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McCain Aide Suspended For Pushing Racially-Charged Obama-Wright Video

A McCain campaign aide actively pushed an incendiary, racially-charged video that uses the controversial words of Barack Obama's pastor to tar Obama as unpatriotic -- despite the fact that McCain himself has suggested that Obama shouldn't be held accountable for Wright's views.

The aide, Soren Dayton, who works in McCain's political department, has been suspended from the campaign, a McCain spokesperson, Jill Hazelbaker, confimed to me.

The move by McCain's aide could create controversy for the McCain camp, because the video itself is thoroughly reprehensible -- it interweaves footage of Obama explaining why he won't wear the American flag pin, Wright saying "God damn America," Malcolm X, and Obama's wife saying that his candidacy has made her proud of America for the "first time."

That McCain's campaign aide spread this runs directly counter to what McCain himself has said about the Wright controversy. He suggested in a recent interview that Obama shouldn't be held liable for his pastor's views, and a top aide to McCain, Charlie Black, also recently suggested that McCain didn't believe in trafficking in such stuff.

Dayton posted the following on his own page at Twitter, a blog-hosting site..

Dayton described the video as a "good video on Obama and Wright." The link he provided leads to the Wright mash-up video on Youtube. A short time later the post was abruptly removed from his site, and an hour or so later, after I asked the McCain campaign for comment , Dayton's whole account was deleted.

A top McCain adviser, Charlie Black, explicitly said recently that McCain didn't think Obama should be held accountable for Wright's views.

"What Sen. McCain has said repeatedly, is that these candidates cannot be held accountable for all the views of people who endorse them, or people who befriend them," Black said recently. "I don't think Sen. McCain wants to get in the middle of a discussion about Sen. Obama's former pastor, or his faith. He believes that people who endorse you, people who befriend you are entitled to their own views, but you are not held personally accountable."

Asked for comment, McCain spokesperson Hazelbaker emailed me the following:

"We have been very clear on the type of campaign we intend to run and this staffer acted in violation of our policy. He has been reprimanded by campaign leadership and suspended from the campaign."


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It's sad when John McCain comes off as being better than Hillary Clinton regarding race-baiting.

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One of the reasons that I will be voting for McCain if Obama gets the nomination is that McCain comes off better on race-baiting than does Obama who has been making phony charges of racism from the beginning of his campaign.

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Well, you said it again and again I'll ask you to point to these "phony charges of racism" from the Obama campaign.

FAIRY TALE
The "aluminum tubes" of Obama's race war.

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Enough. You're being an idiot, and people like you are ruining these TPM boards.

No one in the Obama campaign - and you know it, otherwise you'd link to a quote - claimed the "fairy tale" comment was racist. Obama did not say as much himself.

So, if that's your case - you HAVE no case. Grow up already.

"Enough. You're being an idiot, and people like you are ruining these TPM boards."

You mean people who have a different opinion?


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Your judgment is questionable if you think McCain is better than Obama.

I guess you'd be comfortable with a Supreme Court that will undoubtedly be even more conservative? With a Commander in Chief who seems incapable of correctly identifying the main groups shuttling back and forth between Iran and Iraq? Who thinks unending war is achievable?

All because of some distaste for Obama.

And if Clinton gets the nomination, why should anyone listen to what you have to say about why Obama supporters should vote for her, when you yourself feel McCain is the better leader?

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Not that one expected you to vote for Obama to begin with....but can you please give us at least one example of thses "phony charges" you mention?

And what qualifies them as "phony", in your estimation?

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AJM, great Rovian post. Accuse McCain and Obama of what the Clintons do best. Americans are as stupid and the dishonest Clintons think. Time will prove it.

I couldn't agree more, though I am mystified why he wasn't fired. Especially compared to Samantha Power losing her job for simply using the word "monster."

Also remember that it is to McCain's advantage to not dis the support others get from controversial figures. It creates the perfect defense to looking too closely at those who support him (especially the part of the right that calls itself religious but is really not healthy)

Pat ar
Totally agree with you. I thought your remarks were wonderful. But like another reader, don't understand why someone like this individual - who wants to instigate anger in the US - was not fired. Kind of like Sawn Hannity should be fired for doing what he did yesterday about the false Black Panther thing.
Okay, I also must say. I have been making comments on blogs
for weeks now about the fact that while Obama is being "vetted" as Hillary likes to often say, for some reason the press is allowing stories about Clinton and McCain connections to just fade away at such a critical time. One example would be the $17M lawsuit that was filed against the Clintons re: campaign fraud and will be going to trial very soon. WHY aren't these things exposed?
I strongly believe that so much has to get out there before Pennsylvania - so that we do not have a repeat of Ohio where the voters trusted Hillary and voted for her. Today, we see the factual information about her strong support of Nafta. We can't let this happen again.
If "vetting" is happening with Obama - then it is unfair that the other candidates are not having to answer up to a lot of uncovered issues. Transparency for All!

Hey fluffy,

Will you always practice the politics of old and bash Hillary when Hillary is not even involved?

And here I had the audacity to hope that Obama supporters would practice what Obama preaches.

Oh well...

Can there be any doubt ?
Can there be any argument ?

The Clintons have re-introduced race-baiting into the campaign
I guess the media hasn’t noticed

First, there was the picture of Obama in a Somali
costume
That was from the Clintons

Then, there was PA Gov. Ed Rendell who jsut happened
to say many people wouldn’t vote for a black man.
A Clinton surrogate

Then, the case of Geraldine Ferraro
Obama wouldn;t be here if he was white or a woman
That dominated the news cycle for a few days
Was she being stubborn by repeating her claims and demanding an apology ?
Or was she asked to keep the controversy alive
For a week or two

Now, Rev Wright’s videos appera
Where did THEY come from ?
Does anyone remember Bob Novack saying the Clintons told him they had SOMETHING on Obama ?


These aren’t coincidences
They aren’t ‘accidents’
They are planned, choreographed ‘race-baiting’ by the Clinton campaign
Charming, isn’t it ?

Does anyone remember the constant whining by the
Clintons about the press giving Obama a ;free pass’ ?

Now, Bill is complaining he was ‘mugged’ about race in SC

It’s NOT the Republicans who are guilty of race
baiting
It's NOT John McCain
...... It’s the Clintons
It’s planned
It’s calculated
It’s cold-blooded, unethical and soulless

Is there any depths that they won’t sink to ?

Is THAT the politician you want in the White House for the next four years ?

Can you possibly support a candidate/candidates who sunk this low ?


The first viable African-American candidate for
President
An honest and decent man

AND HILLARY IS RACE-BAITING HIM !!


Every time you level histrionic accusations of race-bating at the Clintons, HRC supporters grow ever less likely to support your "decent and honorable" candidate should he make it to the GE. Just something to think about.

Their will be no reconciliation without a full accounting for these distasteful and irresponsible comments about Sen. Clinton who, incidentally, has millions of supporters of her own.

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Suspended? Can't quite bring themselves to fire him?

I find McCain's comments on this matter (and Huckabee's too) to be thoughtful, intelligent and honorable. Three words I can't use to describe the comments of the majority of Clinton supports on here.

Yeah, she doesn't come off very well either, stoking the fire. Although McCain's safe to take the high road with the Clinton campaign doing the dirty work on this one, I guess.

Hey Harpo,

Will you always practice the politics of old when bashing what is approximately %50 of the Democratic electorate to date?

And here I had the audacity to hope that Obama supporters would practice what Obama preaches.

Oh well...

Harpo? Is that me?

Well, okay. When some of the Republicans are behaving with more class than this "50% of the Democratic electorate" you reference, then yeah, I'm going to "bash" them.

My audacious hope is for Hillary's supporters to show at least half the class of John McCain and Mike Huckabee? Is that asking too much?


Totally agree with you. I thought your remarks were wonderful. But like another reader, don't understand why someone like this individual - who wants to instigate anger in the US - was not fired. Kind of like Sawn Hannity should be fired for doing what he did yesterday about the false Black Panther thing.
Okay, I also must say. I have been making comments on blogs
for weeks now about the fact that while Obama is being "vetted" as Hillary likes to often say, for some reason the press is allowing stories about Clinton and McCain connections to just fade away at such a critical time. One example would be the $17M lawsuit that was filed against the Clintons re: campaign fraud and will be going to trial very soon. WHY aren't these things exposed?
I strongly believe that so much has to get out there before Pennsylvania - so that we do not have a repeat of Ohio where the voters trusted Hillary and voted for her. Today, we see the factual information about her strong support of Nafta. We can't let this happen again.
If "vetting" is happening with Obama - then it is unfair that the other candidates are not having to answer up to a lot of uncovered issues. Transparency for All!

Your avatar would seem to be accurate. How many times, directed to various different names do we get to see the same sophomoric drivel?

Dear Old Bag,
Ya know - When I realized that I had first replied to the wrong person, I took the chance of sending my "dribble" to the correct person. I wanted to post an apology, but didn't want to take up a third post. But now I find that a third post is necessary.

How very sad to become so irritated with small issues. Might I suggest that you spend your time reading about the upcoming Clinton trial or one of the many HILLARY LIED ABOUT NAFTA articles online today.

I thought OldBag was talking to CranialRectalLoopback.

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The move by McCain's aide could create controversy for the McCain camp, because the video itself is thoroughly reprehensible

You're joking, right? This isn't going to create controversy for McCain--this is gold. The video will get out there, even if it's been scrubbed from the site, and, McCain's campaign gets to take the high road, while constantly mentioning how reprehensible this video is...Hilarious!

As many other people have already commented, it's like Bill Shaheen apologizing for mentioning Obama's drug use...

The slime gets spread, the campaign gets the glory for being "principled".

Of course the video will get out there.
Look no further then this thread which provides the link while calling it reprehensible.

Same as Penn with his cocaine references while denying his actions.

Does anyone honestly believe that Sargent could not have written this up without providing the link and thereby promoting distribution of the 'thoroughly reprehensible' video?

Give. me. a. break.

Exactly. Greg, why did you link to the video?

I think it's over the top to criticize Greg for providing the link here. I'm glad to see the content of these smears laid out. If this was network television, and the video played over and over, I'd have a very different reaction. But I see no issue with Greg linking the video here on this site.

I'll give props to McCain as well. Someone within his campaign stepped over the line, and he took action. Now it'll be up to him to keep this from happening in the future.

CNN is already running the video.

*sigh*

...of course they are.

CNN has been one of the man real disappointments of this long primary.

*many

This is page one out of the Rovian book.

See, this is why people like McCain. I'm serious. He's more honorable than Clinton is, that's obvious. He may be an idiot and a war-monger, but people think he's at least decent. With Clinton? Not so much.

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I'm ashamed that there is a day when the GOP candidate has outclassed a major Democratic candidate in terms of ethical campaign behavior.

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If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say it was all planned. The video gets out there, and McCain gets to take the high road.

Note: I don't really believe that. I'm just saying that THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR MCCAIN!!!

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Even were it a conspiracy it shows that McCain is not blind to apperances. The same cannot be said for Sen Clinton's campaigns reactions to this situation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/two-questions-for-senator_b_92386.html#postComment

But it might be just over-the-top enough to make those who were uncertain whether Obama's speech was valid fall off the fence onto Obama's side. I hate to rub it in, but...

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR OBAMA!!!

Classy move on McCain's part.

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Good for mccain. Let's see we have obama and mccain agreeing to run a high minded campaign addressing issues and policy and then we have the trailer trashers, the clintons, wanting to wallow in the muck and mud. Which would you prefer?

And so McCain gets to take the high road while the Democrats tear each other apart.

Everyone looking forward to seeing the pattern repeat itself through August?

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McCain gets to publicly take the high road, reaping all the praise (see commenters above, and wait until the talking hairdoes on cable start drooling over this) while that video continues to spread, helped on by Fox airing the trash while explaining what a noble man St. John Straight Talkin' Maverick McCain is.

People, wake up.

And Greg just linked to that video. Greg, why are you participating in the right-wing media hit job on Obama?

TPM stands for full disclosure and full access to information. It would run against their principles if TPM hadn't linked to the video.

You've got this wrong: "Obama's wife saying that his candidacy has made him proud of America" - you mean "HER proud..." not "HIM proud..."

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Too late now -- what better way to get a VIDEO out there on every cable station but to SUSPEND the person that supposedly released it.

You can claim innocense and at the same time -- get the filth out there.

Payback McCain crew -- I'm sure you'll get yours.

This is an old, & unfortunately pretty successful, Rovian campaign tactic- get the despicable libel worthy smear/disinformation out there on your opponent via a surrogate or in some roundabout way, then publicize it even more by decrying it. St. John stays pure while the mud still hits the target.

Rove runs McBush's campaign; no mistaking his dirty fingerprints on this one.

Exactly what I was thinking.

It speaks pretty ill of the GOPers that this sort of double standard is expected and condoned.

I understand the political motivations behind Clinton's reticence on the subject but it makes for a pretty ghastly comparison when Huckabee and McCain are both explicitly defending him.

What America and the mainstream media along with talk radio and many pundits are doing to Obama right now is precisely why America has lost her global standing in the world.

It underscores the very issues that Wright was angry about, the social injustice and hypocrisy of America as they distribute thoroughly reprehensible tapes and endlessly loop Wrights snippets of a sermon to demonize Obama's candidacy.

Can no one see that this is precisely what our govenment did to Saddam Hussein and numerous other foreign leaders the way we hold disdain for others culture and promote Westernization is at the bottom of the jihadist extremism.

America does not respect other cultures even within it's own borders if the ethnic group is black.

The same anger that Wright expressed about America as a citizen who served in the military as a US Marine is the same anger that those responsible for 9/11 feel about America's hubris, arrogance and power.

this tape is nothing but the same type of propaganda our President and CIA push about heads of other nations when we decide they are no longer our allies.

It is these type of smear campaigns that justify and fan the flames of resentment, anger and hostility around econmic inequality and social injustice within the black community and which ministers address from the pulpit on Sunday mornings so that Americans who happen to be black can find spiritual meaning in their daily existence.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/


GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!

Public policy polling has hillary clinton within a 26 point lead .... clinton : 56% to obama: 30%

Also, she is not losing in north carolina by very much... north carolina might be a tight race:)


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viccissidudes -- thanks for the hilarious parody of the paranoid "biased against Obama" nonsense. very well done.

Greg:

Why did you link to the video?

Greg
Your snide commentary is precisely how rightwingconservatives and redneck Americans respond with hatemongering and the use of terms like islamofascism.

I would think that you would have sufficient critical thinking skills to understand that what happens in America with the mainstream media and how they create fear and prejudice towards black Americans and the black culture is precisely the same as how we fuel resentment towards Palestinians, Arabs and the muslim religion. It is identical.

This tape is a prime example of that. It is the same as how Cheney warned Americans about 'mushroom clouds' and AlQ being connected with Saddam Hussein.

This demonization of Obama is the exact same thing. There is no paranoia about here.

Cheney and the neocons spent months propagandizing America so that they could take this country to war and tapes like these demonizing Saddam Hussein and claiming he had WMD's is precisely how they did that.

The tape you are promoting on this thread while seemingly decrying it's reprehensibility is no different.

You need to answer why you are willingly promoting the tape.

Geeze what an classy thing to say.

So you're no longer just a hack but an a$$hole too? Oh well politics, bedfellows, etc.

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Being a smartass about it doesn't really help, Greg.

Hillary may end up proving to be more vicious than McCain.

Don't forget, John McCain has his own "pastor in the closet", John Hagee, whom he refused to throw under the bus. So he can appreciate Obama's position better.

Once Obama gets past Hillary, I predict McCain will be the easy part. The contrast is just too great.

And McCain's lips are a little too loose.

Indeed, why would McCain want to get involved? Then someone might ask him to explain some of the hideous things that Rod Parsley and John Hagee have said.

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Greg, could you address this:

The move by McCain's aide could create controversy for the McCain camp, because the video itself is thoroughly reprehensible --

How could you seriously write this? Without reflecting on the fact that you, yourself, have helped to distribute this "thoroughly reprehensible" video, or without recognizing that the McCain campaign is going to come off smelling like roses while crap is being spread?

I don't buy the constant claims of bias, but your treatment of this incident seems unusually naive.

He should "reject and denounce"

"I am disgusted at the very fact that someone would mention my opponent is an unpatriotic extremist!"

Finally, the media is beginning to focus on important issues that can help defeat Republicans in the fall, rather than divisions among Democrats!
-Trevor Wynne
Washington, DC

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The attorney says something inflammatory in a trial, then the judge tells the jury to disregard it, it's out there. The bell can't be un-rung.
Dirty Basketball may be another analogy. Sometimes making fouls can win a game.

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Considering this guy got hired because of his willingness to attack Mitt Romney on his blog, this episode is hardly a shining beacon of principle in politics.

Meanwhile, while we're talking about this...

A Democrat is calling out McCain on a real issue

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/20/mccain-ignores-gi-bill/

Yes, and that Democrat happens to be someone who would make an outstanding VP nominee to run with Obama -- Jim Webb.

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Rename the bus to the Hate Talk Express

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I linked to the video because there would be no proof that it existed otherwise, obviously. for the same reason that it was linked to yesterday on the main blog on the front page.

to read something into that is deeply ridiculous. sorry.

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I'm not taking issue with the linking--the video is already out there. I'm very curious about why you think this might be problematic for McCain. I can see only benefit for McCain.

Greg:

Can you ask the McCain campaign why he was only suspended and not fired? Given the fact that McCain previously put everyone on notice about this (I recall posts about the campaign manager reaching out to everyone) seems there was sufficient notice to fire this guy?

Thanks.

Greg, I've thought it over, and I apologize for reacting the way I did. However, Greg, the next time you contact the McCain campaign, will you ask them if this is going to be a repeated pattern, where their surrogate or aide does something, and then is suspended while the object leaked out gets play on the media, and the candidate disavows it? If you do that, you'd be one of the few media outlets calling them out on this obvious campaign strategy.

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I second this sentiment!

Please. Please, Greg, ask the McCain campaign if this is going to be a habit with them. Please.

I agree with you, Greg, on posting the link. I didn't watch it; your description was enough, as I've already seen the statements it contains, of course in context, not the way the video plays them. One must know the enemy, disgusting though he may be.

I, like commas, very much, they tickle me, to death.

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Could we please not adopt RIAA talking points? Providing a link is not the same as distributing a video. And Greg, I for one applaud you putting up the link. Isn't the blogosphere supposed to be better than the MSM because it allows us to inform ourselves and make our own decisions? No one's life is threatened by watching that video, and he put his own label on it at the link. Time for people to treat voters like adults, I think.

Pretty sad when a Republican is showing more leadership and integrity on this issue than a fellow Democrat. Yes, I'm looking at YOU Senator Clinton.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Pushing_Wright.html

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Showing leadership? I guess.

Benefitting hugely from being able to spread slime while denouncing it at the same time? I guess so, as well.

Fair enough. But my point was really about Senator Clinton. She had the chance to have a real Obama-Biden moment, but bigger where she was co-opting Obama's message of unity AND bringing the party together. Instead she opted for pushing this bullshit as well.

I'm not that exercised about McCain's grandstanding because, part of his motivation, is to innoculate himself from the same attacks for his actively seeking out Hagee, Parsley and Falwell.


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I just don't think Clinton (or anyone in her campaign) is capable of demonstrating that kind of leadership.

If she had done what you suggested, then the Obama campaign truly might have been mortally wounded, because Clinton would appear, dare I say, like an inspirational leader. Instead, we have the dispiriting reality of Lanny Davis fanning the flames of hatred.

pretty sad people calling themselves democrats have so much hatred for an opposing democratic candidate that they would rather praise the Republican who is already smearing their own candidate. Oh, that's right, you think it was all a mistake and that it will never happen again. In other words, you're just as naive and inexperienced as Obama.

Like Hillary praising McCain to put down Obama?

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Why stop only at suspension?

http://OsiSpeaks.com

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All this talk about McCain doing the classy thing is way off the mark, IMO. This is going to be the MO for the entire campaign -- a staffer or some other person not affiliated with the campaign will come out with some indenciary comment or video or whatever. McCain denounces it.

It's a twofer: it gets the nastiness out there, while McCain looks noble, classy, a "straight talker", when he denounces it.

It's BS. Mark my words -- it will happen time and again until November.

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And the media will fall for it, over and over and over and over.

The graciousness of McCain and Huckabee contrasts starkly with Hillary's bottom feeding efforts to exploit the Wright controvesy to grovel for superdelegates.

This self-proclaimed crosser of the commander-in-chief threshold has one threshold she'll never cross -- the one labeled character and decency.

McCain's actions today underscore why he'll win moderate, independent voters and many Obama supports who will defect if she wins the nomination.

Anyone who thinks this is the end of it, or that McCain isn't going to continue doing everything he can to keep this going in the minds of voters, doesn't know politics. He'll just do what Bush and Rove did - get some outside group like the switboaters to keep pushing it in the general election, while he pretends to be powerless to stop it.

The Republicans already have a sure way to beat Obama: McCain will take the high road, stressing his foreign policy experience and service to the country (in stark contrast to Obama), while other groups hammer on the theme that Obama and his pastor are two radical blacks who hate America. Democrats are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

The video is nothing less than what is to be expected in the GE. This version is just practice for the main event. The late-October videos will likely contain (legit or otherwise) video footage of Obama in the Church's front row, nodding his head in a agreement with the good Reverend Wright's "US of KKK A."

It's a well done video.

You are a piece of work.

How surprising that you show up on a thread about Obama and the Rev. Wright issue, and, in the guise of a Democrat worried about Obama's electability, state that, "It's a well done video."

Look up for just a moment from the bullshit trough you've been feeding at, and take a breath....Now look around. See anyone around who thinks you have anything productive to add?....No? Ok, you can go back to sucking down right wing bullshit again.

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As others have said, this is strategy, not error. It helps McCain in two ways - it gets the nastiness out there, and then after it's out there, he takes the high road, further cementing his media image as the only honorable politician in the galaxy.

Mind you, McCain doesn't have to know about this strategy. He may even truly be pissed that this guy did this, or that the talk radio guy went off on Obama while introducing McCain a few weeks back. But you can bet that this wasn't a mistake or wasn't the act of some "rogue" element in the campaign. And you can bet also that the reason he's "suspended" and not "fired" is because somebody in the campaign gave him the old nod and a wink.

And by the way, the video is disgusting. That this dude wasn't thrown out on the street after promoting this video speaks volumes.

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I actually found the video more annoying than anything else. There will be worse videos to come, I'm sure, accompanied by the requisite handwringing and apologies from the McCain camp, helped along by Lanny Davis from the Clinton camp fanning the flames of hatred. They'll all denounce the racism and hatred epitomized by the videos while making sure that every cable outlet shows them, over and over and over.

Sen. Clinton's refusal to defend Obama, not just against scurrilous tactics (the metaphorical crucifiction of Jeremiah Wright for political gain and just pure fun), but against the implication that Obama himself holds any belief similar to those in the Wright cariacature tape is so deeply disappointing.

For me this is a character issue that is far more important that your exact plan for health care or energy independence. Those are of course words on paper. Your character cannot be tinkered with by experts or changed in committee or subverted by lobbyist. It is who you are.

John McCain for all his beliefs that I disagree with him on, is a fundamentally decent person who is willing to respect and defend the honor of those he disagrees with.

Mr. Clinton cannot bear to bring herself to do it, apparently because this is her last best hope of being elected. Of course she has never been able to do it. It's because of who she is.

That is shocking and so disappointing to me considering she is someone who has been so long a target of unfair, false, scurrilous and vicious negative attacks. Especially for someone who relied on so many of us defending her and her husband for so long. This whole affairis not just a campign tactic. This is not just "vetting". This is not a necessary gauntlet or a routine hazing. It is the politics of personal destruction (against Mr. Wright, all the members of his congregation, and of course Sen. Obama)and it is fundamentally dishonorable.

There are many, many circumstances when I would willingly vote for the nominee of the party of which I am a member even when my candidate of preference loses. Indeed I have done it many times. (and just for the record, I supported in primaries Gore in 88, Kerrey in 92, Clinton in 96, Gore in'00, and Dean in '04). At first it is hard, but one reconciles.

Alas, if Obama does not win the nomination, I feel I could not do this for Sen. Clinton. I won't vote for her. I guess I won;t vote at all. She simply lacks the character, and this sad incident, I am truly sorry to say, proves it.

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What's more important? Having one's favorite candidate elected, or having a Democrat in the White House, and stronger Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress?

I'd like all these things. My priority is the second, though, and I'll vote for Clinton, disappointed and grossed out by her campaign as I am, if she's the nominee, because we cannot afford another Republican White House. No.

But I believe that if Clinton wins the white house we'll end up losing congress in 2010 or 2012. I agree with you on the republican white house thing, but do I want us to lose any chance of meaningful Democratic governance of this country for another couple of decades? I hates this, yes I do.

Like I said, normally the answer to that is to elect any democrat. I've done it plenty of times. But any democrat without a shred of honor is a disaster that will cost the party far more dearly in the long-term. Like I said this is a deep deep character issue that is too revealing. It's painful to come to that realization, and I do not say it as sort of emotional blackmail towards Clinton supporters. I am just fed up.

McCain is the reason why America is outraged over race.


If his campaign surrogate didn't leak this video on to the internet, FoX News would have never known videos existed and check the church's website to purchase those DVDs.

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This came from Michael Sherer at Swampland in discussing the suspension of the McCain staffer responsible for spreading the tripe:

Dayton’s suspension comes just a week after the McCain campaign sent reporters a opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal suggesting that Obama’s relationship with Wright showed his radical agenda. The McCain campaign later said that the article was sent out in error, and McCain told Fox News’s Sean Hannity that he does not hold Wright’s inflammatory statements against Obama.

Yes, John McCain is very classy. His campaign, on the other hand, is as sleazy as they come.

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This god damned software sucks a big one. Would you people spend a couple of bucks on some decent forum software?

Jesus, I just had to reset my password twice and have not even left the forking site.

Maybe it's you? As an Obama supporter might suggest, maybe you're a Clinton supporter and you're evil, and that's why it doesn't work for you.

The site's login system is crappy, it support cookie storing.

You have to login twice before posting, the first time you sign-in before post it will reject your password, so just click the login button again and your comment will be submitted.

Here's what works for me: I enter my password, hit "send", and when it says it's invalid, I just hit "send" again. Works every time, and saves me resetting and resetting and resetting.

What about McStain's illegitimate black baby? How did THAT happen?

That's just naive. Some oppo team would have dug it out at some point. Better now when he could respond, have his speech and his vision enter the public consciousness and move on than in October.

Best of all would have been if Rev Wright hadn't recorded his sermons and his church hadn't thought to sell them. That in itself shows how unexceptional this stuff is in black church circles.

Why didn't McCain save this for the general election? Obama is supposedly the candidate Republicans want.

Actually, that's a good question.

Here's my theory:

They feel that McCain can't be Obama, so they need Hillary to win. Thus, the primary sabotage. This fits in well with Rush-Republicans voting for Clinton as well.

They really are THAT scared of Obama!

OK, now here's how Hillary can win in November: just let McCain dig himself a hole half a mile deep. Leave him be, let this stuff keep happening, while he proves himself unqualified because he lacks any vision whatsoever for any issue whatsoever he'd deal with as president.

right after I send "send:" McCain can't BEAT Obama

I think that McCain can neither be nor beat Obama in November.

Most of these real-time controversial surrogate comments are intentional and planned. I don't understand why that notion is still dismissed as "conspiracy theory" sometimes. This campaign tactic is as conventional as the stump speech at this point. And it's a logical extension of campaigns counting on 527 groups to do their dirty work for them.

What has kept me in Obama's camp on this issue is the fact that they chose a gender- and race-neutral epithet--"monster"--when they decided, after Ohio and Texas, that they were disadvantaging themselves too much by staying away from this tactic. They tried to invoke outrage over negative and destructive campaigning rather than appeal to something like gender bias at a time in the race when the male vote was arguably susceptible to that sort of appeal.

That difference might seem like a fine distinction, but to me it's emblematic of Obama's precarious but persistent effort to run a different kind of campaign while also staying in a game that rewards negative politics.

McCain's hands obviously aren't clean in this area so it's only self-interest to pronounce that candidates aren't responsible for all the opinions/words of their supporters and endorsers. However even giving lip service to this opinion is better than Hillary essentially mocking Obama's speech when she was in Michigan pandering to the voters and conniving with the state party to get her own way. McCain looks classy and Hillary has absolutely no class at all.

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"The site's login system is crappy, it support cookie storing.

You have to login twice before posting, the first time you sign-in before post it will reject your password, so just click the login button again and your comment will be submitted.
Posted by jefo
March 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink

Here's what works for me: I enter my password, hit "send", and when it says it's invalid, I just hit "send" again. Works every time, and saves me resetting and resetting and resetting."

lol. I did not know that. Thanks guys. Funny though, I had already posted several times then it rejected me. Oh well, computers and servers are eeeevil.

Here is the bottom line.

Of course Obama couldn't kick Wright to the curb, since it appears that probably 80% of African-Americans agree with Wright's statements. Obama can't afford to lose any votes.
After his speech I didn't know what he was running for, maybe president of the coming one world govt.
He has relatives all over the world. How can he know this? Just try tracking ancestry back past your great grandfather sometime.
I"m starting to see the "snake oil salesmen" show thru his finely crafted facade

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Repeat 100x --McCain has no virtues

Let me count the ways he is such a scoundrel:
He misspeaks, he makes gaffe. He blunders along. Is it that he doesn't know or that his mind is gone? Whatever it is, older Republican politicians get a pass. Fun guys...

McCain is dangerous though.
Straight talker speaks with forked tongue!
He says he is a nice person but he seems to be as nice as the Clintons: he said horrible things about Chelsea Clinton and answered sweetly the Hillary, the bitch question sent his way.
It's been long known that McCain speaks with forked tongue (torture is good, torture is bad, immigration is good, immigration is bad, lobbying is good, lobbying is bad--he is, indeed, the candidate of change), plus, he has a hair-trigger temper, plus, a trophy wife who looks like a zombie.

He dumped his disabled first wife to marry his current fabulously wealthy trophy wife and beer heiress.
She's some sort of control freak/pill addict and he's just seconds away from exploding on someone who crosses him.
The lobbyists drive his straight talk bus and once in the Oval office he'd probably enjoy watching the military waterboard someone. He's dangerous!
Dr Wu, the last of the big time thinkers

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God damned software made me reset my password again. How many times do I have to go through this bs?

I've reset the god damned thing 6 times.

Jeez.

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unbelievable.

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Is there any link that would let me talk to board admin about it?

STOP THE RESETTING!

Enter your name & password. Hit enter. When it comes back and says your password is invalid, hit enter again. It will go through. I started having this trouble a week ago and since I discovered the second-try trick I get in every time.

And if it really, really drives you crazy just on principle, use the "send comments and news tips" button at the top right of the screen. But I suspect it's just a buggy bug, so don't take it personal.

"We have been very clear on the type of campaign we intend to run and this staffer acted in violation of our policy. He has been reprimanded by campaign leadership and suspended from the campaign."


A stinking reprimand? He should have been FIRED. Since he was not, this was done with knowledge as in wink wink nod nod and now the vid is out there but McSame can continue to walk about sainted.

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This stuff is pure Rove. Let some underling leak a racist video, "suspend" him (but don't fire him! We may need him later!) and then come out like your shit doesn't stink.

I hope Olbermann and others don't let McCain get away with this.

What is TPM waiting for to report PassportGate? This is huge news!

If the Bush Administration knew Obama's info at the state dept had been breached 50 days ago - its ABSURD that he was not informed till now.

What is the difference between McCain and Spitzer?

Spitzer paid, McCain got paid..

Of course McShame cannot say too much not only because of his recently proclaimed acceptance of Hagee but also in the past having called Robertson and Falwell "Agents of Intolerance" and now accepts their endorsement and specifically stated he no longer thinks of them as such!! A side by side video of his (and the preachers comments) would be worse than the Wright videos IMHO.

Here is the link I forgot to include in above post...it is Colbert Report "The Word" which shows the hypocrisy of McShame on this.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=920

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Just one quibble: did you have to use the word 'tar' in relation to Obama? Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but when your story is about race baiting...well, damn!

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