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Hillary Super-Delegates In Washington State Wavering
Some cracks are starting to show in the dedication of Hillary Clinton super-delegates in Washington State, with some fearing that the drawn-out contest would damage the party for the general election.
"I don't think that people want a divisive, explosive convention," said King County Executive Ron Sims, a super-delegate supporting Hillary. "It will radiate defeat."
Another Hillary supporter, Sen. Maria Cantwell, declared earlier this week that "I definitely don’t want the super-delegates to be the deciding factor," and that the party should eventually come together around the candidate who has won the most delegates and most states.
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March 27, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Iam sure they will get a letter from Hillary's donors soon saying they should watch their backs.
March 27, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wall, meet writing. Writing, you're starting get up on the wall.
March 27, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are hundreds - literally hundreds - of Superdelegates. They are therefore a macrotrendic group, and therefore completely irrelevant.
Meanwhile, as Senator Clinton is completely dominating all of the significant microtrendic categories, such as historical village chimneysweep reenactors aged 22 years and younger with Hallervorden-Spatz Syndrome and previous year's adjusted gross income of $132,000 or above, any schoolchild can easily see that Senator Clinton's rapidly approaching election as the next President of the United States of America is a fait accompli.
March 27, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Penn.
It is time for you to wake up ! Your statements have proven wrong numerous times. The HRC campaign failed to be ready on day one and is unsuccessfully trying to catch up by throwing the kitchen sink, the table, the garbage and what's inside it.
Furthermore, your "selected" claims that HRC is dominating, triumphing, winning etc.. are false. On the contrary HRC and your campaign should have picked up that 3 Am phone call while it was ringing before Super Tuesday.... Unfortunately you guys were all too busy thinking it was a done deal!
Now, in regard to the end looming. you are spinning things up and unsuccessfully trying to re-write history in the making.
For that very reason you can't be taken seriously.
Your campaign and tactics are a disgrace. Any schoolchild can indeed see who is the candidate of the future and who is the candidate with a so called 35 year of "overblown" Experience.
Who is willing to get the nomination at any cost and who has the upper hand when it comes to ethic. WHo is a unifier and who is a divider.
You trying to re-define the rules of these primaries is just showing how short minded and "has been" you truly are.
Please, just get over it, IT'S OVER. Take a nice vacation and go work for MC Cain. People like you are a disgrace to our party. It's time for change in America, We too have found our voice. it's name is OBAMA.
March 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uuuhhhmmm... You realize, of course, that the post you replied to wasn't really posted by Mark Penn. Right? It was posted by James Carville. He posts on here sometimes as Mark Penn, just to piss Penn off. They really hate each other.
March 27, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carville , Penn, Karl Rove, etc... Are All the same. Just change the name Mr. Penn to any of HRC team mates as you wish.
This message is actualy for anyone who has not yet understood we are entering a new era in politic ;-)
March 28, 2008 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, However you micro or macro see it. HRC is loosing on all front. I'd even say she's Mega, Giga, Terra, loosing.
March 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
JUDAS!!
March 27, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody (HRC) Needs to fall on the shield for the Party
Seems to me that the HRC camp are trying to soothe Hillary to face the facts and consider bowing out. The question seems to be whether or not Hillary can suck in her pride and step aside from the race.
Make It Plain
I wish there was a way both candidates really need to start speaking plainly about how their plans for re-directing the state of this nation. All this media mish-mash is becoming too much of a distraction, meanwhile, back in the real world, the village idiot (better known as George W. Bush) and his cronies are continuing their death march towards distruction--taking all of us for the ride.
Shameless Adoration
Thank you Josh (RE: TPMtv Achillies Heel) for breaking it down! Who's my poltico daddy? You, that's who :)
March 27, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
"most delegates and most states"
Now that is fascinating!
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March 27, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The super-delegates will have to do it. I don't see Hillary Clinton backing off from her destroy-Obama campaign one bit. I'm convinced she's just running for the 2012 nomination now, and she has to make sure the Democrats lose in November for that to work.
I've never been a 'Hillary hater,' but she's finally managed to convince me. And I'm equally disgusted with Bill these days. Boy, did they have me fooled!
March 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's something I don't get: why won't Clinton release her tax returns? Either there's something in there that's embarrasing for her or there isn't. If there isn't, why not release them? If there is...well, she's said she'll release them before the general. So then she'd have gotten the nomination, but face a potentially crippling revelation during the general. Why is that a good idea?
I guess maybe she just reflexively stalls on this stuff, but it doesn't seem to make any logical sense in terms of her getting the presidency. If it's going to come out anyway, why not just get it out of the way as fast as possible and deal with it as best you can? Putting it off doesn't help you, and hurts the party.
I don't think I've actually seen an explanation for this anywhere -- she just kind of says, "I don't have time," which seems transparently ridiculous. Any Clinton partisans want to take this up? What's the logic -- or even the vaguely credible spin -- behind this?
March 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has actually said she would release her tax returns. Although, who knows at this point if she'll drop out before she actually puts them out.
March 27, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons are short-range thinkers. They're incapable of looking at the big picture. That's why she was willing to lie about Bosnia: even though it would undoubtedly be used by the Republicans to destroy her in the general, she thought it would help her get the nomination. That's all she's thinking about right now: "Destroy Obama. Destroy Obama." She's in full lizard-brain mode.
March 27, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice that for almost 2 weeks Richardson is just about the only super to declare. I think they are stacking up and there may now be that fabled pile of 50+ delegates. If the pile gets big enough (I doubt she will see 50 as big enough), she should concede without the pile having to come out and embarrass her.
March 27, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, 50 supers not a big enough pile? Maybe. What do you think would be a big enough pile? I am not sure that 50 would not do it. Remember, even according to generous predictions of how the remaining pledged delegates will divide, she needs the remaining uncommitted delegates to break for her by a margin of ~2.5 to 1 in order to make up the gap in pledged delegates. If 50 of the remaining 338 were to go to him at once, that would leave only 288, which would mean that she would need those remaining delegates to break even more heavily in her favor. Would even her more optimistic advisers continue to urge her to bank on that strategy? Hard to say, but it is not a foregone conclusion, to my mind, that the answer to that question is "yes."
March 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Make me proud to be an Evergreen State, superdels. Make your boy proud!
March 27, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
The super delegates were put in place to save the party from itself. While I abhor their very existence and hope against all reality that the Democratic Party will get rid of them after this election, perhaps it is time for them to do what they were designed to do: save the party from itself - or in this case, from the Clintons.
March 27, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you please know anything? Washington State DOES NOT count. It is a northern state and we all know that northern states do not matter. Washington State is practically Canada. Would you have Canadians pick the Democratic nominee? If you give any weight to these two Hillary Super Delegates deciding that Democracy should represent the will of the people, you are a delusional follower of Judas. Plus we are talking about 2 super delegates here. It is too small of a number and therefore is inconsequential.
Why can't you people understand that the only super delegates that matter are those who support Her Majesty Hillary Clinton?
March 27, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
As well as they should. No Democrat should support a facist, fear-mongering, lying Republican in the Presidential race.
Of course, this means they shouldn't support the let's all drive the middle of the road straight into Hell cuz you think I'm likable Bill Clinton-like Republican either.
March 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I always wondered why she thought the supers were going to overrule the will of the voters. We Obama supporters get upset about it but I think it's a completely ridiculous suggestion. Worrying about it gives the idea more credit than it is due.
March 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's said she'll release them, but not until 3 days before the Pennsylvania primary.
She's hoping that the media will not have time to do a detailed analysis of the returns...and even if they do, the voters won't hear about it. She's banking on the fact that it takes 48 to 96 hours for stories to work their way from the blog world to broadcast news to the point where voters actually consider them.
By that point, Pennsylvanians will have voted. Only then will they hear about the tax issues...
March 27, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pelosi and company are being simply silly: the rules provide that the Super-Delegates vote in August and can change their minds at any time prior to that vote. So if they declare in June for a particular candidate -- whether or not ahead in the polls at that point -- they may change their mind if that candidate has tanked by August. And if they think that reaching a decision before the process is completed they will bring the 28% of Hillary voters who have decided not to vote for Obama running back they probably have another think coming.
March 27, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The hope is that if the superdelegates endorse before the convention maybe--just maybe--Hillary will have the grace to concede and we can get on with getting a Democrat elected. I realize it's a long-shot. Grace isn't a quality Hillary is known for.
March 27, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Hillary voters who have decided not to vote for Obama will come running back as soon as they get a realistic chance to think about life under John McCain. The animosity and rancor will fall away and fear will set in as soon as everyone realizes that McCain would be an even WORSE president than GWB. If you seriously want America to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, McCain's your boy.
March 27, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Contact info for those in Washington state:
Cantwell (send thanks) - comment@cantwell.com
Murray - campmail@pattymurray.com
Simms - exec.sims@kingcounty.gov
March 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carville , Penn, Karl Rove, etc... Are All the same. Just change the name Mr. Penn to any of HRC team mates as you wish.
This message is actualy for anyone who has not yet understood we are entering a new era in politic ;-)
March 27, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
For what it is worth, I just watched Obama's speech on economic policy given at Cooper Union the other day. It is posted on YouTube. Obama articulated a clear vision of what has gone wrong with the economy in the last few years, and what must be done to get the Nation back on track. He rightfully criticized McCain's approach, with a touch of humor. He mentioned Clinton only obliquely.
Compared with Clinton's recent speech, that she would convene a committee including Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin, shows that she knows NOTHING about economics. Greenspan and Rubin are responsible for much of the problems we have seen. Greenspan for maintaining a lax monetary policy, and for deliberately allowing two bubbles to inflate, and Rubin for his role in repealing the Glass-Steagall act. Bill Clinton is carrying a lot of old baggage from the 1990's, and it is time for someone new on the scene.
Obama hit the nails on their heads in his speech. We simply repealed all the protections that had been put in place during the Depression, with the result that we have returned to the old boom and bust economics of the 19th century.
Obama is CLEARLY the better candidate. Clinton should recognize this, gracefully step aside, and put her considerable energy and effort into securing a Democratic victory in the fall. If she persists in her present egotistical pursuit of the nomination, she will do great damage to the Democratic party, and her legacy may well be that she is responsible for losing the White House for the Democrats, and turning it over to McCain.
Hillary Clinton should step aside NOW, in the interest of the Democratic Party and the Nation.
March 28, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
HRC should step aside after North Carolina.
End of the Story.
March 28, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink