Hillary Campaign "In The Red"
The latest FEC reports appear to suggest that the Hillary campaign may be in the red:
Despite a strong month of fund-raising in February in which she brought in $35 million, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton finished the month essentially in the red, once her campaign’s outstanding debts are factored in, as well as her personal loan, according to filings submitted late last night to the Federal Election Commission.After spending about $31 million in her efforts to keep up with Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton finished February with more than $33 million in cash on hand, but $21.5 million of that is earmarked exclusively for the general election, leaving her with $11.7 million for the primary.
Mrs. Clinton, however, loaned her campaign $5 million earlier this year and she listed $8.7 million in debts to various vendors, making clear why she has not yet paid herself back from her loan.
It should be noted, however, that Hillary isn't obliged to repay the $5 million debt to herself. Nonetheless, even factoring in that, once you subtract the other debts her cash on hand number would be in the neighborhood of $3 million.
By contrast, Obama has over $30 million on hand for the primary.
Here's where this really hurts: With the super-delegates. The Clintons' fundraising prowess has been one of the factors convincing the super-dels that this race isn't over and that they should wait out the contest. Revelations like this one could make it a good deal tougher to make this case.















The noose is closing. It's about time the media start catching up with the facts that have been out there for weeks now. Hillary has become Huckabee, and the only question left is why the media still considers her a viable entity in this race.
March 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, that's an insult to Huckabee. He was more decent and funny to boot.
March 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I have developed rather more respect for Huckabee than I initially had for him while he was running.
First, he knew he couldn't win. He stayed in to get some name recognition, I think. His self-immolation on SNL I think is evidence enough of this. While we can debate the relative merits of him staying in the race even if he couldn't win, there was also no way he could really damage McCain by doing so, as Hillary is doing to Obama.
Not to mention that Huckabee seemed to have repeatedly chosen NOT to try to harm McCain.
Finally, his "wider-context" defense of Wright, and Obama's relationship with Wright, really made me glad to see. This wasn't some random pundit trying to point out the bigger picture, this is someone who is supposed to be a sworn enemy of the Democrats actually defending one.
I still don't think I'd want Huckabee as a President, but I have respect for the man himself.
March 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Furion,
I may not agree with Huckabee's politics, but he has shown himself to be a person worthy of respect.
Likability counts for something.
March 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to disagree with you in part, Furion: Huckabee certainly COULD have seriously damaged McCain, by spitefully raising and reinforcing doubts about his conservative bona fides.
That Huckabee chose not to do so is a testament to Republicans' superior party discipline, as well as Huckabee's personal respect for his primary opponent.
March 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm.. Republicans routinely tear each other to shreds - remember when McCain himself was destroyed in 2000 in order to put Bush in the captain's seat?
Huckabee chose not to attack McCain because Huckabee is, I think, an honorable man; not because he's Republican.
March 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
With respect to the damage Sen. Clinton's campaign is still trying to inflict on Obama's, I have a question:
How much damage is she doing to herself in the long term?
I mean, once this is over and Sen. Obama becomes the nominee (barring some catastrophic event that effects a sea-change in the race) and she goes back to the Senate, will the Party establishment begin a process of freezing her out for the race baiting, the recidivist praise for Sen. McCain, etc. Or will the Party continue to accord her the esteem and stature with which she came into this race?
March 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
But why would the media want to give up the fiction that it's a horse race? They'd lose millions and millions in advertising revenue.
March 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM is lazy and the story sells to the GOP and the Clinton supporters that she is electable as the candidate this fall. It reminds me of Ron Paul supporters. With the Dinosaur Media DeathWatch™ each day of cutbacks by serious reporting allows the Faux news to just opine each morning and call it news. blah-blah-blah-blah. Meanwhile C-span runs real news, without commercials, requiring an attention span greater than that of a gnat, and concludes that Hillary is done.
Yawnnnn....
March 21, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reality bites.
More reality here and here.
March 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely the executive skills needed to resolve our nation's fiscal problems.
March 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
When money is gone, campaigns end.
March 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not necessarily. Not when you're Hillary and you are skilled at browbeating the press into spreading your spin on viability far and wide.
Don't look at the man behind the curtain. Oh, okay, then.
March 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. But Mark Penn doesn't work for free. And even he can't spin money out of thin air.
March 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Losing Penn might actually help the Clinton campaign to lose respectably... How did he ever get where he is today?
March 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the fundraising fury of February mostly resulting in general election funds = maxed out donors. I wonder what March is looking like. I will be surprised if there is not another loan.
March 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
She'll gladly dispense with the $5M if that's what it takes for her to get "my precious."
March 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has to be said...
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!!!
HILLMENTUM™!!!
March 21, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does someone need to check on idiotic? I'm getting worried...
March 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
idiotic can't be everywhere all the time. Like Obama, idiotic relies on loyal foot soldiers.
March 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"idiotic relies on loyal foot soldiers."
True. And they're all FOR HILLARY!!!!!!
March 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking it, but you said it.
March 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know Idiotic. Idiotic was a friend of mine, and you are know Idiotic.
/snark
I do remember someone reporting that the Clinton campaign was raising a million dollars a day in early March, but it didn't say anything about the burn rate. I would imagine with the constant campaigning and the loose purse strings reported earlier in the process she may be in real financial straights. Of course, they could have tightened their fiscal discipline but we won't really know for sure until the next report comes out.
March 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to get a paper route...
March 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
ides of march is excellent news for hillary
March 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to hit Bill up for a loan.
March 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is all this uncertainty coming from? Are FEC reports really that vague?
March 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually this is just Hillary's way of ASKING FOR MORE from her voters.
remember how after LEAKING she donated money to her own campaign -- she ended up getting millions?
March 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillaryous!
And Sink she shall.
March 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Relax Thetans. This is going to the convention.
And this:
"The noose is closing."
Wowee. Imagine if that had been said about the black candidate.
March 21, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you come out and say IT, you racist pig. Hiding behind your hood as usual, you coward.
March 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it wasn't said about the black candidate, so the meaning isn't the same as if it were.
I only point out this simple fact because so many of the current accusations of "reverse racism" invoke this ridiculous logic.
March 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
March 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ready on day one, eh Hillary?
Bye bye, the end is nigh.
March 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis -- what's your prob, dude? I happen to know Idiotic, Idiotic is a friend of mine, and you, sir, are no Idiotic! So chill!
March 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
That sucks for Hillary. I'd love to see what she would do to the federal budget..
Oh, and her Bosnia claims have been debunked some more, definitely worth checking out, and I think TPM should probably run the story, since it is very relevant to her campaign arguments of experience:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/03/mythbusting-hillary-experience-bosnia.html
March 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, what happened to Sinbad?
March 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was wondering the same thing. I guess he just didn't get The Love he demanded from TPM.
(y'ask me, Sinbad was giving Idiotic a real run for his money)
March 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay - I am going to ante up again for President .....errr....ummm....I mean, Senator Obama !! Sorry, again - getting A LITTLE ahead of myself there! :)
Any body match my $50 ?? Lets create NEW ground swell of donations !!
March 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll go give Obama $50 with you. Good idea.
March 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave $50 too! (before I read your comment)
March 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just sent $107.00 to Obama and #53.00 more to the DNC. It really really feels good to support those with integrity and 50 state strategies!
March 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think she can't afford to withdraw. ;o)
March 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am predicting HRC pulls out next week.
March 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, though. You Hillbots should really consider moving on to the next stage of your morning process. Let's go through this one by one:
1. Denial: since Super Tuesday, it's pretty much constant - check
2. Anger: "Shame on you Barack Obama," kitchen sink, etc... - check
3. Bargaining: "I'll take Barack as my VP" - check
4. Depression: ?
5. Acceptance: ?????
So it seems we're at that difficult moment between bargaining and depression.
March 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch. What goes around, comes around.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/the-five-stages-of-grief.php
March 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: Greg you need to fix your bad close link HTML in the piece you just posted of the video Richardson's speech. It is screwing up the entire piece and preventing the comments and permalink links from working.
March 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't blame her for wanting to hang on after all the effort, time and money sunk in this thing, but it's pretty undeniable that the best thing for the Party would be for her to get out well before the Penn primary, rather than afterwards.
March 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
First rule of political economy...never make a decision based on sunk costs.
March 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, yes. What a bunch of "amateurs" they are, over there at the Obama campaign, with all their "money," and "delegates," and "popular vote lead." Oh, and "states won."
Yes, Hillary is really showing us how the "professionals" do it. But doesn't "professional" connote one who gets paid?
All of which is to say - who's the *real* amateur, here? Just saying.
March 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for inadvertently parroting your "amateur" remarks with my downthread post. It was already a pretty long thread by the time I showed up and commented, which I did without first reading yours. My bad.
March 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
We know she has been telling her donors that the path to victory is through Florida and Michigan.
With that revotes effectively off the table and the DNC rejecting any possibility of seating those delegates as is, how does she convince the donors to keep opening their wallets?
She is in trouble. She can self-finance, but even the Clinton's are not "Romney rich". Obama could bankrupt them in a month.
March 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's good friday.
March 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You said it! I feel a resurrection of Obamamentum a'comin'.
March 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
and weren't Jesus's last words "It is finished."?
March 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pace Richard Nixon at the Great Wall of China: It is, indeed, a good Friday.
March 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is where the difference between the donor bases of Barack and Hillary really show. She has all that money stuck in her GE campaign account because it's from donors who are maxed-out on primary donations.
March 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fully expect her to act up like a guest on Jerry Springer in the next week or two. Sge is the most indecent thing on TV when she is pissed.
The claws will come out again.
March 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is why Hillary has pushed for a revote in Michigan, even though the results from a new, contested primary would not significantly help her in the pledged-delegate count or the popular vote.
A revote would help her fundraising: in the run-up (Donate now and help Hillary win Michigan again!) and in the aftermath (Hillary's 4-point win shows she's still alive! Donate now!). It's merely an attempt to keep the lights on.
March 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This may be a sea change. If so, we all have to get less contentious and get all dems unified again.
March 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Explains why she stayed home today.
March 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, she stayed home today? That would be news....
March 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how much of her expense goes to consultants???
March 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes it is.
And it is very good news.
Such good news in fact...
that if I wasn't so old,
I'd put something spicy in my pipe to celebrate.
March 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree with Huckabee's stand on many issues, but he is a decent guy.
Hillary... not so much.
March 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was hoping your name was _Harold_.
March 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow...44 comments in one hour?
I could mention a particular pro-Hillary(fairness) blog that gets 300 posts in 2.
Whoopsie!
March 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you stay there and have all the fun? Just a suggestion.
March 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds fascinating... yaaaaawn.
March 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes because when you're trying to compare trendlines you want to use two different sample populations. Obviously it makes sense to compare MyDD, to DKos, to TPM when trying to see what's going on. Wouldn't want to compare each site's population to itself, cause that would be amateur hour.
March 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quantity does not necessarily correlate with quality.
March 21, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Money doesn't matter.
March 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly.
March 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The noose is closing. It's about time the media start catching up with the facts that have been out there for weeks now. Hillary has become Huckabee, and the only question left is why the media still considers her a viable entity in this race.
Posted by SDinIA
Um, she won the last 3 states, despite race-baiting from Hillary (ask Rep John Lewis, one of Obama's own delegates), and is neck and neck, with less money, and the media biting her at every turn...
And the noose is tightening?
Laughable.
So many people are in for a rude awakening in November..
thanks for f*cking up the Dem chances.
March 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which last 3 is that? Mississippi? Wyoming?
Say what you like and support who you want, but you can't pretend that things that have happened, didn't.
March 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um.
March 21, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just popped over to Hillaryis44.org and wow. That place is . . . just . . . wow.
March 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ick. I think I need to disinfect the keyboard after that.
Why is that acceptable to Hillary supporters?
I did find the pathetic posting of the Texas polls pretty amusing, though.
March 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You made me curious, so I looked at it too . . . DANG. I wonder if making a donation on that site nets you a bonus gift of a white hood.
March 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope. Actually, they all wear their own white hoods. If you read the story, apparently, they don't many donations at the end all the B.S.
Cheap Bastards!!!
March 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
UMMM? Is that supposed to resemble a black man hanging in that screengrab of the YouTube cartoon there? I'm not sayin' but, ya know... Well? Of all the screngrabs they could have picked in that video. That seems pretty darn intentional.
WTF are those people thinking? Is that a real "official" Clinton campaign site?
March 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jaysus.
They're not exactly hiding it, are they?
I generally stay away from pro-Clinton sites because there's not a less appetizing brew on this planet than the combination of delusion, self-righteousness, fanaticism, bitterness and sledgehammer wit one normally finds spilled across their pages. Sometimes it's amusing in a perverse kind of way, but . . . this site is just . . . yeesh.
March 22, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Its pretty clear voters are way ahead of the so called pundits ! if it was so certain, then the poll wouldn't hv shown obama still trailing clinton... specially after wright controversy it is just plain stupid for democratic leaders to even argue that this race should end NOW.. it is plain crazy as the new polls are starting to show in PA, MA, MO, OH, all the states he is starting to lose support pretty badly. there is a reason why super delegates are there.. what if this race thing starts to hurt him so bad that he is losing support across the board.. unless there is 2-3 more primary there is no way to know whats the impact going to be like...
March 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope she can afford 2 -3 more primaries.
"what if this race thing starts to hurt him..."
You mean his skin color?
March 21, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
hmmm... you cannot be that dumb, right? u know i meant the controversy surrounding wright and him saying "typical white person"!
March 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a newsflash you might not like: Chris Wallace of Fox News went on the air to criticize the incessant coverage of that comment, and even defended Obama.
Chris Wallace.
March 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to spell that out CT's point more clearly: Chris Wallace is exhibiting more class than you. If that isn't rock-bottom then...
March 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, you convinced me to go donate to Obama again. Thanks for the heads up!
March 21, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is a good friday. Obama gets Richardson's endorsement, and that story dominated the talking hairdos today on MSNBC/Fox (a little less so) and CNN. Second, McCain's passport got breached, thereby turning this into a story that even Fox started covering. Third, my brackets are doing well. (Not that anyone else cares). Fourth, Tiger Woods is looking to be on track to win yet another tournament. And fifth: the Rev. Wright was barely mentioned.
Although the "typical white person" comment was.
But you know what? I know exactly what he was talking about. Guess that means I'm a typical white person, too.
March 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just one or two days ago the Obamites saw their boy trnding down. Now turncoat Richardson opportunistically jumps on the Thetans spaceship and wooosh...the snarky gloating begins. Endorsements by marginal candidates counts for nothing (except their hope that they get a VP nod).
1.This...is...going...to...the...convention.
2. They will arrive in a statistical dead head and deadlock (less than 3% separating their delgate count).
3. The rules committee will draft rules on how to proceed in a way that will result in a winner.
4. Obama The Deceiver will be severely wounded by the immediately precedeing primaries and the inevitable new scandal.
Like a typical basketball game that is decided in the last two minutes..
This isn't even close to being over.
So gloat for today Thetans. The next primary is about a month away and all you dervish twirling will have you exhausted by then.
Slow and steady wins the race. This isn't even close to being over.
March 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The next primary is about a month away..."
How is she going to hang in for a month? Obama is already buying tv airtime. That's the point of this post on her (lack of) fund raising.
"a statistical dead head"
Is that based on the number of concerts one made it to before Jerry left us?
March 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the tortoise was hemorrhaging money and delegates.
March 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the hare sure as hell ain't taking a nap this time around. However, although I thought her campaign was doing better financially now, I still think this thing goes to the convention too.
March 21, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
'Statistical ties' only count in surveys - they use statistics and give you margins of error because they are only sampling part of the voting population and so they don't know if they happened to catch a sample that wasn't representative.
HOWEVER-THE VOTING POPULATION IS THE VOTING POPULATION. IT IS THE ANSWER TO WHAT SURVEYS ARE TRYING TO GUESS AT. THERE ARE NO 'STATISTICAL TIES' IN VOTING. A one vote win is a win. That is how elections work.
If Obama is ahead by one delegate - he wins. Period.
Right now he is ahead by 168. There are only 566 delegates left which means that she must get 65% of the votes in Every. Single. State. and she will still be a couple of delegates behind.
March 22, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
(Sorry about all the typos. I definitely need better keyboarding skillz.)
March 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liberal Historian.
I'll take care of that for you old timer.
;)
March 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huckabee is trying to lay the groundwork for the future prospects of his ideological movement. Despite disagreeing with almost every component of his ideology, I can't object to what he's doing.
Hillary, as best as I can tell, isn't promoting anything except Hillary. Sure, she believes she'd be the best President, but it's still not the same thing at all.
March 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
even this is too generous of a treatment for Clinton. she's DONE! she's broke, she's lost. can you just say that? she's lost the damn race!
March 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am putting fogu2's 4 point argument post in a not-too-distant time capsule, and then I am going to pull it out and present it without further comment.
Delicious.
March 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I see the Clinton supporters and GOP trolls aren't ready to chuck in the towel just yet. So I'll go donate some more to Obama to speed this thing up.
March 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Count me in for another 50 bucks. This will be my fifth contribution since mid-February -- and I'm a poor pensioner. Well, I can do without milk, eggs, butter, and a few other things for a while, so long as it helps. Don't stop giving, folks! We have miles to go yet.
March 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, she won the last 3 states ~ destardi
The last two states were Mississippi (March 11) and Wyoming (March 8), both won by Obama.
Before that was Ohio,Texas, Vermont, RI, all on March 4. Obama won in Texas and Vermont, so I'm not sure how you figure that Hillary won the last three.
Are you using the Karl Rove math?
Either way, Vegas should put a line out as to when she quits. I say it's before April 15th, so she won't have to release the tax records. If another prominent Dem endorses Obama between now and then, you can turn out the lights on Hillary.
March 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no! How many times is Mark Penn going to have to explain that Mississippi and Wyoming don't count.
March 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ding Dong..the witch is DEAD!!
March 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
not sure how much attention this will get, but here goes...
This post/ story is based off of an NYT blog post/ column which is linked to the FEC report. But follow the link from the NYT and we get the Clinton campaign's most recent posted FEC filing which, toward the top of the page reads "Filed 02/20/2008"
Look more through the details and we see the date of expenditure to cover January 08 and December 07.
Navigate back and we see that the Obama and Clinton March filings (which presumably have February's expenditures) are not yet posted (still processing by FEC). Ok, so I don't know if the campaigns gave their filings to the NYT or something else... but where's the evidence NYT is writing off of current info as opposed to stale info (it's an easy confusion... the FEC calls it the 'February Report').
Is there actual news here or a conflation of new income with old outflow? Dunno, just wondering.
Although all the comments here on TPM, all the comments on NYT and no one raises a question so maybe I'm missing something.
March 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's campagin can clear this up. Oops, but that would require being honest.
March 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right about the dates of the expenditures, but I'm not sure I agree with what you're saying about "stale" information, since this is the most current info available for both campaigns. It appears that the info might always be over a month behind.
But I think you're right that this makes it hard to know what's going on right now. What appears to be solid info is that during the same period Obama finished 20 million up from Clinton.
The other thing that makes this tricky is I don't have a sense of when the reporting period is suppsoed to start and end (your point about the disbursements going all the way back to the middle of Dec '07). Maybe someone with a little experience reading these things will chime in.
March 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
to clarify: by stale, I actually mean to say that they are of different 'vintages'.
to explain, the receipts / contributions info relies on what we've been told about February but is then placed against what i'm calling 'stale' expenditures reports. Not that they aren't as up to date as possible, but they refer to different time periods.
as far as the periods covered by these reports, there is a lack of regularity- 2007 reports are quarterly (which has been the standard for years) and at some point there is a transition to monthlies (a welcome innovation).
March 21, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, I get what you mean.
Yeah, it's a bit hard to get a sense of what's really going on, and I imagine all of the campaigns are a little slow and maybe a little random with time periods, since this information is very useful to their opponents.
But it's a good catch on your part to point out how out of date our best information is.
March 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll tell you who is destroying the Democratic Party.... Shrillary Clinton. If she mortally wounds Barack Obama's efforts, we will remember when that witch runs again in 2012. I'll have my "ANYONE BUT HILLARY" button ready to wear.
YOU CAN NOT MATHEMATICALLY WIN THIS NOMINATION.... YOU MORON! Drop out now and survive with an iota of dignity.
I saw another clip today will Cigar-Lovin Bill talking about how GREAT McCain is.... STFU BILL! Your time has passed. You almost ruined our party in thye 90's (scandals, lost Congress, bent over and let the Republicans ram their agenda up his ass), We don't want your garbage anymore! I should have voted for Bob Dole... I once thought you were a great man. Now I think you're an embarassment. I guess there's not enough interns at your office in harlem to keep you busy.
GO AWAY CLINTONS!
My fury is overwhelming me. You have moved me from a die-hard Democrat to a McCain voter if there is a CLINTON on the ballot.
They're trying to F*** our party like Bill F***ed every piece of tail he could get in his younger days.
Good God! Will this nightmare ever end? CAN'T anyone in the Clinton Campaign do MATH?
I hope she doesn't run a White House administration like she runs her campaign.... WE'LL ALL BE BROKE.
March 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
DemDav72 said "GO AWAY CLINTONS!"
Now that is that is advice I can agree with.
March 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
She and her husband are Democrats you know. Pretty popular ones too (admittedly less so than before the primaries, but still popular)if we alienate every Clinton supporter with crap like this, we lose the GE. I support Obama, but if she wants to keep coming for more...let her. He wins when she has lost the ability to wage a campaign. That hasn't happened...yet.
March 21, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guilty of laughing my eyes out on your post. LOL. But I firmly agree to your basic premise- GO WAY CLINTONS!!!!
I know your frustration is genuine, but it's funny as well.
March 23, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only explanation for Clinton's financial woes is mismanagement. Oops. And she's the one who claims she has the experience to balance the budget and create surpluses like in the 1990s? A campaign budget is peanuts. What about all the spin of a tidal wave of contributions? Hillary campaign is one big exageration.
March 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
i'm glad to be sending in my check soon. and will many, many people around the country today!
March 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Typical obamite comment..wide eyed dreamer.. it doesn't matter what i and chris wallace thinks..
be realistic .. think in a wider context .. in BIG WHITE America .. which in Obama's own words consist of "typical white person" .. think how it will go down in small towns , blue-collar base, rural America.. GOP will run these words in 24 hour cycle unless every American know atleast know this 1 thing about Obama.. thats just the reality .. Democrats lose on this 1 single issue every time.
March 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your concern. What are you afraid of; that a President Obama would revoke your whiteness and mine, after we were so clever as to pre-arrange what skin color we wished to be born with.
March 21, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You poor thing. You must just choke on all that hate.
March 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will the chattering heads of the TV MSM stop showing us McCain's weirdly superior, steadily rising poll numbers, comparing them to the weird fact that most Americans want the troops out of Iraq within a few months, and saying it is because McCain has this aura of authority and dependability?!?!?
It is NOT that. It is BECAUSE of this devastating protracted race between Barack and Hillary. The longer it goes on, the higher McCain rises in the polls, even with 63% or more of the people wanting exactly the OPPOSITE of what McCain is sure to deliver. Day by day, Independents are switching from Barack to McCain (and this is also a result of some of the comments at progressive blogs, those few people who HATE THE TROOPS and those who can't post a comment that doesn't include virulent, oh-so-hip they think, God-hate and Jesus-hate, stuff that will NOT win this election, but will drive conventional church-going Democrats and most Independents, and the highly insulted Ron Paulies, AWAY from the Democratic party in November. Progressives making their feelings known on the internet have not always been good ambassadors, at this breathtakingly important time in history. It's a crying shame, too.
But re. the 2 candidates, I really think this particular Clinton has killed us. It was do or die for her and Bill. So we're just going to die, that's all.
McCain, the crazy old man with a constant keeper named Lieberman, very likely IS our next president. Because I think America might be finished. A "President John McCain" would be the black bunting strung across this country, that is for damn sure.
March 21, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah. When the dust settles, Obama will beat him soundly. I have that on good authority from an 81-year-old politically hyper friend of mine who pointed out just today that McCain is a mess, he doesn't look 71, he acts and looks 81, he can't even read off a prompter, and he can't open his mouth without making mistakes. Once we get our primary settled and the spotlight hits him, his merits and policies will fail the test. My elderly friend is a hardcore progressive and a bit of a windmill tilter, but he seemed pretty sure. Hell, if an 81-year-old thinks Mac can't make the cut on age, he's gotta be doomed.
March 22, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
These numbers don't include March, and let's not be naive here. Her numbers could have shot up and his went down in March. Let's not gloat about this. He's had a terrible few weeks.
The campaign better have a good spin. I'm not looking forward to these numbers at all.
March 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Relax. His March Fund Raising will come in strong. We do not abandon him during a rough patch. We are not like Hillary's fat cat donors who only give when they think that they will end up with insider influence. Senator Obama's donors are giving for the future of the country, and not for what is in it for them. He will have another strong month.
March 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not worried. I'm sure that his donations shot up after Texas and Ohio.
March 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am wiping the tears laffin @ "my precious"... Oh my God... too true...
March 21, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am wiping the tears laffin @ "my precious"... Oh my God... too true...
March 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
An Obama supporter recently told me he thinks Hillary is mean. Think I'll link him to this site so he can read the Obamite comments and see the real meanies.
March 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that makes sense because his supporters are running for President. If you want to go tit-for-tat on something like that it would be fairly easy to point out obnoxious and "mean" posts from Clinton supporters on this site, definitely MyDD, the Hillary44 crap, Washington Monthly from time to time, Daily Kos, OxBlog, etc. and so on and so forth. There's a lot of mean people out there...neither candidate can claim a monopoly on the nice ones.
March 21, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
I just gave Obama $25.
March 21, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the positions of Clinton & Obama were reversed, and it was Clinton with the overwhelming lead in delegates, in total votes, in states won, and more individual contributions- does anyone seriously believe that at this point Obama would be using a kitchen sink strategy to damage Clinton? Would Obama be on the campaign trail praising McCain? Would Obama be repeating the mantra that he can still win the nomination by way of the superdelegates?
For all that democrats have done for the Clinton's throughout their political careers and private lives, one might think the Clinton's would feel a sense of loyalty to the party and to their constituency. Instead, the Clinton's act as if we are ungrateful children, and that we somehow owe Hillary the nomination.
March 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "you owe Hillary your support" attitude apparently is part of what turned off Richardson, too.
March 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ghengis is correct! THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!
March 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoo hoo!!
Obama/Idiotic '08!
Wait, that might not be a good bumper sticker...
March 21, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boo to the phrase "witch." Ditto on "claws" up thread.
I'm sure Obama believes in being a gracious winner.
March 21, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that means that Democrats are FINALLY wise to "Billary" Clinton!
http://OsiSpeaks.com
March 21, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Turn off the lights,the party is over.As the primary drags on she keeps revealing the nastiness of her character day after day,lieing and manipulation of the facts.For the most part the Clintons are just like the Bushes harmful to America.But stay tune folks,she intends to damage the Dem party chances in the fall.David Geffen was proven right afterall.
March 21, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blue Skies, you're a great American.
March 21, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting how the Clinton machine is having difficulty finding people willing to toss in their lump of coal.
Perhaps the machine is tired and worn out, or we've progressed to a cleaner, more energy efficient model?
March 22, 2008 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just my opinion:
The way Barack Obama has run his campaign show many of the skills one would want in a "President":
Ability to choose and organize the best and the brightest.
Delegates authority and reigns in anyone who steps out of line.
Barack Obama has shown us he is prepared for anything that comes his way.
His outstanding command of language would improve our image worldwide.
Belittle his use of words if you like; but before you do think of how valuable they are in negotiation.
The lack of dialogue and well thought out strategies have gotten where we are today.
We need a grown up as Commander in Chief!
Let us all pull together and elect Senator Barack Obama President in 2008.
Thank you for your time,
surfkrazy
March 22, 2008 3:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I contributed to her campaign today.
Thanks for the alert.
Oh, and if Obama gets elected we can send him to Iraq and his outstanding abilities as an orator will solve all their problems. snark.
I like the guy but I draw the line at worship.
March 22, 2008 4:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
A fool and his/her money are easily parted.
Don't throw good money after bad.
Does any of this ring a bell ?
March 22, 2008 6:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nellmc, I suggest reading the op-ed by Shadi Hamid in Saturday's Washington Post. After seven years of "they hate us for who we are" and the renewed promise of a 100 year war, aren't we all ready for such a refreshing approach?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102633.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
March 22, 2008 5:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's really unfortunate that a Glitzkrieg is having so much influence on the democratic process. If you cast your vote lightly, the consequences risk being very heavy indeed.
March 22, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look to the welcoming of Lieberman in the Senate after his indy win for your answer. The man, who is actively campaigning with the Republican nominee, not only got a standing ovation and cheers on the day of his return, but has suffered not a single inconvenience for his consistent offenses against Democrats and his blatant lies to his constituents.
Oh sorry. His CT poll numbers dropped a bit. BFD.
Bets are Clinton will not suffer any indignities at the hands of the party or her colleagues. She's a member of an exclusive club and the underlying belief is that it's "just politics" and as such, an acceptable part of the game.
Thus McCain embraces Bush after his drubbing by political dirty tricks. Clinton embraces McCain and other republicans despite the awful treatment she suffered through them, etc. Odd bedfellows and all that rubbish.
As for the voters who have had an eyeopening experience in this primary...she might want to pray some of them have short memories. Very short memories.
March 22, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Obama really closing in on 2 million donors?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/contribute_c/sofar08_sidebar/graphic
March 22, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
AS I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY TO ALL YOU HILLARY BOTS.SHA NA NA SAY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!And good Ridance to the IRON *****!!!!!Also don`t let the door hit you in the AS on the way out!!!!
March 22, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO it Ding Dong the wicked ***** is DEAD!!!!
Now everyone can celebrate!!!
March 22, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the MSM coverage of this issue ?? To me, if Hillary can't manage her finances in this campaign. How will she deal with the federal budget ? Same with McCain...
March 23, 2008 7:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
End of February, very little cash on hand -- 6 million in 2 days after March 4 then lots more. A big month for Clinton. She does not have the money Obama does, but when she wins PA by a large amount, she will get a lot more money.
Money money money
Lot of sexism out there among you Obama supporters who would never be as nasty about a male candidate as you feel free to be toward Senator Clinton. Sexism is certainly as much a part of this campaign as anything else, and it is really sad.
March 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for letting me know. Just made a donation to Hillary. Obama is flush with money from so many of his supporters that he obviously doesn't need any of mine.
March 23, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
She sure as heck has bigger problems than being 8.7 million in debt.
Read on about the hearing on April 25th (OF COURSE three days after primary) and the upcoming trial - why this story sleeps, I'll never know.
"Another Hillary SECRET Here's an update on the Peter Paul vs. Clintons lawsuit:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n ews/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=494 78
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Go to Link (Los Angeles Superior Court) and look in the CIVIL Column, then Click on CASE SUMMARIES then enter these numbers in the box BC304174. It is an active case and has been since January. Sen. Clinton he has not disclosed it. Even after bringing up Rezko and calling Sen. Obama "Ken Starr". I think, before we go any further, she needs to disclose this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =lPgC0-0bY0Q
(there's a part 1 and part 2 on utube)
March 23, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink