Hillary: McCain Has Crossed "Commander In Chief Threshold"
Surrounded by retired military leaders at an event today, Hillary continued with her strategy of spotlighting McCain's national security credentials as a way to argue that she's the Dem who can beat him in November:
“I think that since we now know Sen. McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.
Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold."
The other day, Hillary sparked a bunch of criticism by arguing that she and McCain would put forth a "lifetime of experience." People pointed out that this was tailor made for political ads against Obama in a general election.
But this seems to go farther -- here she's arguing that he's crossed the threshold to be president in a category that she says is crucial in our next leader.
Hillary supporters privately defend this sort of thing by pointing out that she's never explicitly said that Obama wouldn't be an able commander-in-chief, though this seems to sidle up to that.
Either way, if your strategy is to highlight McCain's commander-in-chief credentials in order to suggest that they should make Dems nervous about Obama's chances against him, then you have to, you know, highlight McCain's commander-in-chief credentials.
But pumping up McCain to this extent risks provoking a backlash from rank-and-file Dems. The question I have is whether Obama will be able to capitalize on this, perhaps by using it to further his efforts to tie Hillary to McCain and to present himself as the only real candidate capable of drawing a clear contrast with him.

Comments (234)
At this pace, her VP choice will be Zell Miller.
March 6, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why doesn't she just ask George W. Bush to stay on for a third term?
March 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Hillary supporter, I don't think it's the best way to go about things, but equally I think you're over-reacting for a few reasons:
1) Its patently obvious to everyone that McCain has the credentials to be Commander in Chief. The vast majority of people already know this to be the case, and if national security was their only concern, they wouldn't hesitate to vote for him.
2) She isn't endorsing him at all, and all those who say she's acting like a republican need their heads examined. She's sayng that when it comes to leading the armed forces, he has the experience. When it comes to leading the country, hwoever, they disagree on pretty much every issue going forward. What she's doing is setting up the argument that McCain is strong on security, as is she, so lets now talk about every other issue where he's wrong, and the Democrats are right (foreign policy, health care).
3) People here seem to think that if it wasn't for hillary, the republicans wouldn't have realized that he is very weak on security, especially contrasted against mccain. Wake up!
4) I love the hypocrisy here from the Obama supporters. All this talk of unity and bipartisanship really is just that - talk. There's nothing wrong with hillary recognising a widely acknowledged fact: McCain has excellent military experience, and that isn't changed by the fact that he's a republican. In fact it's smart - she's showing that she can see the good in people, so it will add a lot of credence to her when she's laying into him in the many, many areas where he's weak.
5) Just to re-iterate, she is NOT endorsing him for president, and there's no way she will if she loses the nomination. on almost every policy issue, her and obama are more or less agreed. She's making the point that he is *qualified* to do the job, and if obama is viewed lacking, he's going to have a helluvalot of trouble in the election.
March 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand how any democrat can say McCain is ready to be commander in chief. Um, lets see, bomb iran, 100 years in iraq, voted with Clinton for the original invasion...and that's just a start. Are these the qualities you look for in a commander in chief? Please.
Hillary is destroying unity....within the Democratic party. This isn't some olive branch to the republicans, acknowledging her competitor's qualities. This is an attempted hatchet job on her own party's front runner.
Wake up and smell what she's shoveling.....on OUR PARTY!!!
March 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
she's writing her own death warrant as a candidate. sure, this may work and take Obama down. it is possible that she will succeed in that. but by her own argument, she then immediately loses to McCain. her experience argument is self-defeating against a more experienced politician. John McCain can stand there and absorb her praise, and then simply turn around and say "I think people know I've crossed that threshold, but what have you done, ever, that crosses it?" and she has no answer to that question! she is a massive lightweight compared to him, and her 'experience' argument is already tenuous and paper-thin to begin with. she will have no choice but to radically alter the course of her campaign, come up with an entirely new stated purpose for running when 'experience' has been her argument all along. she'll be labeled as even more of a flip-flopper than Kerry, McCain will have no compunction about allowing pro-Repug 527 groups to air commercials featuring the 'blue dress' and re-enactments from Karl Bernstein's book about her, which Obama is too classy to stoop to. how can people not see that McCain is going to wipe the floor with her face?
March 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe that's why she's made it a threshold argument. Your life experience has to get you over a certain threshold -- then you talk about what you would do as CIC and other issues.
March 7, 2008 7:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
"if national security was their only concern, they wouldn't hesitate to vote for him."
You must be joking. National security is my main concern and that's why I'm voting for Obama.
It pisses me off to see supposed Democrats buying into this BS about the Republicans being stronger on national security. What the BLEEP has John McCain and the Republicans who are supposedly tough on national security actually done for our security? 9-11 happened on their watch and then they went and invaded a country that had nothing to do with it while letting the man responsible for 9-11 get away scot free. And then McCain and the Republicans object when someone like Obama talks about killing Bin Laden if we have intelligence that he's in Pakistan. Only a complete idiot would think that the Republicans are stronger on national security once they saw these facts.
March 6, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Its patently obvious to everyone that McCain has the credentials to be Commander in Chief. The vast majority of people already know this to be the case, and if national security was their only concern, they wouldn't hesitate to vote for him."
Does Hillary's "acceptance" of McCain's perceived strength help anyone except McCain? Seriously? What happened to attacking your opponent's strength? Isn't McCain one of Senator Clinton's opponents?
But about McCain... The man who doesn't mind a presence in Iraq for a hundred years has the credentials to be Commander in Chief?
Qualifying to be CinC means more than the capacity to bang the war drums - can McCain do more than that? I haven't seen it. But then, I'm a liberal and I've never bombed anybody, so what do I know?
March 6, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't give a $%^& what is "widely acknowledged."
That stuff shouldn't be coming out of the mouth of a Democrat speaking about the likely nominee.
March 6, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure that she misspoke (a true nixonian our Hillary) because she was tired from one of her USO trips such as the one to Bosnia.
March 6, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's idiotic. Seriously. You say:
"1) Its patently obvious to everyone that McCain has the credentials to be Commander in Chief. The vast majority of people already know this to be the case, and if national security was their only concern, they wouldn't hesitate to vote for him."
Uhhh... I'm sorry, I didn't hear you on that one. I'm not sure if you've done your homework... but his record on the Senate is poor... he's basically the most "experienced" candidate at doing a whole hell of a lot of nothing. How does that translate to credential for Commander And Chief? That's ridiculous. He has about the same level of credentials as Obama or Hillary but people think being on Capital Hill longer automatically means someone "is more ready" to handle the job. This just shows people's misconceptions about our system.
March 6, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Its patently obvious to everyone that McCain has the credentials to be Commander in Chief. The vast majority of people already know this to be the case, and if national security was their only concern, they wouldn't hesitate to vote for him."
I think McCain is nuts and is psychologically, ideologically and temperamentally unfit to be Commander in Chief. I think he is quite prone to inflict more needless and tragic military adventures on the American people and on the world, and to continue the ones we have ad infinitum. You and possibly a majority of "people" may think otherwise, but I think you are making a terrible mistake. One that may make Bush look like quite a brilliant Commander in Chief by comparison. I thought the major credential for the office was good judgement, good ideas, a commitment to avoid war unless absoluteloy necessary (as in self-defense, primarily, not in pre-emption which is used by McCain, Bush, the neocons and Democratic war-hawks to justify any military undertaking they choose). Clinton has made clear her close affinity for the war-hawk position, even as she has not wholeheartedly embraced it. This would seem to me to be one of the credentials that would weigh against her fitness for the position. Talking about credentials without looking at the context seems to me to be the same or very close to looking at form without going into substance.
March 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, because this is soooo hard to generate:
way to go Hill!
March 6, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is my question. How does Hillary, if she is the nominee, draw contrast between herself and McCain? I mean really?
All the McCain Campaign has to do is roll the tape, not only on her seemly glowing endorsement of his "ready for commander in chief" status, but also all of the tactics used to throw her own party under the bus.
A Hillary nomination would be disasterous for the party and for all of the American people who have screamed out for a CHANGE. We democrats are sick and tired of this disgusting nonsense.
See how Howard Wolfson pushed this plan and threw the democratic party under the bus.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDllOTBhNmUyMWY5YWZlM2Q1ODVkMWRjNGVmMmNmNjQ=
March 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
She will end the occupation, he will stay 100 years.
March 7, 2008 7:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can we just call her Hillary Clieberman? It will be easier and no one will be disillusioned as to who she is or what she represents.
And one of my favorite comments from Obama on this arugment:
I look forward to the Sinbad endorsement!
March 6, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't question Sinbad's foreign policy experience! He and John McCain and Hillary Clinton all have a lifetime of foreign policy experience!!
It's over. Stick a fork in Hillary, she's done. She just signed her own death warrant. She's Democratic kryptonite.
March 6, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sinbad's time spent as a Pirate gives him valuable insight into maritime international law and the dangers of scurvy. this can't be overlooked, or you're a sexist.
March 6, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I keep hearing stick a fork in her, she's done. But she is some kind of "Night of the Living Dead" creature because she refuses to go peacefully.
Don't fight it Hillary...go towards the light....
March 6, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
HA HA, that is good. I will have to remember that one.
March 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
She really has no gd common sense. I can see the mccain ads in the fall already. What a f'n moron!!!!!!
I think that she may be unhinged. She is starting to believe her own lies.
March 6, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg:
Did anyone ask her what her CIC credentials were?
March 6, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am still waiting for someone in the media ask her what precisely qualifies her as having "passed the threshold".... doesn't anyone ever challenge her on this crap?
March 6, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
hehe, not until she's the nominee. once she is, she'll be flattened and soundly defeated on exactly these grounds.
March 6, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
This strategy is very troubling. It smells like an attempt at sabotage.
I have two theories: (1) she wants to sink Obama's chances in the Fall so that she can run against McCain in 2012; and/or (2) she wants to ratchet up the pressure for Obama to put her on the ticket.
It is possible she is trying to persuade superdelegates, but I doubt she thinks they will go for her.
As an argument for HRC, it seems likely to backfire. She has no foreign policy experience. In that respect, HRC and Obama are both green.
March 6, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were an undecided super delegate, I would endorse Obama the minute I heard this.
It's totally beyond the pale. I think her strategy is to try to burn down the village to save it. If she can increase Obama's negatives enough and make it seem like he can't win in November, she can be appointed the nominee by the super delegates. She conveniently ignores the fact that it's a radioactive strategy that will poison her even if she did convince them to appoint her the nominee.
Newsflash, Hillary: No one likes a spoilsport. The Democratic super delegates are above all DEMOCRATS. They are NOT going to reward you for this destructive behavior.
March 6, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear Hear!
March 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary endorses John McCain again.
That means that if she gets the nomination,
all Obama supporters should vote for John McCain.
Hillary has endorsed him, so we should listen to her.
If Hillary is the nominee, then Obama voters msut follow
Hillary logic and vote for John McCain.
March 6, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strikes me that Clinton is angling to be McCain's running mate. She is certainly not any longer running as a Democrat.
I've been one of the people around here suggesting that some of the Obama people cool their jets when attacking Clinton, but I'm ready to say now that I just won't be able to vote for her if she's nominated. She has indeed crossed a line, though it hasn't got anything to do with being ready to assume the mantle of commander-in-chief.
March 6, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee . . I missed that moment when Hillary crossed that threshold. Was that when she lead troops into battle? Was that when she walked over the threshold of the White House bedroom or was that when she crossed the threshold of decency as a Democrat when she decided to hold the Republican nominee promising to extend the disastrous Bush presidency as superior to a Democrat of remarkable talent and integrity?
March 6, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not just "an awfully risky gamble," it's stupid. In terms of traditional commander-in-chief credentials, McCain has them both beat. Why on earth would you highlight that?
Not to mention I just wish Clinton would stop poisoning the damn well. I'd prefer her to just actually take her ball and go home if she's going to pull crap like that.
March 6, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a question for her supporters: do you condone these types of attacks on a fellow Democrat? You do know if Obama wins the nomination (don't get in a tizzy...I'm saying IF), the Republicans will replay her comments (which are many) over and over and over and over again. "See, look what a fellow Democrat thinks!"
Obama has drawn contrasts with her (or as she likes to say, "opponent"). She has slashed him repeatedly, as if he's an ultra-right wing extremist.
March 6, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't say IF. She's been mathematically eliminated from winning the most pledged delegates.
The super delegates simply cannot and will not go against the will of Democratic primary voters and caucusgoers.
March 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This just underscores something that I think has gotten lost in all of this: Clinton is a terrible politician/campaigner.
March 6, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I try to be pro-Obama with huge respect for Hillary, but this borders a tad on traitor tactics.
She's really dissing Obama for McCain? :-O
I like to believe it's her peeps making stuff up most of the time, but this looks like a direct quote.
C'mon, Hillary! Please don't stoop to this level. Do you really want the presidency for yourself more than a turn-around for our country? We're dying here with this GOP administration.
March 6, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The definition of a traitor is to give aid and comfort to the enemy.
Most certainly this statement will give McCain aid in his battle against Obama as well as herself since he has better security credentials than she does and I am absolutely sure his sense of comfort about the general election has been raised knowing Hillary is attempting to take out Obama as well as herself.
For shame Hillary Clinton! You have truly crossed a threshold.
March 6, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't you guys notice? The threshold is blindly following Bush into war based on warmongering and lies that even millions of ordinary people could plainly see was bullshit.
She jumped that threshold and made it her bitch.
Supporting the war for years and going with Bush on Iran was just icing on the threshold cake.
March 6, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is how BHO de-fangs this specious argument. Besides, he may get very positive mileage if he can cast that threshold as a Bush mistake.
March 6, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it comes down to a contest between Hillary versus John McCain, in November, then it will be a choice of voting for one Rovian Republican versus another. A Case of Rove V. Rove, if you will pardon the pun.
In that case I will opt for the one that does not hide the fact that he is a Republican. At least he is not two faced liked Hillary. Since there will be no Democrat in the contest, then I will vote for the lesser of two Republican evils, and vote for McCain.
March 6, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am with you on voting for McCain, if HRC is the nominee. Only for pragmatic reasons. He is unlikely to seek a second term at 76, paving the way for a true Democratic challenger. And McCain as president would finish off HRC and the whole Clinton dynasty.
March 7, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
And yes, she is totally sabotaging her own party. At this point I don't even know if it is ridiculous to think maybe she'd try some unity ticket with McCain if/when Obama wins the nomination...but that just wouldn't make sense because it would kill his base and kill hers, and Obama owns Independents, so....who the hell knows.
I think she is doing it out of spite, anger, jealousy and hurt pride.
She has crossed a threshold, and it is over to the GOP.
March 6, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
interesting strategy, this: claim over and over and over again (and have the press repeat over and over and over again) that you've got "experience"--35 years; Commander in Chief--and people come to believe you
but it really is a crock ...
March 6, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have seen trial lawyers use the same technique. If you say something enough -- even if it is questionable or false -- people internalize it and believe it.
March 6, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, who can forget, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." Its sad but true.
March 6, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
When are the grown-ups in the Democratic Party going to give this little brat a stern talking to?
You've got to think that at some point she's going to start pissing off large chunks of not just voters but key players in the party.
Another thing - she is setting herself up for 2012? Are you kidding me? She is sabotaging her entire career! This isn't going to end pretty, folks. This is going to end in tears, and a lost Senate seat.
March 6, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will volunteer and canvas for the dem who challenges her in the primary for her senate seat. I will donate money and I will help set up 527's. She is soooooo pathetic and obnoxious and vile. She will destroy the dem party to get the nomination. Disgusting.
March 6, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll contribute to her Republicans challenger, and Schumer's too, just for spite.. Turn about is fair play.
March 6, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which grownups do you imagine the Clintons would recognize as their peers?
I thought so.
March 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
repulsiveness IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 6, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's your best one yet.
March 6, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm... war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, threatened war in Iran, nationalist pomposity worthy of a Roman Emperor, the rest of the world laughing at us when they're not scared of us...
I'll take the new guy.
March 6, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary strategy v. 1.0. Raise enormous amount of money, cozy up to Dem hierarchy, actively seek to generate press buzz stressing my inevitability and generally create the impression that voters might as well vote for me because I'm going to win anyway . . .
Then she got outraised, lost Iowa but came back in N.H., so, they came up with . . .
Hillary strategy v. 1.5 Win big in Nevada, stay close in S.C. by getting endorsements from name African American and then playing for votes of whites who were assumed to be racist, spend vast amount of money in the half dozen Super Tuesday states that matter, blow off the rest, and wrap the whole thing up that day . . .
Then she tied Nevada, got crushed in S.C. tied on Superduper Tuesday, lost eleven straight that she hadn't even bothered to prepare for, so they came up with . . .
Hillary strategy v. 3.0Win Ohio and Texas by crushing margins that brings her pledged delegate totals within 20 or 20, enabling her to convince the superdelegates to let her steal it "for the good of the party."
Then the party leaders said "nyet" to the steal and she pissed many of them off with her campaign's dispicable conduct in S.C., her little secondary scheme to pull in Michigan and Florida's non-delegates failed, and her planned for big wins in Texas and Ohio failed to close the delegate gap, so, finally, here we are at . . .
Hillary strategy v. 4.0. Give up on the win this year but take it to the convention with the most brutal, divisive, ugly campaign possible and damage Obama to the point that McCain beats him. Praise McCain obliquely to give him a hand in the win. McCain has basically promised to only serve one term and, anyway, just look at him. In 2012 the party will have forgiven and forgotten all the crap she pulled this year, be forced to turn to her and, at last, give her her just due. The important thing is that she must be president. Must. She's owed, dammit.
And hey, why not? It worked for Reagan in '76.
Fawning groupies, reserve the hillis45.org domain name now, while it is still available!
March 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems awfully ambitious and farsighted compared to the kind of campaign she's run so far. But a play for 2012 seems to be what she's doing. If she were trying to be VP she wouldn't be going scorched earth.
March 6, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
she already did it in 2004! she just wasn't a candidate at the time. remember her getting on TV when Kerry made the 'botched joke' about "getting stuck in Iraq" if you weren't educated? it was an obvious shot at Bush, but she got up inn front of the nation, deliberately mis-interpreted him, and publicly admonished him for it. John Kerry, the 2004 Dem. nominee for President. she helped push the narrative which defeated him. made her (in her own mind, anyways) the natural successor to Bush, who the country would certainly be tired of by 2008.
March 6, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for reminding me about that I had forgoten.
March 7, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Makes sense that she would endorse McCain. They've been in agreement on Iraq for years. I mean just look at that trip they took together back to 2005 when Clinton that the rash of suicide bombings was evidence that "an indication of [the insurgency's] failure"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-02-19-iraq-senators_x.htm
Yeah, she's crossed the threshold.
March 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's even broader than an endorsement of McCain. It's an endorsement of Bush's neo-con foreign policy. I've never particularly cared one way or the other about Obama himself but to me his "change" offered a chance to change that direction. I believe she really endorses the Bush direction. She's never made any meaningful change of course away from it. She's so mired in conventional foreign policy thinking that I don't for one minute believe she will do anything measurably different than the Bush administration. Can you imagine Billary reversing the "unitary executive"?
I'm terrified at 3 am all right. I have nightmares about the end of our democracy and its replacement by militaristic oligarchy.
March 6, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The biggest problem with McCain isn't how he wants to handle Iraq now (although I have concerns there too), but that he doesn't seem to think this Iraq endeavor was a mistake in the first place.
The problem is not just Iraq, but a mentality that we can and should endeavor to remake the world in our image. It is a vision that is far too optimistic about our ability to effect international change through military force without negative side-effects.
That we are still debating this, after the deaths of thousands of US soldiers, $3 trillion, and the devastation of Iraq is bewildering to me.
What is the value of "experience" when it leads to such poor decisions?
March 6, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what does it say about the quality of her experience that she essentially endorses the $3 trillion war while claiming she can also deliver universal healthcare and other domestic priorities?
March 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bluebell said: "Can you imagine Billary reversing the "unitary executive"?"
No, I cannot, and that is one very important reason why I will only vote for HRC if she is my only choice against a Republican continuation of Bush policy.
Unfortunately, I have not heard Obama repudiate the Unitary Exec concept either, nor have any of the leading Democrats in Congress. I don't want the executive branch of my government to have this power. I want Congress to have oversight power in re: the executive, and I want someone to defend the Constitution like they swore to do!
Why is it only Ron Paul seems to care about the issue of unchecked presidential power? And he is considered to be a looney?
March 7, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps she's angling for McCain's VP spot.
March 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will we be rid of this rat-bastard quisling? Had enough? I have. I am sick of making excuses for Clinton and her husband. They no longer deserve the respect or support of the rank and file.
March 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, I wish I'd said that.
March 6, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has pushed me from observer to active support for Obama. I also realize now that I DO have a political party, because if Hillary Clinton ain't no Democrat -- as she is obviously demonstrating -- then I must be one.
Clinton = McCain. There's only one Democrat in this race now.
March 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly, I understand the need for Clinton to campaign against Obama, no one argues against that. But at this point she's just being a complete bitch. And no, that is not a sexist comment. If Obama was campaigning in the manner Clinton is I would be the first to call him a complete dick. But he's not...
March 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This seems like one of those suicide by cop things. She's practically begging the party elders to step in and put her failing campaign out of its misery. I assume that she realizes at least on some level that she can't win at this point, but she just can't say die. I hope for her sake that the party acts quickly.
March 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good! Hillary needs to prove to everyone that she belongs on a unity ticket as the VP. She is well on her way to doing exactly that.
And, GD it, Obama, get off your a$$ and start proving yourself. Get in FRONT of the Rezko mess and don't be dragged around by the nose by the nosy media. What is up with that? And fire your GD ad agency and your GD Latino outreach head--they failed to deliver a memorable ad like Hillary's 3AM and they failed to get the Latino vote in Texas (I gave them California as a test case, but they failed yet again in Texas).
Obama, you need to step up to the plate on all of this crap. And, BTW, step up to a blow-out in Pennsylvania. No holds barred. Find out what females and older voters want and see if you can deliver that gd message if it doesn't violate something you hold near and dear.
I'm tired and cranky. I'm tired of donating money, time, phone calls and all of the rest of the crap and having you deliver delegates instead of what I really want--a gd KNOCKOUT PUNCH to Hillary. When, exactly, are you planning on delivering that?
March 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think this is going to push too many people away. This stuff works--she's already shown that. Either she'll somehow destroy Obama and ride the superdelegates to the nomination or she'll stay in forever and Obama will have to face her again in the general. When McCain starts using these quotes over and over again against Obama how is she going to defend her party? Or will she even try?
March 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This pushes superdelegates away. The ones that are left are all party loyalists. The Clinton loyalists joined up with her long ago. Not even the Clintons think they can catch up in elected delegates. So where does this strategy get them?
March 6, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope your right about the superdelegates. It's a short-sighted strategy from any perspective. Maybe she's focused on winning PA just to keep the supers out of it until the convention (unlikely) so she can back-room herself into the nomination. Kind of like the super-successful Huckabee strategy.
March 6, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
But if it's a play for PA wouldn't she wait until the final week to go nuclear? This leaves too much time for retaliation/punishment.
March 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she's going to make the experience argument, then McCain will win. She slept with Bill Clinton while he was commander-in-chief, but McCain actually served his country. And, last I checked, he has his name on a lot more legislation than she does. Where's the big, important Clinton-Republican legislation? What has she done in her time in the Senate except triangulate so that she could run for president?
Keep it up Hillary. If you get the nomination, you could force me to hold my nose and vote for a Republican for president for the first time in my life.
March 6, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
With this kind of bs from the clintons on top of all the other bs, maybe this might drive the supers to come in and shut this thing down. Each day that goes by, the more damage that the clintons cause to the dem party in the fall. Please supers come in and shut them the hell up. Send them packing to bora bora.
March 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,”
And she's demonstrated this... how exactly?
March 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm continually confused by Hillary's assertion that she is more tested on foreign policy than Obama. While I have no doubt that she was involved with Bill in discussing domestic issues, and perhaps foreign policy issues during her time as First Lady, how does that translate to "crossing the threshold?"
And of course--and Obama will make hay of this, obviously--there is the fact that on the main foreign policy issue that she has voted on in her own person, she made the wrong choice. Which kind of blows a hole in her "expertise" argument. (Not to mention compounding that mistake by voting for Kyl/Lieberman--something I'm surprised hasn't been made more of.)
When she makes the right call on a major foreign policy issue, let me know. Otherwise, she's still trying to reach the threshold, 'cause she sure isn't past it.
March 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
And of course I would never point out that there was a period of time starting in, oh say 1998, and that they only started talking again when she decided to run for Senate.
March 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Christ I can't write tonight. Meant to say "period of time starting in, oh say 1998, [that they weren't talking] . . ."
I need a drink.
March 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election..."
So HRC plans to let McCain set the agenda for the general election and play to his strengths? In Hill World it will be all fear all the time, even if it means her own rear gets kicked in the GE.
March 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touche, Roberto.
I couldn't agree more. Really I don't think she believes this, but figures it will sell her better to the lizard brained wing of the party.
Look at me, I'm tough too! I can vote for wars just like any Republican!!
March 6, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a good and fair comparison. Too bad for Obama that he comes up short in this comparison. Even his own staff clearly admitted this earlier today on MSNBC.
I'm an independent, lifelong Democrat, and occasional Republican. For me, my vote is for Clinton, then McCain. Obama is simply not competitive. For me now, I want to help and I suggest you all do the same to help Clinton win. I'll rest easy knowing that if she loses and its McCain and Obama, then fine, McCain is our next president. It doesn't matter what today's polls suggest, with or without my or your support or opposition, Obama will lose in the general election should he make this far. And, before some of the Obama Cult goes off the deep end, I mean this on experience, readiness, and all, and NOT on race or other factors that have absolutely no place in the election.
Now, how about a good discussion on how to help Clinton win?
March 6, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
No what you are is schizophrenic and there's nothing wrong with that. But now at least we can all understand that you are dealing with an affliction. I just hope you are getting treatment for your illness.
March 6, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as cults go, isn't it the Clinton cult that believes a spaceship will come and deliver Clinton the delegates she needs to win this thing?
March 6, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does HRC win in this comparison? What has she done in regards to foreign policy?
She seemed miserably poorly informed regarding the Pakistan elections, for instance. She though Musharraf was up for election, when it was a parliamentary contest. She hasn't articulate in any detail how she plans to extricate us from Iraq. She didn't read the NIE before getting us into the worst foreign policy debacle in a generation. She has no military experience. In the Clinton administration, she held no security clearance, and was not involved in foreign policy decision making (which was not stellar during the Clinton administration, in any case).
Your posts consist of repetitive assertions and invective. You seem like you are more interested in antagonizing than persuading anyone.
March 6, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
How nice that you know better than the polls and the voters. Clearly, those voters who are turning out in record numbers for Clinton and Obama are going to open their eyes and see the wonder that is experienced warmonger McCain, riding high on his readiness to bomb Iran. No matter what the people say they want, you know what they really want.
After all, in all our recent presidential elections, the one with more experience prevailed easily -- Al Gore, Bob Dole, George HW Bush, Jimmy Carter. Oh, wait, no they didn't!
Good luck with that.
March 6, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton is losing and has been since Iowa. Why should we all get on board with figuring out how to help her? F**k her.
March 6, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, since we're offering suggestions, I have one about what you can do with yours ...
March 6, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
My God, he is back on line and still remembers his HRC talking points. Your absence had been noted and we are glad you are fine and still able to crank out the same old HRC nonsense
March 6, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've never posted before at this site but this statement of Hillary's has pushed me into the open. I will NEVER vote for her and I will change my independent status to democrat so that I can vote in PA. Meet you there, Hillary. You are giving women a bad name...(disclosure: I'm a woman). Your tactics are shameless and I'm glad you're revealing your true colors for the upcoming voters to see.
March 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The guy who called this "death by cop" is right. It's suicide for her.
So be the cop.
Make sure all your Dem friends see these horrible quotes. Push this out there, to see it is to barf.
March 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
w exactly has Hillary crossed the Commander in Chief "threshold"? There are but 2 "explanations" that I can think of . . .
(1) That she is taking credit for her husband's experience or, to state in somewhat differently, acknowledging that her campaign is about the reelection of Bill as (co-)President.
(2) The more hawkish you are, the more prepared you are to be Commander in Chief. Those who have proven themselves to be less eager or quick to send the troops into active conflict must, apparently, be too weak to lead them.
March 6, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink