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Hillary On Bosnia Screw-Up: "It Proves I'm Human, Which For Some Is A Revelation"
Hillary, at a press conference just now, concedes error on the whole Bosnia-sniper flap...
I just made a mistake. I had a different memory. My staff and others have all come together trying to sort out -- so I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which for some is a revelation.
Also: In the wake of the Obama campaign releasing his tax returns today, Hillary now said at the presser that she hopes to release hers sometime next week.
More on the presser soon, including remarks she made about Wright.
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She misremembered whether or not she was being shot at. Yeah, that happens to me all the time.
March 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too, actually usually it is just gas, but it can scare the crap out of me at times.
March 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
EXACTLY! I mean, speaking as someone that actually HAS been shot at in his life, it's not something that you forget or misremember when you're "sleep-deprived". Total fuckin' bullshit, and if any of my fellow Americans buys this line from her, you're as stupid as she thinks you are.
March 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell us all about it, man. I love a good war story.
March 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well since your Scientific, let me know what you think of these Obama lies?
Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: “I meant the whole civil rights movement.”
Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter. ... ..
White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists "won't work in my White House" after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions. ... ..
Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never become law as Obama seemed to suggest.
Immigration is a case in point for Obama, but not the only one. In 2007, after the first comprehensive immigration bill had died, the senators were back at it, and again, Obama was notably absent, staffers and senators said. At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill's employment verification system. Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter.
"Senator Obama came in late, brought up issues that had been hashed and rehashed," Specter recalled. "He didn't stay long."
Just this week, as the financial markets were roiling in the wake of the Bear Stearns collapse, Obama made another claim that was greeted with disbelief in some corners of Capitol Hill. On March 13, Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, unveiled legislative proposals to allow the Federal Housing Administration to guarantee new loans from banks willing to help homeowners in or approaching foreclosure.
...and we haven't even gotten back into all the ramblings on Obama and Rezko, or to the current status of Rev. Wright, where Obama said he hadn't heard his preacher's anti-American screeds, before he had to admit he had. As they say in blogworld... this one is still developing. However, unlike the other stories that the press shrugs off, Rev. Wright seems to be sticking. Something about it goes deeper than policies and politics, and Obama's team senses it, too.
March 25, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite is Barack Sr., the "goat herder" when his wife says he was a clerk in Nairobi when he got his scholarship.
Which version makes more sense?
Which version will Obama fans remember?
March 26, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's father was a goat herder in Kenya when he was young. It has been confirmed, by numerous people. He wasn't a goat herder his entire life, he just started out that way. Obama's point is that it is remarkeable that a man who was once a goat herder in Kenya could father a child that has a strong possibility of becoming the President of the US. Even those most hateful of Obama have got to realize that the odds of that happening are pretty small.
I support HRC, but I seem to spend most of my time around here defending Obama as well. Kind of sad.
March 26, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was a goat herder as a kid. (Maybe he delivered newspapers on his bike as well?) He was a clerk in Nairobi for 5 years when he got his fellowship to come to the US and study. But all I kept hearing was how this goat herder got a scholarship.
March 27, 2008 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.
March 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seriously think Hillary is a mentally deranged woman unfit to be a President of the most powerful country. All her bad moments
1. Just found my voice
2. Ready on day one
3. Wright rants
4. Fixation on her pet health care project
5. CIC delusions
6. Repeated Bosnian lies despite contrary video proof.
7. Whining about media bias and Whining about being asked questions first
8. Lying about NAFTA
9. Paranoia about e-mails
10. Breaking agreed election rules and then blaming the opponent for it
11. Losing control over her campaign money and worse, her campaign itself
12. Appearing cordial with Obama on stage and then turning around next day with 'Shame on you' comments
I think that dirty dozen is proof enough to institutionalize her, pronto.
March 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grover, that little girl could've had a gun. How do you know she was reading a poem, and it wasn't actually a death threat?
Stop being so unpatriotic.
March 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
she "misremembered" this FOUR TIMES over FOUR MONTHS!!
This should blow any electability arguments she has completely out of the water. Al Gore was painted as a "serial liar"? Put this with her bullsh*t claims of bringing peace to Northern Ireland and stick a fork in her.
March 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I keep forgetting whether or not I get shot at, too.
I also forgot that I didn't really bring peace to Ireland or Bosnia and had almost nothing to do with either one of them. I forgot that my former pastor has done dastardly things, and not just preached a controversial sermon. I forgot about my husband's philandering, too.
I had no trouble believing she was human. I have an even easier time believing she'll lie, cheat, or do anything else to get elected.
March 25, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear John Kerry didn't earn his medals either....
Hillary in Ireland
In August 1999 the British Secretary for Northern Ireland, Mo Mowlam, told Ireland’s Talk Magazine:
Hillary is one of the essential reasons we’ve had 18 months of relative peace. Without her we would have no economic boom.
...
Hillary traveled to Northern Ireland seven times
between 1995 and 2004, and she was the only First Lady in American history to visit that blood-soaked country even once.
...In 1997 at the University of Ulster, County Antrim, Hillary delivered the first memorial lecture in memory of the recently deceased Belfast community worker, Mrs. Joyce McCartan, who had lost 18 relatives during the Troubles....
“I don’t know whether a Catholic or a Protestant
made this teapot. I don’t know whether a Catholic or a Protestant sold this teapot. I only know that this teapot serves me very well, and it
stands for all those conversations around those thousands of kitchen tables where mothers and fathers look at one another with despair,
because they cannot imagine the future will be any better for their children.” But this teapot also is on the kitchen table where mothers and fathers can look at one another and say: `We have to do
better. We cannot permit this to go on. We have to take a stand for our
children.’
...
A year later Hillary was back in Northern Ireland
lending her voice to the struggle for peace in a keynote speech to the
`Women in Democracy’ Vital Voices conference at an overflowing Waterfront Hall in Belfast. In the course of that speech she received two standing ovations from an audience that included: the wife of the First Minister, Daphne Trimble; the RUC Chief Constable, Ronnie Flanagan; the Sinn Fein leaders, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Pat
Doherty; Ulster Unionist representatives Jim Wilson and Peter Weir; the US ambassador to Ireland, Jean Kennedy Smith; and the Chief Executive of the Northern Ireland Fair Employment Commission, Bob Cooper.
....
March 26, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
It proves that you are a liar
March 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
When you come up with a story out of thin air, and repeat it at least once, its not a "mistake", its a lie. Unless of course you are admitting that telling the lie was a mistake.
March 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget the comment where she first denies saying that she didn't understand Greenspan, then says it was a joke, then says it's because she says "millions of words every week."
March 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
A liar who will "say anything, do anything"
It proves you are you are Bill Clinton's wife, the two became one
March 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit. I would have bought this argument if she made these statements after account was challenged by Sinbad. Instead she comes out and attempts to dismiss Sinbad as a comedian, trots out Togo West to defend her and repeats the same damn misstatement. She only admitted she was wrong when confronted with video, which I'm pretty sure she knew about.
As for the tax returns, notice she said "hopes" as if there is something keeping her from doing so.
Love that media bias....
March 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
damn, for someone who says she's ready on Day One, she's doesn't seem as though she's someone we can rely upon.
oh, Hillary, we know you're human, we just don't think that you're a good human.
March 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
the only thing it proves is that she's a liar.
trying to use this blatant episode of dishonesty as a means to "humanize" herself is just the latest cynical ploy of Penn and Co.
ordinary people may make things up about their last fishing trip or a fight they had in High School, but we expect our candidates for President to not lie so pettily, particularly when it comes to international incidents.
March 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more immediate question
March 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't flatter yourself Hill. Not today.
March 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
To err is to be human, to continually repeat the same detailed lies in order to attack your opponent for supposedly not being experienced enough, even after many questions had been raised about the factuality of those comments is to be a Clinton.
You can't pretend this was just a misstatement, especially when you have been caught in similar lies and exaggerations surrounding all of your major foreign policy claims:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/03/mythbusting-hillary-lies-on-top-of-lies.html
March 25, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
It proves she is a liar!
March 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desperation is human.
March 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope she decides to step down next week. She hopes to release her tax returns.
We're both just filled with high hopes, today!
March 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus, this is a lie, as blatant a freaking lie as you'll ever see. It's not as if she forgot what the in-flight meal was. She completely fabricated the circumstances of this incident and built an entire campaign narrative around it.
She's just awful, awful, awful and she makes me ashamed that I'm in her party.
March 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she "wins" the nomination somehow, I won't be in her party. Hell, I might leave even if Obama wins. I guess I can then add to his Independent vote...
March 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Different memory, my ass. Those were PREPARED REMARKS. Read Andrew Sullivan's take:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/i-was-sleep-dep.html
March 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke."
It's bullcrap, and even if it wasn't...you think you're going to get a lot more sleep as President? Consider the campaign a physical test.
March 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush manages somehow, and we have seen how that worked out.
March 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's interesting. But when you follow the links, all you see her saying was that an opening ceremony was moved inside because of sniper fire. I guess I'd have to say I can't tell why they moved the ceremony -- assuming they did -- but I know you might move the first lady inside, even if the snipers had just been popping up now and then. Just saying what she says in the link could be true. She's not claiming there were snipers when she was there. Just talking about what she said previously.
March 25, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
She made the comments several different times.
She made the comments in a prepared speech.
She's already claimed to have "misspoken" because she was tired, which is interesting in light of her "3 A.M." claims.
How does she expect to call McCain out on his repeatedly conflating Sunni and Shiite militants? After all, they are both exhibiting some of the same propensity to repeatedly get certain easily verifiable fact outrageously wrong. Call them lies, call them regrettable inaccuracies, call them senior moments, it's becoming harder and harder to tell Hillary and McCain apart.
March 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
A different memory?!?!
This follows a pattern of deliberate lies and exaggerations from Hillary. On a goodwill trip to Asia in 1995, she lied to Sir Edmund Hillary about being named after him.
Now she's lying about dodging sniper fire? Why? TO milk the moment once again. She is a pathological liar. Pathetic.
March 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Hillary, this does not prove you are human. This proves that you are a lying monster incapable of human feeling or emotion and programmed to say anything to get elected. The actions of you and your campaign have left me with no other conclusion.
March 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"monster"??? samantha, is that you?
March 25, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh! She got the message, but did have a cheap shot as usual: "It proves I'm human, which for some is a revelation." O.K., she didn't say celestial, and Sinbad is still a comedian. And, how old was her daughter at the time, sure she clarified her memories with her, but now we know she "was sleep-deprived, and [I] misspoke." Yes, at four different times, but who counts these thing, O'Dowd.
March 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Sometime next week"? Thought it was April 15, Hillary? Get those talking points straight!
Guess she's sleep-deprived again.
By the way, anyone saying that sleep deprivation caused them to say that they were shot at when they was actually greeted by a child reading a poem, they should be disqualified from running for President, post fucking haste.
March 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright already! It was too many damm 3:00 a.m. phone calls for Bill about those other color.......
March 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg - please keep the focus on Bosnia and don't let her change the topic to Wright as she'd like to
March 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know from our trip together in Bosnia, dodging sniper fire, that Hillary Clinton is in fact robot created by the military to extract sympathy votes from angry middle-aged privileged white women.
Sinbad/Clinton '08 - Dream Ticket!
March 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sinbad for the win!
March 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to see she is JUST your running mate, Sinbad.
March 25, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I just made a mistake. I had a different memory. My staff and others have all come together trying to sort out -- so I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which for some is a revelation"
All people are human, but some people are more human than others.
March 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that the bulk of her foreign policy experience is based on her overactive imagination. Every time she gives a speech about her qualifications, people are going to be fact checking to make sure she's not lying. That's not a good place to be as a politician.
March 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok--question:
Hillary, you said all you remember was being told you were going into a war zone. You had no qualms about taking your teenage daughter into a dangerous WAR ZONE!!!???? Your husband Bill had no problem sending both his wife, America's First Lady and his only daughter into a dangerous WAR ZONE!!!
So you think we should think you are more human!!!???
Sounds like you and Bill were just plain irresponsible or else you knew the zone was safe.
Which is it, Hillary?
March 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo!
Even is we look past the absurdity of her lying, if what she thought she had experienced was true in her mind, then she is someone with criminal neglect for her child.
March 25, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is pathetic. Clinton lied in an almost pathological fashion -- that's not human.
Fibbing is human. Libeling an entertainer who was stand uo enough to go on a USO tour as part of the coverup is reprehensible. Let's hope this thing has enough legs to walk her over to the withdrawal
podium. For the good of your party, give it up Senator. We already know how far the Clintons are willing to stretch the definition of what being "human" means from her husband.
March 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have got my head around the fact that Hillary is awful.
What I can't understand is why she still has any level of support among Dems.
March 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS Exposes Hillary Clinton Bosnia Trip. watch!
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March 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhhhh...ye olde victim card again from Hillary. She must really feel her back is against the wall...
March 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still watch and read everything that is going on, through Politico, TPM, dKos, MSNBC, Sullivan, Ambinder, MNPublius, etc. Yes, a lot of those have a decidedly pro-Obama slant.
Some don't.
But the bottom line, from this unobjective viewer, is that I cannot believe anything Hillary says any more. too many "misstatements," unjustified character attacks, and too much of the usual gruel of identity politics and troughing out the pork to the pigs.
And too little vision.
Even a guy who admired both Hillary and Bill in the 90's can get fed up. I'm satiated and, finally, Clinton-fatigued. I think I understand what all the wingnuts have been saying for years. Too bad they are too short-sighted to see that the same rules for fatigue apply to their, Republican, elected officials as well...
Oh well...
March 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Angry Vet--
Haven't seen you in awhile...
Clinton satiation....yes, it appears to be sweeping across the Democratic landscape. Just not fast enough, though, to prevent a total Democratic meltdown, sadly.
March 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your predictions of meltdown may be premature. Let's see what happens in PA and NC. The speed of her self-destruction dance may be speeding up. Time will tell.
March 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Angry Vet, refresh my memory, didn't you used to be a Hillary defender? Or am I misspeaking? I haven't had much sleep lately.
March 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't fall for the 'This proves...' turn of phrase. Ask her to release how her campaign 'came together' and got so many wires crossed. I bet there's a point in the process that reveals a state of mind in the campaign that cherry picks the most affirming or flattering account, even when they could've checked the veracity of their claim.
Great, when's the revelation that she's human AND has a reliable memory? I mean, has she been under fire so many times, she confuses them? This was preposterous from the get-go.
LF
March 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, this is nuts!
The other day I was walking over to Whole Foods to get some milk, and all of a sudden sniper fire breaks out, and I had to jump behind a car so as to not get shot! Crazy, right? I know! And then I had to make all these crazy dodges and dives and roll under a school bus, and I was going to buy flowers from the little stand outside for my wife, but because of the snipers, I had to just run inside and then the manager took me to a secure location and we had to wait till the marines came and cleared the area before I could leave. Whew.
What? You've got a video tape that clearly shows me calmly walking over there, buying flowers and milk and then walking home?
Oh, I'm sorry. I was just so tired today that I misspoke.
March 25, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
March 25, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow, was she high when she told us "the fairy tale" on St. Patrick's day? If I had been in a war zone with my daughter running around when snipers were shooting at us, you'd think I couldn't forget it. Just ask any soldier has been so-called "war on terror" in Iraq.
March 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn.
You mean she really did not calmly stroll through a hail of Sniper fire at Tuzla airport.
This means that I will have to refund all the money that I raised for a Hillary Rambo Clinton at Tuzla monument.....
March 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, for one, forgive her. I can't count the number of times I've gotten in trouble for adding an extra M.D. to my name. Some people are so high-strung. It's two freakin' letters.
March 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I once claimed on my resume that I had been nominated for the Nobel Prize, and geez, people got all hot. But I just explained that I make up millions of resumes, and, that I get really tired, to boot, and everything was really copacetic.
March 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paging "idiotic"...
"idiotic," please report to this thread...
March 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Telegraph U.K. ran a piece on Hillary's "silly" Irish peace claims. Between making peace and dodging bullets, Hillary is one heck of a gal, isn't she?
"Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml
March 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
you mean the lord trimble who opposed the clinton administration's involvement in the peace process? that lord trimble?
Too bad, according to the NY Times that Gerry "Adams said the assessment of Mr. Trimble, his party’s historic adversary, was “not true.” In an interview with The Irish Times, he said Mrs. Clinton “played an important role in the peace process,” an assessment echoed by John Hume, leader of the mostly Catholic Social Democratic and Labour Party.
“I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland,” Mr. Hume, who shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Mr. Trimble, said in a statement posted on Mrs. Clinton’s Web site. “In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.”"
link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22irish.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=john+hume+hillary+clinton&st=nyt&oref=slogin
March 25, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
SniperGate takes a new turn:
"Well sir, I think that my mother’s on record as having talked about this and I support what she said. I mean, I was there as well and I’m so honored that I was there." -- Chelsea Clinton
Now With More Video!
What does it say about Chelsea that she now has to defend her mothers lying?
March 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chelsea is a class act. Check the front page for the way she handled a guy like you yesterday, Jimmy.
March 26, 2008 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is off topic, but I just wrote a letter to my Congressman asking him what he and the Democratic leadership are doing to make sure that this race does not deteriorate to the point where we lose the White House.
This is our year, if we lose, the Democratic party needs to go the way of the Whigs...
Everyone write your representatives and senators and ask them to show the leadership you elected them to exhibit!!
March 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, it's a simple misunderstanding. Who remembers a silly little thing like getting shot at?
March 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
But didnt Mark Penn say being human was overated?
March 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
One lie after another! Now she's saying that she misspoke because she was tired (contrary to video evidence), and that she only misspoke once (a brand new whopper). She's toast, or the electorate is stupid - the choice is yours.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/25/105346/318/335/483775
March 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
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slinkerwink: I read your candidate's interview in the newspaper today but hearing Hillary Clinton attack Obama like that made me mad. How can she do that? It's an attack on my church! I belong to that faith, the united church of christ!
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slinkerwink: this is the same newspaper that attacked hillary Clinton for vince foster back in the 90s. I can't take Hillary Clinton's damaging the Democratic Party anymore.You can forget about my vote in the general election!
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SIPRelay: The thing is the Reverend Wright deal is she really does have a good point.
slinkerwink: no, she doesn't. I belong to that faith
SIPRelay: If the pastor is racist or anti-American, then having going to that church for more than 20 years
slinkerwink: I know the Trinity Church is nothing like that
SIPRelay: You should be able to figure out that you should go to another church.
slinkerwink: I have friends in Chicago. they go to that church. They're mad as hell about how three minute clips out of 10 years of videotaped sermons are being taken out of context. Your candidate Hillary invited Reverend Wright to the White House
SIPRelay: Well, the only thing that we know about the church is what we have heard from the media and other people.
slinkerwink: back in 1998
slinkerwink: It was fox news that pushed this, remember? they're the ones that went after the Clintons. so why would you take a video clip edited out of context at its word from fox news?
SIPRelay: It was in the 90s and Bill Clinton has meant tens of thousands of people.
slinkerwink: why are you repeating right-wing talking points? I used to support bill clinton
SIPRelay: There is a lot of situations where he is shaken hands with a million to 2 million people.
SIPRelay: It is impossible to know everything about the people that go to the White House.
slinkerwink: but I don't support him when he's race-baiting. Oh, please, Wright was invited TWICE to the White House
SIPRelay: However these comments were made in June and November of last year not 10 years ago
slinkerwink: If he was good enough for the white house back then. if he was good enough to have bill ask him for forgiveness for cheating on hillary....then why are they throwing reverend wright, a man they asked for forgiveness, under the bus?
SIPRelay: Hillary and Bill did not go to the church for 10 years.
slinkerwink: It's in the new york times article
slinkerwink: It's an attack on my faith
SIPRelay: It's a completely different story.
slinkerwink: IT's an attack on people of fait. no, it's not. You guys are attacking the black church. that's why you're losing african american votes. do you know the damage your candidate is doing to the democratic party?
SIPRelay: Well, I really can't comment beyond your opinion.
slinkerwink: she might as well become lieberman
slinkerwink: Of course you can't. What's your name?
SIPRelay: If you fill it was an attack on your faith, and we do apologize for that, because it wasn't meant to be like that
SIPRelay: . These comments were made by Reverend Wright. He is known to make comments like this quite often.
slinkerwink: It's how people in the United Church of Christ are taking it.
SIPRelay: We are stating the facts.
slinkerwink: They are taking it as an attack on their faith.
slinkerwink: THe facts you cite are based on a grossly misedited sound bite pushed by fox news.
slinkerwink: I'm glad you spoke to me.
SIPRelay: Well I can't comment on anything beyond that.
slinkerwink: I know the truth now and I will publish this relay conversation and share it with my friends in Pittsburgh. thank you for showing your true colors. You are no democrats.
brapolitics: end call operator
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March 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also none of this addresses what Marshall pointed out on the front page of TPM about her saying she was the first high-profile American to go in to Bosnia. Apparently the UN Ambassador, Secretary of Defense and her hubby the President weren't "high profile."
March 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Human? What about the robots that are calling delegates and asking them to switch to her in Denver?
March 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Hillary, since you say millions of things every day and can't be expected to be accurate or even closely approximating reality in every single one of them, could you give us a rough idea of the reliability of your utterances? Maybe a percentage? I mean just how much of the millions of things you say every day should we just disregard as being absolute crap? Ten percent? Twenty? Fifty?
It's not quite as helpful as knowing exactly what things you're fabricating...oops, I mean 'misremembering'...but if we just had an idea how much of it is crap, maybe we could move this nomination process along a little more quickly. Whaddaya say?
March 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
When it's too dangerous for the President to go they send his wife and kid. Yeah right. She's just full of crap.
March 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Hillary, you finally stopped digging the hole that this story. Clap, clap, clap.
Now to get out of that hole you must apologize to my man Sinbad.
March 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary it is called a lie. You are doing it often these days.
March 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Upon further reflection;
I am not going to be too hard on Hillary Rambo Clinton for this episode of false memory recovery. It may be that she just had a "Senior moment" just like John McCain did about Iran training Al Qaeda. Neither one of them are all that young you know.
What I am really now worried about is that Hillary Rambo Clinton's Tuzla recollection will cause her to suffer from severe attacks of Imaginary Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, which would make her unable to cope with the 3.00AM ringing of her Imaginary Red Phone.
Imaginary Combat can lead to Imaginary long lasting Trauma.
Say some Imaginary Prayers for our Hillary Rambo Clinton the Heroine of Tuzla...., and I will ask Reverend Wright to do the same for her!!!
March 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow the media is never going to let this one go. this little mistake could end up severely damaging her campaign much like Al Gore's "internet" scandel. Check out how much this will hurt Hillary.
http://campaigncircus.com/video_player.php?v=8788
March 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sleep deprived? Couldn't remember reading from prepared text? Christ Jesus, this woman's mendacity is ENDLESS.
March 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
always the victim
March 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You left out female. She is always the female victim. We should vote for her based on her plumbing.
March 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
And where have all the Hillary/McCain trolls gone?? Someone needs to come on and remind us of the evils of the Rev Wright and his minions of dangerous black racists...
March 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear twirling fartknocker, I will answer your request and may i say you have a very appropriate screen name for an Obama supporter.
If you're a church goer, it's likely you feel the same way. That's why Obama's pastor disaster is not going away, especially once we hit the general election. Blue collar workers don't get it. If a pastor is up at the pulpit screaming the "n" word, as well as the "US of KKK of A," you don't sit there and take it. You get up and walk out. If your pastor also has the unmitigated gall to blame the United States for 9/11, if you're an elected official and you continue your association with that person, you are likely to be identified with those anti-American comments. What part of this is so hard to figure out?
Obama supporters don't want to accept it, but that's what average Americans feels. Many just don't get why Barack Obama sat there and listened to the anti-American screeds of Rev. Wright. He still hasn't satisfactorily answered this question.
March 25, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess she will have to denounce AND reject her own story now. haha…
March 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess those guys who get caught wearing Medals of Honor, that they were not awarded, can now use the Hillary: "It just proves that I am human" defense!!!!!!
March 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, now we know Hillary is human. I suggest she spends about 100 years sorting out HER problems. Then-MAYBE-we will let her work on OUR problems .
March 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, we're covered Gore, how about those hateful purple heart band-aids worn during the GOP Convention?
These guys can make someone else's lies stick to you, and diminish real patriotic efforts to make you look like an attention-grabber. Making you eat the words you volunteered to butch up or fluff up your CV is a lay-up for them.
HRC uttered this story multiple times (check americablog), and gave the Super Ds something to weigh Wright against. That was not a good move.
March 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Misspoke: Newspeak for "Lied"
March 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sinbad, I love you so fcking much it hurts me where the snipers aim. On my heart.
March 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It proves I'm human.
Wait a minute. She's citing her lie as proof she's not a monster?
March 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC supporter Joe Sestak (sp?) was just on Hardball trying to defend Hillary. He was making my ears hurt with all the bullshit that he was spewing to try to spin this. Lots of subject changing 'What's important is what she learned in Bosnia' or 'All politicians misspeak'.
On the plus side - for a change -Matthews was having none of it and all but called HRC a liar. *giggle*.
He is about to nail her on NAFTA now.
On a side note, I noticed a change in Chris Matthews today. He seemed really pissed about the war and Bush/Cheney this morning. Since then he has been all business about sifting through the HRC/McCain crap.
Not sure how long this will last and I am sure it only a matter of time before something gets tossed at the tv but I will take it for now.
March 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"...which for some is a revelation." See. She has a sense of humor.
As for the tax returns, last week she made clear that they would be out AT LEAST three days before the Pa. primaries. Earlier during some of the debates she said that they would be released by April 15th. The Obama camp is trying very hard to say that she is dragging her feet and has something to hide. So now she's hinting that the returns may be out next week. And of course Obama is going to slam her as much as he can until she releases them, and will examine them with a fine tooth comb in hopes of finding something damaging. And yet people stand up and scream when Hillary dares to comment on a major campaign controversy like the Jeremiah Wright flap. It all sounds to me like exactly what we should expect from a long campaign that is this close.
March 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"it's because she says "millions of words every week."
Actually, she said she says a million words A DAY. That in itself is also a lie. Assuming she talks 10 hours a day, non-stop, to speak a million words she'd need to utter about 28 words per second. So she lies to explain her lies. Cool! I guess we can expect her to say she simply misspoke when she said that, too.
March 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It proves I'm human."
Damn it - there goes my spore theory about her.
March 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The real revelation is not that she's a human, it's that she's a Republican.
March 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is not a liar, it is just impossible for her to tell the truth.
March 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
She had a different memory?
Now, I know I would remember whether I was running for cover from sniper fire or greeting a little girl with a poem.
Have you folks at TPM switched to Obama yet?
March 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
To err is human to lie is to be a liar. Does anyone believed that she would bring her daughter into that type of situation? Anyone noticed how she gleefully recounted that story.
March 25, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope members of the media realize Hillary is directly challenging all of yo to prove why she isn't lying.
Let's review. She brought it up on Feb 29th. From prepared text. Sinbad was asked about the trip March 10th. He mentions the joke with the wife, daughter, guitar player and comedian. Hillary speaks about it at least twice on March 17th from prepared text...as if correcting Sinbad's retelling. Then, last night, Shary Alexander of CBS rebroadcast her piece.
Hillary is betting no one will call her out on this. The public is sure no one will.
Hillary Lied On Bosnia and is trying to WAG THE WRIGHT like Bill and a now famous movie.
March 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
“It proves I'm human.”
Damn it - there goes my spore theory about her.
Her claiming she is human makes me want to switch species.
March 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well first, most humans don't tell whoppers and the most unbelievable lies. That's not "human" or normal, that borders on psychotic. Second, it is just part of a continuous pattern. I still wouldn't one off this one based on the pattern of lies and deceit. However, if a normal person embellished a little, not dodging gunfire for God's sake, I would be willing to give a pass. Not on this whopper. I can't imagine a normal person "misremembering" dodging gunfire and feeling that their life was on the line, especially with her daughter along. That would have been in the headlines in 96. Maybe she should fess up that she was "embellishing" or something. I don't think this cuts it. Sorry clinton.
March 25, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am afraid SNL needs to change actors portraying HRC. Amy Poehler does a fine job but to truly have all the character attributes they need to bring back John Lovitz "Pathological Liar" character. Yeah – I dogged sniper fire – that’s the ticket. I ran with my head down – that’s the ticket.
March 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me and my wife, Morgan Fairchild, yeah.....that's the ticket.
March 25, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I for one can say that it was most certainly a revelation. Unless she's just misspeaking again.
March 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vile creature this monster.
March 25, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope. She delivered that speech exactly as she intended. Her explanation of her lie is itself a lie.
March 25, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so tired of politicians who think we're stupid.
March 25, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop and consider what has been revealed about Hillary through her Bosnia Sniper story. She told a very vivid detailed story of how she ran through a sniper gauntlet. She even disputed Sinbad's version, which has since been proven to be true.
Hillary now says that she misspoke or got confused, or got it mixed up with some other sniper experience that she never endured either.
It now comes down to only one of two options: Either Hillary is lying or she is delusional.
If you give her the benefit of the doubt, then you have to conclude that she actually believed that the event actually happened as she described it.
We now know that it did not, so there is a reasonable chance that Hillary may actually not have a very firm grip on reality. In other words, she may be delusional.
Do you really want someone like that answering the Red Phone, and responding from a memory bank of false recollections, that she is convinced actually happened.
We are talking about the Commander in Chief position here folks, with all the awesome powers of War and Peace that position controls.
What if Hillary does not really have a firm grasp on reality. Her Bosnia Fairy Tale could lead reasonable people to conclude that might just be the case.
March 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's Bosnia Fairy Tale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pef5AUt-tic&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/25/hillary-and-bosnia/
March 25, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like that video. Too bad she has to take so much grief about doing a good thing.
March 25, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
she's Hillary Clinton, Billy Glad... her critics will never give her credit for anything. what has really shocked me is all these dems who support obama who have decided to bash Hillary like the republicans loved to do in the 1990's. a lifetime of service being ridiculed... by democrats... really makes me kinda sad.
March 25, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
For somebody who chooses an interview with Richard Mellon Scaife, who 12 years ago was accusing her of complicity in the murder of Vince Foster, to end her 3 week silence on Jeremiah Wirght to launch an attack on Obama whose dual purpose was to stoke the Wright controversy a little more, and to get her major gaffe on the calculated embellishment of her Bosnia trip off the front page, she and her campaign, and her supporters, are hardly in a position to accuse her left wing critics of using GOP talking points to attack her. 3 months ago, this campaign was about a wealth of riches we democrats had, deciding between these two wonderful people. Then something happened to turn it into a deeply negative campaign that has Clinton supporters calling Obama unelectable and Obama supporters calling Clinton unelectable -- and that something was Hillary, in concert with Bill Clinton, Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson, deciding to do a Tonya Harding on Obama while conceding McCain's fitness to serve as President. A traitorous act, and one that richly deserves the enmity of democrats everywhere. She is unelectable, but even worse, she no longer deserves to be elected. Oh, I'll vote for her if this scorched earth strategy wins, but I seriously doubt my two duaghters will, and I seriously doubt she will get 80% african american support and, you know what, for once I wouldn't blame either of them for flipping her the bird, just like she is now to the entire democratic party. It literally makes me want to puke.
March 26, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
this is hardball politics, MT... unfortunately, not many presidents are elected unless they play hardball. i'm not saying that i like it, but if obama gets the nomination, then he's going to face a lot more than what is coming at him right now...
Hillary's saying that wright would never be her pastor. now that's a hard shot?! come on...
i find it almost comical (sad, but comical) that obama supporters like yourself don't seem to hear any of the hits on Hillary coming out of the obama campaign. where do you think you get most of your ammunition from to trash Hillary? not those high road guys axelrod and plouffe, right? or obama's foreign policy advisor, greg craig (i saw him on CNN yesterday with wolfie doing a hit job on Hillary and refusing to admit that obama has ever misspoken on the campaign trail -- even when wolfie gave him several examples.)
i'm not saying that i like the ugly stuff in campaigns, but sometimes i feel like we dems are a little too P.C. for our own good. you know that the republicans are going to play gutter politics in the Fall. do we want another GWB because the dem nominee is above the fray?
March 26, 2008 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/republican-jewish-group-wants-obama-adviser-removed-2008-03-25.html
Looks like another big mouth about to bite the dust.
March 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridiculous. Nobody had a problem with McPeak when he was with John Kerry's campaign in 2004.
Hillary is running the most destructive campaign that I've ever witnessed a Democrat run in my entire life. They're doing their best to simply destroy anything they perceive as opposition at this point. They lost Richardson, and now Carville is more than happy to "define" him as some kind of traitor. A former General criticizes Bill Clinton for implying that Obama isn't patriotic, now a Republican Jewish group materializes and claims he's anti-Semitic.
I honestly don't see why Hillary still has defenders left around here. Every time I think she's hit rock bottem, she pulls out her pickax.
March 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
not only does hillary have defenders around here, she has millions of supporters around the country... as of now, i'd say she has within 1 pct of the number of defenders that obama has... worse than that, hello world, you'll be needing all of us Hillary low-information imbeciles to elect mr. perfect, uh, i mean, well, you know who i mean... so you guys would be better off not antagonizing us... we've got our own gripes in this campaign, or can't you see that?
March 26, 2008 7:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
So she had memories of willingly exposing her daughter to sniper fire?
Even if we accept the preposterous assertion that she honestly remembered it that way, then that means she has no compunction about exposing her daughter to sniper fire.
Sorry, I don't know too many human mothers who are so cavalier about their daughters life.
March 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
She said she was sleep deprived? I really don't want her answering the phone at 3:00 am now.
CBS News has a good story here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/main3967223.shtml
March 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It now comes down to only one of two options: Either Obama is lying or he is delusional.
Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: “I meant the whole civil rights movement.”
Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter. ... ..
White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists "won't work in my White House" after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions. ... ..
Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never become law as Obama seemed to suggest.
Immigration is a case in point for Obama, but not the only one. In 2007, after the first comprehensive immigration bill had died, the senators were back at it, and again, Obama was notably absent, staffers and senators said. At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill's employment verification system. Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter.
"Senator Obama came in late, brought up issues that had been hashed and rehashed," Specter recalled. "He didn't stay long."
Just this week, as the financial markets were roiling in the wake of the Bear Stearns collapse, Obama made another claim that was greeted with disbelief in some corners of Capitol Hill. On March 13, Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, unveiled legislative proposals to allow the Federal Housing Administration to guarantee new loans from banks willing to help homeowners in or approaching foreclosure.
...and we haven't even gotten back into all the ramblings on Obama and Rezko, or to the current status of Rev. Wright, where Obama said he hadn't heard his preacher's anti-American screeds, before he had to admit he had. As they say in blogworld... this one is still developing. However, unlike the other stories that the press shrugs off, Rev. Wright seems to be sticking. Something about it goes deeper than policies and politics, and Obama's team senses it, too.
March 25, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Copy and paste is your best friend, as long as you're trying to avoid issues. I'm sure Hillary would be proud.
March 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I save all of Obama's lies to stick it in his suppoorters ears. How does it feel hello_world?
Lastquarter? That is 7 lies I listed and the Clinton bashing media gave your lover a pass on all of them.
March 25, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes copy and paste actually make sure you are quoting correctly and not making things up like-
I was dismayed at what I found when I read Obama's book "Dreams from My Father". Composite characters. Changed names. And reams of dialogue between Obama and other people that moves the narrative along but is an "approximation" of the actual conversation. Except for public figures and his family, it is impossible to know who is real and who is not. ... ..
Clearly Obama is very good at making things up as he goes along.
March 25, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her remarks reminded me of Chaney's snarky "SO?" & also most everyone in the white House.
March 25, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that DemBillC, or Dembecile? Tonya Harding strikes again.
Bottom line: This was not a slip of the tongue, or a minor exaggeration. This was prepared text on the subject of her experience, meant to underscore how important that PR event really was, a "big fish" lie that rips the heart out of her latest "main argument" in favor of her candidacy for the presidency, which was her supposed experience. She looks like a fool for starters, and her embellishments and repetitions prove a level of premeditation that makes it more than foolish and more like a really bad strategic judgment -- once again -- which is tantamount to political suicide. No wonder she tried to change the subject to wright today.
She's toast. Watch her poll numbers spiral down from here.
March 25, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
dembillc: Unless Obama said he was taking sniper shots while he was working on the Immigration Bill, it really isn't the same is it? There's a difference between a mild exaggeration on your resume and a large-scale, crazy-a** whopper. Her lie disrespects the soldiers who really do put their life in danger. Also, Kennedy endorsed Obama and in doing so mentioned Obama's input on the Immigration Bill was one of the things that had impressed him.
March 26, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe they should call in all the respected American pastors (again), including Rev. Wright (again), and apologize for brazen-face lying to the American people (again) and ask for forgiveness (again).
March 26, 2008 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just me or is anyone having a flashback to Potemkin Bush's Top Gun Mission Accomplished Moment? She is embellishing in her own mind her "heroic" exploits - this is serious delusional thinking. Perhaps this is why she still thinks she can clinch the nomination.
March 26, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lying sacks of shit are not human.
March 26, 2008 7:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
people who post vile comments like yours, Richard L. Adlof, are no better than the wingnuts over on the right. way to act like a foul-mouthed child! congrats...
March 26, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
So - she misremembered. Big deal. So? - she sounds like Cheney - think she might govern like Cheney too?
March 26, 2008 8:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lord Maginnis, who was head of the Good Friday Peace Accord in Ireland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7310000/newsid_7313500/7313536.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&bbcws=1
March 26, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand what your problem with Dreams of My Father is. My son was required to read it in his literature class, and I read it also. Sure he uses composite characters and the conversations are not all word for word. I don't know of any biographical work that doesn't do the exact same thing. Is there anything in the book that is substantially untruthful?
Amazingly enough,for all the hype about Obama, there isn't really anyone from his past that has disputed any of the information in the book.
I think that Hillary probably over exaggerated her experience in Bosnia, but I certainly don't think it was a lie. I don't think any of the examples show Obama lying either, some might be considered an exaggeration as well. (I have no idea what you were talking about in the financial example, with Dodd submitting a bill) You seem to see a HUGE discrepancy in the honesty of Hillary vs Obama, to the point where you see everything Obama says as a lie. I don't think that is accurate and it probably isn't very healthy either.
March 26, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ken,
Why defend this lying loser that you have chosen as your candidate. She has already lost, but you are too stubborn to realize it. you should do yourself a favor, and vote for the republican ticket for a change instead of the namby pamby democraps. I hope you guys infight all the way to the convention, and continue torpedoing yourselves. Har har har
April 11, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's a lying liar, I'm not connected to the media, and neither are the hundreds of thousands of others that know that lady pinocchio will tell a lie faster than her husband, Sir Pinocchio. Geez ken are you stoned, or just plain stupid enough to believe this load of crap that falls from the Clinton's mouths. I hope you are just stoned, I would hate to think you are that stupid man. Be a man, and drop the dead weight before you waste your vote.
April 11, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink