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Hillary: I'm Glad Obama Gave That Speech
Hillary, in a speech broadcast on CNN moments ago, had this to say about Obama's big race speech:
"I did not have a chance to see or to read yet Sen. Obama's speech. But I'm very glad that he gave it. It's an important topic. Issues of race and gender in America have been complicated throughout our history, and they are complicated in this primary campaign."There have been detours and pitfalls along the way. But we should remember that this is an historic moment for the Democratic Party, and for our country. We will be nominating the first African-American or woman for the Presidency of the United States, and that is something that all Americans can and should celebrate."
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Good. Hopefully this tone will be a sign of the direction the campaign will take.
March 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kudos to Hillary.
March 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary then proceeded to give a policy speech. She is a policy wonk not a leader who can inspire change. We need a leader who sets the direction of the country not someone who will be doing due diligence at 3AM deciding as she works out the minor details of some bill.
March 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need someone who can win the White House, so that the change can happen.
March 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is that someone.
March 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you hear the statement she gave? It was about withdrawal from Iraq. I'm glad someone is up at 3am thinking about that.
March 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah. Keep dreaming. No one is getting us out of Iraq. Read a little bit and stop listening to these politicians for Christ's sake. What about "permanent bases" don't you get?
Oh, and the tooth fairy was your parents.
March 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is no lightweight when it comes to policy either. I rather think the quality of his thinking means that his policies will be lucid, rather than exhaustive. I am troubled by Clinton's lack of graciousness, and her combative and tricky relationship to words.
March 18, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is she talking about it without reading it? Just like voting for the Iraq War without reading the NIE.
March 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's the point i was going to make. Why comment on something you haven't seen or read or heard?
Maybe she felt like she had to say something? I dunno. just seems...inartful.
March 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because she was going to do a press conference after her speech, and she knew she would be asked about it. As indeed she was, even though she had already said she had not seen it. Your media at work. The question was something to the effect of did she think Obama's speech was enough, and she replied that the question should be directed at Obama. (Then I had to go to work so I did not hear the rest of the presser. Maybe TPM will report on it.)
March 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's speech is 8 pages printed out on 12pt Times New Roman with margins set rather thin. Plus she was busy preparing her day. I don't think anyone should fault her for not seeing or reading it.
March 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactamundo, Fonzarelli. That was the first thought that ran through my mind.
March 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sly girl, she is... First of all, of course she's read it and fully realizes that, while race is the platform from which it speaks, politics is the subject. She's trying, with subtlety, to spin it as though he's trying to justify his race in this context. "Yes, I'm glad he's black black black. He's the black black black candidate and it's good that he's a part of that race. I mean, this race. Haha."
March 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
How old are you??
March 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that's available in my profile. Why ever do you ask, though, I wonder?
March 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt if you come back, but who the hell cares? I am soooo sick of this bs from the clintons' cultists that if you are young you should be disregarded. That's garbage. I'm old. I'm happy that young people are getting involved in politics and voicing an opinion. I don't care if I agree with it or not, but young and old have to get involved for the good of the country.
Why do you clintonistas want to demean and disregard everyone who might disagree with you? You never address the merits, its always demean and dismiss. That's sooooo republican.
March 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridiculous. She brought up gender, too; was that a sly way of nudge-wing-saying "girl, girl, girl"?
March 18, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gracious comment. Credit where credit is due.
March 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I don't want to carp, but I don't see her statement as so terribly gracious, or even focused on Obama's speech at all. I see the whole point of her statement as horning in on its aura by immediately saying:
"We will be nominating the first African-American or woman for the Presidency of the United States, and that is something that all Americans can and should celebrate."
March 18, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to step on a classy moment - but her campaign isn't glad he gave it. It gave him control of the campaign narrative after 3 weeks on defense and makes Hillary seem irrelevant.
March 18, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for her.
March 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Safe
March 18, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Hillary. I really like the graciousness of your response.
March 18, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
golf clap.
March 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can she be genuine for a minute?
""I did not have a chance to see or to read yet Sen. Obama's speech..."
March 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it was a gracious, yet safe comment. No complaints here.
March 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
To all of the really fired up Hillary supporters who were blasting Obama's speech this morning: What say you?
Just asking:)
March 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Safe, but there's nothing really she can say. The only thing to do is release something vaguely complimentary but not too praising and then go back to making the case for yourself. Which is what she did.
March 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone have McCain's quote on the Wright issue?
Something along the lines of, "I know Senator Obama and I know he doesn't believe that."
March 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a blurb and a link to a larger story at HuffPo.
March 18, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well spoken, Sen. Clinton.
This is not a day for bashing any Democratic candidate. Please stay classy, folks.
March 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yea!
March 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's speech is EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! etc.
March 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smart response. She was gracious, but by saying that she hadn't read it she wasn't put in the position of saying anything specifically positive or negative about the speech. I hope she is asked again tomorrow.
March 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great comment. Hopefully she can give a similar speech on gender in this country. As many have pointed out, the instances and effects of gender discrimination - while no less pervasive than racial discrimination - are often hard to identify. I would love to see a campaign that revolved around serious dicusssions of these issues rather than games of whack-a-surrogate.
March 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gracious comment. But my guess is privately she's furious that he knocked it out of the park. I mean...who even remembers the speech she gave yesterday?
Besides, if she criticizes it, it makes her look petty and small.
March 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree completely. The whole racism issue has hurt her campaign way too much.
March 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hats off to Hillary for a gracious response.
March 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish people didn't comment on things they haven't seen or read. It's a really bad habit and leads to needlessly amplified stupidity. If you have the ability to access source material for your commentary, use it.
March 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she said "I haven't read it, so I have no comment", wouldn't we be jumping up and down with a big stick?
March 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much could she have helped herself if she had gone to the speech? Just saying. I am not being negative, but that would have set a good tone moving forward for both of them and the party.
I doubt she was invited, but it would have been a great sight for everybody out there to see both of them are on the same page. (I am not saying she isn't either. I am talking about what great symbolism that would have been.)
March 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was the context of Senator Clinton's comments. I doubt if she would have just brought it up. Was she responding to a question? Her remarks sound like she was.
She could hardly say no comment. It sounds to me like she was just being open and truthful by saying that she had not had a chance to hear or read the speech, but she was pleased that Senator Obama was addressing the issue.
Let us not nitpick every little thing that either side says.
I have no problem with what Senator Clinton said.
March 18, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was prelude to a statement on Iraq, a partial recap of her speech on Iraq yesterday. There was to be a press conference following her statement, so I'm sure she knew she would be asked about Obama's speech.
March 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheers, Senator Clinton.
March 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet she is. Whatever the final result of this race, Obama will leave with his dignity intact. The way I see it, Hillary will have to retrieve hers.
March 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is gracious and generous enough not to note that in his speech Obama admitted that he lied to us about not personally hearing Wright's hate speech. That is the key ingredient in his otherwise vapid recount of and justification for his politics of racial grievance and division.
After 18 hours it will sink in that Obama has merely sought to justify his own ambition and mendacity and backtrack on his patent falsehoods.
At that point we get to ask just when it was he first started listening to Wright's hate speech and why he never objected and why he instead has continued to fund it.
Despite his contempt for them Obama may, most likely will, manage to guilt trip enough supers into signing on to his suicide pact.
If he does then come November we will see the ruin of his looney left wing of the Democratic party.
Obama truly will be the McGovern of the 21st century but without George's intelligence or class.
March 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary was "gracious and generous" enough not to say that because its simply not true. His original statement said he had never heard those particular comments, not that he had never heard anything offensive or anything he disagreed with from Wright.
If she had followed that speech with commentary saying it showed he had "lied" she would have been laughed out of the campaign, and rightfully so. Only belligerent and small-minded internet posters hiding behind their anonymity get to make ignorant comments like that.
March 18, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like the Gang of Twelve is now the Gang of Thirteen!
March 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are a liar.
Obama first said he had never heard Wright's hate speech. Period.
Then he came back and began his weasel wording about "personally" hearing "those exact" disgusting remarks after reporters starting reminding him of what Wright told the NYTimes a year ago.
OBAMA IS AN ADMITTED RACIST LIAR!
And you are a liar just like your racist lying candidate.
Obama is toast.
Thank god.
The only question is how much of the Democratic party he will pull down with his vile disgusting racist politics.
You ObaFans have been had by the lying ghetto hustler.
March 18, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
White bread says, "Obama is toast."
March 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ghetto hustler"
Way to keep it classy.
Also, you're completely wrong. Re-read the stuff you're talking about. He stated he hadn't witnessed the hateful statements that the media has been playing (most of which was obvious from the context of those sermons as well as his political schedule proving he wasn't in Illinois at the time of the sermons), but that he had heard edgy and provocative statements that he did not agree with. Two slightly different things.
March 18, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh.
We have now swiftly passed the "denial and "anger" stages of the Hillaroids' Kubler-Ross cycle of mourning for the demise of yet another supposedly career ending scandal, and have moved into the "bargainning" stage.
What Obama said was that he had not heard the comments on the five minute loop being run on Youtube and Fox. He wasn't being dodgy and he wasn't engaging in any Clintonesque parsing of definitions. He's never made any bones about the fact that Wright is guy who says some rough stuff nor has he indicated he never heard Wright say some rough stuff. His statements in his speech were perfectly consistent with that. When he asked if he'd heard the specific comments on the loop, the "god damn america" and the 9/11 comments, however, he said "no," and there is no, repeat no, reason to believe he wasn't telling the truth.
Now, however, having moved past denial and anger, they've moved to "but, but, but, he lied, didn't he? Can't we keep talking about how lied? Look, look here's a general statement and here's one made about a specific topic that look kind of contradictory if you pull them out of context and put them next to each other, so doesn't that mean he lied? Can't we keep talking about his bad, bad, racist preacher who holds views far worse than those of anyone I've ever known if he lied? Pleeeeeeze, oh, pleeeeeze?"
Don't feel bad, man, you're not in this alone. Politico, Limbaugh and Fox are right there with you.
Depression must come next, but hopefully, healing acceptance will be reached.
March 18, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was a good comment.
I hope this means things calm down among Democrats.
March 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Elton John is hosting a Hillary fundraiser.
Neat. Obviously, Sir Elton, has good judgment.
Rae
March 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only he were a superdelegate, eh?
March 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, I don't care a whit for what Elton John says or does, though I do wish they would stop using him to write songs for Disney movies. But you might not want to hold him up as an exemplar of good judgement.
March 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, this:
would cause wingnut heads to explode, were Hillary leading. If there's no reaction to this from the wingnut contingent, then that's a pretty good indication that they think Hillary stands no chance for this nomination.
March 18, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Elton John is an atheist who believes organized religion should be abolished. She must renounce and reject him. (I'd get an autograph, first, though.)
March 18, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
When he steps this large, this tall, she has to respond/horn in and try to bask in some of the high-mindedness.
But, then, that's not the "fun part" for her, is it?
March 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
HILLARY IS BEATING JOHN MCCAIN AND OBAMA IN LATEST POLLS.
HELLO?
PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON!
March 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/17/poll-majority-of-democrats-pre
March 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is all Clinton needs to say. It is best she stays on the sideline watching Obama self-destruct on the hubris of his own racism and anti-American hate. Especially as Obama spent much of his speech laying blame upon America, even upon our Constitution and founding fathers. This is getting rediculous, blaming everyone but himself. He spent 20 years with this church, admits hearing the racism and anti-American hate, yet stayed with the church, kept his close friendship and mentor, even raises his children in this racist and hate filled environment. On top of this, he made Rev. Wright a member of his campaign. He just doesn't get it. He will be judged by the people he surrounds himself with, the views he accepts in his midst. He seriously fails in judgement. Again, Clinton and McCain can both stand by and simply watch. They have nothing comparable, no 20 year history of blatant racism and anti-American hatred to admit or apologize for.
March 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Clinton watching someone else self destruct from hubris? That, sir, would be a switch.
March 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I left a church every time I disagreed with the Pastor I would have church hopping since age 6. I really don't see the problem here. I can't be the only one who rolls his eyes as the pastor goes off on one of those "the world today is evil b/c of X" tangents and waits for them to get back on track.
March 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
One word: Hagee.
Anti-Catholic = Anti-American.
See how easy that was? I'm not a Catholic, but I don't need to be to make the point that ours is a society which is supposed to share tolerance as a common value. We should all share in our intolerance for intolerance. Since you, Matthew Weaver, are incapable of showing any leadership on that, I'll do it for you.
Anti-Catholic = Anti-American.
I know you LOVE John W. McCain, but you can strike him off your list of high-minded politicians who don't have anyone supporting their campaign who lacks basic common decency and an inherent respect for American values.
Matthew Weaver & JTHB... Welcome to the Gang of 14!
March 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Hillary Clinton loves herself some black preachers too... enough to pay them $200,000 for their support, even!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152007/news/nationalnews/shocking_200g_hill_deal_nationalnews_maggie_haberman.htm
March 18, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think "None so blind as those who will not see" applies to Matthew Weaver. Did he even read Obama's speech? There are some people, who, if they left the Democratic party and joined the Repubs, would improve both parties.
March 18, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing wrong with Sen. Clinton's initial comment, and no one should read anything sinister into it.
It will be important for Sen. Clinton to make a substantive comment on the speech after she has had time to hear it. Similarly, all Democratic leaders should weigh in on the speech. The speech will be, I hope, a defining moment in American politics.
March 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
A defining moment? You serious?! He admitted to racism and anti-American hate, didn't apologize, didn't disassociate himself of it. Instead, he kind of in your face said, yes, this is normal, this is part of my life, how and where I raise my daughters, and is not going to change. If this is a defining moment, it is only in defining once and for all that Obama has poor judgement and is unsuitable for office.
March 18, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need help.
March 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's so refreshing to see a white guy calling a black guy a racist and anti-American. LOL!!!
March 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
weaver's alternate reality IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anti-American? I thought it one of the most profoundly patriotic political speeches I have ever read or heard.
March 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
AMEN!
IT IS A DEFINING MOMENT!
March 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you believe that Hillary neither read nor saw this speech, then you are convinced that today is Christmas Day
Hillary and her team simply cannot find a response which would give them traction. She is actually trying to run away from giving a proper response.
She is stumped.... Enough said.
March 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg starts the piece saying "Hillary, in a speech broadcast on CNN moments ago..."
So I gather it was a speech, not a response to a question.
Seems fine to me. I would assume that it's a true statement that she hadn't had a chance to check it out, but she certainly knew the overall content, so I see nothing wrong with her comment. Glad she addressed it.
March 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bless her heart.
March 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bless her heart.
March 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bless her heart.
March 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has been a sad episode in the campaign, but I'm glad these issues have been brought to the forefront. Many times I was amazed that a major speech was delivered on race relations during an election campaign. Almost like walking into another reality.
That said, Clinton's comment was gracious. I'm glad she didn't use it as a score-taking moment and added some emphasis to the overall point.
I still expect things to get silly again, but it's been a relatively nutritious morning.
March 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
A vacuous comment and a disclaimer about having read it. Typical Hillary.
March 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I dislike HRC, I have to agree that she doesn't really need to say more than this. Even though she didn't hear it or read it, I'm certain she knew or found out the gist of what it was about and made a nice, non-dramatic remark.
I'll give her credit there. Hopefully, it's a sign of things to come from her side. I"m not betting the farm on it, but I'm glad she said that.
March 18, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like Matthew has a little hate of his own bottled up there. Would he be considered a Hillary supporter? Troll? or What?
March 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's in the Gang of Fourteen or G14 for short...
March 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sorry but Senator Clinton knows full well that Obama does not hold as his own beliefs what Wright has said. She should have the courage to call this "swiftboating for what it is." Right now she has done the equivalent of another democrat saying in 2004 about Kerry. Oh I am glad he is talking about the Vietnam war. That's important. Whoever wins this race will be a veteran".
An honorable person who is not interested in taking political advantage from something so fundamentally distorting as this guilt by association campaign could find these words easily.
Look what McCain said (it's up thread): (roughly) I know Senator Obama and he doesn't believe that stuff.
When a person is willing to put political advantage aside for common decency is as important a test for who is qualified to be president as any call at 3 am. maybe more so. Does Mrs. Clinton pass the test? Is Mr. McCain really a more decent human being than Mrs. Clinton?
March 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Especially as Obama spent much of his speech laying blame upon America, even upon our Constitution and founding fathers."
Way to completely miss the point, sir. The only thing he violated was the shiny, happy, "wht are people so upset about?" view of history that is generally all we get in an election cycle. I appreciated that he treated the listeners like adults that could handle some hard truths and make connections for themselves.
March 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is the kind of speech Democratic Party '08 nominee Obama can use to coat tail a veto proof House and veto proof Senate,,,,, lest those two points be forgotten,,,,, it isn't just the White House and Supreme Court this time around.
GOBAMA 08
March 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that why you RUSHED to release your archived schedules from the White House HIllary? Because you are GLAD Obama got all that attention and that he actually said something historical?
March 18, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course she's read it or heard it. She knew how big it was going to be by all of the hype. How could she not at least be curious?
She's just holding her finger in the wind, waiting to see how it was received, so she can react to it "appropriately."
March 18, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ohhhh, very good point. So true...So true.
March 18, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
That guy with the hedgehog on his head says funny things. Too bad he didn't bother to listen to the speech. He may have watched it, but it's clear he didn't listen. Semi-related: Which is worse, that Obama's pastor said some ugly things or that McCain made some comments today in Jordan that makes one wonder whether he actually understands the Middle East? Hey St. John, Iran and al Qaeda aren't exactly friends.
March 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
sure they are. they're all arabs, anyway. except for the iranians.
March 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey St. John, Iran and al Qaeda aren't exactly friends.
Sure they are. They're all Arabs, anyway. Except the Iranians, of course.
March 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't read Hillary's comments concerning Obama's speech, but I am glad she made them. We need more open discussion of comments on speeches about race in this historic primary.
March 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a thought: why all the anger? I mean unless it is revealed that Barack Obama is a child molester or something, Hillary Clinton will not be the nominee (no revote in neither FL or MI). It's over people. Perhaps that is why she was gracious. It's time to close shop and make a graceful exit.
March 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Much as I'd like to believe you, I really don't see it that way. After all, she's burned that bridge (VP) already.
March 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy cow. That's one of the most unifying statements she's made in this entire campaign, or at least since B. Clinton started acting out.
If Clinton had been this clear-thinking throughout her campaign I might be back where I was in early December--leaning towards Obama but feeling OK about Clinton as an alternate.
March 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver said:
Cognitive disconnect.
March 18, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
An embarrassing percentage of Obama supporters claim clairvoyance again and again. They know Clintno read or heard the speech despite what she said. Just like the "know" so much else, but this knowledge doesn't come from facts about Clinton. It reveals more abouth them - and it taints Obama that he inspires such cultish ignorant followers.
Perhaps because he talks so much of inspiration and hope and so little about how to achieve any of his lofty goals, perhaps becuase his campaign is more about his temperment and character than about issues, he inspires supporters who a blind followers, shallow and inane.
There's an argument to be made for Obama and it is rooted in his temperment, but the danger of a peronality-centered campaign is that it attracts these weak-minded lemmings.
March 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
you said:
"...the danger of a peronality-centered campaign is that it attracts these weak-minded lemmings."
Can anything be done to stop this terrible scourge???????
March 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Golly, how constructive can you get?!
March 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's so glad that her campaign had to announce within an hour of the speech that she would be releasing some of her First Lady documents to try to get the 24 hours news stations to quit talking about it for a minute.
March 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
No problem with her initial comment. Now I wish that she, after reading/listening to his speech, would come out tomorrow and say "Yes, I agree this election has to turn back to the highway and Pastor Wright issue should not be an issue at all". That would really show she is classy amd may even help her get back some of her lost votes.
March 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver:
Matt... you getting your talking points from Russ these days? Weren't you once a Democrat? Like say... a month or so ago?
"Red"iculous?
Don't be so blue young fella.
Barack Obama is on our side.
March 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and one more thing regarding blaming the so-called 'founding fathers' (what a puerile and patriarchal way to describe them) and the Constitution: yes, America was built on genocide and slavery. It is called settler colonialism. Own up to it, Americans. And yes the constitution was negotiated as a way to prevent "democracy" (in its 18th century understanding). Just read the Federalist. It's all in there (you know, written by Jay, Hamilton and Madison, your founding fathers who feared and hated democracy aka "the rule of the mob" - their own words). This is a statement of fact. I don't hate America (that would be puerile too), but I don't believe in the myth that it is somehow exceptional.
March 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yikes!!! With friends like you....not sure Obama needs enemies!!!
And I just donated to BHO's campaign AGAIN today. Do us a favor, if you want to support Barack, do so quietly. It is a big tent, but your America hating is not gonna play in Peoria.
March 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
A great read on the "stain on the Constitution" issue, i.e. slavery, is "Team of Rivals" describing the period leading up to the Civil War, and then the workings of Lincoln's cabinet who were his former rivals for the presidency. The book gives good insight into the conflicting points of view from pro-slavery to fierce abolitionism which tore the country apart in 1861-65. Times are still rough now on the race question, but fortunately not nearly as bad as they were then.
The "stain" is that the Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal. In contrast the original Constitution allowed black men, women, and their children to be slaves forever, banning any Congressional law prohibiting slavery where it was established as a states right. The Constitution even included a Fugitive Slave Law provision which compelled anti-slave states to return the "property" of the slave owners. The Dred Scott decision confirmed that slaves were mere property of their masters.
As Lincoln reiterated, the nation could not stand half-slave and half-free. The Civil War cured the slavery stain, but Lincoln's assassination and the botched Reconstruction era, allowed segregation and racism to fester in the American life until the civil rights movement of the 1960s. That battle is still being fought in some quarters.
March 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, BronxInTN...
I would take it a step further, though. Even though the Civil Rights Act opened the door for a potential reconciliation of our past, it did not settle the matter completely. As a nation, we have come far in the last 40+ years, but we still have a long way to go. Racial divisions still exist. There will never be a quick fix to heal these divisions, though it is noble to strive to narrow the divide. The first step is to acknowledge that there is a problem. Sen Obama stated as much today. He should be commended for it.
I don't know if it helped his campaign in the long run or hurt it by making this speech, but I suspect it will be more of latter. However, I wish more national leaders trusted the American public enough to speak the truth. Isn't that what we expect of our elected politicians? Isn't one of the major reasons that most in this country give the current President such bad reviews is because he consistently has been proven to say one thing while shamelessly doing the opposite (Patriot Act... Clear Skies Initiative... No Child Left Behind... Tax cuts to the upper income bracket equal greater tax revenue... Victory Accomplished... Etc...)?
On a personal level, one of my best friends thinks there is no such thing as a good democrat, one is so far left that he thinks religion is the root of all evil and a third refuses to vote for either major party no matter what the circumstance is. I don't agree politically or even logically with any of their personal views, and yet we can all hang out and drink a few beers and have a good time and enjoy each others company. Does the fact that none of our political thoughts agree in any matter mean that I should disavow their friendship?
March 18, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
A decent comment, and her speech today was good, too.
There are options for how the Clinton campaign proceeds, and the one that involves tearing down Obama is to be avoided, for the good of her own career.
She has the makings of a very good Senate Majority Leader.
March 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Mrs. Clinton did was give a generic response to a speech she did not watch nor read. It was the politically correct thing to do. It was not worthy of kudos. It was her only viable option since she can't afford to condemn a speech about bridging racial divisions nor can she endorse its specific content without sounding like an Obama supporter. She only had one thing she could do, and she did it with minimal praise.
March 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
unfortunately, Obama also admitted that he lied about his 'presence in the pew' and didn't apologize for making a big deal about Geraldine.
It took several wright moments to focus.
The only way that we can win now is for Hillary to drop out and stand behind a flawed candidate who was quite at ease of using tried and true phrases to 'lift' all boats.
I think he reversed the civil rights process, he first achieved equality for himself before fighting for others. And this is probably the only way to do it.
March 18, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to get your facts straight. About a lot of things. Maybe you should go somewhere quiet and think about your life...
March 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It reveals more abouth them - and it taints Obama that he inspires such cultish ignorant followers."
I don't think either side in either party can claim that they only draw non-reactionary, non-blindly-partisan, reasonable-thinking followers. If mouthy, bone-headed comments by a candidate's supporter taints the entire campaign, then all are tarred with the same brush. This is hand-in-hand with the O'Reilly argument that because someone leaves a creepy, threatening remark on a site's message board then it means that the site itself espouses those ideas.
Since no one ever seems to follow up an insightful, intelligent remark by a supporter by saying "this give credence to Candidate X's campaign", then the remark is meaningless. It's a big country with lots of various personalities out there. Anyone drawing supporters is going to have their share of whackos as well as smarties. Taking it out on a candidate because of what a portion of their supporters say is pretty facile.
If the candidate turns around and says, "Yes! That's exactly what I stand for!" then you can have at it.
March 18, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Allright, allright! So now he has one speech in 2002 and one speech in 2008. Hillary's still better at answering phones!
March 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"She has the makings of a very good Senate Majority Leader."
Good insight. I was thinking HHS or HUD Secretary, but this would work, too.
March 18, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of the economy, will Hillary be taking credit for this bit of Clinton legislation as well?
From 1999:
"An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies which dominate the financial system."
Welcome to the Clinton legacy!
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
March 18, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was not the whole quote.. She also said
"It's whether the president delivers on the speeches."
Why was this unfortunate remark left out?
March 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
She also said
"It's whether the president delivers on the speeches."
Why was that unfortunate remarkby Sen Clinton left out after a wonderful uniting speech?
March 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only she had kept this tone throughout the campaign. If only she keeps it in the future. Then, maybe our party will still win in November.
March 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need inspiration AND persperation. It is a not knock on someone who knows the nuts and bolts. Just as it is not a knock on someone who knows whys and wherefores. These two need to team up, A and B or B and A. It doesn't matter.
March 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fortunately, your inaccurte crtiticisms are not in accord with the deluge of high praise his speech is receiving. How does it feel to be a minority?
March 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ghalmos that's untrue he said, "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."
He wasnt talking about the videos you saw. Please dont believe the right wing lies.. Take the man at his word. I am sorry you are so skeptical.
March 18, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having watched Senator Obama's speech, I was struck with the perception that it was much more of a speech directed toward the future, rather than the narrow confines of this year's presidential contest.
Senator Obama seemed to be in a more wistful and reconciled mood than I have ever seen him before. I thought that his remarks about how how struck he has been by how much the young people of America have moved past racial divisions, was actually an acceptance that so many others have not, that he perceives that he will not get enough support to be elected President, but that those who are not capable of every voting for someone of his race will soon fade from the scene
It struck me as a speech that was looking toward the future of America, and not what can be achieved now, not very dissimilar from Dr. King's "I have a dream" speech, except Senator Obama has witnessed that young people are ready now, but the majority of the older voters are still stuck in the past, and are unlikely to change.
March 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this speech was a huge speech for america, not just the obama campaign. If the networks had any cahones, they would air it uncut, in full at primetime. Alas, they won't, but they should.
March 18, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think his speech was a perfect con artist speech ......over the weekend since friday night he looked into a camera on almost every network and said i was never in the church when remark were made and in this speech he said ..".was i sitting in the pew when rev wright made contreversial remarks yes i was"...that means he lied at least seven times that i seen ,,,,,,,saturday he said he knew rezko for 24 years and had lunch with him every day during his campaign .....when he kept saying he was just a acquaintence.......oh he also donated 250,000 instead of 150,000.......how many lies is he going to get away with .......the MSM keeps giving..... him a pass on these lies and he talks his way out of them .....i cant see this guy as president and when the gop and 527's get through with him he will look like hamburg
March 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's bad times when you TYPE like you're breathing heavy...
Breathe, wingnut, breathe.... Breathe... Don't pass out... Almost there... Must... Click... Send... Spew... Hatred...
March 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
liberal historian, you surely jest when you say Obama is on our side. NOT MINE. He is a self-admitted racist, American hating candidate. He is raising his daughters in this same tradition at the church he has participated in for 20+ years. No, he is not on my side and should be rejected by everyone.
The Obama Cult needs to be relabeled as the Anti-American and Racist Obama Cult that wants so dearly to believe in the hope of Obama that they miss the audacity of his core racism, hate America, and now, today, blame America not me perspective. Obama is and has made a mockery of everything he has sold everyone on.
One thing I did learn in the past few days is that maybe Oprah might not be so bad afterall. At least she was smart enough to walk away from the Trinity Church and Rev. Wright 10 years ago.
March 18, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would you please provide an example from the mouth of Obama that demonstrates this blatant racism? I've apparently been rendered sightless.
March 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew and RaeK is still in the "anger" state of the Kubler Ross cycle of greiving over the demise of yet another of the "campaign ending scandals" that the Hillaroids have been incessently predicting since Iowa. There's little hope they can break out that stage and move on.
Encouragingly, JTHB's grieving has progressed to "bargaining: "look, look, here are two comments he made that, if you pull them out of context and put 'em next to each other, look contradictory. See, see? He lied, doesn't that mean he lied? Don't we get to keep talking about this and his bad, mean, scary, angry preacher if he lieeed? Pleeeeeze, oh pleeeeze?" He'll hopefully move on to depression and, eventually, to a healing acceptance.
Kefa is, of course, stuck in denial as always.
Frankly0? If we don't hear from him/her soon, I'm guessing the depression phase has hit.
March 18, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is on your side, if you see it now or not. You will bask in the refreshing of America his Presidency will bring and be ashamed you ever wrote such things as you do here.
Or you'll just remain a curmudgeon and curse today for the glory of the old days when minorities knew their place.
It's fine either way. Die bitter or live as a part of the new America. Be irrelevant or be a part of the future. Your call. We don't care.
March 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will not and can not be elected president.
MidAmerica is not going to accept his lies and politics of racial grievance.
As he continues to nosedive among white voters the super delegates will have a clear cut choice:
suicide with the aggrieved black guy or take back the WH for another 8 years.
I'm guessing that Obama will suddenly find the need to spend more time at home.
He's toast.
March 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I look forward to your diaspointment at finding out that you hold a minority view. Sen Obama's speach today was the finest sumary of the history, current situation, and where we should be looking to improve race issues in this nation. Those who think that pointing out where improvements can be made is hate speach are expressing their imaturity.
I am morbidly obese. My Dr telling me that I need to loose weight is not hatefull. It is the best thing he can do for me. Obama's speach is as far from the hate speach you describe as my Doctor's coments on my weight are from a stranger screaming 'fat ass' at me.
March 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB,
Yes, Obama should opt to spend time with his family and work on deprogramming his children of the racism and anti-American hatred they've learned at their church. Maybe Michelle might also take a new look at America to either confirm or correct her lack of pride for our country.
Aside from the Anti-American and Racist Obama Cult that accepts anything spewed by Obama, the rest of the country won't. Maybe this will take a landslide vote this fall against Obama and the party that puts him up as a candidate. I sure hope that folks can see the light and fix this trainwreck before then.
March 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You two are made for each other. My only question is who helped you log on? Anyway welcome, both of you, to the TPM Election Central Gang of 14. If you could just sign all your posts G14 so that everyone will know your exalted status, we would all appreciate it. I will make sure your membership cards go out today!
March 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Hillary taking the high road, but let's wait and see what those around her say. If they are quiet and polite than Clinton will receive the benefit of Obama supporters seeing her in a positive light; but her people come out swinging or even can be perceived as stoking the flames she will be further lowering her standing in the eyes of the half of the Dem party that she would need in the fall if she were to somehow "win" the nomination.
March 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was nice of Hillary. I am sure she admires him more than her campaign allows her to admit.
I liked that Obama made the comment about not attacking Ferraro unjustly, too.
Barack Obama is an extraordinary man, and that was an extraordinary speech. It is all anyone around me can talk about. I hope it gets re-played in it's entirety this evening on TV for those who missed it.
March 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB and Matthew Weaver,
Your hate, mean-spiritedness and panic at the thought of Obama as President is just plain ugly. Your comments make me want to take a shower after reading them, they're so filthy and hate-filled.
Way to unite people for the greater good.
March 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're angry republican plants, CT.
I've learned to just scroll on by those comments.
There are a lot of actual Hillary supporters who get upset and snarky (like all of us), but who are also making honest, real-life arguments.
March 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be very fair, JTHB is only unhinged about half the time. The other half of the time he makes very insightful comments. Weaver, on the other hand, is a piece of work at all times.
You know who's comment I am still waiting for anxiously? Frankly0's. Short of Mark Penn, nobody can match Frankly0 for sheer comic absurdity of anti-Obama spin. I am hoping that his lack of comment on today's speech means that he is working extra hard on the frame of his response.
March 18, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I find watching the likes of Matthew Weaver and JTHB project their fears and anxieties onto Obama somewhat amusing and somewhat sad. I know that trying to really deal with these very difficult, emotional issues is always going to lead to some agitation, but it's still just never pretty.
I think if you fellows really drew out the implications of what you're saying, you might actually laugh at their absurdity. What is it exactly that you think Obama would do as President that would be so bad regarding race? Do you think, perhaps, that he would start rounding up the white people and enslaving them? Would he use an executive order to mandate reparations for slavery?
With as much respect as I can muster, I'd suggest that you guys try to deal with whatever anxieties you're expressing here. I don't think they have anything to do with Obama. That's not to say that I think you should vote for him. But you're really losing the thread here.
March 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, stating that America has a deplorable record on race and that all sides have been screwed over by powers beyond their control and that they both have valid reasons to be angry and confused is anti-American hate speech? Stating that previous responses to this state of affairs (welfare, the Reagan coalition, radical politics, etc.) have failed in creating any true progress is unpatriotic? Saying that we've reachead a point in history where we have to acknowledge the past but build toward a different future is just typical, bomb-throwing rhetoric? And saying that you can have a close relationship with a relative or elder without adopting every single shred of his beliefs is beyond comprehension? I guess that explains why my dad and I have such identical political, religious, and social beliefs!)
Gotcha.
March 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Matt Weaver. It's hard to have anything but pity for the guys that Rash Lumpbutt sends here to regurgitate his talking points. If they could just think for themselves, they wouldn't pretend to be Hillary supporters and would just be honest about who they support. Poor little trolls, it's hard not to feed them.
March 18, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver, are you a riot! Keep it up!!
You, too, JTHB!!! My sides hurt! WOW!!!!
March 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dance for us troll! Dance! Dance! Dance!
March 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a gracious statement. It is the best anyone could do in her position. I am not inclined to cut her much slack (see my posts if you don't believe me) but this is a well measured response.
March 18, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary didn't even read the NIE in advance of the IRAQ INVASION. How can we expect her to read somebody's speech?
March 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It appears to me that when Hillary haters are discussing anything Hillary does; to them Hillary is like the girl with the curl but with a different twist: "When Hillary is bad she is bad and when Hillary does good...she is still bad."
March 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It appears to me that when Hillary haters are discussing anything Hillary does; to them Hillary is like the girl with the curl but with a different twist: "When Hillary is bad she is bad and when Hillary does good...she is still bad."
March 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, what has she done "good," I'll add for the american people, not the clintons? Let's start there.
Oh, by the way don't bother with schip, that's already been debunked. Point 1, she had absolutely nothing to do with it at all, whatsoever, not even an ittie bittie meeting. Point 2, the clintons' white house opposed it and only relented after arm twisting by a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS. But ahh, she claims credit for it.
March 18, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say nice job Hillary. Very Classy as usual.
It's ironic that the net proxy war started back up already on this thread.
I have much to say about the Obama speech- it will be on that thread.
I don't think that anyone can take Weaver's comments very serious, or representative of Democrats who are unhappy with Obama.
I think you might take his comments as the kind of things the programmed right will be saying about Obama with venom, once the machine has geared up.
While I am not an Obama supporter, I have to agree with what his Pastor has been saying. I think you can hear that same sermon in an evangelical Christian church of any race in America, if the pastor is serious about Christianity. There is however another brand of evangelical Christianity, call it Christian nationalism that puts country above Jesus, and often mixes that call with the inherent "righteousness of whiteness", it is those people who make up a lot of the right wing matrix, and who ultimately will take Weaver's position or one like it in the election.
Ironically you can see this "righteous whiteness" vibe brutally lampooned in the last episode of the first season of Boondocks when Uncle Ruckus turns to preaching. Very funny. Problem is its often, in the real world, this "righteousness by whiteness" is much more subtlety emphasized than the Ruckus parody and become more to even address, as a result.
We live in a very complicated world.
March 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oregon Activist said:
``An embarrassing percentage of Obama supporters claim clairvoyance again and again. They know Clintno read or heard the speech despite what she said.''
What percentage? Why is it embarrassing? How can you extrapolate from a handful of comments from people who may or may not be Obama supporters? I am on the fence, but leaning towards Clinton, but I still find it unlikely that she didn't at least get the gist of the speech summarized to her before her own comments.
March 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who claims Jesus in any shape or form is not to be believed. About this, Marx was right.
March 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
How's this New York Time's heading
Clinton on Obama’s Speech: I Haven’t Heard It
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/clinton-on-obamas-speech-i-havent-heard-it/
March 18, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only he were an American!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Hillary in that I am glad he made that speach especially this part- "I can no more disown (Rev. Wright) than I can my white grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe." - Senator Barack Obama
Obama shows his true charactor throwing his grandmother under the bus. He will obviously say anything to get elected.
March 18, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you showed your true character of Republican hate by being completely unable to comprehend the context of Obama's reference to his grandmother.
March 18, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt I am showing the true character of my Republican hate as I am a lifelong Democrat and voted for Hillary. I call them like I see them.
I would not throw ANY member of my family under the bus to win ANYTHING! Obama admitted that he lied when he said he never heard Rev Wright's anti american racist ranting.
March 18, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I've seen the same two comments about Obama's speech on several sites--he lied(not true, he said he was not at the speech in question, not that the pastor only spewed rainbows when he was there) and that he "threw his grandmother under a bus." Same phrasing, everything.
And, you know, here is someone who got up and spoke frankly and passionately about race in America, a politician, in fact, appealing to people to have empathy, understand context and nuance. And all some of the Hillary supporters can do is regurgitate manufactured outrage from some other blog or another. Look at the speech, think about what he's saying. Obama is challenging us to elevate the political discourse--why not try to rise to the challenge.
March 18, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, It's been about 10 hours since Obama gave that outstanding, uplifting speech. I'm sure Hillary has read it by now and look forward to more specific comments.
I'm also looking forward to the release of her 2006 tax forms, you know, the ones with the 10 million dollar payment from the Emir of Dubai.
March 18, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
dembillc, Obama didn't "throw his grandmother under the bus", as you claim.
That story about Obama's grandmother was an anecdote he had already written about in his 'Dreams From My Father' book many years ago -- which was all about Obama's own struggle coming to terms with being bi-racial as he grew up. That first book was written well before he ever entered politics.
As for Hillary's comments on Obama's wonderful, and yes, historic speech: they sounded rather nice to me at first. I was even going to say something complimentary, but then it occurred to me that it was her own husband, and then a member of her campaign (Ferraro) that first injected race into this primary -- and both did so in a very unfair manner on those two occasions. So, now "she's glad he made the speech"? I call bullshit. Obama's message was all about unity and all of us working together to create needed change, but after race was made into an issue by her campaign (even totally aside from Wright's comments), he was left with no other choice but to address the topic.
Of course, true to form, Obama took the big pile of sour lemons that Hillary has been lobbing at him during this whole primary, and his singularly intelligent and eloquent way, made refreshing lemonade with them in the crafting of this speech. Still, I'm not inclined to give Mrs. Clinton credit for that half a pinch of sugar she's now trying to sprinkle our way.
March 18, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
anneeliz said:
And, you know, here is someone who got up and spoke frankly and passionately about race in America, a politician, in fact, appealing to people to have empathy, understand context and nuance. And all some of the Hillary supporters can do is regurgitate manufactured outrage from some other blog or another. Look at the speech, think about what he's saying. Obama is challenging us to elevate the political discourse--why not try to rise to the challenge.Because those people were predisposed to hate it regardless of what Obama said. And, more than likely, they are people who are not at all comfortable talking about race. They like things the way they are and do not want their world view turned upside down by having a conversation that might challenge their carefully crafted rationalized view.
At least, that's what it seems like from my vantage point.
Take the bit about "throwing his Grandmother under the bus." (by the way, that "under the bus" cliche is getting tired, isn't it?) Rather than trying to equate it to their friends or family who may have uttered something insensitive and see common ground, it is easier to paint Obama as somebody willing to do harm to his family for political purposes. Again, they didn't hear the message because they are afraid to challenge their own thinking. It is actually sad.
Like Newt Gingrich/Rush Limbaugh/NRO sad.
March 18, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
God Bless Obama - no one else can give a speech that thoughtful. The hate patrol is out there, and he continually rises above it. I don't know if it is sufficient to get elected - the dark forces are strong. But the force is with young Barack! Oh, how wonderful it would be to have a president that intelligent, articulate, and thoughtful.
March 18, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that even if Hillary were to just smile and say nothing, you will get a whole string of negative comments about why she smiled and why she said nothing.
GIVE..HER.. A...BREAK !
As for Obama's speech, it is notable that he refused to dissociate himself from the man at the centre of this controversy- the Rev Wright. We can thus conclude that Wright will still continue to be his spititual mentor and guide if (a BIG IF now) he gets elected as President in the end. I think that is indeed a scary thought not just for US citizens but for the whole world !
March 19, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I finally saw the video on her comment and you could tell that she was overwhelmed with appreciation for obama's speech as she threw in the gender issue at the same time. She looked enthralled. Pathetic. Will somebody please shut the clintons down? It's getting embarassing for them.
March 19, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
come'on, he knew - it was in the DVD that the church was selling - I will vote for Obama come the general election - what I don't think we need is a conversation about race, we need spend more money on education and we need to break up the ghettos (rich and poor)
March 22, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink