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Hillary: "I Regret Deeply" Ferraro's Remarks
During an appearance last night at a conference of black community newspaper publishers, Hillary Clinton publicly apologized for the furor surrounding her campaign and Geraldine Ferraro's comments about Barack Obama.
"I certainly do repudiate it and I regret deeply that it was said," Clinton said. "Obviously she doesn't speak for the campaign, she doesn't speak for any of my positions, and she has resigned from being a member of my very large finance committee."
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"...as far as I know."
March 13, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
this comment is likeable enough...
March 13, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not bad, but why does Hillary see the need to undercut the strength of the apology with the "very large" adjective attached to "Finance Committee"? Better late than never.
March 13, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Late? She apologized at the time:
"MSNBC reports Hillary was asked about Ferraro's comments. "I do not agree with that. It is regrettable that any of our supporters on both sides, because we've both had that experience, say things that kind of veer off into the personal," Hillary said."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/11/755677.aspx
March 13, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary said she was "sorry if anyone was offended(translation = F%ck off !)". So if no one was offended by her race baiting - she is not sorry ? This is NOT an apology-this is pure BS Clinton Spin !! Hillary needs to go bake some cookies and iron some shirts, she is done here. If you do the math there is no path for her to win in any remotely Democratic way (wihout riots and rebellion ). And if that offends anyone, I am not sorry- I said it and I stand behind it ! GO (home) HILLARY). I think I'll make another contribution to Obama !
March 13, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
You need some mental health therapy. Maybe some prozack will help you. Obama's campaign fed this news story to the media to get out people like you. Its pathetic.
Here is yet another example of one of Obama's supporters threatening a riot and a veiled threat of violence.
So if your guy isn't elected, its civil riots time again?
tsk tsk....
And nooo, you're not racist. This is just typical politics right?
Animal!
March 13, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Animal???
Pot, Ms. Kettle to see you.
How is your calling anyone Animal any better than what you claim Obama supporters are up to?
Golden rule, people, golden rule...
March 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't feed the troll -- but be sure to study him. Note the term "civil riots" and claims that there are threats of violence. These are indicators of a bigoted button-pusher.
March 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only an "animal" resorts to threats of riots... as when a dog, guarding his bone, shows his teeth.
But now I suppose that too was racist. How predictable and lame.
Everything and everyone is racist if it does not flatter Obama.
Okay, I think I have the rules now...
March 13, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I support Democracy and equal rights for all (even those who call others-Animal!), do you ? Do you feel threatened by us dark skinned people ? Are you afraid we will take your women ? (We will, if you don't take care of them !). Moving on, it is the responsibility of the people to correct abuses of the government and remove abusive governments .
I am sure that,as a patriotic American, Raek will support President Obama in restoring respect for the Constitution of the USA and restoring respect for the USA with the nations of the world.One of the first steps would be putting Mr GW Bush and his crew on trial for their war crimes. Any problem with that ?
March 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
She apologized and that's good enough for me.
However, doesn't this whole episode pull the wool off something that seems to be permeating throughout the Clinton campaign? I keep hearing people say "can't he wait his turn?" -or- he'll be a great president...someday. It's a sense that someone who they believe doesn't really deserve this success is beating Clinton, whose turn they think it is. I think Gerry's comment is a manisfestation of that anger. And that anger is what is fueling 14+ percent of her supporters to say they won't vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. Pretty sad, actually.
March 13, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I for one have developed a very negative opinion of Obama because of the way he has run his campaign and the things his supporters are saying and doing with the help of the MSM such as Oberman and the rest on MSNBC. I did not have that negative opininion of him in the beginning but I do now. MSNBC has helped flame this anger and disgust.
And because of that, I will not vote for him if he's the nominee. So everytime all of you clap and celebrate when people like Oberman and Shuster push your twisted negative spin on Hillary, just remember, you don't gain support, you lose it.
I like every Hillary supporter I now know, will vote for McCain if this election is stolen from Hillary by this undemocratic caucus vote that has helped him rack up tainted caucus delegates.
Rae
March 13, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seriously believe that? If you do, you have made my point. You think this election is being stolen with the help of the press. You simply can't see any opther reason why she is losing.
Nasty Obama supporters aside, what has Obama himself done within his campaign to anger you so?
If there are too many like you out there, we're all doomed in the Fall and this is exactly what I feared and why I toned down my own rhetoric.
March 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
And one other thing about the caucuses, didn't Clinton have the same chance to compete in these caucuses? If she did, how are they tainted? I realize there are a number of problems with these things and the complaints seem legitimate, but how does competing under the same process amount to stealing?
March 13, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you think that if Hillary wins an equal or greater number of Obama supporters will vote for her?
The TRUTH is, however, that the majority of Hillary supporters don't come to blogs and don't have an overly negative opinion of Obama (regardless of what MS said, Limbaugh voters taint any real data there) and the converse is also true.
So you go ahead and be mad and vote McCain and let him decide the next couple of Supreme Court nominations and attack more non-aggressive countries.
I for one will vote for Hillary (if I have to). I won't like it, but it's better for my 3 year old son if we have a Democrat in the White House, whether it's Obama (who I am doing everything I can to ensure is our nominee) or Hillary (who, though I DESPISE her campaign) is still 1,000,000% better than McCain.
Think about your vote before you throw it towards a wolf in sheep's clothing NeoCon like McCain. You may hate Obama supporters, and may genuinely dislike Obama himself, but there's more at stake in 2008 - 2012 than your hurt feelings.
Think about it.
If you have kids they may be facing a world of nothing but war, war, war if YOU help elect McCain.
They may be facing continued inequity in our economy with permanent tax cuts for the rich, if YOU help elect McCain.
There will be more incompetence, corruption, side-
room deals if YOU help elect McCain.
Blue collar workers will face an anti-union President if YOU help elect McCain.
Women's rights, minority rights and sexual orientation rights will take yet another step backwards if YOU help elect McCain.
Please, I implore YOU, think about supporting the Democratic nominee, regardless of who he or she may be.
The country cannot afford 4 - 8 more years of GOP in the Executive Branch.
March 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just how far will you go to support your candidate? Our republican opponents will go so far as to vote mischeviously in the primary just to perpetuate this infighting (upwards of 20-25% of HRC's vote totals in TX were republicans; don't think for a minute they'll vote for her in the general election.)!
Will you take your toys from the sandbox and go home, or will you leave a mess in the sandbox by supporting your candidate's "independent" run a 'la Lieberman, and install the true Worst Choice for all of us. Do you know about the '68 convention, and it's outcome??
March 14, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like she's trying to compensate...
March 13, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because it is a very large finance committee?
March 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You know I am sorry if anyone was offended."
You know I am sorry this is not an apology.
March 13, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
For some things an apology is insufficient. And this is one of them!
Redress is in order! She has seriously harmed race relations in this country. She has fomented disharmony and mistrust. And unless her campaign calls for marches and vigils and rallies in favor of civil rights and against all bigotry, I honestly will never, ever believe she cares about it.
March 13, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm sorry that you feel like your head is hurting after I hit you with my hammer."
That's not an apology, that's tacitly blaming the person who was hurt for being hurt. Some apologies just don't quite cross "sincerity" threshold.
March 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care how large your committee is, and if she was that expendable then there is NO excuse for her being allowed to stay for as long as she did. Obama lost one of his senior foreign policy advisors, a very important person in his campaign, for a silly off the record comment that wasn't even close to as offensive as Ferraro's comments and she apologized and then resigned almost immediately, because of the clamoring of your campaign for "justice", yet you can't get rid of this person who serves no critical role in your campaign?? You are the biggest hypocrite, and you thoroughly disgust me.
March 13, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
*sigh*
March 13, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
whatever! whoever you are!??
March 13, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro's mission accomplished:
1) Crash jet into their warship
and be sure that PA racists hear dog whistle
2) Die for glorious cause of The Leader
Somewhere this morning Hillary is cackling while still nestled in her silk sheets.
March 13, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
But has she renounced them?
March 13, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary went on to say, "I am glad it was out there for several days though. People need to realize that the only reason Obama is in this campaign is affirmative action. By lettting a wholly owned subsidiary of Monster Inc, Geraldine "Archie Bunker" Ferraro LLC, make this case it gives me my much needed plausible deniability and presses the point that Barrack Obama is BLACK!
"Now as many of you know the Kitchen Sink strategy has been working wonderfully. I've managed to throw slime, race bait and generally muddy the waters so well that now people are actually starting to dislike Barack Obama. This is all part of the plan. With the help of my BFF Rush Limbaugh we managed to win the Texas primary and get thousands of ignorant racist redneck votes in Mississippi. But we are not done yet. Even as we speek my campaign staff is faking up a sex scandal to slime Obama with. It won't be true, of course, but that has never stopped us.
"In closing let me just say VOTE FOR ME OR THE TERRORISTS ARE GOING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN!"
March 13, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I deeply regret that I got caught race-baiting, but I am not sorry if it works."
March 13, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and it doesn't stop. Most sane, normal people will be happy to hear an apology and let it be, but the echo chamber that is online Obama supporters will continue their precious smear campaign for as long as TPM has a comment section.
March 13, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a smear campaign against Hillary!
If Obama said that Hillary was not ready to be Commander-in-chief, if the only reason she was in the race is because she was a woman, then i suppose you'd have no problems with it?
If anyone else was in Hillary's position, they would concede, Obama included. Why Hillary supporters can't see this is beyond me. This does not benefit the Democratic party in any way, and is only hurting our chances in November.
You do still want a Democrat to win in November, don't you?
March 13, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If Obama said that Hillary was not ready to be Commander-in-chief, if the only reason she was in the race is because she was a woman, then i suppose you'd have no problems with it?"
The smear campaign continues. Distort the facts until they paint a picture that isn't remotely accurate.
First of all, Hillary never said Obama was in this race because he's a black man--that crazy Ferraro lady did. If you read the above comments and look back at her comments over the last day, she clearly disagrees and rejects this idea. But the way you state it implies that she not only believes it, but said it. Disgusting.
As far as the "not ready to be commander in chief" thing goes, she is running on experience, and he's the one who said it doesn't matter--that judgment is more important. She runs on qualifications, he runs on character. Therefore, she attacks his qualifications, he attacks his character. I know which one is worse in my mind.
I want an experienced Democrat in the White House, yes.
March 13, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain says that he wants to keep Troops in Iraq for up to a hundred years. Hillery says that is fine with her, by Endorsing John McCain for Commander in Chief over Senator Obama.
Hillary is the new Lieberman.
March 13, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ahh...another of the TPM Obama camp's precious smears. She "endorsed" McCain. No, what she said was, they both have crossed a threshold when it comes to foreign policy experience. It's praise of McCain's experience (which, incidentally comes after months of Obama saying experience doesn't matter, judgment does). It's not an endorsement of McCain, and certainly not saying she'd like people to vote for McCain over Obama. In fact, just yesterday, she said that if Obama gets the nomination she will do everything she can to make sure her voters turn out for him.
But then again, after over a year of campaigning on the issue of starting troop withdrawal, you take one comment unrelated to the war, and decide she wants us there for 100 years.
March 13, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
You left out an important part of your defense of Hillary.
She did say that both she and McCain have experience as you claimed.
She ALSO said that all Obama has is a speech.
Parse it however you will, it's patently false.
1) Obama is a member of the Foreign Relations Committee. (and before you bring up the sub-committee that hasn't held meetings, sub-committees have no power. Anything that matters is governed by the full committee)
2) Obama traveled to Russia, Azerbijan and Ukraine to administer the program to tie up loose nukes.
3) Obama has more foreign relations experience than either of our last two Presidents.
4) While it wasn't a formal endorsement of McCain (since it seems you want to play fast and loose with her words), by saying ONLY she and McCain have passed the neccessary threshold to be C-i-C, Obama HASN'T.
What she did is gave the 'enemy' ammunition to use in the general election. What she did is to say (by implication) to potential swing-voters in the fall that it's okay to vote for McCain.
For ANY Democrat to say this is inexcusable.
Oh, and in the experience category, she matches up VERY poorly to McCain. And since she' done such a bang-up job in attacking Obama with the 'kitchen sink', don't expect our enthusiasm, financial support or maybe even our votes, should she win the nomination.
March 13, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If anyone else was in Hillary's position, they would concede, Obama included. Why Hillary supporters can't see this is beyond me. This does not benefit the Democratic party in any way, and is only hurting our chances in November."
Are you actually serious? You think Barack would concede with 40% percent of the popular vote, and several contests yet to be decided? After millions of Democrats have voted for him, and presumably would continue to do so? Really?
Keep dreaming. Everyone must be given the opportunity to vote.
Disenfranchise much?
March 14, 2008 4:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like the sanctimonious hypocrite she is, Hillary Clinton sat at the last debate demanding that Barack Obama 'denounce and reject' not only Louis Farrakhan's comments, but Louis Farrakhan the man because of something he said over 20 years ago. Obama was supposed to do this, and he did, not because of some fresh Farrakhan outrage, but because Farrakhan had said someting complimentary about Obama. The two men are not friends socially or politically. Obama did not even know that he had recieved an endorsement of sorts from Farrakhan. Obama has never sought or accepted help from Farrakhan for the campaign. But Hillary Clinton tried to act as though Obama needed to pass some test of repudiation.
Fast Forward to Yesterday.
Hillary Clinton's grrl friend, Geraldine, refreshed from her years in retirement, trotted out the same nasty remarks about a black Presidential candidate she first made against Jesse Jackson in the 80s and then went all over the country repeating them.
Hillary Clinton asked for and accepted Ferraro's help as a fund-raiser. The two women are both social and political friends. So, hell no. A simple apology is not enough. And as for your 'smear' comment, the hypocrisy is laughable. A smear is when a good friend of yours goes on a lying spree against your opponent and you do nothing to stop it and fail to speak out strongly against it.
What Clinton needs to do but she won't is to say that Geraldine's words are a lie and she needs to say why.
But if she did she would have to say the words are a lie because Obama is ahead in the contest fair and square due to superior organization, a stronger small donor base, and a message that resonates with the people. Which begs the obvious question...why is she dragging this spectacle out?
The truth, which Hillary CLinton seems unacquainted with, is that neither of these two is a media darling. The media loves Republicans. We all know that and nothing has changed. Whoever the Democratic front runners might have been, they would have struggled with the media. And Clinton has the clear advantage with the DNC. If anybody other than Clinton was running as number 2, this would have been over by now. After the stunts she has pulled in the last two weeks, Bill Clinton's status in the party is the only reason she is still in the race.
The irony of all this is that Geraldine Ferraro was right. If Barack Obama wasn't black, he wouldn't be in a position to put up with constant racist attacks from the Clinton campaign and he wouldn't have to worry about the DNC changing the rules in the middle of the campaign just to keep him from his well deserved win.
March 13, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
A good start. I still believe that Hillary's a decent person. I'm disgusted by her campaign the last month and if I had to wager I'd say the ugliness will only continue. At some point, a bunch of Dems will have to step forward and say, Enough. Hillary doesn't have to drop out, but the tone of the campaign needs to change dramatically. She's so far ahead in Pa. she can practically choose how she wants to win it. She won't win the nomination, no matter what she does short of destroying the party. She's actually in a unique position to unify the party during this period. The Obama campaign is in reactive mode. If she gets nasty, he'll follow. And if she takes the high road, he'll happily follow there, too. Are these false hopes? Probably. The Democratic party is standing on the edge of the abyss. The next six weeks could decide whether we face four years of president McCain.
March 13, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do, too. I've always admired Senator Clinton's intelligence, ambition, and drive. If you had asked me three months ago, I would have been proud to have her as my president.
In fact, up until the day before the IL primary, I was undecided between Obama and Clinton, and would have been happy to see either one get the nomination. In fact, I'm probably more in Senator Clinton's key demographic than I am in Senator Obama's.
But recent events have driven the point home that I did, in fact, make the right decision on Super Tuesday by voting for Senator Obama. I am wondering where the party leaders are right now, and why they aren't reigning this fiasco in. I am wondering if in the slight chance that Senator Clinton gets the nomination, will her campaign have done too much damage and we'll have a third Bush term under Senator McCain? I'm wondering if she is elected, Senator Clinton will make as many mistakes choosing her administration officials as she has made choosing her campaign officials?
March 13, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too little, too late.
Only a Hillary concession in the primary will make this situation right.
This is indicative of a larger "suicide pact" strategy: If I can't win, neither will Obama. The sooner Democrats see this, the better.
March 13, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you're point that she absolutely can't win anymore was remotely based in fact, the superdelegates would have spoken by now. Obviously, you're delusional. If you truly believe he has this thing wrapped up, why are you on here every day fretting about the latest political drama? Because, although the odds are not in her favor, she can still win.
March 13, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but Hillary allowed the race-baiting to continue longer than it should have. She is partly responsible for Ferraro's comments, just like Obama is ultimately responsible for Susan Power's comments. You can't say you're going to be a good leader, and then run a campaign like Hillary has.
As for Hillary's CIC threshold BS -
NOBODY running in this race has CIC experience. No one does.
Obama will make a better CIC than Hillary, b/c he has better judgement. If you want to argue the opposite, go for it.
March 13, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eh, this was supposed to be a response to your other comment, but you get the picture.
March 13, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you not see your and other Obama supporters here tendencies to distort the facts in your passion to support him? Aren't you ashamed of calling Hillary a race-baiter? Aren't you disgusted by this idle gossip and inflammatory language? I'm ashamed when Ferraro goes out and says what she says, and I'm ashamed when I read people online doing the same thing for the other camp. Grow up!
"She cannot win the Primary without losing the General."
I could say the same thing about Obama as he hasn't managed to win over the middle-class and Latino votes. Latinos especially will be very important to win this election. That doesn't make it true, though. I don't believe you have any more clairvoyant powers than I do.
March 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
She cannot win the Primary without losing the General.
If she continues to campaign until the convention, McCain wins in November. Bookmark this, and see if I'm wrong.
March 13, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like the comment section is screwed up, so I'll respond here.
I truly believe Hillary is race-baiting. She's even apologized for Bill's comments, so she knows it, too.
I believe it's too late for Hillary to win back support of those disgusted with her tactics, you don't.
I believe Ohio and Texas was a exception for Obama, he has done well among all races and most economic groups in other states.
But you're right: I don't have ESP. Guess we'll have to wait until November to find out who's right.
March 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I truly believe Hillary is race-baiting."
Well, it's nice to know you believe the worst in people. I don't know why you're so attracted to Obama's message if this is how you feel. I feel sorry for you.
March 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Believe me, I don't like it.
But I call it like I see it.
To put things in perspective: My first Presidential vote was for Bill Clinton. And I would have gladly voted for Hillary against McCain.
Now, if forced the choice, I will vote more against McCain than for Hillary.
March 13, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton, I don't believe you. I simply don't believe you.
March 13, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's the archie bunker strategy. You go girl.
March 13, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
From the desk of:
Geraldine Ferraro
I have decided to resign from the position that I have never held with the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign.
I am deeply disappointed that Senator Obama has chosen to attack me in such a racist manner. However, should he become the nominee of our party, I am still willing to engage in fund raising for him, provided that he changes his ways, and promises to stop being a Black Man.
March 13, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I recommend that people read the article cited. Apparently, it was apology night for Clinton at a forum sponsored by black community newspapers. This was one of three apologies.
The end of the cited article is particularly interesting, making the point Hillary's reticence to censure Ferraro was not due to some conspiratorial race strategy but rather due to her reluctance to "cede an inch to her critics". After all, she hasn't apologized for her Iraq vote, and that seems to me to be a much bigger deal. I would add that she also hates to punish loyal supporters.
Hmm...won't cede an inch to her critics, won't express regret for past decisions, won't punish loyal supporters. I feel like I've met her somewhere before.
March 13, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me suggest who that might be: George W. Bush in a Pantsuit!
March 13, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh God - now I have to spend the rest of the day trying to get that image out of my mind. Thanks a lot Liam.
March 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
According to my local newspaper, Clinton apologized to black voters. And this explains that she was speaking to black newspaper publishers. But she should have been apologizing to AMERICANS!
I'm white, but I'm just as disgusted with her divisiveness and use of casual racism. This wasn't an offense to BLACK Americans, this was an offense to ALL of us! Honestly, what is there about this that she doesn't get?
I'm still furious at the whole thing, especially since every apology will just drive the point home even more. Hillary Clinton seems to be more Republican than the Republicans these days,... and I am SICK of the Republicans!
March 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
March 13, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keith Olbermann's special comment is irresponsible. It unnecessarily brings attention to and inflates the issue of race and racism. By implying that Ferraro and by association the Clinton camp of racism, he opens up an avenue of attack that any democrat would rather avoid. Especially the Obama camp.
Ferraro's comments while tasteless to many, pales in comparison to a prominent Obama surrogate.
Olbermann is leading us down a road that none of us want to go.
This is what we have to look forward to if pointing fingers about playing the race card is to become the main focus: Jeremiah Wright, posted on politico.com hope the link works.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_on_film.html
March 13, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is the one leading us down the road to Mutually Assured Destruction.
The longer she continues her campaign, the more harm she will do.
March 13, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Hillary is the one leading us down the road to Mutually Assured Destruction.
The longer she continues her campaign, the more harm she will do."
Is your idea that if you keep saying it, somehow it will make it true? The tone of both campaigns recently has turned sharply negative, even Obama's though he claims he's new politics and above divisiveness, and yet Hillary is the only one to blame.
Our politicians are running for the most important job in this nation, and it deserves to be a highly contested, sometimes even ugly (though not "monster" and "because he's black" ugly), ordeal. We'll see how comes out on top, but your whining about Hillary is just annoying.
March 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't the Clinton campaign repeating ideas that aren't true (like that she's "winning")? Is their strategy that, the more they say it, the more it becomes true?
March 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is incredibly arrogant and self serving of you to demand that Hillary concede the nomination when the race is still very close. Yes, she is behind but certainly not close to being resolved if the voters have any say.
The idea that Hillary is leading us down the road of mutual destruction helps only serve your agenda. She has played more aggressively but the heightened sense of Armageddon could become a self fulfilling prophecy if we let ourselves make exaggerated and finger pointing accusations about race, negative tactics, etc.
This is about 2 viable candidates in a race that has become very emotional for the supporters. Lets be careful before pointing our fingers.
March 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
You make some good points, airwon. I think the Obama supporters shouting, "It's over! Step down, Hillary!" has the same ring as Hillary shouting, "We're going to win this!"
It's certainly not over.
We all want our side to win, and what's more, we want it to be decided SOON. It's exhausting!
Emotions are certainly running high and causing a lot of things to be exaggerated and poorly stated...on both sides.
March 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a close race, for a time. Not after the last six contests. She must now win 64 percent of the remaining pledged delegates and Obama must win 46 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to pass the threshold, there is no way she can do that IMO and there is nothing to say he can't. But in the end, it probably is best that the process continue until someone crosses the threshold. With Michigan and Florida looking like they'll get their way, it could become very interesting. However, if the vitriol continues like it has the last month or so, it could be bad for whoever the Dem nominee is.
March 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
But see that church is in no way shape or form apart of the Obama campaign. It may be a church Obama had attended in Chicago, sure the church is getting media attention because of that, and sure the Church is feeding from this being a staunch supporter for Obama's candidacy for President. It looks unethical, and from outsiders perspective doesn't appear morally right, but is it fair, from the church members perspective probably so. Barack Obama has said on numerous occasions when asked about Wright's comments which he responded noting that him and his pastor does not share the same veiws on things.
March 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree with you. I watched the video on a couple of different sites and his statements were as inflammatory as anything that Ferraro has said.
As an Obama supporter, the pastor's words are hurtful to White Americans that have worked very hard to make an America as equal as humanly possible. Certainly, there's still work to be done, but he's not helping.
Obama needs to do the right thing and have a press conference where he states, for the record, that racism and race-baiting should not be tolerated from either campaign. He must also publicly either step down from his church or call for the Pastor to make a unifying statement.
This crap, from both sides surrogates, is only killing our chances in November.
March 13, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
update - apparently the Pastor is retiring or already did some time ago (couldn't really tell on ABC.com)
Apparently Obama has denounced these statements a while back.
Regardless, we need to reign these candidates in and start bringing this party back together because we're going to get creamed in November if we (young v. old; white v. black; male v. female) can't see that we're both wanting the same result.
Obviously, we're not going to agree on who we think is better for the job, but the venom we're spouting at one another (myself included, no free pass for me) has gotta stop.
Rachel Maddow put it best last night. They need to be convincing voters who is better against McCain and the Republicans and stop attacking one another.
We Democrats ALREADY know that their policies are 95% identical. We ALREADY know the differences between them.
Let's see who presents a better attack ON MCCAIN, and let the voters decide based on that. At least this way, the party might have a little unity come the general...
March 13, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of distorting the facts, what exactly constitutes Hillary's "35 years of experience" again?
March 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
This lame apology is nowhere good enough. Not after Geraldine Ferarro spent all day yesterday spewing racist crap across the airwaves. Clinton needs to 'reject and denounce' not only the hateful words but Ferarro herself.
March 13, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton's apology was not an apology, but a 'sorry if all these racial references offended anyone.' She used it as another opportunity to bring up parallels to Jesse Jackson, another opportunity to try to marginalize Obama as a black candidate. And her poll numbers went up in Ohio, as she knew they would.
March 13, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could this whole flap be the Clintons' attempt at outsourcing a 2008 version of a Sister Souljah moment?
The convention wisdom is that this Ferraro incident is turning into a nightmare for the Clintons. But is it really? Ferraro's comments began to dominate the news cylce on the day Obama won Mississippi, a state, like South Carolina, where votes would show clear divisions along racial lines. In effect, the role of Bill Clinton in South Carolina got to be played by Ferraro, who is well remembered by older, working-class voters in PA.
Hillary has already lost the African-American vote. And the upper income, highly educated voters in the Philly and Pittsburgh suburbs are already leaning toward. But it's hard to see how this dust-up won't do more good than harm among the voters who are the core of HRC's base.
March 13, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am really glad she apologized and distanced herself from these remarks. That was the right thing to do.
March 13, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Watch Keith Olbermann's special comment from last night on this. He states what is staring all of us right in the face. The Clinton campaign has been very careful to keep this issue out in front of everyone while still trying to keep their distance from the racism that Ferraro presented. Unfortunately for Clinton, I think she has not kept her distance and as with South Carolina, she has offended many Democrats in the country. Her tactics are irresponsible and I think she will regret them in the long run.
You can win a nomination on the fumes of fear and racism.
March 13, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Watch Keith Olbermann's special comment from last night on this. He states what is staring all of us right in the face. The Clinton campaign has been very careful to keep this issue out in front of everyone while still trying to keep their distance from the racism that Ferraro presented. Unfortunately for Clinton, I think she has not kept her distance and as with South Carolina, she has offended many Democrats in the country. Her tactics are irresponsible and I think she will regret them in the long run.
You can NOT win a nomination on the fumes of fear and racism.
March 13, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
A part of me wants to reach out and give Hillary a big hug now for having the courage to clense herself of this mess Geraldine created.
Although I'm still supporting Obama, Hillary regained my trust again if it be the case that she were to win the nomination.
March 13, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shouldn't Hillary be apologizing to all Americans, regardless of their race or skin color, since what she is apologizing for impacts us all.
Her apology to Blacks is a continuation of her campaign's "slicing and dicing" of the American people for to drive a wedge between various races and groups.
She is still playing the divide and conquer game.
March 13, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I take her at her word.
What about that iraq war vote? Any apologies or statements on that travesty?
March 13, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, she did say she'd "take it back."
That's as close to an apology as you're likely to get.
March 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I get it. She wants a do over. What's a couple hundred thousand dead people and a devastated country. That's politics.
March 13, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it is too late for Hillary to "reject and denounce" what has become a pattern of behavior for her campaign...
It really is disappointing to see Hillary make these lame repudiations. She seems so insincere and stilted that I can't take her seriously anymore. I think alot of people (myself included)have lost alot of respect for her over this issue. Before this campaign, I was ready to support her for the Presidency, respecting her intelligence and gravitas, and admiring her toughness. The more time passes, her advisors insult our intelligence, her gravitas on foreign policy turn out to be not all that impressive (hangin' with Sinbad in Kosovo), and her toughness takes on a hard and mean edge with her attempted knee-capping of Obama.
As I have posted many times before, here and elsewhere, I think it is just a matter of time, and this thing is Obama's to lose. But the more this race-baiting and incessant attacks on Obama's "readiness" continues, the more I worry Hillary may irreparably damage Obama for the general. As Olbermann pointed out in his devastating "special comment" last night (thanks to Grand Pajandrum for posting it), Hillary is running against Obama like a Republican, and in the process of sand-bagging Obama, is destroying any shred of a legacy she or her husband had left among Democrats...It is increasingly clear that Hillary is simply a Clinton. Not a Democrat, Liberal, Advocate for the Working Class, or anything else. She is simply a Clinton, and all her decisions support the party platform: Victory at any Cost.
March 13, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama wins the nomination and can't even unite Democrats afterwards, what does that say about his ability to unite and lead teh country?
"It is increasingly clear that Hillary is simply a Clinton. Not a Democrat, Liberal, Advocate for the Working Class, or anything else. She is simply a Clinton, and all her decisions support the party platform: Victory at any Cost."
If this were truly becoming increasingly clear to most people, and not just say-anything online Obama supporters, then why would her arguments against him have any effect?
March 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do we know he can't unite them? That same question can be asked of Clinton.
March 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I want to put that in context. You know I am sorry if anyone was offended. It was certainly not meant in any way to be offensive,"
This is Bill O'Reilly style apology.
March 13, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry Zellery, but the genie's already out of the bottle, you lying, racist hag.
March 13, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
The notion that the Hillary camp has made race as a prominent feature of the campaign is an exaggeration. It is the media, the Obama camp and the public (like people on these threads) that have pushed the point with hyperbolic accusations
We all need to take a deep breath, and think in a reasonable manner.
March 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding me?
Are you saying the Obama campaign forced Ferraro to go on her little tirade?
And, yes, Clinton could have told Ferraro to please be quiet, you are not helping my campaign. But she didn't.
And this isn't the first time:
"Jesse Jackson won here, too."
"He's not Muslim, as far as I know."
"I want you to reject AND denounce [Farrakhan]."
She's been playing race-baiting from day one, it's not Obama's fault he was born black!
March 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
another reader:
Please tell us why we should be ashamed for telling the truth about the Clinton Campaign and their obvious race baiting? You say we "distort the facts"...What do you call comments made by Clinton supporters (some of whom held official campaign positions, and all FACT): Bob Kerrey on "Hussein", Billy Shaheen on "Hip black friend", Bob Johnson "in the neighborhood", Bill Clinton "Jesse Jackson", Gerry Ferraro "lucky black guy".....
What shall we call it, if not "race-baiting"? How about "despicable", that work for ya?
And to relate posts on this blog to the comments of Ferraro made the national media, made MORE THAN ONCE, I might add, is just silly. I agree many of us are gossipy, inflammatory, and sometimes need to "grow up", but we aren't former VP candidates, Icons of the Democratic Party, Senators, ex-presidents, or anyone even remotely important. When we talk, not many listen. When these people talk, everyone pays attention. See the difference?
March 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course those comments are despicable! I don't defend them.
I'm not saying the online Obama supporters are equal in who they reach, but I'm saying they're equal in their inflammatory and gross language.
If you truly believe she's race-baiting, after her and Bill's life history regarding the African American community, then I believe you are just trying to see the worst in people. That's not what Obama is about, and if he wins the nomination I will happily campaign and vote for him while still finding these comments utterly reprehensible and ridiculous.
March 13, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I cringe to see Obama being championed by ugly posts. One of the things I admire most about Obama is his extraordinary respect for people. I have to keep reminding myself of this because it is easy to get swept up into the "pro sports" nature of this primary.
I assume Obama has respectfully and graciously taken Hillary at her word on this, understanding full well the political maneuvers that underly it. I will do the same.
March 13, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is Jesse "She cries about her appearance but not about Hurricane Katrina victims" Jackson, Jr. still a national co-chair of the Obama campaign?
No apology, even of the "if what I said offended you" variety necessary for key campaign spokesman or The Candidate when engaged in self-serving lies.
Did Ms. Powers ever apologize for calling Hillary a monster, or did she just apologize for being intemperate?
Seriously, just wondering.
And don't even get me started about the "revelations" that Hillary was dissing MLK right before the South Carolina primary. How convenient - the timing and all.
No race-baiting race card playing by the progressiver-than-thous to see here. Move along.
March 13, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
One factual point, it wasn't before South Carolina that she was dissing MLK, that would be stupid and she's not stupid. It was before NEW HAMPSHIRE. It's the archie bunker strategy. Didn't you get the memo?
March 13, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Power's IMMEDIATELY wanted to take back the "monster" comment. It's not even the same category! I don't think Ferraro has apologized yet... she doesn't think she said anything wrong. In fact, she thinks it's racist for us to call her on it!
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama_aide_regrets_calling_cli.html
In a statement released by Obama’s campaign, Power said: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired.”
Power said she deeply regretted her remarks.
“It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms,” she said. “I apologize to Senator Clinton and to Senator Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.”
Obama’s campaign also issued a statement from Bill Burton’s the campaign’s spokesman, who said: “Sen. Obama decries such characterizations which have no place in this campaign.”
March 13, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is one of those people that kind of grow on you over time. You start out neutral, you move towards dislike, and it's all downhill from there. My impression of her is that she is a 100% authenic phony. Her "standing by her man " as he has cheated on her with GOD only knows how many women tells me she values position over self respect . And if you do not respect yourself, how can you reasonably expect anyone else to respect you ? She is a loser.
March 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto. My utter distaste for her has grown over time.
March 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jim Crow Hillary has no misgivings whatsoever about promoting race hatred and prejudice. She will employ any tactics to achieve her objectives. If vulnerable minority groups are targeted as a result of her campaign efforts, so be it. If bigots across the land are empowered and energized by her ill-considered statements, so be it. She simply doesn't CARE.
March 13, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
When Clinton runs a "red telephone" ad or a "al-queda is watching" ad the day before a primary, WE see this as a Rovian tactic (which it surely is) but we are political junkies. The rest of the country who don't care about the nuance and still barely know who Rove is, don't associate the two. The sad thing is, these tactics still work, probably always will and the Clintons know it.
March 13, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I could have written this post, almost exactly feel the same.
The people have been way ahead of the MSM & the politicans for a long time, if someone doesn't stop this train wreck in work mode, we will indeed be adressing the person in the WH as President Mc Cain. So stop it already!
March 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder what would be happening if Richardson was in Obama's place and was garnering a large share of the Hipanic vote...
March 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The clintons would be using the chico and the man strategy. They already had a strategy memo prepared on it last summer.
March 13, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. I agree that BILL Clinton has a history with the AA community that is to be commended. I never heard anyone refer to Hillary as the "1st black 1st lady", and admittedly don't know to much about her relations with the AA community. But I will grant you that.
Agreed that many of us are probably too quick to assume evil motives for things that come out of this campaign. But the tone this has taken lately, from the "threshold" comments, to the VP slot suggestion, now Ferraro, just makes me cringe a bit. There is nothing but cynicism in the suggestion that Obama isn't ready to be CinC, but she would take him as a VP.
To be fair, the Obama camp went down a notch in my eyes by responding to the "kitchen sink" with the "porcelain toilet". I don't want to hear about tax returns, monsters, and the like. Hopefully this is the Apex of sleaze and it gets back to issues now, but I doubt it.
March 13, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the problem here isn't whether the Clinton's are actually racist (I really don't think they don't like AAs nor are they trying to inject it through a secret plot to scare white people), but their and their surrogate's contentions that Obama shouldn't be taken seriously b/c he's a black politician and only leading her in the election b/c he's riding on the back of the AA community. Which is absurd on its face. Assuming 17 percent of the population can lift someone to national office based on his race is stupid.
Basically, I'll make the contention again, that their whole campaign apparatus is trying to figure out how someone they think is an "empty suit" with only a few speeches to show for experience (which is stupidly untrue) is beating the hell out of their girl, who they see as the rightful nominee.
Obviously, a lot of them believe it's b/c he's an AA. Which, I say again, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
March 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what so unsettling? Bush - the most incompetent man ever to hold the Office of the Presidency - has never openly denigrated minority groups. He has never openly appealed to narrow-minded bigots across the land. But Hillary Clinton has. George W. Bush has undermined the economic, military and political power of this republic. But Hillary Clinton has done something far worse. Hillary Clinton has given BIGOTS in every remote corner of the United States reason for hope.
March 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Bush - the most incompetent man ever to hold the Office of the Presidency - has never openly denigrated minority groups."
I guess if you don't consider gays to be a minority group...
Furthermore, please, please, give me the quote where Hillary openly denigrated minority groups.
Since everyone on here is so sure Hillary is a big bad racist, I'm sure they have some sort of definitive proof...
March 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
another_reader, experience is all well and good, but Hillary has also stumped a lot on her ability to bring about "results." Yet, the only time she's ever been directly responsible for something major (healthcare), she blew it. So, is that any indication of her ability to lead and get things done? Foreign policy experience doesn't really wow me, because while she does have some (enough people in Ireland attest to her behind-the-scenes influence to give her the benefit of the doubt), she also exaggerates it to no small extent. Now, I don't mean for this to be an attack, but I feel it's a legitimate point and an issue that's stopped me from voting for her. She stumps on experience, and while she and Obama squabble over nuances in the resume, it doesn't really attest to her ability to lead.
I'm just curious to know your opinion on it.
March 13, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do believe she has brought results. If you look what happened in the wake of the health care debacle (which she admits she messed up on), she kept on fighting and brought real results--SCHIP, with Ted Kennedy.
March 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those of you who say Clinton's "apology" for Ferraro's comments (which she had no control over) were not good enough, let me remind you that it was Obama who has flamed this story, it was Obama's compaign who brought this to the attention of the networks who would not otherwise have known about the story which was buried at that point.
Obama feels it is to his advantage to keep bringing this issue up. He wants to continue to get the 90+% of the black vote. THat percentage goes up each time he throws out a story about race and uses the race card. And he always finds a way to spin the story that its the other campaign doing it.
No one is being fooled here.
March 13, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baaaahhhh!
I take her at her word.
Baaaaahhhhh!
March 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. We are not being fooled. You are a fool, for thinking you can fool us.
March 13, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have resources that cite when Obama and/or his campaign has brought up race, unprovoked by the Clinton camp? I would be interested in seeing those specific examples in their original format. Thanks!
March 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's to Obama's advantage to keep raising race (I don't see how, BTW), why on earth do Clinton & Co. keep bringing it up?!? Why keep serving up softballs if he's going to crush it out of the stadium everytime?
March 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello?? Do you really think that the Clinton campaign would have brought up a blatantly racist comment by one of their own *first*? Good grief, get a clue.
March 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely, its the archie bunker strategy. Didn't you get the memo.
Also, bring it up first and over and over and over again to force the media to get a reponse from the obama campaign, which they refuse to do for a while and then they do, then scream see the obama campaign is playing the race card, race card, race card. It's genius, the archie bunker strategy will go down in the annals of political history.
You go girl.
March 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I meant Pennsylvania, not Ohio. I miss the edit function.
March 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, Obama did not force Ferraro to say the things she did.
This is NOT Obama's doing. Quit trying to shift the blame to the victim!
The idea that somehow being Black is an advantage in America is just false. Ferraro knows better, and yet, she's STILL out there fanning the flames!
Please, Ferraro, for the sake of all Democrats, stop the madness!
March 13, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at these videos and see if you can - if anyone can - still claim that the Obama people didn't start this whole thing off playing the race card:
Rae
March 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHO STARTED PLAYING THE RACE CARD??
THIS VIDEO PROVES IT!
His church believes its okay to even change the bible passages to make that point!
He has supported this krap for over 10 years and defends it. If Hillary had been a member of such a church for 10 years and had supported this, what would Keith Oberman had done with that?
March 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even the black reporter from the washington post (who's name escapes me), on MSNBC today stated that it was OBAMA's camp that pushed the Ferraro story which otherwise would have remained buried, unnoticed.
Now is that black male reporter a racist too?
March 13, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, once more but slower this time: Why in the world would Clinton's campaign push a racist story that came from one of their people (Geraldine) *first*? Of course they wanted it to remain buried and unnoticed! It wasn't, thank goodness. Racists are always cowards, failing to even being able to admit they are racists.
March 13, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, read my response to your query above. In sum its simple, its the archie bunker strategy.
March 14, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Clinton's Jim Crow "divide and conquer" tactics are perfectly acceptable to her supporters. Perhaps they, too, are fully prepared to stir up race hatred and prejudice simply to achieve narrow political objectives. Perhaps they are indifferent to the anxiety and trepidation such tactics create in the minority community. Perhaps they, like the candidate they support, have no scruples whatsoever.
March 13, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink