Hillary Campaign Didn't Disavow Donor Letter To Pelosi
After reviewing some of the comments the Clinton team made about the Pelosi letter on the conference call today, I realize I was remiss in not flagging another part of it: While Hillary advisers did say they didn't know what was in the letter until it was made public, they also declined to disavow the threatening aspect of it.
Asked on the call by The Huffington Post's Sam Stein whether the suggestion that the donors might withhold funds from the DCCC was "appropriate," Hillary spokesperson Phil Singer said:
"I think the letter speaks for itself. There's clearly a broad feeling among many Democrats, many people who are active in the party, that the role of superdelegates is to exercise independent judgment and make a decision based on what is best for the party and best for the country."
Singer seemed to be addressing the substance of the letter's argument about super-dels here, but nonetheless, he was directly asked whether the tacit threat was "appropriate," and didn't use the occasion to condemn it or disagree with it.
A bit later on the call, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson said that folks with questions about this should pose them directly to the donors themselves and didn't directly disavow that aspect of the letter. He did add, however, that people at "every level" of the campaign "are absolutely committed" to "doing what we can to help create large Democratic majorities in 2008."















Of course they don't disagree with it. They think they own this thing.
March 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an Obama supporter, can I just say that this entire story is incredibly dumb. A few donors send a letter to Pelosi. Pelosi says, “meh.” Clinton campaign says, “meh.” Does anyone think that Pelosi and other superdelegates are really going to sit up straight and all of sudden start campaigning for Clinton because some donors are threatening to take their ball and go home? No. People aren’t stupid. This is a game, everybody knows what’s going on, settle down, who cares, she’s not going to win, obviously her supporters are going to fight for her, FL/MI is just the latest gambit, this too will pass, the supers aren't going to over-rule the pledged delegates, everyone knows it, some people are mad about it, etc.
There are more important/interesting things going on than this stupid letter from a few Hillary supporters.
March 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously the donors did.
Just because they got smacked down doesn't excuse their attempt to buy favors.
That is fine for you to set your priorities that way but for me this is a pretty big deal. Since Hillary's and Barrack's positions on many issues are virtually identical the deciding factor for me is the fact that Barrack does not owe allegiance to a small number of "fat-cats" and has no favors to repay other than to do a good job.
Hillary's camp on the other hand seem to think that personal allegiance and quid pro quo are not only tolerated, but accepted as standard practice, and if you do not honor you "debts" then you are a Judas.
March 27, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eh. It's not a HUGE story, but it is a story. Some LARGE party donors threatened to sit out rather than solidify a house majority if Poloisi didn't agree with their interpretation of how the presidential primary should go.
That's strong-arming, plain and simple. It's perfectly legitimate, it is not outside their rights as donors. It is, after all, their money--they are not required to donate it by law or custom. Nor, having donated in the past, are they required to be silent about how their money is used. But it should be indicative of what, REALLY, is happening in this campaign.
When those donors say "independent judgment" they mean to say that public figures should not give opinions (such as peloisi's) that superdelegates should follow the will of the voters. Since the will of the voters will nominate obama (sorry, but proportional representation is a bitch), that EXPRESSLY means that the donors do not want public figures pressuring against a clinton convention coup. They would prefer that SD's be able to nominate clinton without too much shame or notice.
So they are offering a quid pro quo. Clam up about SD's or we won't fund house races. That's a story.
It is a story partly because of the content, which I showed, but mostly because of the speaker, the audience and their advocacy. They are large money donors who represent the DNC politics that Obama/dean/netroots are trying to get away from (with varying degrees of success and will). they are speaking to a public, elected figure. And they are doing so on behalf of a candidate, plainly. That's a story.
March 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever.
March 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I agree with the points you brought out here, I have to point out that tactics like this were my deciding factor in this election. Since Obama and Clinton are virtually indistinguishable on policy, the idea of voting for someone who is campaigning SO STRENUOUSLY for the position runs in opposition to my own feelings of how a Presidential Candidate should act. (Not to mention how our 'founding fathers' didn't believe in a monarchy. I cease to understand how 24 years of Bush-Clinton Presidency would not qualify as the next closest thing.)
March 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I eagerly await the accusations of a pro-Clinton bias on this thread, because they promise to be even more fantastically improbable than usual.
March 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
This post mentions Hillary directly by name 4 times and ABSOLUTELY NOT ONCE mentioning Obama's!
OBAMOUTRAGE!
March 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look Greg. It was all a bit of riff. Don't tell me you didn't smile reading them.
Look Greg,... no, the other one - You are a big bully journalist. You can take some rough with the smooth, can't ya ?
March 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe these big donors are feeling a little threatened by Obama. Think about it; Obama has shattered every fundraising record and he has done it with average contributions of $109.
Maybe they see the writing on the wall. If Obama is ellected they will no longer "own" the Democratic party, and that scares the shit out of them.
March 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"doing what we can to help create large Democratic majorities in 2008."
This is good to hear.
March 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
But what I want to know is whether Wolfson was able to make it through that sentence without giggling.
March 27, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This needs to be revised.
Hmmmm.
There. Better.
And the comment functions are sort of screwed up today, guys.
March 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sounds about right to me. Of course, in 99% of the cases, selecting the candidate with the most delegates is going to be best for the party and the country.
There could be an extreme case, where the leading candidate totally blows up after most or all the primaries where it would be appropriate for the super delegates to vote for someone who was not the leader, and then it would only help if the race was close.
There's nothing here that makes such a scenario necessary, much as Hillary would like to make it one.
March 27, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most likely, Hillary just assumed that her Money Goons were forwarding a copy of the letter that she ran through a withering hail of sniper fire to accept from that young girl at Tuzla Airport in Bosnia. An honest mistake on her part.
Who would ever imagine that Hillary's Money Goons would actually be sending a threating letter to Speaker Pelosi.
March 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Had enough?
March 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This event highlights how 2,000,000 smaller donations to the Obama camapaign and who knows how many to Bill and Hillary's and the other candidates, can make a difference in how politics are practiced. Officials like Pelosi will now have greater freedom to represent the majority, to use their own judgement, and work for what's best for the nation.
Voters take note. This year we have begun to attack "big money" by donating "small money" to offset it. Bravo!
March 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Singer sed: "the role of superdelegates is to exercise independent judgment and make a decision based on what is best for the party and best for the country."
Superdelegates (automatic delegates, as the Clinton campaign was trying to call them...) overturning the results of Obama’s 50 state strategy and delegate lead will be "best for the party and best for the country" how? How?
See, I have come to believe that the Clinton campaign is suffering under some fantasy/delusion that they, and only they, can save the country and the party and the supers should go to them on bended knees to overthrow that Uppity Upstart and give the nomination to Hillary. Only then will the 3:00am phone calls be answered. Or else, she and her donors are leaving and she and her donors are gonna burn down the house.
Her campaign song should be Burning Down the House.
March 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"the Clinton campaign is suffering under some fantasy/delusion that they, and only they, can save the country"
Yes, Doug Coe (Head of the right wing cult, "the family") probably told her she is the chosen one.
March 28, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has outraised Hilalry with small donations from average citizens.
They think they own the party and the process.
These fat cat money people can go shove it.
March 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the addendum.
March 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave $20.08 to DCCC in honor of the extortionists today, and First Read said a supporter in SF pledged the $23K max.
March 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave $25. First time I ever gave to the DCCC. Hope more people do.
March 27, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
What we need to do is find out what businesses provide the profits to these fat cat donors and organize a boycott against them or their products to reduce THEIR earnings.
If they want to threaten the democratic process with their money we need to use our money to threaten their economic viability.
Who are these folks and what do they do and where is their money invested?
March 27, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her campaign just oozes slime. You really start to wonder if there is any campaign tactic they would consider out of bounds. Short of killing someone - maybe - I'm very doubtful.
March 27, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a Nutshell.
Hillary had her Money Goons places a Horse's Head in Speaker Pelosi's bed.
Speaker Pelosi returned the head with a note attached that said: F you and the Headless Horse you rode in on.
March 27, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.
March 27, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's important to remember that on March 12th the Clinton campaign and a day long talk with these very people:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/in_private_peptalk_to_top_dono.php
Just three days after the March 12 meeting, TPM reported that: "Top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton have begun to exert direct and personal pressure on DNC chair Howard Dean, urging him to show more leadership to bring about some sort of resolution to the Florida and Michigan vote standoffs"
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/top_hillary_donor_directly_pre.php
I find it a little hard to believe that the Clinton campaign isn't directly behind this big donor action (although I admit it's not improbable).
March 27, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent point. Greg S., maybe you should follow up with the donor who was present at the all-day strategy session.
March 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The latest Pew poll is out: Obama 49%, Clinton 39%. All the data were gathered after Obama's speech on race. The result is virtually the same as Pew's late February poll. See AP for the story.
Anyone have the skinny on Pew's reliability? I don't recall ever seeing a Pew poll referenced here at TPM.
March 27, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's bad enough that Barack Obama's church took sick joy in 9/11 for "racist white America" supporting "Zionists." Now we learn it also is a mouthpiece for anti-Israeli terrorists."
Time for another speech, this time dropping out for Obama.
March 27, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your handle isn't "ironic", as others were commenting yesterday. It's oxymoronic.
Oh, in your hate-laced screed about Obama, you left out the Italians.
March 27, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
As usual, Hillary antics have come back to bite her in the rear.
Moveon has started a petition drive.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/MoveOn_responds_to_Pelosi_letter.html#comments
As one poster at Ben Smith noted, Nancy must have received more e-mails in the past 2 days than in her entire career.
March 27, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's online petition is already getting abused: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/declaration_of_fairness/signatures.html
March 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol
March 27, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Singer's first draft of his response has been located:
"I think the letter speaks for itself. There's clearly a broad feeling among Ms Clinton's wealthy donors, many of whom believe that extortion and lies go hand in hand, that the role of superdelegates is to exercise Hillary's judgment and make a decision based on what is best for Hillary, but maybe not so good our our country."
March 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"the role of superdelegates is to exercise independent judgment and make a decision based on what is best for the party and best for the country."
I support this view. The superdelegates role could indeed provide a needed leadership voice.
In fact, they could do it this week. They already know what's best for the party and the country. All they need to do is realize it's time for them to speak.
Only, I don't think Mr. Wolfson would like the result one bit.
March 27, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree. I would love for the SDs to exercise some judgment and stop Hillary from ruining our chances in Nov.
March 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Supporting Our Party
Barak's response talks about the importance of the grassroots movement and downticket candidates.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBRqN
March 27, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good question...
CNN, "Cafterty File"March 27, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Fully vetted",
Hillary,
You keep using that phrase. I don't think it means what you think it does.
March 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tried (and now some are waging political war on her), Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, has suggested it (but "BILLARY" Clinton is NOT hearing it) and NOW someone -- ANYONE -- needs to whisper in Clinton's ear -- like you would with a SENILE Aunt -- that the gig is up and Obama is the Democratic nominee!
http://OsiSpeaks.com
March 27, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to Pelosi, Clinton won California and Mass. so she, Kerry and Kennedy should support Clinton.
March 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unclear on the concept . . .
PELOSI is a CONGRESSWOMAN . . . not a governor.
March 27, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she was to endorse Obama (which she hasn't), she would be exercising her independence, exactly what the extortioners are demanding. What's the problem again? SDs should only exercise independence if it means going for Hillary and not Obama?
March 27, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
What you fail to see is that stupid strategies based on lies and spinning are like bubble gum:
the more you stretch them, the more transparent they get. and before you know it, you got a big hole staring you in the face.
so do yourself a favor and drop stuff like this when it's gotten so rotten.
Pelosi and everybody else said it would be bad for the party if the superdelegates "overturned" the will of the voters.
We know you've got all of those DNC supers that haven't been elected and don't represent anybody, so you'd like to lock all of the Obama supporters to their states, leave all of the Clinton supporters do whatever, because, after all, everybody can play by different rules.
March 27, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously, it was an intimidation tactic -- but, why put it in a letter, didn't they think that it would be published?
What this really tells us is that regular hand-pumping and backslapping is not working well with the superdelegates. So they had to rachet up the pressure.
My feeling is that the supers have been parroting Pelosi's line when the Clinton's come calling and not making a commitment.
I wonder what the "undecided but leaning towards Obama" numbers among the supers look like.
Anyways, I just sent the DCCC some dough, my first-ever political contribution.
March 27, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't McCain reel in his future Vice President?
It is a day that ends in "y" with loads of fear-mongering with threats of a scourced earth policy . . . Yep, Clinton is still in the race.
March 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't McCain reel in his future Vice President?
It is a day that ends in "y" with loads of fear-mongering with threats of a scourced earth policy . . . Yep, Clinton is still in the race.
March 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons' strategy seems to be my way or the highway. Is it Bill's desire to bypass the 22nd amendment that is fueling his rage and cynicism? Can the country afford to have a Clinton President and a Clinton Vice President? Perhaps it is time to breakup the Democratic Party and start a new one that is really liberal and progressive, especially since it now seems likely that McCain will be the president. The Clintons, the DLC, and Lieberman can then honestly become Republicans
March 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should have given this more thought. I bet the DCCC donations have doubled. This was out yesterday. We started fundraising yesterday for the DCCC. We wouldn't want to run those donors from the Party but they do need to know we won't put up with extortion either.
March 27, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
In retaliation to to Hillary Clinton and her supporters attempts to extort the most powerful elected female official in the nation, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee I have just donated $100 to the DCCC.
https://dccc.org/page/contribute.
I ask everyone to join me in Denouncing and Rejecting these tactics by making your own contribution and thereby telling these rich fat cats to hit the road and they are no longer welcome in this party. WE don't want their money or their influence. They seem better suited to the GOP anyway.
March 27, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
In response to the post directly, I put this together as a direct rebuke to the letter sent Pelosi's way:
Dear Madam Speaker,
We understand that you are under some pressure of late to keep quiet about what you think about the current fight for the party’s nomination. Not that we’d expect you to be even tempted to bend to the pressure of a few deep-pocketed bullies, but perhaps we can show that we’ll do them one better and ask nothing in return.
http://www.actblue.com/page/dear_speaker
March 27, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to this article in the Times, the donors who signed the letter collectively gave $24 mil. since 1999.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/pelosi-letter-writers-are-mega-million-donors/#comment-810221
March 27, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess this is old news, what with Obama appearing on the View, but ABC is suggesting that the threat will have that exact effect, driving uncommitted supers to Obama:
March 27, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please sign a MoveOn petition in support of Speaker Pelosi re the Fat Cat threatening letter.
http://pol.moveon.org/democracy/
March 27, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, the fat cats have as much right to send letters of complaint to their public officials as much as any joe schmo citizen. Its a democracy.
March 27, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should Hillary denounce American citizens who write to politicians and tell them the reasons they will or will not continue to financially support them?
Turns out the Messiah Obama is a fascist who wants to call out activists for writing letters to the people they support.
March 27, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama wants to save the party by trashing the big donors for not being little donors.
Good luck with that, idiots.
March 27, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Extortion"?
So the DCCC is entitled to those dollars from American citizens, unconditionally? The DCCC is entitled not to receive letters of complaints from donors?
You Obama drama queens are ridiculous. You've destroyed the Democratic party in your search for an identity.
March 27, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You Obama drama queens are ridiculous. You've destroyed the Democratic party in your search for an identity."
If the Democratic party as defined by private letters to the leader of Congress demanding that rich donors get their way or they'll bail, good riddance.
Also, take a gander at the donors' personal giving for 2007 at OpenSecrets if you dare. Donations to HillPac, Clinton's campaign, and ardent Clinton supporters are far, far more prevalent than donations to the DSCC or DCCC. The donors signed onto the letter are, largely, putting their mouths where their money isn't.
March 27, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You Obama drama queens are ridiculous. You've destroyed the Democratic party in your search for an identity."
If the Democratic party as defined by private letters to the leader of Congress demanding that rich donors get their way or they'll bail, good riddance.
Also, take a gander at the donors' personal giving for 2007 at OpenSecrets if you dare. Donations to HillPac, Clinton's campaign, and ardent Clinton supporters are far, far more prevalent than donations to the DSCC or DCCC. The donors signed onto the letter are, largely, putting their mouths where their money isn't.
March 27, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the hell is your point. I can give nothing to either committee and still write all the letters I want.
March 27, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, name-calling, that intelligent past-time, followed by a profound show of ignorance. We should only be so lucky to bow to Queen Hillary and her denizens of change, right?
My identity's just fine. Every time someone in Hillary's camp comes out and tries to scorch Obama, I drop another $25 in his coffers.
Before long, maybe I can send a letter and be called a Fat Cat.
March 27, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Money is the mother's milk of politics.
"Good riddance" to rich donors to the Democratic party?
Smart.
March 27, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Big donors that demand that the party's leader in Congress show bend to their petty demands and do things that aren't in the political interest of the party? Yup. These donors combined gave under $1 million in 2007. That includes money to Hillary, which as I said is the bulk of it. Few of them maxed out their DCCC/DSCC contributions. Obama routinely raises more for his campaign alone on single days, and has done a great job pushing his small-potatoes supporters towards candidates that need help. What's more important to the DCCC? Potential $25,000 donations from a couple dozen pissy supporters hashing it out from their luxury boxes at the Elton John concert or the continued, proven, successful, and largely new support that they've seen generated by Obama's organization?
March 28, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't understand why all you people are worked up over this. Don't you know that this is Hillary's turn? We owe the nomination to her. The election process is supposed to confirm Hillary for the coronation, not give someone better the opportunity to take the nomination. Hillary Clinton and her supporters are very upset that they lost the Primary because they had to run against someone better.
March 27, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would more funny if there was a better candidate. So it actually is disappointing that a lesser candidate is winning.
March 27, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Horatio386 Wrote... "So Obama wants to save the party by trashing the big donors for not being little donors. Good luck with that, idiots."
Calling names now are we? You must be so smart to call the rest of us idiots. You must be one of the better-educated minions of Her Majesty Hillary Clinton. Did you pass kindergarten on the second try to come up with your logic?
Obama has not trashed anyone.
The point here is that these fat cat donors are demanding that the entire Democratic constituency be disenfranchised by trying to have super delegates over-rule the will of the voters. Apparently they want to own the Democratic party; they just don't want the party to be democratic. With people like this in our party destroying the party, who needs Republicans to bring us down?
And by the way, Obama has the support of million people who can donate $100. We don't need these rich fat cats and their sense of entitlement telling us to coronate their queen.
March 27, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats...,
The point is that there is a bigger debate about which constituency would be disenfranchised more. This primary has been a mess and Pelosi as a leader in the party has promised to stay neutral. Going on MSM and suggesting that the SD should not be independent is inappropriate.
March 27, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama said Clinton should denounce the letter and called it "inappropriate."
And I laugh when I hear Obama talk about the "democratic" way of relying on pledged delegates.
Obama doesn't want Florida or Michigan to vote and nobody here can deny that.
He thinks he's entitled to the nomination via affirmative action in the form of eliminating two HUGE states.
March 27, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
not true, Obama did not directly influence the revotes in either states.
Both decisions were made by the state. Please do some research instead of spouting Clinton talking points.
March 27, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
One problem. She's a Representative. 8th District. You know, the district Obama WON 53.7% to 43.3%.
Sometimes it pays to do a little research before writing something that might make you look...uninformed.
Feinstein has already endorsed, Boxer said she will cast her vote for Clinton at the convention because of the popular vote in CA.
March 28, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's not responsible for the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan. That came courtesy of their own Democratic Party leaders, who ignored the DNC rules that had been in place, since 2004 and leap frogged ahead of the Iowa caucuses.
By the way, it was Terry McAuliffe, one of the Clinton's staunchest allies, that instituted the rule to begin with.
March 28, 2008 4:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillzilla is really a power mad crumb bum. I hate it when I have to get technical.
March 28, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Those Jackson kids are adorable! What! No mention of Pink's outstanding performance--twirling and splashing water on all the celebs (help I'm melting) Her voice never quivered. Unlike, Taylor and Stevie--never liked Stevie I think her voice is awful. I do a great impersonation diziizle.com kinda Katherine Hepburn and Joan Rivers mixed together --volatile.sexs
August 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink