God she's relentless. They're scheduling another call now to discuss this. I know negative campaigning worked for her, but she's going nuts.

I think the "subtext" is a bit much, but I suppose I shouldn't put anything past Hillary.

On the other hand, it's totally hypocritical, since she is just as implicated in NAFTA-Gate as he is.

Hill... you're hurting me here. You're like a kitchen sink warehouse. What gives?

Clinton's campaign announced that it had formed a state steering committee that includes several well-known Wyoming Democrats. Most prominent is Mike Sullivan, Wyoming governor from 1987 to 1995 and U.S. ambassador to Ireland from 1999 to 2001.

"Hillary is committed to solving the problems facing so many in Wyoming, from a health care plan that covers everyone to a plan creating greater opportunity in rural America," Sullivan said in a release from the Clinton campaign.

"I know Hillary to be someone who seeks solutions that create change, and we will be working hard to spread her message here in Wyoming."

The steering committee also includes former Wyoming Secretary of State Kathy Karpan and state Sen. Rae Lynn Job, D-Rock Springs.

And in mississippi insider advantage poll has the race tight.... obama: 46%... clinton 40%

She just opened herself up to attack NAFTAgate-gate. If they don't hit her hard, and not just in a effing conference call, on her vast hypocricy on this topic, I'm asking for my money back.

I'm absolutely disgusted. Of course, I am an Obama supporter.

However, I abhor that political leaders actually think this sort of tripe really matters. This is simplistic garbage (these attacks), and have only made me HATE her as a politician.

You see, I have always said that I would vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter what. However, I think I would rather lose than 'play the game' like a Republican. If she were to win the nomination, Hillary would have to earn my vote. McCain would never get my vote, but Hillary would definitely have to earn it, no doubt.

Who gives a damn if my vote is "thrown away?" Screw divisiveness, screw identity politics, and screw the baby boomers.

I understand why voter turnout is always around 50% during General Elections. Why would anyone want to be associated with such bile.

Pretty pissed, eh? Well, I'm saying it so an Obama advisor doesn't have to.

Didn't one of Clinton's generals say that Clinton would never withdraw from Iraq?

Obama is getting creamed in the media. Destroyed.

Clinton is just spewing non-stop and its working.

OK, here's the chance to tie this NAFTA thing around her neck and push her overboard. Her campaign called the Canadians, not Obama's...

I promise, no cuss words or misogynist personal insults.

But, otherwise, gloves are friggin' OFF.

Did she really want to redirect this back to the Nafta-gate issue? Especially after the story has been corrected?

Hillary's has given blanket immmunity to the Canadiens to reveal anyone from her camp talking to them.

Yer here at TPM facts are just secondary to the Clinton Rules. Just like Josh Marshall spreading this nonsense about Hillary asked MSNBC to fire Schuster. But yet, I hear this at my water cooler.

Hey Greg - How about covering some of her other comments. Like when the press calls shenanigans based on her campaign's earlier refusal to take quick action against Shaheen and Bob Johnson.

Or her lame effort to spin the "Ken Starr" dig as a "historical reference rather than an ad hominem attack.

Q. How is being called a monster any different than Obama camp being called ken starr?

HRC: You know, I am, you know, very focused on this campaign and you’ve made the comparison between those two…

Q. You’re spokesman made that comparison.

HRC: I think one is an ad hominem attack and one is a historical reference.

Sorry about the triple post. Not sure what happened there.

The press these days reminds me of the run-up to the Iraq War. They don't report the facts, ie, the latest on NAFTAgate or the comparison of the way the campaigns work (F*** you, etc. vs. Monster)

When the story broke against Obama, it was front page. When we find out that it's a lie, "Obama didn't handle that very well."

We're considered psychotic if we don't "like" Hillary, and we're groupies if we like Obama.

Is it in the vested interest of the press to keep things the way they are?

Is proving that you can sling mud as well as the next guy really a great test for a president?

Well, let's see, fur'ners....Canada and Scotland. Doesn't compare to Dubai and K***stan.

We should trust the word of woman who lambast her opponent as unqualified, say anything, empty suit, that she would love to be on the same ticket with in the fall? Does anyone find this odd?

Hello, Obama campaign, she's toss this bad boy over the plate . . . please knock it the hell out of the park!

She is destroying her entire political career. She can't win this nomination, so she has decided to end in one glorious explosion, and that will be that.

For the MSM, the facts don't matter. It's all about perception.

You can't affect what the MSM does. You can't affect what the Clinton's do.

Howard Wolfson and the whole Clinton gang can't sell propaganda if voters don't want to buy it.

Obama has his own bullypulpit--20,000 people gather just to see
him speak.

He should stop addressing the Clintons and the press and get back to addressing voters. He can respond to every allegation one by one, but he has to present this as "Who are you going to believe?" "There are those who want to drive a steamroller over the democratic process. And drive a steamroller over me. But I stand strong and resolute and every bit as passionate as I was when I started. They want to drive a steamroller over all of you too. Will you stand? Or will you fall?

This outrage is so contriveded. I got a completely unhinged email this morning sent to all members of my local dem listerv. Get a load of what this Clinton supporter said. And they accuse Obama people of crossing a line? It is in response to someone suggesting writing to superdelegates telling them to step up and stop the craziness. I believe the sender is a NY state committee member but I might be in error.

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It is telling that you did not care to stop Obama, the other candidates and the media from Attacking Clinton! She has suffered an onslaught of sexists abuse. Obama has been given a pass. Who couldn't win when the media gushes all over them and fails to scrutinize their words?
Obama, himself, has been lying about her Health care plan, her position on Nafta and more. Since none of Obama's supporters see fit to complain when he is negative and attacking her, it is obviously not about being negative, this is more nobody can critisize Obama!

She has many generals supporting her. She is ready to go up against McCain. He is not! That is her point. That is the point! Electibility! I think it is a very valid point to make. If he can't respond to this now, how will he respond to this against McCain?

He accused her of "whining" when she protested against his unfair representation of her health care plan (that was feeding into the Republican campaign), her position on NAFTA and others. Frankly, I am tired of his campaign's "whining" everytime he faces an attack. I think we should know Obama's real position's on issues (i.e. NAFTA, campaign financing). Because he has a lack of voting record and actually passing any legislation to effect change we have to go on his word, which may not mean much (if his converstaion with the Canadians is typical). It is also important to note that while he doesn't take money from lobbyists, he takes goo-gobs of money from the groups/people who hire the lobbyists. He is still as "beholden" as if he had taken it from a lobbyist. He is parsing. For all his talk about a new style of politics- there are many reports of cheating-and bullying by Obama supporters at the Texas Convention. One report came from a family member of a friend.
He should be scrutinized before he is the Democratic Candidate.
I and many women, who are concerned that sexism (which has allowed the assault of Hillary, while propelling a totally unprepared unknown ahead of her) is deciding this race, will also be sending messages to the super delegates.
Lori

McCAIN-CLINTON 2008!!!

Josh Marshall:

"You need to look at the larger picture the engagement is telling people. And right now this one's saying that Obama won't fight back, that he's easy to fluster, that he's weak."

No, Josh YOU are the one telling people that.

In a sane world, you media types wouldn't get so hot and bothered over baseless attacks, and instead report the real news: that a candidate for President is taking the high road and not lying about his opponent's every utterance, even if it costs him a few percentage points in the polls.

Principle in a politician. I know it's so new to you that you may have a hard time gettign your head around it. But maybe try reporting that sometime, instead of the latest flailing, desperate distortions from a campaign whose only hope of success is by exploiting the dysfunction of the media.

I'm more concerned about that poll in the upper right-hand corner that has Obama ahead in Mississippi by only 6 points!

WTF?

Here is my full "NAFTA-gate" hillpocrisy tribute:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28132958

She can keep yammering away and spew the most vile things as much as she wants, I guess.

As I see it, she will eventually kill herself with her own words.

Again, don't address the specific charges, per se, but mock her as someone saying any and everything hoping that something sticks. One day he's not qualified to be president. The next she's hinting at being on the same ticket it with him.

It's not that hard and I'm surprised that it hasn't happened yet. Maybe Obama is waiting to do when he has the stage all to his self....

By the way, what were the results of the Texas caucus?

Self parody is the word. Applies to Hillary but also to her Hillarybots who say men don't get it, we think it's unfair for a woman to say negative things about Barack.

No, we don't think it's unfair, we think it's stupid, it is directly assisting the Republicans. Instead of hysterically ranting on about Barack's mean people and his traitorous communications with foreign govts., Hillary should be explaining how this asshole incumbent GOP president and his puppet McSame are going to continue another four years of endless war, endless deficits, deep job losses, horrendous home foreclosures, disintegrating roads & bridges, and collapsing health care systems.

I think we can explain Hillary's descent into self-parody by the the polls that slam her in the face on the eve of most primaries and her guilty knowledge that there is no way she wins on elected delegates.

Speaking of which, where are the Wyoming poll numbers? Meanwhile, I will try to click through to the ARG and InsiderAdvantage polls in MS to try to understand their contradictory results.

I noticed Hillary hasn't been itching for any more debates. Apparently she realized she's better off launching bug-eyed rants and hoping the ensuing media frenzy drowns out Obama rather than having a debate where he can immediately respond.

Way to tell it like it is!
Home Run for Hillary.

I am so SICK of reading that Hillary has AGAIN hinted at having Obama on her ticket. SHE IS THE LOSER. SHE HAS LESS PLEDGED DELEGATES. Besides, Obama is a black Kenneth Starr, right?

I CALL ON ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS TO JOIN ME IN A PAC RIGHT NOW TO RAISE MONEY AGAINST THOSE SUPERDELEGATES WHO VOTE AGAINST THEIR DISTRICTS BY VOTING AGAINST OBAMA. SHE CAN HAVE TED KENNEDY. PLEASE JOIN ME. (Mostly, because I’m poor and can’t do this alone.)

For Mississippi: the ARG poll has a sample size of 600, so it's margin of error (MOE) is + or - 4; the InsiderAdvantage has only 412 in the sample and doesn't report its MOE, which would be larger than plus-or-minus four. There are some whopping huge internal splits for Obama in both polls, but the MOE would be much larger because those internal splits have much smaller sample sizes.

Noteworthy, I think: ARG shows Obama winning Democrats by 66 to 31, better than 2 to 1! While Clinton wins Independents by only 40 to 30.

InsiderAdvantage says Obama wins by overall 46 to 40, because it found 14 percent undecided, nearly five times the number of undecideds as ARG; Obama wins women by 50 to 35 (really!) while Clinton wins men by only 46 to 41. She wins 72% of the white voters while he wins 67% of the black voters and one hundred percent of Hispanic voters. She wins the GOP voters by 68 to 29 while he wins the Dem voters by only 51 to 34 with (again) 14 percent undecided.

There is a major disconnect between the undecideds in the two polls, therefore a major disconnect in how they allocate the Dem voters. ARG says only one percent of Dems are undecided while InsiderAdvantage says 14 percent of Dems are undecided. One of them is teh stoopid. We shall see Tuesday.

But none of it is good for Hillary in terms of electability in southern states.

Can somebody please tell me what the Obama camp thinks it is doing. This is pathetic.

Watching a clinton meltdown.
Ain't it fun?

Here is how it works: Each outrageous piece of BS out of her mouth paves the road ahead of her. That means the next outrageous piece of BS must be madder and meaner to draw blood.

Or mixing metaphors by the pound:

Two things are going to happen: Either everyone is going to get sick of the hag's mouth and she dies, or given enough barbwire she will hang herself and die.

It is dealer's choice here.
Barack is dealing.

Have patience.

Obama is still getting slapped all over the ring, and his attempts at return punches are mostly in the air. Notice how even though there's been an expose of Clinton's having done the very thing she accused Obama of doing vis-a-vis the Canadians and NAFTA, it simply doesn't matter anymoreSnore. Suddenly Obama's as sticky as a fly strip on a hot summer day, and the Clintons have left the door wide open. What will it be next? That Obama is amorous for little boys? Why not? It'll get an instant loud buzz, and by the time it's shown to be utterly bogus the next shit-bloated bug will have hit the strip, and we'll be whipped into a fresh news-cycle. At this rate Obama will be political dead meat long before Pennsylvania rolls around. And trust me, if this is allowed to continue, the delegate-count will have nothing to do with his fortunes. The super delegates will simply walk away shaking their heads, glad to have narrowly averted a colossal disaster in November.

My God, I'm about to faint! A glass of water, someone!

new thread upstairs, but not open for comment yet

If Obama recovers well in WY and MS, maybe the superdelegate floodgates open. He would then definitely have that "clear lead" Richardson talked about.

Here's how I understand the Clinton rules, as parrotted back by the spineless MSM:

1) Attack Obama ferociously.
2) If he acts like an asshole about it, it's proof that he's a mysoginist.
3) If he doesn't act like an asshole about it, it's proof that he's a weakling who "can't fight back."
4) Feign innocence.
5) Repeat.

new thread open upstairs

I know.
Now she wants him as VP. I guess he crossed the CiC treshold between yesterday and today.

So, here's a question: why does Obama respond to Hillary's statements and media manipulations as though they are valid, as though they're actually substantive political discourse?

Why doesn't he just re-hire Powers (or reject her resignation) and point out how factually impoverished and self serving Hillary's recent attack tactics are? Why not point out how badly her turn from substantive discourse to fear mongering Rove-isms is maiming the party?

Am I naive to think he could gain traction this way?

You should be careful when you go out in the rain. You could drown with your nose up in the air like that.

taz=tax missed the button

It is obvious to anyone that Hillary cannot win the presidency, but the American people's disgust with the Republicans could win her the presidency.

As Hillary plagiarizes Karl Rove's playbook, it looks as if the only Democrat in the race is Barack Obama. Face it, if Barack was a woman, with an popular ex-president as spouse, this race would be long over. Hillary Clinton is Joe Lieberman without the resume. She is Zell Miller in a pants suit.

Reading these comments from Obama supporters, I have to ask myself how many of you have actually followed a presidential race before?

You can get mad at Clinton all you want, but this is how political campaigns are run. This is exactly what McCain is going to do, except he will be even less forgiving.

This is why Obama's campaign is going to fall apart, either now or in the general: If Obama fights back and goes after his opponents, his neophyte supporters who are naive about politics are going to abandon him, saying he's just another politician. If he doesn't fight back, his supporters with any political experience are going to get disillusioned and say he doesn't have the stomach to fight the fights he needs to.

Say what you will about Hillary, but her support is real, and it's not going anywhere. This makes her a much more dependable general election candidate.

Haven't we learned anything in the last 7 years someone asked? I do hope so. For one thing, I hope that we've learned NOT to elect people who think they can re-word reality so glibly:

Does this sound like George Bush or does this sound like George Bush?

>>Speaking to radio station WJZD-FM in Gulfport, Miss., the former first lady said the comments she made about the state in the run up to the Iowa caucuses "were not exactly what I said," even though they came directly from an interview she gave to the Des Moines Register in October.

Samantha Power has dedicated her life to fighting genocide

She is on the side of right - exactly the type of person you wish would be in government

She was an unpaid advisor to the campaign and took a leave of absence from teaching at Harvard

She is 38 years old, has already won a pulitzer prize and was in Europe promoting her brilliant new book on the UN diplomat who was killed in Bagdad a few years ago
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Now why would we think we deserve someone like that in out government when we could have say --
Howard Wolfson? Mark Penn? Terry McAuliffe? and so many others
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brought to you by the nation who re-electing George W Bush in 2004

hope dims--

Here's what I'm thinking: This can't go on forever. She's attacking him, at what, an hourly rate here. Even, though I'd love to see Obama do something -- anything -- I think he's waiting for MS and WI to roll out. If he makes some wins, he'll be in a better position to start fighting again. Right now, he's concentrating on actually campaigning, instead of making sound sites. We have another 6 weeks until PA. 6 weeks! Hillary can't keep this up for that long. This is a marathon now and I think Obama gets that. She's pulling all of this out front right now and hitting him with all of the ammunition that she has. Eventually, something will happen and the media will turn again.

Well. I hope anyway.

Obama needs to drop out and admit he lied to us all. That will start the healing process.

I have finally had it with Obama. I not only will I not vote for him, I will actively campaign against him. I am saying this as someone who would have been happy to vote for him at the begining of this campaign. Now I understand why Nader got into the race - if Obama is the nominee Nader might just have a chance of winning. I for one will actively campaign for him and I have had a whole lot of practice campaigning lately. I will do anything I can to stop Obama from getting in the whitehouse.

Hat tip WisconsinJessica

Obama is destroying his entire political career. He can't win this nomination, so he has decided to end in one glorious explosion, and that will be that.

H/tip Hoost

PS: Obama will not be gone soon enough for me .

Is anyone else sick to death of Obama and his cult? I cannot believfe what they are doing. The mere thought of having this pair in the White House and the healines is cause for alarm.

H/tip party-of-one

For those who still don't get it - the "Clinton called too" assertion is false and the Canadian Govt. has said the Clinton camp did NOT get in touch with anyone in the Canadian Govt, Embassy or elsewhere. So let's get over adding her name in this anywhere other than complaining the Obama camp took 4 days to after denying any contact whatsoever to own up to something.

I am so fed up with Hillary despite the fact that I have supported her right to stay in the race. I even think that any candidate in her position should stay in the race at this point.

However, it seems clear at this point that Barack will be the Democratic nominee. Hillary's chances are slim & none. By going negative, she is selfishly pouring all of her resources into an ego-massaging effort to destroy the likely nominee of her party.

I'm disgusted with her & would not voter for her under any circumstances.

Hillary has been running around endorsing John McCain. He has said that he is going to have the same foreign and domestic policies as George W. Bush. Yet Hillary has endorsed him, over Senator Obama. That makes Hillary just another traitor to the party. She is just the same as Joe Lieberman, and should be given the same treatment. She should be driven out of the party. She is not a loyal Democrat, any more than Joe Lieberman was.

cambridge1246...

please. either pay attention to the election or go and masturbate on an exclusively-hillary-related website. hillary herself has consistently injected gender and race into the campaign. hillary is the only candidate that has repeatedly spoken about this race being historic for the identities of the candidates. hillary has also said on talk shows that she is excited to be the first serious female candidate for president.

bill clinton dismissed obama's victory in south carolina by comparing him to jesse jackson. i understand that it takes some kind of lunacy and ability to separate truth from fantasy in order to support hillary in the first place, but please try to understand.

bill clinton tore the democratic party apart when he was president. the democrats lost the mid-term election in '94 and were not heard from again until 2006. hillary is attempting to destroy the democratic party again, this time as punishment for not choosing her. it's fairly simple.

you lost. we win. go the fuck back to new york and run for your senate seat again. i have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of new york democrats that have a real bad taste in their mouths after seeing hillary w. clinton's campaign.