Hillary Spokesperson Hedges: Obama Has Not Passed Commander-In-Chief Test "At This Point"
There was a pretty telling moment on a Hillary campaign conference call a few moments ago: Hillary advisers were asked by reporters how it is that Hillary could raise the possibility of Obama as her veep if he hadn't crossed the "commander-in-chief threshold," as she and her surrogates have been suggesting.
A good question indeed.
But Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson was prepared with a hedge. He said that the possibility of Obama as veep is not something that she is "prepared to rule out at this point," adding: "At the same time we continued to believe that Senator Obama has not passed the key commander-in-chief test at least at this point."
A bit later in the call, Wolfson was pressed on this question, and said:
"Senator Clinton will not choose any candidate who has not at the time of choosing passed the national security threshold. But we have a long way to go until Denver, and it's not something she's prepared to rule out at this point."
Emphasis mine. Wiggle room achieved, we suppose, though it is very hard to see how some of these comments from Hillary don't come back to bite in the unlikely event that she edges out a victory and offers the veep slot to Obama.















Becuase from now til Denver, Obama will somehow get a 3am phonecall and prove his critics wrong. Is that the logic they are going with? Seriously?
March 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. They should have followed up by asking Wolfson what Obama could possibly do between now and the convention that would allow him to pass the Clinton campaign's bogus test or "threshold."
It's totally ludicrous. That's why it's great that Obama is hitting back on precisely this point. You can't say one day that he's not prepared to be Commander-in-Chief and say the next day that he would make a great VP.
Well, you can, since that's exactly what the Clintons have just done, but it makes you look like an idiot.
March 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary somehow became the candidate, she would desperately need Obama for VP and she knows it. But seeing that they backed themselves into a corner with this, they now have to stand firm and go with the "He's not ready" meme.
March 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's already wrapped up the nomination. Hillary can't become the candidate.
March 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Backed in a corner is right.
They've screwed this up royally.
They need Obama, he doesn't need them.
I think Obaam should start floaitng ideas about his VP, perhaps a female. If Sebelius starts appearing with him more and more, will that help with the female Hillary dead-enders?
March 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sounded like the press was very skeptical on this media conference call.
March 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
So is this like a written exam that she's going to administer? Is there a cram course or a book you can buy with sample questions? And what was her score when she took it?
March 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's going to send him the CliffNotes for the Art of War.
March 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, Bill Clinton was out this past weekend EXPLICITLY saying what an unstoppable ticket they would be.
Oh, and of course, what test has Hillary passed? She had her red-phone moment and failed.
March 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should send this idea to MoveOn or some group like that. It would make a great ad-Red Phone Rings at 3:00 A.M. - Hillary picks up-voice over-votes for the Iraq War!
Brilliant!
March 11, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would be more than happy to go to Kosovo with Barack Obama so that he may officially pass the Commander-in-Chief threshold. Throw Sinbad a bone here!
March 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha ha ha ha! Sinbad! Glad to see you're finally taking an interest in your fellow international-crisis solver's campaign.
March 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
We love you, Sinbad; and you know we'd all support you in a heartbeat if you were on the ballot.
But . . .
Do you have to chime in on *every* story??
(I mean, Idiotic it at least a *little* more selective)
March 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sinbad needs a FRONT PAGE POST!
Then Sinbad will retire forever.
March 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's possible that the amount of Sinbad posts are inversely related to the amount of actual analysis the C-I-C Threshold claims are getting.
March 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the next eight months Obi wan Hillary will tutor Obama in the depth of wisdom she gained at that women's conference in Bejing.
Then and only then will he become a Jedi knight!
March 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obi wan Hillary will tutor Obama in the depth of wisdom she gained at that women's conference in Bejing."
. . . Where all she did was give a speech. I guess when she gives one, it's preparation to be commander in chief, but when he gives one, it's proof he's not ready.
Hillaryland is getting as Orwellian as the Bush White House.
March 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
IOKIYAC
And no, the "C" stands for Clinton -get your minds out of the gutter.
March 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which stands for????
March 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey now, let's not underestimate the importance of the knowledge imparted to her by Jedi Master Sinbad.
March 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Weasels.
March 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a wonder, words always seem to mean whatever is best for the Clintons. At least they are consistent.
Narcissistic, entitled, and antidemocratic , but consistent.
March 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter Wolfson: Don't expect our arguments to make any sense. We're just throwing a lot of crap out there and see who's gullible enough to bite.
March 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes...the real test being administered is the gullibility test given to the media and the voters.
March 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So long as the media is drinking up their bullshit by the gallons, there is ZERO risk of anything coming back to bite her. Hell, I bet no one asked about Sinbad on the call or her tea and biscuits meeting in Ireland. Or ask how presumptious it was to be talking about selecting a VP when you've lost 29 out of 43 contests.
It is a wonder that the Clinton campaign has managed to survive under this whithering scrutiny by the media.
March 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder what "key commander-in-chief test" they expect Obama to pass prior to Hillary choosing him as VP? A vote to invade Iran?
For that matter, remind me, what "key commander-in-chief test" has Hillary passed? Getting on the Armed Services Committee?
March 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Commander in Chief for Dummies.
March 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary thinks that passing that threshold means voting for a dumb war, supporting cluster bombs, promising 100 occupation and new wars, "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," voting for Lieberman's Iran resolution, keeping up the neocon preconditions based approach to diplomacy, being afraid of being used for propaganda, etc. WTF?
March 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, under this system that pretty much *is* the test for a Commander-in-Chief.
And God knows she's passed it with every disreputable flying color you can name.
March 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
More from Wolfson:
"The clearest test of any man's wisdom is the extent to which he agrees with you. It's clear that Americans have said, with a united voice, that Senator Obama has not passed the Commander-in-Chief test at this time. But we have hope for the young man. Being a qualified CinC is all about the exercise of judgment under pressure. Should Senator Obama choose to concede the race and endorse Senator Clinton, that would obviously speak to his wisdom and maturity, because a Clinton presidency is clearly in the national interest. In short, the only way Senator Obama can pass the Commander-in-Chief test would be to endorse Senator Clinton, and we'd be happy to consider him for Vice President if he did."
March 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you guys at TPM ever step back and take count of how many of your posts are devoted to covering every smear from the Clinton campaign, no matter how baseless and/or logically incoherent?
And seriously: "it is very hard to see how some of these comments from Hillary don't come back to bite in the unlikely event that she edges out a victory and offers the veep slot to Obama."
Because, god forbid, you actually, I don't know, point out that this is pure bullshit WHEN HE'S MAKING THE FUCKING STATEMENT! Better to allow the lies and distortions to gain traction and then point out that Obama didn't respond to them quickly.
Of course, he wouldn't need to respond if you weren't so eager to broadcast pure spin in the first place.
March 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
brewmn61, I am sad to say I am beginning to see this same pattern that you do. I usually comment in defense of Greg and Eric and Josh because I think readers may not understand how TPM originated. It was exactly to do what you are complaining about here, put up early notice of the BS spin from Shrub's thugs while they were stealing the Florida election in 2000, so that we could prepare to rebut their BS before it was picked up by the MSM.
But, now it does appear that TPM Election Central is becoming more of an echo chamber for Hillary's insane spinners. See my post below about the NYT article today revealing that Hillary is completely unable to govern her dysfunctional staff, thus demonstrating she will make a lousy commander in chief.
March 10, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, it's just Greg being himself again...
he thinks this IS critical of the Clintons.
March 10, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to take this back. This is not a good example of bias on second look.
Sorry, Greg.
March 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, but you can't point *that* out.
First of all, it would look like pro-Obama bias (and we can't have that, can we); second, how do you expect MSM gigs for the TPM crew to materialize if they don't prove themselves to be 'responsible' journalists by doing what's best for the nation and remain objective; thereby advancing the cause of the most 'responsible' candidate of the two.
I mean, if they took the side of a wild, unruly anarchist bomb-thrower like Obama (the candidate supported by mere voters, which makes him automatically suspect in the eyes of the MSM), they could kiss any possible future inside the system 'adios'. You've gotta show you're an adult by getting behind the candidate least likely to destabilize our status quo.
Who the hell wants to slug it out in the blogosphere forever if they can help it?
March 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
They obviously don't. My suspicion is that they are attacted to the tragic diva aspect of her life.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/clinton-and-the.html#more
March 11, 2008 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
And we have a winner! Let's be clear what this is:
STENOGRAPHY POSING AS JOURNALISM.
It is almost sad to read some of the posts lately. A serious drop in the quality we have come to expect from TPM. Is TPM really willing to throw all standards out the window and become no better than Judith Miller was for neocons?
I just read Josh's post on the front page right now and it reads like a get out of jail free card for someone that wants to steal delegates. And it isn't just one post. This is post after post of the same stuff we have been fighting against from the MSM.
Truly disappointed.
March 11, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfson, in both resemblance and rhetoric, is the splitting image of Ari Fleischer.
March 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama, use a #2 pencil, stay within the little ovals, and carefully erase any stray pencil marks. Ms. Clinton will be proctoring the test. Your time begins NOW.
March 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still triangulatin' away...
March 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again I say....
He's "NOT READY TO BE COMMANDER-N-CHIEF"?????
Yet the very first DECISION that Hillary would make as the Democratic nominee for president would be to nominate Obama as her Vice President?
The VP slot MUST BE READY ON DAY ONE also. Think about 9/11 folks. Just 9 months into Bush's presidency, if something had happened to Bush, Cheney would have been our PRESIDENT.
Who ever the Presidential nominee picks as their VP should be ready on day one.
Penn's saying that Hillary's FIRST DECISION/JUDGEMENT would be a FAILURE once again.
March 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly!
Just keep rememering SHE needs him, he doesn't need her.
March 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll probably lose some karma for this but I heard someone say...
If proximity to the President qualifies Hillary as "Commander in Chief" doesn't that imply that Monica Lewinski qualifies for Secretary of State?
March 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes it does, Lewinski would be qualified under Monster Inc.s metricks.
It is a good thing too, I heard Eli Manning is stepping down as Quarterback and the coach has named Eli's wife as the new quarterback. That should work out well.
March 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole flirtation with a joint ticket is very deceitful on the part of the Clintons. They're hoping to steal the votes of people who like both candidates by offering "the best of both worlds," which I doubt they'll deliver. I honestly can't see Hillary wanting the rock star on her ticket, plus she's doing everything she can think of to destroy his viability as a general election candidate. And he'd be crazy to join her ticket and get covered with the stench of Clintonianism.
March 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ben Smith over at Politico has an interesting pro-Hillary take on this. Ben is an unapologetic Hillary supporter one loose screw short of Taylor Marsh, but it's interesting nonetheless.
March 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on, folks. Did anyone really take Hillary and Bill seriously on this point? It's a joke, but it's a joke that follows the predictable Clinton pattern.
Here's some facts you can count on regarding Hillary:
She will not release her tax returns - possibly ever in the primary season but definitely not before PA on 4/22.
She will never directly address any scandal she has ever been associated with, quickly dispatching them as just more mud from the VRWC.
If she secures the nomination, she will never invite Obama on the ticket. He will command too much press attention and shift the focus away from her.
She will not disavow lobbyists.
She will pay no price for employing the reprehensible Sandy Berger as a foreign policy advisor (Berger was convicted of stealing classified documents from the National Archive. A true American patriot.). Meanwhile, Samatha Power is forced to resign for calling Clinton a G-rated name.
She will continue to characterize Florida and Michigan delegates as "disenfranchised," although she was complicit in their disenfranchisement and only expressed outrage when she lost South Carolina (in fact, it was the night of her loss in SC that she first invoked Florida in her non-concession concession speech).
She will continue to cherry-pick good results over bad from the first Clinton presidency.
She will never redress misstatements and false assertions about her record (e.g. Northern Ireland, Kosovo).
She will continue to fear-monger.
Mark Penn will remain on the payroll.
Howard Wolfson will never apologize for comparing Obama to Ken Starr.
She will never apologize for her Iraq war vote or her Iran vote - the whole point of which was to position her as hawkish in the general election (American lives be damned).
She will never tell the whole story about her healthcare plan, which is not universal healthcare at all but universal access to health insurance (and whose biggest beneficiaries are insurance companies, who love the idea of mandates, aka forcing people to buy insurance).
So, you see, there's really no reason to get your features ruffled about anything Clinton says or does in the course of this election. She will never be held accountable and the process will continue, as it has, since the Clintons entered public life.
Instead, bring your focus back to Obama. Get out his vote, dammit.
March 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
nepat at 12:46, best advice of the entire thread.
March 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear hear!
March 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
So this mysterious threshold can somehow be attained while on the campaign trail in the next few months, despite him apparently not being able to reach that threshold in all of his years of public service?
Hmmm....
March 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look it's like a zen parable: what's the sound of one hand clapping?
Well, Obama will obviously have passed the CinC threshold when he agrees to be Hillary's VP, not before. When he no longers desires to be President he will attain "enlightenment." His desire to be CinC is exatly what's holding him back.
Though I also like JTHB's jedi explanation...
March 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am soooooo sick of these people.
March 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
more stenography is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, Greg, time for some "fair and balanced coverage." Please put up a link to this NY Times article revealing that Hillary is nearly incapable of governing her completely dysfunctional campaign staff, thus demonstrating that she has failed to cross the threshold of commander in chief:
The New York Times has finally reported what Sen. Obama's supporters have known for months: Sen. Clinton is a lousy manager, she is an unreliable commander in chief, and her campaign is a dysfunctional family suffering a meltdown just like her family did when they were in the White House:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/politics/10clinton.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
From time to time in the past hour, NYT has thrown a registration screen around that piece by Nagourney, Healy & Zernike. If TPM Election Central cannot gain access, I would be happy to email it to Greg or Josh.
March 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the reply above, Fractal.
I have really avoided claiming bias, because most of the claims (whether from our side or Hillary's) seemed overly defensive and a bit silly.
But, like you, I thought of the best of the blogs, and I have definitely considered TPM to be at the very top, were intending to offer a corrective to the spin coming from politicians and the MSM.
TPM has really just devolved in the last month or so into a : "Hillary says Obama is weak." "Hillary says Obama is a Muslim." "Hillary says Obama lied about [insert issue here]."
This is the kind of reporting that forced Paul Krugman to famously write [paraphrasing here] "Conservative says the world is flat. Others disagree."
I mean, really, how can anyone take anything that comes out of Howard Wolfson's or Mark Penn's mouth seriously at this point? And, by this constant repetition of their spin, TPM is giving a false impression that Hillary has all of the momentum, and that Obama is on the ropes. Meanwhile, the infamous Obama camp memo laying out who will win the later primaries is still eerily accurate, even down to the margins of victory. That memo, by the way shows Obama winning the pledged delegates by around 150.
The only way Hillary can win this thing is by a real scandal involving Obama coming to light, or by strongarming the referees at the DNC to overriding the winner of both pledged delegates and the popular vote. In other words, she has almost no chance at all.
Isn't it time to ask her point blank whether she is intending to overrule the will of Democratic primary voters, or if not, what her agenda truly is?
March 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with your point that "how can anyone take anything that comes out of Howard Wolfson's or Mark Penn's mouth seriously at this point?"
However, I think TPM has provided very "fair and balanced" coverage -- I say that intending the real meaning of the term, not the bastardized Fox News meaning. I think it's a public service when TPM publishes their rantings because it exposes how shameless, cynical or Orwellian the Clinton campaign is. Their words speak for themselves.
I also really value Josh's commentary because I think he's very astute, fair and insightful and while he calls them as he sees them, he's not shilling for any one side. I say that as an Obamamaniac who, despite my current state of apoplexy with the Clinton campaign, still manages to appreciate a calm, rational, level-headed voice.
March 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wiggle room achieved, we suppose, though it is very hard to see how some of these comments from Hillary don't come back to bite in the unlikely event that she edges out a victory and offers the veep slot to Obama.
This is not really an issue because she knows quite well that Obama knows he has nothing to gain from a Vice Presidency in her administration and would clearly not accept. She would never offer it to him however much it seems she might need him in the unlikely circumstance that she manages to finagle the nomination. It would only hurt her chances in the GE to be publicly rejected by Obama. Floating the whole VP thing is pretty clearly a strategy to try and pull some voters right now. By the time it becomes necessary for the Dem nominee to choose a running mate, it will be but a fleeting memory.
March 10, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Clinton should be careful on this C-in-C issue, lest she too fall victim to the "Zell Miller" rule for excluding super-delegates to the Democratic convention. As people know, Senator Lieberman has been barred from the convention under this rule which prohibits convention delegates from endorsing non-Democratic candidates for president. If the Clinton camp makes the statement that Sen. Obama is not qualified to be C-in-C (i.e. president) even though he has a majority of the pledged delegates, but Sen. McCain is qualified, that might be enough to have Senator Clinton excluded as a super-delegate under a liberal interpretation of the Zell Miller rule.
March 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is nice to see the media finally pushing back on the endless loads of bullshit the Clinton campaign keeps pumping out. I guess two weeks ago when she was all but dead they figured they didn't have to take her seriously.
March 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you should run Wolfson's statements by Byah, Clark, Vilsack and others who have sold their souls in exchange for the promise of a VP slot. As a matter of fact, have ANY of them been asked whether they were promised a position in her administration?
March 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's people are pathetically double-talking this whole "he can be her VP even though he's not ready to be commander in chief."
PA Gov. Ed Rendell was on Timmeh yesterday saying, essentially, well, yes, Barack is qualified to be commander-in-chief, just not AS QUALIFIED AS HILLARY. So, he would make a great VP.
Oh, and Rendell's only argument for why Hillary is entitled to have the superdelegates overrule the primaries and caucuses? It's because Hillary won the "big, important" states like PA (oh, he *assumed* she would win PA) and OH and TX (whaaa?) and FL and MI. He kept repeating that mantra. FL and MI have not voted yet, asshole.
I think I smell the hysteria of losers . . . .
March 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW I found a fantastic article…A MUST read for EVERYONE “The Hussein Dynamic” at http://savagepolitics.com.
Brilliant writing that goes beyond what the MSM is feeding us!!!!
Here is an excerpt: “The issue of Barack Obama’s religious definition has captivated many Americans to the point were charges of terrorism and counter charges of racism have been thrown into the fray of the discussion, aimed at either side. To many Liberal Americans, whether or not Obama is a Muslim (or was a Muslim) is irrelevant to the feelings of “hope” and “change” that he inspires in them, which they consider to have a higher merit than petty religious or ethnic associations. To many Conservative Americans, the mere allocation of any candidate within the realm of Islam is sufficient reason to vote against him, irrespective of the details that may lie in the penumbra of his personal story. Either way, it is impossible for any citizen to make an intelligent assessment of either perspective, without knowing the details and the relevant information regarding Mr. Obama’s past. Unlike the Mainstream Media, who has automatically assumed that Obama has no relation to Islam, in a vague attempt to paint themselves as “reasonable” and “progressives”, most thinking citizens should not follow suit. There is ample evidence to make any reasonable citizen conclude that the Obama campaign and the Media have been hiding some crucial elements of this candidate’s past that should become widely known and discussed in the open. Let us then ask ourselves; Is Barack Obama a Muslim?” get the rest at http://savagepolitics.com/?p=171
March 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I've never heard this before. But these sources seem both numerous and credible.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/03/hillary-clinton-get-fcked.html
But maybe we could let ourselves be distracted some more....?
March 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow!!! Kinda puts things in perspective. Thanks for the link.
March 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to hear Howard Wolfson respond to the following questions:
1. Do you think Bill Clinton was a capable C-in-C?
2. What "threshold" did the former President cross before he was elected to his first term? In other words, what national security experience did he have that would have led him to cross this "threshold" you are touting?
3. Given that John McCain has been on the Armed Services Committee a lot longer than Hillary and has served in the US military, isn't it fair to say that he is far more qualified to be C-in-C?
(post spin from question 3)
4. So this is really about Bill Clinton's experience and not Hillary's, right?
March 10, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great - more embarrassing Clintonian word-parsing. "At this point" must be the new version of "It depends on what your definition of Is is."
She deserves to lose if only because she and her advisors are such monumental jackasses.
March 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
troll alert
March 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
funny thing about the latest insider poll.
hillary is winning the republican vote 71 to 18.
March 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
And since when is Hillary so qualified to be Commander in Chief?
March 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where? Surely would like to know where.
March 10, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
2. What "threshold" did the former President cross before he was elected to his first term? In other words, what national security experience did he have that would have led him to cross this "threshold" you are touting?
Bill Maher asked Terry McAuliffe that question. Terry had nothing to offer but BS.
March 10, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is clear that the Hillary camp thinks that Commander-in-Chief gravitas is something they and ONLY they can CONFER upon Sen. Obama at a press availability on a bright summer morning against a photogenic background that would make Michael Deaver proud when they announce that will be her Veep on the ticket. They are walking delusionists.
They do not understand the numbers, the movement, the motivation or the intrinsic appeal of Obama. Their wacky fantasy devalues the Obama moment down to the ground.
I would argue that the same mindset that put Sen. Clinton on the wrong side of AUMF operates to this minute in their deliria about the dream ticket. She and her ragtag crowd of advisors are invariably, reflexively and unpleasantly on the wrong side of history.
March 10, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
HILLARY-SINBAD '08!!!!
March 10, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too funny!
Also on that same conference call: "Speaking on a conference call with reporters, Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard, a Clinton supporter, compared Obama's stance on Iraq to a person who could "recognize a cow" (ostensibly, the perils of the war) but not milk it."
How about the Iraq War 'cash cow' for the military-industrial complex, Joe? Is that the one Hillary can milk?
March 10, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the hell does that mean? In that analogy, what is Hillary's vote for the war? Someone trying to milk a bull?
March 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's 3AM and there's a moo from the barn. The cow needs milking. Who do you trust to handle that udder?
March 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama Responds
March 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great, I'm glad he responded with strong words, and not waffling on the subject.
Now if only he would lash out about her experience. "Does being the President's wife give you the experience to be C in C?"
"When the red phone rang in 2002 for the war, how did she answer it?"
March 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really, really, really don't want to hear from these people or the clintons anymore, let alone for the next four years. I wish they would just go away.
March 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfson backpedals furiously.
Could anything, I ask you, be sweeter (if only for a moment)?
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pathetic Clinton Campaign doublespeak. That alone should be enough to make people not to want to hear this for four years more.
Clinton may not be transparent about her taxes or her White House records or her husband's donors to the foundation or library, but she is transparetly cynical.
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has to pass the traveling to Bosnia with Sinbad foreign crisis management test and then have tea and crumpets with Irish women.
That'll do it.
ps Hillary was "for" Obama being VP before she was against it.
March 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
QUOTE OF THE DAY
From a Kos poster via Andrew Sulivan's blog:
"Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle."
March 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The correct answer is 1627.
http://obamaiswinning.com/
March 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me translate for Wolfson: "I was pushing the "he's not ready meme and, as is typical with our frayed, disorganized campaing, Bill and the rest of them were pimping the "maybe we'll consider him as VP meme," without telling me. So this is the best I can do to try to narrow the gap between these two shockingly at-odds positions..."
Isn't that so much more clear?
March 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll alert.
March 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was very unhappy with Nader in 2000; when he said the two parties are the same, I thought "bullshit". Gore would not have invaded Iraq, no torture, no illegal wiretapping, no "rendition", no loss of habeas corpus, no stop-loss, no $12 billion a week going into the Republican war machine.
But with Ms. Clinton, I am not so sure. Nader may have a point ...
BP
March 10, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about Samantha Power? Sure, an Obama Power ticket might sound too corny, but oh, the schadenfreude.
March 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
An uncharacteristic projection, given that polls don't usually distinguish between the invasion and the occupation. Probably the Democratic Party doesn't make the distinction, but, without proper polling, we can't assume the rest of America doesn't. Or so it appears to me. I don't know tech stuff.
March 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm mistaken -- TheDrudgeReport mentions Obama's statment. yahoo!
March 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe Hillary as first spouse never had a secret security clearance. As senator she never read the NIE before voting for AMUF in Iraq. She voted FOR Kyl-Lieberman which is an AMUF for IRAN. Experience she may have, but is it the right kind?
True, she is more experienced than GWB was when he took office (didn't even have a valid passport), but isn't that setting the bar a tad low?
I think the experience/inexperience thing is bogus, we need someone with good judgement.
March 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Commander-in-Chief threshold stands before a door that can only be opened from the inside. Hillary and John McCain and other elite persons are on the other side of the door. Hill and Bill are hinting that when they, or rather she, becomes the nominee, she may open the door to Barack Obama and let him cross the Commander-in-Chief threshold. Then again she may not. Why make this more complicated than it is?
March 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly hope that Sen. Obama, also addressed the absurdity that Mr "Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran" has passed the threshhold to be commander in chief.
What BS. And he should be blasting McHillary for even suggesting such a thing, and pointing out that the fact that she did suggest that shows she is not ready to be C-in-C!
March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Hillary isn't planning to get Obama as her VP. She's just trying to belittle him.
I'm just hoping everyone understands that and that this is just part of her ploy to pretend as if she's the front-runner again. I'm not sure why people are cool with them playing us like dummies, but I don't like it.
March 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely -- BHO (IMHO) should say something like "If Hillary wants to be considered as a possible VP in my administration, she will need to start exhibiting better judgement -- and not make inappropriate statements like 'Mr. Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran will make a good C-in-C', or that the 2nd place candidate should be offering the VP to the first place candiate!
March 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wulfson is kidding, right? I actually laughed ALOUD when I read that. He's not ready now, but will be by August? The Clinton camp will stoop lower than I'd imagined with their ridiculous spinning.
March 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like the Sirens of Greek Mythology, Penn and Wolfson sing their sweet song, hoping to lure listeners to their death. But like Odysseus, Obama resists their persuasions, sailing safely by, and leaving them to die on their barren rocky island...
And you think only limousine liberals and kids supported Obama...you forgot Greek Mythology buffs, and we are comin' out BIG TIME for Obama!
March 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I must of have the announcement that Hillary had taken and passed the C-in-C test. Clearly she must have cheated and had Bill take the test for her. Of course, the 3 am phone call was Linda Tripp ratting out Bill...
But "with all due respect"... since when does the person in second place do the choosing? Hillary Clinton: Blind Ambition.
March 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What makes Hillary qualified to decide who meets the threshold for Commander in Chief?
The longer Hillary persists with her "Vast Clintonite Conspiracy," to steal the delegate lead from Obama, the more she angers the millions of babyboomers who gave her and her husband unconditional love and support for the past 15 years. By the end of this primar season, she will have just as many friends in her party as Tricky Dick had when he resigned!
March 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clintonistas, where are you?
March 10, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
She'll invite him to a few tea parties and then he'll be just as qualified as she is.
March 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mythology buffs and white, middle-aged, ex-Republicans.
March 10, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. The actual Republican base is much more closely allied with Sen. Clinton.
Just wait'll she becomes President. Crypto-Commie upstarts like Hugo Chavez won't know what hit them!
(actually, they *will* know. It's the same thing that's been hitting them for the last century)
March 11, 2008 5:23 AM | Reply | Permalink