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Hillary: Wright "Would Not Have Been My Pastor"

Okay, here we go. In an interview today with reporters and editors of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Hillary made what I think are her first extensive critical remarks about the Jeremiah Wright controversy, suggesting that Obama should have moved to another church in response to Wright's comments...

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."...

The Clinton campaign has refrained from getting involved in the controversy, but Clinton herself, responding to a question, denounced what she said was "hate speech."

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus (who was fired from his radio and television shows after making racially insensitive remarks), saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that," Clinton said. "I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."

That is an implicit criticism of Obama for not "speaking out" or "moving" churches in response to revelations about Wright's views. Obama, however, has spoken out against Wright, denouncing his more controversial views in multiple interviews and in his big speech on race relations, though he has not disavowed the church.

Hillary made the comments in a newspaper in blue-collar-voter-rich Pennsylvania, where she needs a big win on April 22nd to keep her electoral hopes alive. The Tribune-Review says that some of what Hillary said was in response to a question. We'll bring you video or a transcript as soon as we can.


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She knows what she's doing - re-opening the wound so she can get her Bosnia headlines off the cover. If there were any doubt that she's willing to tear down the Democratic party, this seals it. She now sounds like Rush Limbaugh talking about the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Super delegates, what more do you need? End this.

Oh you mean like changing the subject from Rev Wright when you cry and whine about your passport being looked at. That worked until it turns out Hillary and McCain's had been as well and the person responsible was a Obama Campign worker.

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Geez, it's time consuming rebutting the lies you keep putting out there. PLease supply the link that documents that the person who looked at Obama, McCain, and Clinton's passport was an Obama campaign worker, or, STFU.

You knew this was coming, didn't you?

Wow, speaking out about Don Imus! That definitely passes the Commander in Chief Test. Can't wait to hear what she says about Ahmadinejad!

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Yeah, she spoke out about Chris Matthews and David Shuster, too. But what Carville said about Richardson is just fine. So is whatever Bush wants to manufacture about WMDs.

It's a serious case of selective-speaking-out-ism.

Yeah, she spoke out about Chris Matthews and David Shuster, too.

It makes you wonder why since she's taken on these guys that she's given McCain a pass:

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

Ain't selective memory a funny thing....

Can anyone find a clip of her speaking out about Imus? Or is she misspeaking again and was really speaking out about her favorite pancake plate being taken off the IHOP menu?

"You don't choose family" ???

But you chose Bill. Are you implying something catty about your own daughter ? I wouldn't put it past you. May be your daughter is seeing what a repugnant mother you are and is rebelling ?

Speaking of catty, I like your avatar.

I wasn't being catty, btw. I really do like it.

Thanks. But you should see what she brings home everybody,... umm.. not unlike HRC, I would say.

oops, that should have read:

Thanks. But you should see what she brings home everyday,... umm.. not unlike HRC, I would say.

An aside - Greg, do you plan to have editing facility in your site ? (That could also help you emend - that is right, not amend - your snorky BHO comments)

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You know when I read what she said I thought" that makes sense..." but of course you are quite right... she chose Bill, and when Bill did things she didn't like... she stuck with him.

Now most people don't think they are "married" to their church in quite the same way, so what she says may sound possible.

But Obama, if he REALLY wants to play hardball, could say "I noticed you didn't leave Bill when he behaved badly... well I didn't leave my pastor when he behaved badly."

Will the public buy that? Maybe not. Or maybe yes. Hmmmmm.

She digging herself in a deeper hole. After that Bosnia lie, she trying to turn the page. We aren't going to let ler. Where's those tax returns Hillary?

Yes, but let's not take the bait. Today's talking points: 1). Hillary's technicolor imagination on Bosnia trip; 2). tax returns.

And then we focus on the positive momentum from Obama's race speech. No need to jump back into the mud with Hillary.

No , today's talking points as are everyday's: who should be the nominee of the party.

Don't be distracted.

Today's statement says more about her character than anything in any tax statement or the embellished recollections of her Bosnia trip. She is throwing her chips in with those who think Wright is preaching hate speech and who think Obama is stained by the association.

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Wow. Hillary has been outspoken against people using divisive language?

That is simply amazing.

Hey Hillary! How about your's and Bill's longtime family friend Sheriff Harry Lee?
Quotes from former Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee:

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood -- I'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising around -- they'll be stopped."

"I'm going to catch that bastard, and when I catch him, he is going to be black. I just don't give a damn what people think of me anymore. If that was their daughter and we weren't doing that, they would be on our ass."

When residents of an all-black neighborhood in Avondale complained about police brutality, Lee pulled all deputies from the neighborhood.

Notably, after Hurricane Katrina, Sheriff Lee sent his deputies to assist the Gretna PD prevent evacuees from New Orleans to cross the Crescent City Connection Bridge into Jefferson Parish.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsgwajStCo
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Harry Lee hosted a private fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in May. Hillary Clinton was in attendance at the fundraiser.

Both Clintons are longtime friends of Sheriff Lee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commenc...

http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/10/local_and_s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4917694

You did not disown him when he put up an armed blockade preventing Katrina victims from crossing the bridge to meet the buses the victims were told were coming.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsgwajStCo

She makes me sick

No, I didn't. I really thought she was turning over a new leaf. I thought she had seen the writing on the wall, and had decided to keep going -- but in a classy way.

Obviously, I'm disappointed.

I concur. I have been rolling it over and over in my head for the last week. If Hillary did crush Obama in PA and beyond and won the nomination above boards, I've been convincing myself that I MUST vote for the party's nominee and remain involved in the process in a positive way. Every time I manage soften my thoughts with regards to her candidacy, she drags me back into the gutter. Why can't she tell me in a positive manner; her plans for the presidency? Can she do anything besides pander?
She used to be my second choice. I can't deal with 4 or 8 more years of drama. I'm spent.

Well she decided not to tackle race, but she did try Bosnia:
"I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke."

Yep! She got it right!

1. Transparent attempt to deflect attention from her misstatements.

2. Natural question is why did she and Bill invite this guy to the White House then?

3. The "Family"?

What's the big deal about "The Family"? I read the article that some unhelpful Obama fan posted half a dozen times. Hillary goes to prayer breakfasts with Republicans. How is that supposed to be a negative?

It's also called "The Fellowship."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-2.html

I don't like my Democratic candidate meeting secretly with anyone.

Especially not Republicans like John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), Tom Delay, and Sam Brownback.

But, hey, if that's OK with you...

Hm, I am with RabbitSmorgasbord here. Eating breakfast with John Ashcroft and Sam Brownback is not that terribly great a concern to me. There are a million good reasons not to vote for her in this election, but this is not one of them.

The Spiritual Leader of this group has said some pretty off the wall crap. It wasn't about hanging out with John Ashcroft.

If viewed in full, Rev. Wright's sermons aren't the least bit frightening either.

The problem here is that HILLARY is using Rev. Wright as political fodder, while her own faith hasn't been vetted. For something that is described in the articles posted below as "Theocratic Fascism", shouldn't that concern us a little bit?


"The Family" has supported directly some of the most unsavory characters out there, including the fascist Suharto, whom they actually got the U.S. government to support against its own policies (not to mention the Brazilian Junta and a few other dictators). They are quite clearly fascist.

BTW, They are also reported to have a pretty scary fascination with Hitler...

This is not an innocent "prayer breakfast" we're talking here. This is a bona fide group of fascists.

And Hillary is one of them.

Did those people at the fellowship made anti american remarks such as KKKAmerica, Damn America, etc...

Well?

If you TOOK THE TIME TO READ Wright's statements in full, you would discover that he said NOTHING anti-American. Did he criticize America's willingness to attack other countries and kill innocent civilians with no regard to possible consequences? Yes. Did he condemn the white-against-black racism and discrimination that still persist in our country? Without a doubt. But he did NOT make blanket statements against all of America. Forgive me for not subscribing to your narrow-minded jingoism, but valid criticisms of American society are NOT the same as explicit hatred toward everything American.

It's also called "The Fellowship."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-2.html

I don't like my Democratic candidate meeting secretly with anyone.

Especially not Republicans like John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), Tom Delay, and Sam Brownback.

But, hey, if that's OK with you...

And, she wouldn't be sleep deprived at 3 am answering the red phone?

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i'm starting to get this sick feeling in my stomach that the next president is going to be john mccain...

Welcome to the club. I've been here about a week.

NO! No not this time, banish those thoughts. We will win because we have to win. Get out there like mad, campaign till you ruin your health. Use some of those storied Chicago Style politics, unleash hell. And if somehow, somehow we lose in November have it be at 3 am after the last polls close and come at you like the left hook you never saw coming.

None of that talk!

As a Carter confidant wryly observed, "the Clintons are right there when they need you."


DAVID BROOKS

For three more months, Clinton is likely to hurt Obama even more against McCain, without hurting him against herself. And all this is happening so she can preserve that 5 percent chance.
When you step back and think about it, she is amazing. She possesses the audacity of hopelessness.
Why does she go on like this...Clinton’s long rear-guard action is the logical extension of her relentlessly political life.
For nearly 20 years, she has been encased in the apparatus of political celebrity. Look at her schedule as first lady and ever since. Think of the thousands of staged events, the tens of thousands of times she has pretended to be delighted to see someone she doesn’t know, the hundreds of thousands times she has recited empty clichés and exhortatory banalities, the millions of photos she has posed for in which she is supposed to appear empathetic or tough, the billions of politically opportune half-truths that have bounced around her head.
No wonder the Clinton campaign feels impersonal. It’s like a machine for the production of politics. It plows ahead from event to event following its own iron logic. The only question is whether Clinton herself can step outside the apparatus long enough to turn it off and withdraw voluntarily or whether she will force the rest of her party to intervene and jam the gears.
If she does the former, she would surprise everybody with a display of self-sacrifice. Her campaign would cruise along at a lower register until North Carolina, then use that as an occasion to withdraw. If she does not, she would soldier on doggedly, taking down as many allies as necessary.


Parasites

Don't get too comfortable quoting Brooks for your own purposes. He will attempt to assassinate Obama's character when the time is right.

Link please?

The Clintons know that their chances this time around are getting slimmer and slimmer. Their best hope now is for 2012. Therefore they must try to assure a McCain victory in '08 by trashing Obama as much as they can. They have already several times explicitly stated that McCain is preferable to Obama. They do not care one bit for a Dem White House victory this year unless they are at the head of the ticket. Their decision to exploit the Wright imbroglio is an obvious part of their commitment to thoroughly destroy Obama's chances of winning against McCain. I'm surprised it's taken them this long to get around to it. Maybe they first had to market-test it to make sure it wouldn't backfire.

Their decision to exploit the Wright imbroglio is an obvious part of their commitment to thoroughly destroy Obama's chances of winning against McCain.

No, it's an obvious part of their commitment to thoroughly destroy Obama's chances of winning PA.

Gee lets all listen to republican davis Brooks for advice.

Here's a better idea. Let's all listen to Republican Hillary Clinton!

Gee, let's all attack fellow Democrats in the pages of a paper owned by the guy who funded the Arkansas Project.

Who cares what David Brooks thinks!

The Tribune-Review, of course, is Richard Mellon-Scaife's money-losing, rabidly right-wing Pittsburgh corollary to the Washington Times.

The Tribune-Review, of course, is Richard Mellon-Scaife's money-losing, rabidly right-wing Pittsburgh corollary to the Washington Times.

So Hillary's looking for the Limbaugh vote again

Nah. PA is a closed primary. It is one thing to create mischief in the Democratic primary by becoming a Democrat for a day; but for dittoheads, to register as Democrat is probably a bridge too far. Moderate Republicans that changed the registration in good conscience will probably far outnumber mischief makers.

Think of the children! How could he have exposed his daughters to that kind of stuff over so many years?

Is that where we are going with this?

How could she have exposed her daughter to a Dad who was repeatedly unfaithful?

How about we leave it at: Nobody outside the marriage or the church can ever know in full what the relationship is about, and those questions are irrelevant to the choice before us.

Let's pick our best nominee and defeat McCain.

"Obama, however, has spoken out against Wright, denouncing his more controversial views in multiple interviews and in his big speech on race relations, though he has not disavowed the church."
Obama spoke out after listening to this American hater for 20 years only after the American public got wind of it. He said nothing and did nothing for 20 years. Enough said.

What do you mean enough said? Naw, F-that. define patriotism for me. Pretty please.

Patriotism is drawing a line in the sand when your Pastor screams God Damn America several times in Church in front of children. It is saying America bashing is not cool on the Sunday after 9/11.
You renounce it when it happens. Not years later when using it for political spin.

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Absolutely. PRoblem is, reality-challenged poster that you appear to be, Obama wasn't there when Wright blasted those words....Oops.

Funny.

On Easter Sunday, I got into a conversation with an old friend that approached me about Obama/Wright.

She's an old school Dem and she expressed her concern for the party if Obama got the nomination. Concern may be the wrong word. It was more like disgust with the situation.

She refused to believe his excuse that he wasn't there for the sermon. I asked her what would have happened if our pastor had made such remarks and she shot back very passionately: "Not only would ten people have called me by three o'clock to tell me about it, he would have been defrocked by nightime."

People don't buy it. A church is a community. You know all the gossip about everyone and you know all the scandals, pretty much immediately.

That's the reality of church going America, a reality a vast majority of the country knows very well.

Actually, that is a different dynamic between white and black folk. I grew in dozens of foster homes. My white foster parents often switched churches. My black foster homes never switched churches.

Defrocked by nighttime??? HA.


As a Catholic (and my brother is a priest before you try to go there), I am more sensitive than most to the DOZENS of scandals that have rocked dioceses across the country resulting in hundreds of millions in payouts.


If defrocking and abandoning ministers and churches were as common as you seem to think, MKyleM, there would be barely be any Catholic churches left. However, churches are like family and the ties run deep.


There is NO evidence that Wright's sermons were uniformly critical of American policies.

There is NO evidence that his "United States of the KKK" quip was a common refrain. As an aside, since there was a time in our nation's history when the KKK was not only tacitly ignored by the law, but ENCOURAGED in their pursuits, how is that an explicitly invalid moniker? I'm just saying.


As others have noted, there are thousands of hours of Wright's sermons. There are scores of hours available on DVD. In the weeks since this "scandal" broke there have been no new "horrible Wright quotes" unearthed. That says a lot about how far they had to dig to scrape together their hit list.

Not for nothing, the "chickens come home to roost" sermon specifically referenced UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR PECK. This is anti-American????
Lastly,

so patriotism is eschewing criticism of the state? Was martin luther king jr unpatriotic for suggesting that a just God would bring retribution on the US for the untold death of vietnamese? Is it unpatriotic to criticize american foreign policy?

should our discourse be limited to what can be absorbed costlessly by children?

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No, that is called nationalism. There's a difference.

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Bullshit. Real patriotism includes the right to speak freely about an American foreign policy that created Osama bin Laden for its own selfish purposes before he turned on us and us on him. It has been the same with a whole lot of despots over many, many decades. We make 'em then we break 'em. That's why Wright was talking about the chickens coming home to roost. He's right about that, you know. We humans (collectively) are the architects of our own destruction. It has always been true and it will continue to be true. We reap what we sow.

I think Wright's language was too strong, but you will find no shortage of condemnationof the sons of Abraham in the Old Testament. Live with it.

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No, patriotism means love of your fellow citizens.

Not love of a symbol.

Not love of a piece of real estate.

These are not what nations are made of. Nations are made up of people.

Though inartfully worded, Rev. Wright was speaking out about a group of people our nation has not loved. That is not "unpatriotic". In fact, the most unpatriotic thing that one can do is turn a blind eye to the injustice that one's nation commits against one's fellow citizens. To point out that one's nation is not perfect, that it needs improvement in certain areas - as in its treatment of your fellow citizens - is not unpatriotic.

Well said.

No, patriotism is what right wing americans feel unquestioningly for their country. When foreigners experience similar feelings for their countries it is called nationalism. People on the left should be too sceptical to have that kind of unquestioning regard for any institution of authority.

Having patriotism is quite a different thing from loving your country. You can love something and still recognize its flaws.

I'm always startled when someone claims that right after 9/11 was no time to criticize America. Before the sun had gone down there were demands for war and invasion, death and retribution. None of that was impolite or distasteful, but in that environment if you asked the question of whether this could have been provoked by the US history of hegemony and interference in the middle east you were screamed down like you were Bin Laden himself.

When is the appropriate time to ask why you are going to war if not then? F@#king Wanker

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I think the people who call anyone who criticizes America as somehow being unworthy of having friends hates America a lot more rev. Wright.

In any event, he wasn't saying things like that every day, it was only very rarely, which is why you only have 20-30 seconds of clips from how ever long that guy's carrier was.

And by the way. Hillary's "Spiritual Advisor" is Billy Graham, who has made anti-semitic comments in the past (on the Watergate tapes)

This same man that served honorably in the US Marine Corps?

This same man that has given 2,000+ sermons, a whopping total of maybe 10 that were offensive?

Suddenly he's anti-American because you happen to prefer a differnt candidate? Have we really sunken to the point where we're going to question one another's patriotism just because we don't agree with their perspective?

Maybe Gen. McPeak wasn't that far off after all...

McCarthyism indeed.

You are a coward and a liar and until you are willing to serve your country in uniform like Jeremiah Wright did, we all know what kind of person you are. Punk.

that's a ridiculous statement. I served in the military and I don't think it gives me special license to be a patriot.

I refuse to let cowards who would never serve their country in uniform defame people willing to do so. We are talking about some vague notion of patriotism here, not treason. Equating dissent with being un-American is the only un-Americanism I see here.

That's insane. Someone isn't a coward if they haven't served and they aren't automatically not a coward if they have served. that makes my father a cowad. that makes my mother a coward. That makes my wife a coward. how can you defend that statement? Cowardice is a comment on someone's action and disposition, not their prior record.

Fundamentally, character questions exist closer to the present tense than the past. If John McCain was tortured in North Vietnam that doesn't mean he is right about torture whenever he speaks about it. If he agrees with bush/cheney that torture is ok when we do it, then he is wrong, past experiences nonwithstanding.

You've silently run from every thread where I or anyone else has asked you this question. Let's do it once more emphasis:

Explain why you believe anything he said is "anti-white" or "anti-american", keeping in mind that those labels by definition mean he was railing against ALL whites and ALL of America.

We'll wait.

And, once again I ask, upon what do you base your theory that the seven minutes you've seen on Youtube are all there is to his ministry? That these seven minutes are typical rather than exceptional? And how do you square that with the fact that, if these seven minutes were typical, there'd be more of it out there, now, wouldn't there?

Why didn't you post your usual litany of his other sermons? I think that your list of links is a very effective response to this sort of nonsense.

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America hater?

What a profoundly stupid assertion by you.

So it is hating America to say that 9/11 was blow-back for our fucked up policies overseas for decades?

So it is America hating to point out the sins of America's history of genocide against native Americans, or medical experiments on black men in Tuskegee, or jim crow laws, or lynchings, of daisy cutters and hiroshima?

What a dumb-fuck statement.

Again have to point out: Where in Obama's speeches, writings or actions as an elected official is there evidence that he's taken the worst of Wright's comments (themselves taken out of context) to heart?

I bet those two girls will grow up fine Americans.

Can we finally put this crap to bed: Reverend Wright's sermon in which he allegedly made the comments blaming America for 9/11, He was quoting Ambassador Edward Peck, who made those comments on FOX NEWS the day after the 9/11 attacks. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
Has ANYONE watched these 'inflammatory sound bites in context?
The real story is how the media influences the national discourse and how utterly gullible the electorate is.

That is patently untrue and you must know it. Two sermons do not properly represent the entire body of a man's life work. If Wright was spewing anti-Americanism every Sunday, NO POLITICIAN would have remained in the church AND YOU KNOW IT. Stop pretending. It's too Republican(ish); suspending disbelief and all.

Were you aware that this America-hater served in the USMC?

Dissent is patriotic.

Hillary is such a horrorable person.

It seems like she saw the latest Rasmussen poll in PA showing Obama only 10 points behind, and she decided to try to make Wright an issue again - inject division - and hope the media picks up on it.

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Good way to stay classy, Hillary.

How much do people think the AA turnout would be down from 2004 if by some catastrophe she were nominated? 10%? 20%?

That is what I was thinking. Not that she really stood a chance before giving this interview, but this interview is just one more reason why she cannot win in November (assuming, of course, that she could miraculously win in August). Attacking the black church is a great way to drive down the turnout of African American voters to the polls in November. Democrats cannot win without a substantial black turnout in certain swing states. Hillary Clinton is playing with fire here and I hope that the superdelegates are paying attention.

One of the key problems in American life is that people abandon communities and groups too easily, and only try to associate with like-minded people so as to avoid engaging diverse views. It is very sad to see HRC endorsing such fragmentation, by suggesting that persons should simply abandon a faith community or association whenever disagreements arise, and suggesting that churches are to be chosen, and unchosen, like breakfast cereals. Obama has done it just right. He expresses disagreement with some of the statements of the pastor, and condemns things that should be condemned, but does not facilely abandon his church.n A faith community is not just a personality cult for the minister or priest or rabbi. Everyone who belongs to a church or synogogue hears things he or she disagrees with, sometimes very strongly, that is no reason to leave the community/congregation itself.
The Clintons, on the other hand, are always quick to dump even close friends if they see any political advantage in doing so: we can also remember that from the 1990s.

Very well said.

Of course in my personal point of view, I agree with most of what Wright said.

Mike Huckabee, Jack Kemp, Chris Wallace, Michael Smerconish. These men defended Obama in regards to Wright.

Clinton uses the episode to her political advantage.

Go Democrats! United and strong!

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does Hillary even go to church? does she even know the name of her pastor?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

I doubt that the Obama team brings up Hillary's Right-Wing Cult...

...but there's a reason that people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

hehe, well, religion is actually not a good topic for Mrs. Clinton to delve into, as you can see here - http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

The cult of power where Hillary worships hasn't been discussed much lately, but it is pretty shocking.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Rev. Wright may not have been her pastor, but the Clintons sure as hell leaned on him pretty hard when they made their appeal to God. Maybe she was too sleep-deprived to remember that.

The madness must come to an end.

Pennsylvania, where she needs a big win on April 22nd to keep her electoral hopes alive.

A big win in PA doesn't keep her electoral hopes alive. Whether she wins or loses in PA, her only hope is for some sort of major meltdown to happen to Obama, so that the super-delegates have a sound reason to overrule the pledged delegates and give the nomination to Hillary.

They had hoped that Wright would be that blow to Obama's campaign, and Hillary is still trying to fan the flames -- and in the process finding herself out-classed by McCain, who said he knew Obama and knew that Obama didn't share those views.

In any other scenario Obama gets to the convention with more pledge delegates, with a far stronger fundraising record, etc., etc. And the super-delegates aren't going to overrule the pledged delegates in that situation. They aren't stupid, and they know that doing so without a compelling reason would rip the party apart.

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Hillary just lost what ever vote she had of mine.

Stop pretending that you were going to vote for her. You can keep your vote.

Stop trashing our party. I'm trying like hell to soften my mind to an HRC nomination; just in case she does crush him in PA and beyond. I'll vote for her if she wins the nomination above boards. She used to be my second choice and I'm trying like hell. Can you please find it in yourself, CAN WE, to try and continue this race without trashing each other and sabotaging our chances in Novemeber? Subjecting our country to four more years of neocon rule would likely do permanent damage to our country. I hope most of us can agree on that.

Just reminds me she had the opportunity to look magnanimous during this whole situation (like McCain) and she's just continued to blow it. Pretty pathetic. But I've learned not to expect anything less from her.

I have to agree with Hillary. While Obama selectively spoke out against some of the most controversial of Jeremiah Wright's remarks, he did so only after those remarks became widely known in the middle of his campaign. It strains credibility that he was unaware of Wright's views. He remained a member of that church for over 20 years, described Wright as an important mentor, included Wright in his campaign's religious advisory council, was inspired by Wright, and used Wright's words as the title of of one of his books, "The Audacity of Hope". And he still stands by the man. Hate speech is hate speech. Had Hillary's pastor been exposed as a man who gave fiery sermons against African Americans, I very much doubt her campaign could survive politically. For Obama to explain that such sermons are common in black churches in America is shocking. It would not be condoned in white churches. I believe Mr. Obama should have rejected that church and not exposed himself or his family to it.

If you read all the analysis of his sermons, you'll find they aren't hate speech.

Of course I did just ask you to read...

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No, Obama had spoken out earlier as well, it's just that no one paid any attention because the comments had not sparked 'controversy'

He has explained again and again the distinction he made between knowing Wright had some fairly provocative far-left opinions on some political issues but since Obama did not agree with them, since it was rarely mentioned of the pulpit, and since Wright was his beloved pastor whose relationship with O. had more to do with Jesus and their relationship to social justice, he never was bothered by them and was able to compartementalize them away in the "People we love but don't always agree with".
The media has been obsessing over what amounts to three soundbites that were more shocking but out of 20 years of sermons, I would say that's a fairly low number that makes it likely Obama did not know about the harsh tone Wright had taken at times.

Ah, a concern troll. You and Senator Clinton must have been napping when he gave his speech. Here's the relevant part:

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way.
But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/03/18/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_53.php

Now, run along. I'm sure there is something else you could be expressing your concern about. Like Senator Clinton's inability to release her tax returns or her chronic allergic reaction to the truth.

Right on. Although I call it the Audacity of Nope since he decided to disenfranchise voters in Florida and Michigan.

Would that mean that Hillary is ready to Disenfranchise Since Day One, since she signed the very same pledge?

Would that mean that Hillary is ready to Disenfranchise Since Day One, since she signed the very same pledge?

FYI, the "pledge" was to not campaign in the states that jumped the line. That's all the pledge was about. Nothing more.

Keep up already. Jesus Hussein Christ.

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While I don't find much to object to in Wright's remarks, asking Obama to reject his church is basically asking him to reject the Black community as a whole.

He is a Black man. He belongs to a Black Christian church. Sometimes, his church like many Black Christian churches, expresses views that may make Whites uncomfortable. But if you are saying that a member of his church is somehow not able to be President, you are pretty much saying that mainstream African Americans as a whole are not qualified to become President.

And that is unacceptable... or should be.

Obama has put the right distance between himself and some views of his church. Those who are unwilling to accept that he can belong without fully endorsing, are basically saying that there is a whole community in America that, by being a member of it, disqualifies one from high office.

This boils down to rank, concious? semi-concious? unconcious?, racism.

As you say , "Hate speech is hate speech."

So now please tell me what part of his sermons qualify? I watched about 20 minutes of the highly publicized sermon. It was a bit churchy for my tastes so I didn't make it through the whole thing, but I didn't see anything that seemed hateful. He was extremely critical of US foreign policy and did make a connection between decades of American interference abroad and 9/11, but criticizing US foreign policy isn't a hate crime yet is it?

I've heard it said that it was offensive because he gave the sermon right after September 11. I recall at the time if you raised any question about linking the attack to America's history of interference in the Middle East you were shouted down as an American hating lunatic and treated as though you were blaming a woman for getting raped. "Root causes" was a taboo phrase which even now can't be uttered on Television. And yet the sun hadn't even set on September 11 and there were demands for vengence, and invasions. When is the most tactful time to speak out against war?

I can't even be nice anymore. Hillary is a straight up idiot. What a despicable character she has turned out to be. She should call her mom and tell her she's a failure.

Coming from the wife of the man who cheated on her repeatedly and lied about it to the country, I think she has a hard time talking about choice.

Really, HillBill? You REALLY want to go there? Because, Lord knows all the "friends" of yours that you've chosen to be close too.

Seriously, this friggin idiot is going to rip the dem party to shreds. She stands 0 chance of getting the nom. She needs to back out now - and that starts with high pressure from key Dems - for the sake of the party.

Oh wait, she doesn't care about that. Her and Bill care about themselves. Oh well...there's always V.P. for the McCain ticket.

as a woman, I come closer and closer to calling her many horrid and sexist names every day. I am looking at the spines of both her and her husband's book on my shelf, and contemplating tossing them. Seriously. I used to love the Clintons, now they make me sick.

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Feh. I'm waiting for Hillary to say "Senator Obama does not agree with Rev. Wright's remarks about the U.S. of K.K.K. A -- as far as I know." I don't think I'll have to wait too long.

Shorter Clinton:

You know, Tuzla... you know, uh, Greenspan... um, you know, er... HEY! LOOK OVER THERE!

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Exactly!
"They play, you know, our allies. They do everything they can to undermine security in the world."

Hillary Clinton beating the fear drum before NH primary
Keith Olbermann had it on tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BB4Vvgn_4k

But she got solace from known anti semite, Billy Graham.

This is lower than low even for her. She should have come out in defense of Sen Obama and tried to intervene when the media were doing their hit job.

Not only did she not do that, but she and her carvilles et al probably pushed it even more, if not actually helped to start it.

Shame on you Hillary Clinton!!

So, do you Denounce and Reject your husband for inviting Pastor Wright to the Whitehouse?

I'm from Pittsburgh. While I like the Tribune, it is a right leaning paper. Having read this excerpt from Hillary, I am so saddened to see what has happened to our society. Have we truly gone so far astray that we have this now? Seriously, Hillary needs to just stop it. She let Geraldine Ferarro go on a hate symposium for days, she let Carville start calling people Judas, she let one of her supporters say Obama was a drug addict, she pushed the false muslim charges, and now she has the audacity to say Obama should not be going to church. Guess what Hillary, you just lost my vote, the youth vote, and the African American vote. Keep it up, I'm sure you will alienate the hispanic vote, etc. in no time flat.

I myself give her some leniency on the surrogates, because when add it with what she says, well, its just not fair.

btw the Trib must have cleaned up its act since I lived there if it's only right wing "leaning" now.

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"Barack Obama doesn't hate America...

...as far as I know."

Well sure I believe Hillary would have left her church if her pastor talked like that about White People. I can see her running and ducking out of the Church like she was under a Tuzla like Sniper attack, and only pausing long enough to smile and hug Geraldine Ferraro who also just happened to misspeak over and over, like Hillary Rambo Clinton did about her dash through snipers' alley in Tuzla..!!!!!!!

She is nothing but masterful at burning bridges. Thanks for the party unity, as always, Hilldog!!

"Obama spoke out after listening to this American hater for 20 years only after the American public got wind of it. He said nothing and did nothing for 20 years. Enough said."

You gotta love how people gleefully regurgitate that "20 Years" line without ever offering a shred of evidence that Wright has perpetuated racism for 2 decades? Not enough said.

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Oh, didn't you get the memo? In 20 years of sermons, Rev. Wright just repeated those couple of 30-second soundbites over and over. Had nothing else to say. And when he was a Marine? Same thing.

Such nonsense. If those soundbites were from the last five years, that means Obama sat in that church for 15 years before anything offensive was ever said. But nobody mentions that.

Drop out all ready! It's over!

We should have expected this, no?

Obviously they are trying to find anything that will distract the press from examining her numerous lies about her role in Bosnia, Northern Ireland, SCHIP, FMLA, etc.

Anyway, way to keep it classy Hillary.

I really, really can't believe she went there.

So she is taking the Pat Buchanan line that the caricature of Wright as practicing hate speech is true. Talk about gasoline on the fire of intra-party divisions. I think she has done massive damage to herself within the party.

The correct answer was: I think Barack was right to condemn the more extreme words of Pastor Wright. But we all know those snippets run on TV are a caricature of Pastor Wright and of his church. And we know Senator Obama does not believe those things himself. We need to stop all this guilt by association and the politics of personal destruction that have characterized right wing tactics for too long. we need to get back to a campaign about who has the best plan for America and who is most qualified to be president."

That what someone who ants to lead the democratic party should be saying.

YES YES YES.

I was ready to extend an olive branch, but this is absolutely crazy. This is NOT WHAT DEMOCRATS DO. This is Fox news crap.

For god's sake.

Well, in fairness, Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback wouldn't be in my Bible Study Group either.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

I went to a church that started talking about race, but it went the other way, blasting black people every now and again and so I took my kids out of that church and moved to another church. That church went the opposite way, so I left that church and after the third church was preaching hate regarding gays and others that don't conform, I gave up. Haven't been to church in years and I managed to raise three loving caring racially diverse human beings. Go figure, I simply quoted from the bible. No HATE in the bible. Although I wish Hillary would have stayed away from this altogether, I don't find what she said upsetting as she would have done exactly as I did..got up and left.


Monster Alert!

First she lies about Bosnia and the MSM catches on.

Then Obama releases his tax records for the past 6 years putting pressure on her to do the same.

Then, as someone noted, the latest poll shows Obama within 10 points in PA.

So now she decides to speak out on Wright?

Wow, now that's some shit for ya.

One serious question. Is Hillary a demon from hell?

Hillary Clinton is not a demon from hell.

As far as I know.

FUNNY! You really made me laught out loud.- Thanks!

(Hey, what a coinicidence! We have the same middle name!)

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Maybe Hillary should try running for Pope.

for those who don't know, Hillary's advisor during the Lewinsky time was billy graham. Billy Graham had been Nixon spiritual advisor...He got caught by using anti-semitism remarks. These remarks were recorded...Of course, up to date, the medias have not mentioned it...

Further more, she is now saying that plegged delegates, have the rights to change support, and i am pretty sure that she is know trying to steal the elections, and she will do whatever it takes to do so...Please refer to the link below

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/25/clinton-pledged-delegates-can-switch-sides/

I am so surprised that the democratic does not end this...
It really is time otherwise, it will get really ugly!!

Obama is a Christian. Christians don't abandon their friends. If I was Obama I'd go with this narrative.

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Or even "Obama is a Christian... Christians do not abandon sinners."

Totally. I heard someone the other day say, "Obama should have left the church when he ran for office to limit potential political damage." My God, isn't that kind of calculating inauthenticity for political gain exactly what we are trying to get away from?

"For Obama to explain that such sermons are common in black churches in America is shocking. It would not be condoned in white churches. I believe Mr. Obama should have rejected that church and not exposed himself or his family to it."

Hey OttoF, you should take 20 minutes out of your day and actually read/listen to BO's speech about the issue and maybe, just maybe, you'll be enlightened about the history of the black church in America.

Or...you can just keep your head in the sand, feign your outrage and shock that some blacks in this country aren't exactly fans of how they are/were treated.

she's right.

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She is not right and the issue is larger than Obama. Many people do not "choose" their church. They don't believe the church is a matter of choice. They believe it is a matter of faith. Granted, many people do choose individual churches and congregations but there are plenty of folks out there who have put up with pastors and priests they can't stand because they believe that their ties to their community and their residence within that community also ties them to their community of faith.

Hillary is mixing church and state and that's just one more thing she has in common with Republicans.

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Exactly... what a yuppie idea, that you just march around church shopping until you find one that perfectly matches you elevated views of the world.

Many folks belong to a community... sometimes the community that their parents belonged to. There are deep connections to many parts of the community.

The pastor or rabbi or imam is just one person... an important person, but not everything.

gimme a break, she is not mixing church and state. she is talking about electability!

Who is she to comment on someone's choice of their pastor. She could label what Wright said however she pleases, but for her to judge Obama's choice of a church?

Obama camp needs to hit Hillary hard on this.

Paint her as controlling, judgemental, small-minded. Someone who would intrude on your lives.

At the least, Obama camp needs to say: It is up to the voter to decide on my patriotism. But it is none of Hillary's business to criticize choice of my church. Ask how Hillary would feel if Obama had commented on her choice to stick with an husband with no family value and respect for the presidency and dignity of the office?

You knew she just wouldn't be able to stay away from it for long. She's like a dog with fleas who just can't resist that urge to scratch.

I think it was Joe Klein of all people who a day or two ago observed that Hillary no longer has anything positive to present to Democrats about her candidacy, or a vision to sell on what her campaign is all about. Her only claim to viability is in trying to destroy Obama. It was a very astute observation.

You also choose your husband.

Monica....

Blue Dress....

DNA Stains....

Pattern of Deception....

Repeated infidelity....

Impeachment over perjury....


Ummmmmm who is talking about personal choices as a reflection of moral character?

The emperor has no clothes....

The emperor has no clothes....


Fzor god's sake how long are the party elders going to let this farce continue.

Hillary Clinton is a moron.

"Bitch Isn't The New Black, It's Just The Same Old Bitch."

Wow, you guys are ridiculous!

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We are ridiculous because Hillary has become a lying sack of shit?

This is getting really frightening -- and dangerous for Democrats. I'm not a huge David Brooks fan (understatement) but he's on the money today. I really wish more big Democrats would line up behind Obama so this doesn't continue much longer -- in the end if Hillary doesn't win, she will have damaged Obama so badly that John McCain will be our next president.

Hillary doesn't just go to a "Prayer Breakfast". She has been going to weekly Prayer Cell meetings for decades. First, in the group of politician's wives and now in the Inner Circle of politicians themselves.

Hillary's self-described "spiritual mentor" Doug Coe advocates what amounts to Fascism and Theocracy.

Just because the facts sound alarming when written plainly, doesn't make them any more excusable for someone running as a Democrat.

wow, what a group we have here. i hope you aren't this bitter outside of your cyber-lives.

Who's bitter? Obama is still going to win.

If anything, this actually hurts Hillary more. I can't see her swaying any Supers with this nonsense.

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus.."

There it is again..the "You Know". I swear, everytime she says "You know" some bull is being spewed all over the place. Its her defence mech..tell a lie, say "you know"..need time to think of a lie, say "you know"..

yes Hill..we know, we know..

There trying to change the subject from Bosnia-gate. Hopefully MSM does not take the bait.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Are we holding Roman Catholics in America responsible for the actions of the pedophile priests? You can believe in your church and disagree with its leadership.

The OTHER reason I left the catholic church.. sorry, got to agree with Hillary on this. She was asked a question with regard to what SHE would have done, and she answered SHE would have found another church. I have done that myself because I did not want my children listening to Hate.

The obnoxiousness of her remarks is inversely proportional to her chance of winning the nomination.

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She did have a chance to stay classy, not inflame a situation, to be a statesman...instead?

She chose the politics of personal destruction. Too bad.

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Hillary handled the question perfectly.

She dealt with the issue presented by Wright squarely without saying a single thing that would not resonate with virtually every voter who is outside the actually quite small moonbat wing of the Democratic Party (so well represented here on TPM, though!).

Comparing Rev Wright to Don Imus?

Really?

Hmm, maybe Gen Peak was right: This does sound like McCarthyism.

"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of a black church?"

Time for Obama to take the gloves off. He needs to bring up Hillary's membership in "The Family" a rather scary right-wing "prayer group" in D.C. Lets hear her defend the hateful,sexist exclusionist views of this bunch of hypocrites.

I've a feeling we'll have a nominee even before the PA primary.

Assumption: Delegates want democratic party to still remain as one party and four weeks is too long to wait.

The Bosnian War heroine officially ended the 2008 race and began her 2012 campaign for President.

Good Luck Madame....

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I am officially on the Clinton Get the Fuck Out Now Bandwagon.

Paraphrasing a quote from James Carville (when referring to Bush I): If her heart was on fire, I wouldn't piss down her throat to put it out.

I really don't give a beep about what she thinks of anyone's church or pastor anymore. the Constitution of America says something about that.

oh, btw, TAX RETURNS, PLEASE.

Wow! I know most of the folks posting here don't think much of Hillary Clinton, but this one really shocked me. I am really surprised that she went here. The whole CIC threshhold was bad enough, but this?? This wasn't from Wolfson or Ickes; this came from her own mouth. Wow! I try to keep an open mind. I try to take what surrogates say with ample grains of salt. But this is really, really low from my perspective. To continue in this vein, to continue with the right-wing talking points; to credit Obama with giving the speech he did and then twist the knife in this manner. Wow! That's just about all I can say.

Wow! I know most of the folks posting here don't think much of Hillary Clinton, but this one really shocked me. I am really surprised that she went here. The whole CIC threshhold was bad enough, but this?? This wasn't from Wolfson or Ickes; this came from her own mouth. Wow! I try to keep an open mind. I try to take what surrogates say with ample grains of salt. But this is really, really low from my perspective. To continue in this vein, to continue with the right-wing talking points; to credit Obama with giving the speech he did and then twist the knife in this manner. Wow! That's just about all I can say.

No wonder Rush is supporting her.


Besides which, we have no way of knowing what Obama may have said to his family, other church members, or Wright himself over the last 20 years. There's no evidence that he waited until now to reject Wright's more inflammatory statements; he says he has never agreed with them. We're only aware of the denouncement now because he's in a position to make us aware of it (not that it's any of our business). Does anyone really doubt that Obama is a true patriot? Who would go through this wrenching primary process if they weren't? Even Hillary must love our country to put herself through it, although she's destroying her party in the process.

Another Pittsburgher for Obama

Well we know what Obama did not do. He did not leave the Church, as Oprah did nor did he call Rev Wright out tio try and change his politics of hate. He just sat there letting the man denigrate this country.

She said this to the paper funded by the man who bankrolled the "Arkansas Project." Scaife was her worst enemy in the 90s. It was his money that launched Troopergate, the drug-smuggling charges, and so much other crap the right threw at the Clintons. Now she's sliming Obama at his pet paper. I wonder if he held out a whithered hand to her and said, "Welcome to the dark side, young Jedi." She will say ANYTHING to not win.

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Scaiffe WAS the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Who do you think funded the Arkansas project?

Now she is in bed with him (figuratively.) Before that it was Limbaugh.

Is there anyone Monster Inc won't use to get ellected?

hillary haters..... lets please get back to the real issues.


And you think this is "a real issue?"

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Wow. Perhaps you should e-mail that comment to Hillary Cinton herself--But wait. I'm guessing you think Wright is a real issue, but lying about being under sniper fire isn't. Yes?

Obama said it was a real issue.

I'd love to.

While Clinton accuses Obama of being an unpatriotic racist not qualified to be CIC, McCain is out there making reasoned statements about the Economy.

Let me repeat that: While we're killing our presumptive nominee, the Republican nominee is getting a FREE PASS on the most important issue of the day.

This is not good.

Sure thing.

Just as soon as your candidate stops saying and doing stupid shit...

Ok. How about her lies about her experience? Or what she's hiding in her tax returns? Or the fact she can't win without destroying the Democratic Party? Pick one.

Hillary Haters

Sign me up

Hey, like everyone CT Voter, SC Madden and NC Steve, I could not agree more. Let us please get back to issues. Not useless distractions about Samantha Powers or Jeremiah Wright but actual issues which might actually affect actual voters' actual lives. I would be only to happy to refocus the race on those issues. It would appear, however, that your candidate would not.

Isn't the basic decency of the candidate a real issue.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

It is so far beyond my comprehension that people who had been treated as unfairly and viciously as the Clinton's would find so much pleasure in dragging down someone being treated as unfairly as Obama.

When the chips are down, will Hillary stand up for you if there is nothing to gain from it politically. That's an issue.

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Ok how about the economy. Here is what we have to look forward to with Hillary as president. To do so we need to look at how she handled her campaign finances for both this race and her previous senate races:
FROM THE ATLANTIC:
Even though Clinton had faced no serious opponent, it turned out that Solis Doyle, as campaign manager, had burned through more than $30 million. As this New York Times story makes clear, the donor base was incensed. Toward the end of the Senate campaign, Solis Doyle did her best to bolster the impression of the inevitability of Hillary’s nomination as the Democratic presidential candidate, spreading word that Clinton’s Senate reelection fund-raising had gone so exceptionally well that $40 million to $50 million would be left after Election Day to transfer to the incipient presidential campaign. But this turned out to be a wild exaggeration—and Solis Doyle must have known it was. Disclosure filings revealed a paltry $10 million in cash on hand; far from conveying Hillary’s inevitability, this had precisely the opposite effect, encouraging, rather than frightening off, potential challengers.

Rather than punish Solis Doyle or raise questions about her fitness to lead, Clinton chose her to manage the presidential campaign for reasons that should now be obvious: above all, Clinton prizes loyalty and discipline, and Solis Doyle demonstrated both traits, if little else. This suggests to me that for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to the current president’s than her supporters might like to admit.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200802u/patti-solis-doyle/2

FROM THE BALTIMORE SUN:
"But even more problematic was the campaign's money crunch. Over the last seven years, Clinton had raised $175 million for her reelection and her presidential campaign. But Solis Doyle didn't tell Clinton that there was next to no cash on hand until after the New Hampshire primary.

"We were lying about money," a source said. "The cash on hand was nothing."

In turn, Clinton didn't tell Solis Doyle that she was lending her own money to keep the campaign afloat. Solis Doyle found out third-hand. And when she asked Clinton about it, the senator told her she couldn't understand how the campaign had gotten to such a point."
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/maine_caucuses_barack_obama_to.html

Oooh Yeah. Hillary has a great grasp on economic issues.

Wasnt that comment just a few days after 9-11?

I don't think Hillary noticed, but the Wright crap is over, Obama has consistently denounced him, he gave his big speech on racial understanding, and now she is playing the part of Bill O'Reilly (I can't even say McCain, because McCain defended Obama, as did Hucakbee). But yes, she is trying desperately to take him down, and she stayed out of it for the most part when Fox was doing the dirty work for her, mostly because she has her own sketchy church issues, but now that that didn't take hold and Obama's numbers are still strong, she is trying to revive it. Pretty pathetic.

If you want to read my original thoughts on Hillary's uncharacteristic relative silence you can check it out here:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/03/hillarys-own-church-problem-plot.html

Personally I just don't find anything that wrong or controversial about Wright's remarks. Wrights remarks were provocative and outrageous, but no big deal to me. I was simply not offended. More offensive to me is the fact that the media by and large has not really discussed the actual statements but simply decided they were "offensive", "inflammatory" and "unpatriotic" and moved on to discussing what Obama needed to do to correct the situation.

I don't agree with them necessarily or think they are constructive or helpful. But nothing I would characterize as hateful or anti-American. Sorry. We all have the right to criticize this great but flawed country.

So Obama should've switched churches because of these remarks? I find that ludicrous.

Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone's refreshing political writer, does, in my view, a very good job of disucssing the Wright "controversy"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/19729398/generation_squeeb

Damn.... I understand politically the need to create a diversion from "SinbadGate" story of yesterday but Hils, come on.... There's plenty of wood in the forest to divert the stream...Do you need to keep blowing up our buildings for that purpose?

Look at these new PPP poll numbers from North Carolina. Obama now has a 21 point lead!! A complete turn around, and them some, from last week.

No wonder HRC is out there commenting on Rev. Wright for the first time today. I’ll backfire.

I wonder how Eric & Greg will downplay this turnaround? Hmmmm

PPP’s new N. Carolina: Obama Regains Large Lead Over Clinton 55-34:

March 25, 2008

Obama regains large lead

Raleigh, N.C. – After a week in which Barack Obama made several appearances in
North Carolina and confronted the controversy with his pastor by making a major speech
on race, he has expanded his lead in North Carolina to 21 points.

Obama leads Clinton 55-34 in the state. His gains were particularly strong in the
Triangle, the media market where his major speech on the war last week in Fayetteville
got the greatest amount of attention.

Obama also pulled within a 47-40 margin of Clinton with white voters after trailing
Clinton 56-30 last week, an indication that his speech on race in Philadelphia last week
may have earned him some points.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_032508.pdf

Huge turnaround from last week:

March 19, 2008

Clinton closing in on Obama in NC

Raleigh, N.C. – Hillary Clinton has cut Barack Obama’s lead in North Carolina to one
point, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling.

Obama leads 44-43 in the state, after leading by four points in a similar poll conducted by
PPP two weeks ago. Clinton has particularly made gains with female voters, with whom
she now has a slight lead after trailing in the previous poll.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_031908.pdf

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Laszlo: Hillary "will not be my president"

I'm emailing this article and all of its links to John Edwards. We bloggers might have to step up the pressure on superdels and the DNC to wake up.

Everyone is saying that - except the Obamamaniacs of course. Obama could be caught in bed smoking crack with an underaged boy and the Obamamaniacs would support him!

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See you still have your racist little drawing for an avatar.

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No, Rae, only you're saying that.

Bit of a bummer about those polls, isn't it?

Back to the cave, please.

Why smoking crack in your example, Raek? Bill and Obama both admitted to getting "lifted". (Although Bill says he didn't inhale, which is pure bullsheet!)

But assuming Bill did inhale, who do you think he got lifted with? That's right -- sweet Hillary.

In fact I want to roll up Hillary's suitsleeve and see if she's got tracks.

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I think you mean smoking crack with his ho's in his pink caddy on his way to the bank to cash his fat welfare check.

If you're gonna go for, Rae, really just go for it. Yell it on the mountaintop for all to hear. (Of course, you only shame yourself with your racist rants.)

"... and if I (Hillary) did make the mistake of choosing such a church/pastor, rest assured that I would throw it/him/her under the bus as soon as the association began to hurt me politically."

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said.
That's because Jesus is her co-pilot.

"Obama is not an Islamofascistscarypantsdarkface... as far I know"

McCain/Clinton '08!

This really tells me something about Hillary. Her readiness to repudiate moral authority for such paltry reasons sheds much needed light on her proclivity to lie through her teeth.

Obama has consistently been in the right regarding matters of ethics and morality, and I have little doubt that Wright played a role in building his character.

So go ahead, Hill, reject your moral leaders for some transitory political expediency. It only illuminates your moral failings.

Give Hilary a break...maybe she misspoke again. Even if Wright were her pastor, she would just lie about it like she has done with everything else.

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"He would not have been my pastor,"

Except he WAS a pastor for your family when your husband was asking for forgiveness of his sins after getting his knob polished by Monica became public.

Perhaps Sen. Clinton might want to watch something other than FOX News before she decides to comment on a colleague's church?

A recent press release from Trinity UCC, issued by the new Senior Pastor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, identifies Trinity's generosity and accomplishments, and then says that on Sunday mornings alone, over 36 years, Pastor Wright has spoken for 207,792 minutes. The video clips represent perhaps 15-20 seconds of that time. Those clips represent .0000012 of his total preaching at Trinity, and yet many - including Sen. Clinton - are quick to judge him, his church, and, indeed, the entire denomination, on this statistically ridiculous sample.

Jeremiah Wright needs no defense. Anyone who has built a congregation from 87 members to some 8000 and whose congregation has modeled ministries to one of the poorest areas of Chicago has provided a body of work that speaks for itself.

Thirty-six years later, as he retires, Rev. Dr. Wright's legacy includes more than seventy active ministries and eight corporations, including a credit union, a community development corporation, a health and hospice corporation, a higher education corporation, a day care center, two senior housing complexes, a federally chartered credit union, and an elementary school which has received a charter from the Chicago Public Schools Board of Education.

Trinity UCC is known for its benevolence and commitment to education. During his pastorate, Trinity UCC has given in excess of $1 million dollars in scholarships to high school graduates entering college. The congregation has also given in excess of $1.5 million dollars to assist members pursuing seminary education, and given over $500,000 to the Fund for Theological Education and several fully accredited (by the A.T.S.) seminaries including Chicago Theological Seminary, United Theological Seminary, The Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia and the Samuel DeWitt Proctor School of Theology at Virginia Union University.

I have first-hand experience of Trinity UCC, its leaders and its ministries, and I know it to be a faithful, generous and justice-minded congregation that takes seriously its ministry within and among the African American community on Chicago’s south side.

The United Church of Christ includes many of the oldest congregations in this country. More than 10 percent were formed before 1776. It is socially, racially, economically and theologically diverse, and its membership includes 10 members of Congress — five Republicans and five Democrats, including Sen. Obama.

I'm still waiting to hear Sen. Clinton's speech on race...

And, oh yeah, where's Sen. Clinton's comments on Sen. McCain's religious buddies like Pastor Hagee? Where's her outrage over what Pat Robertson and Jerry Farwell said around the same time as Rev. Wright?

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Bravo! [applause]

Thank you!!

I think the Wright contraversy is over. He is being defended now in the MSM. People realize he has been unfairly treated in the name of dirty politicking. So for Hillary to say this now seems especially mean spirited. I would even venture to say not politically wise!

It just proves that it's hard for her to criticize Obama on merit. She's grasping at straws.

I agree - GORE?? EDWARDS??? Help!!

Rasmussen has the PA gap down to 10 points


PPP has Obama up more than 20 in NC

The Gallup track shows him recovered from Wright...

The Clintons are every bit as vile as the wingnuts said they were

GO already! Be gone

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Wow, video of RaeK having sex with sheep.

Thanks for the link.

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You are too funny! Thanks for the laugh. I'm afraid that image is now stuck in my brain.

File this under "unintended consequences".

Rae? That link kinda backfired on you. Sorry.

Raek: Got it. Go back to reHab, now. You were doing well for a few days, try harder.

Four more weeks of this garbage. At one per day, that's twenty-one more atrocities from this harpy, at least. Are you paying attention PA?

i have so had it with all these people talking about how she stayed with bill. one thing is certain no on can say what they would do in their marriage if the spouse was caught in infidelity. like the old saying goes..never say never. i love hearing a woman who have said with certainty they would divorce their husband if they caught him cheating. earth to women....most men cheat in marriage ...end of story and most women eventually find out and stay with their husbands only to eat their words.

please stop with this over critical BS about her marriage and what it means. women stay for many reasons. if the women here have never dealt with infidelity then keep your untested opinions to yourself and worry about your own marriage and relationship. that's really a full time job within itself if you ask me. let hilliary deal with her husband in her own way. last i looked he was her husband not yours.

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er... sounds like we have some issues about this subject...

The point about the Clinton marriage -- and why it's relevant -- is this. If she would allow that level of corruption in her own marriage, what level of corruption would she allow in government?

Exactly how many affairs did Bill have?

Shit, Monica ALONE had 36 "visits" with him in the White House.

Should that story be accurate,,,,,,, Senator Clinton has just pitched out the AA vote. It demonstrates that she has utterly no idea, or cares, what Church is about in any context, white or black, Protestant or Catholic,,,,,, and one would think people will pick up on that. Denegrating the AA church is an old passive racist slur, as in, 'Be a credit to your race and quit hanging out with niggers.'

Whatever is the Clinton campaign thinking? This sort of thing helps neither political disourse nor does it do much for the health of the body politic. The Republic is not well served by this kind of stuff.

Time for Nancy Pelosi and the other adults in the Party to call a halt to this tawdry soap opera which Senator Clinton's campaign has become.

listen to you guys. nothing but personal attacks against Hillary for the past 3 days and now you start crying again. pathetic!

I will never have political relations with that woman


The Clintons are parasites plain and simple

That "personal" enough for you?

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Hillary: Wright "Would Not Have Been My Pastor"

Probably not, but maybe if you asked him real nice...

Hillary's campaign theme song: "Burning Down the House."

To all you uncommitted superdelegates out there: Would a large group of you please get together and go tell her the only way you'll even consider voting for her is if she stops the garbage?

I find it hard to get all riled up about this statement.

I doubt many Americans or, more specifically, Pennsylvanians are smacking their foreheads saying, "Yes! This is the feeling I could never voice about this whole thing!"

Instead, I think in light of Terror on the Tarmac, which has been played up on the news, people will see this for what it is: a political shot at an opponent and an effort to change the subject.

Exactly what I was thinking. That is why you see a guy like Huckabee defending Obama. Because he understands what a Church is (a community), and not to appear religious because it looks good in front of the voters. If you go to a Church because you have to, so you are electable, as soon as somebody in that church says something inconvenient, good bye. If you actually belong to that community, then you can critizise things that you don't like but you stick with it.

Vile harpy BE GONE

I'm sort of offended that Hillary continues her well publicized (and often utilized) relationship to Rev. Billy Graham. She should have repudiated (renounced?) him immediately upon becoming aware of his anti-Semitic comments to his other buddy, Richard M. Nixon, as revealed on the White House tapes. Does Hillary believe, along with Rev. Graham, that "the Jews run the world" to the world's detriment? Before she starts attributing every one of Wright's theories to Obama, perhaps she should explain where her opinions diverge from Graham's and whether or not she discussed them with him during his very many visits to the White House during Clinton I.

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I think Hillary realizes that her only chance at the nomination is to destroy Barack. To make him so unelectable that the super delegates will hand her the nomination despite her losing the pledged delegate lead. What really bothers me about this slash and burn strategy is she is destroying the Democratic Party along with Barack. She's clearly decided that if she can't be the nominee then to hell with all of them.

I can appreciate a strong competitive spirit but if a Republican ever said that the Democratic nominee had passed the Commander and Chief test but his fellow Republican had not he would be thrown out of the party yet when Hillary said it all the Democrats do is say she may be crossing a line.

At this point it is clear that Hillary is only out for personal power and doesn't care one bit about either the Democratic Party or the country for that matter. If she did she wouldn't have practiced these slash and burn tactics that only serve to get the Republican elected.

OK AL GORE WHERE ARE YOU??????????
Time to come out and thrown Clinton under the bus once and for all. She needs to go after this.........What an abomination this monster is..AND...I won't renounce and denounce my comment...she is a MONSTER

Given time, a microphone, and a deficit in the polls, the Clintons tend to self-destruct. As her defeat nears, she will say dumber and dumber things. This is our best chance of winning Pennsylvania -- the Clintons overplaying their hand on perceived racial wedges.


Honestly, I now understand why people like Kerry, Kennedy and others did not endorse Senator Clinton. she is very selfish. she would say (misspoke)anything to be elected. she polarises everybody.

The Leaders of the Democratic party should sit her down and tell to get lost

No surprise here. The Clintons act as though they have moved to another party.

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If they don't, I will.

Dear Hillary,

STFU and STFD. It's over.

And I'm _so_ over you.

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When did Nancy Pelosi become the adult in the Party? Did I miss something? I do believe Sen Obama saying the same thing about one Don Imus, but hey where we be without the "Obama rules". Any and all things said by a Clinton show evilness.

Your comment seems to suggest that Imus and Wright's situations are identical and that therefore Obama is hypocritical to not react identically to both. I'm afraid I don't see the connection between a radio host who is constantly spouting appalling racist remarks, and a priest who gave pretty strong criticism of American policy.
Please clarify so I might benefit from your enlightened views.

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I am SO not voting for her. Sorry, Josh.

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Hillary Clinton is showing her truest colors. She's now on the same page with Patrick Buchanan, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. Her need for power is greater than her fear of being called a racist. She's already lost the black vote. At this point, she has nothing to lose, so she might as well do everything she can to appeal to the racists and bigots she needs to get elected. Barrack Obama refused to throw his Church's minister under the bus of political expediency. Hillary Clinton has thrown every black voter who ever voted and supported her and her husband under the bus of blind ambition.

I have to confess that I might have jumped the gun on Reverend Wright. After seeing the clips shown on TV I had serious doubts about his character. I still supported Obama since he denounced the remarks, but always thought it was a net negative.

I have recently watched a longer
clip of the speech and no longer think it is so bad. I can still see how people would be offended, but for myself, I don't think it is a big deal.

I suggest everyone watch the longer clip. If you still think it is reprehensible that is ok, but at least you have the clip in it's rightful context.

Oh, and let us know when you and Bill - ever - opposed the invasion of Iraq. And, Kyl-Lieberman? That also is a call for more diplomacy, I suppose?

wow...talk about desperation. it's funny in a pathological sort of way...what won't she do? meanwhile a rather prescient letter about the impending mortgage crisis dated one year ago from obama to bernacke shows his seriousness. combine that with his positions on iraq and afghanistan and you see a level of judgment that clinton plainly lacks.

Obama just got another 100 from me.

"You don't choose family" ???"

But you chose Bill, serial harasser, adulterer, and possibly even rapist.

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Finally - hit him where it hurts!

It's irrelevant anyway - Obama's been cooked ever since Texas fell for Clinton ...

And yes, I'm aware of the latest poll in NC.

Why?

His "supers" are going to flock to Clinton once he loses the next 3 - they want to now, but they "need a reason".

It was fun while it lasted though Obamatons.

Brooks: 5% chance for Clinton
Me: Obama 30% chance

His last hope is to carry NC.

Man, don't bogart that stuff. Pass it around, it must be good.

"You don't choose family" ???"

But you chose Bill, serial harasser, adulterer, and possibly even rapist.

dude, wtf???

St. Obambi only spoke out against Wright when the tapes surfaced...

um...no...he responded in his book a long time ago. and he also responded when the tapes first surfaced a year ago.

In a way, I am some what glad that Hillary is now revealing her true nature. Up until now, despite the fact that I am an Obama backer, I never understood why Hillary was despised by so many.

Recent revelations, including her willingness to lie over and over about her trip to Bosnia, and Northern Ireland, and about about how much she actually pushed for the passage of NAFTA, and then lied to us all about her role, have shown the real Hillary behind the mask.

Now we have her coming out and openly engaging in Willie Horton type race baiting. That is the last straw.

This is the Hillary that others have spoken off. She will not accept good advise and will not see when she is actually doing more harm than good. This is the same Hillary that tried to have it all her way in 1993 on Health Care, and would not moderate her position. She has now run out of kitchen sink items to throw, so she has reached right into the toilet bowl for stuff to toss.

She is destroying her future before our very eyes. She has lost this nomination but she is too bullheaded to weight her future options. She is acting just like Bush had done about Iraq. Reality will not deter them.

She could have looked to live to run again. She lacks the foresight to do that. She is destroying all her future presidential prospects. On the other hand, it is better that we see what a fanatic she is now, instead of ending up with another version of George W. Bush.

wow, did it ever take her a long time to respond.

I thought she would have responded on Day One when this story first came to light.

How is it that John McCain and Mike Huckabee have more class than Hillary Clinton? They both have spoken out in support for Obama, and what has Clinton said? Nothing, until now.

I'm stunned. It seems like no matter what, when you think it can't get any worse, it does.

I hate you with every fiber of my being Hillary Clinton. I do. What you are doing to this race and to Senator Obama - the first legitimate African-American candidate - is horrendous. You will go down in history as being a bitter, selfish, cold Democrat.

As for the leadership of the DNC - WAKE UP. Gore, Edwards, Pelosi, Dean - you are all implicit in this if you do not stand up and say something, do something so this may end. I can't take it anymore. I seriously can't.

The time for this to end was yesterday. While Clinton fights dirty for that sliver of hope, McCain is out there touring the planet, raising money, and being generally unchallenged in the media. This latest attack, designed purely to distract from her Bosnian Misadventure, is one of the lowest yet. It does zero to advance the ball.

All the next four weeks do is give us time to practice the words "President John McCain." I am going to go weep a little for the future of the Republic and then get back to work.

Who is Hillary hoping to appeal to here?

I understand that she is creating a distraction. But, how is she expecting that this will help her in the primaries?

She's betting on some element of those who are wavering on their choice of the Democratic nominee having some fear that, perhaps, Obama secretly sympathizes with a White-hating preacher?

Note that it's clear to me that this is a complete mischaracterization of Wright to begin with. So, if this is the strategy that she's going with, I'm just not clear what she is hoping to accomplish here and how her target audience is.

I could understand this coming from Limbaugh and his crowd, or even if her campaign staff were secretly leaking this crap out (which I know they have been). But, to blatantly come out and say this? I don't get it. What's she trying to do?

I don't know if you noticed but a lot of people don't agree with Rev. Wright.

Don't forget a preacher that hates america and said that it deserved 911.

I am not into arguing with others who post comments in these forums. I would just like to add to my above post that this issue is definitely not going to go away. The Republicans will use it if Obama wins the nomination. They will use "swift boat" groups to keep the issue alive. There will be sound bites of Jeremiah Wright saying "God damn America", and spewing racist remarks toward whites. The memory of Obama's speech will be obliterated by those reminders of his pastor's views - the pastor and church to which Obama chose to closely associate himself. Obama will be on the defensive. White America will become increasingly aware that this style of fiery racist rhetoric is far more common in African American churches than they knew, and this will have a very divisive effect.

Speaking of fiery racist preaching, Fox News has dug up video of Illinois State Senator and Baptist preacher Rev. James Meeks, the pastor of South Side Baptist Church in Chicago. He is also an Illinois Superdelegate to the Democratic Convention and a supporter of Barack Obama. It's the same kind of racist preaching that Jeremiah Wright practiced. The video can be found on YouTube. This issue is not going to go away.

Other stories will eventually share the spotlight. In one of his autobiographical books Obama describes a friend in Hawaii when they were in high school. Obama describes him as someone who was always looking over his shoulder and seeing racial slights everywhere. Obama changed his friend's name in the book, but reporters eventually identified him and interviewed him. Interestingly he said that Obama had actually switched the personalities in his book. He said that it was Obama who was always seeing racial slights everywhere, and he gave an example. The friend's father was the school's basketball coach, and has never forgotten when Obama came to him and demanded an explanation for being left out. Obama insisted that the coach had left him out because he was black. The coach had to tell Obama that the reason was because Obama had missed two shots in a row.

It is stories like these, and other things that Obama has written that will be raised. Also the writings of his wife when she was in college will be examined and found to contain controversial attitudes and beliefs about race. Obama has been seen as the candidate who can bridge America's racial divide, but he is far more vulnerable in that area than most of us know. And it will be an issue in the fall. His association with Jeremiah Wright will not be forgotten.

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We get it Otto. Obama is not going to get the bigot vote. Praise the Lord for that.

Obama is the one who wanted to talk about race.

What a deeply tragic Mrs. Clinton has made today!

http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/

If Hillary Clinton's sleep deprivation causes her to hallucinate about sniper fire... heaven only knows what would happen if she were in the White House at 3am and the phone rang.

I don't think she can handle the pressure of being POTUS.

She can't even handle being tired on the campaign trail.

And this isn't the first time she's used "too tire".

Didn't she claim being too tired for not getting her tax returns released?

Obama campaign has spared no effort when it came to fabricating insinuations against Hillary. No stone was left unturned when it came to finding anything that could be used against her.

She, on the other hand, kept silent for ten when the Wright outrage came about. Finally, and only after she was explicitly asked, she responded the way majority of Americans would respond... and this is your reaction?

Well, dear militant Barackists, if you have no problem with Rev. Wright, why don't you go ahead and advertise that? Let America know where you stand. And, of course, those who find themselves disturbed by this whole Wright story, they find a way to blame Hillary.

Obama chose to associate himself with this man for 20 years. He knew exactly what this character advocated and stood for. He knew what he was getting himself into. And now, it's all Hillary's fault?

Talk about the kitchen sink...

Okay, I didn't see anything offensive in his sermon, except he kept throwing religion in our faces.