'd have a bi-partisan cabinet and would bring in Chuck Hagel, who voted lockstep whenever the president needed his iraq vote.

Sorry Obama, you can't have it both ways.

listen people his stance against this war was when he was in ill voting present all those times ,,,,under no pressure to vote for the resolution that was 5 years ago and 77 senators for for it .....if it didnt pass bush would have attacked any way.....to put the blame on her vote alone is ludicris .....many who voted for the war have endorsed him ....sounds like a hypocrite to me

Interesting that these ads touting Hillary's judgment rely on a mute and posed image: None of the strained voice or lack of composure that we've seen in the debates and at her rallies.

In the live format, Hillary lacks the poise that we associate with responsibility and authority. Dean was DQ'ed for a burst of enthusiasm far more tame than the outbursts which have become habitual to Hillary.

Check out the original debate video; Obama's response on Afganistan at approximately 4:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjSEqh9zFTE

Put it next to Clinton's ad showing Obama's response and you'll notice that Obama's complexion is about five shades darker in her ad.

More of the same old shit.

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I'd love to see a Primary Colors movie made about the Hillary campaign. It'll probably be just about the same as the first, minus the pregnancy of a BBQ restaurant owner's daughter, but I still think it'd be interesting to see.

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Dear God, I hate her. She donates 5 MILLION DOLLARS to her campaign, and then has the unbelievable gall to say: "The wealthy and the well-connected have had a president." Oh, yeah, Hillary? Aren't you determined to give them another?

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Why all overweight folks speaking in the second ad? Just seemed strange to me.

The criticism regarding lack of hearings seems misguided to me. Hearings draw attention to a matter of public importance. Hasn't the presidential campaign been, in effect, a hearing every day?

To you, of course it does not matter. It does not matter he voted 139 "Present" in IL senate, it does not matter he voted "wrongly" six times on some key issues by allegedly pushing the incorrect buttons, and it certainly does not matter he lied about his campaign's tangle with the Canadian consulate. If the shoes were on the other side, you would ...

What I have noticed is that Obama's judgment is bad in his choices for friends and business associates; Ferrakhan, his pastor, Rezko.

And what he keeps saying in regards to the whole shadowy Rezko affair is that "there has been no wrong doing alleged against me"

Well my question is why doesn't HE affirmatively state that there has been no wrong doing by him rather than framing it so carefully that there has been no wrongdoing allegations alleged against him?

Her campaign is in the toilet - literally.

See what I mean:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/03/luxury_living_on_the_campaign.html

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