Hillary Campaign Calls On Obama To Fire Adviser Who Called Hillary A "Monster"
On a conference call just now, Hillary advisers and surrogates called on Obama to fire senior foreign policy adviser Samantha Power for calling Hillary a "monster."
"Personal attacks are not the way to convince voters that you're capable of being president of the United States," New York Rep. Nita Lowey, a key Hillary surrogate, said. "We're calling on Senator Obama to make it very clear that Samantha Power should not be part of this campaign."
"It's really a very important test for Obama," Lowey said, adding that whether or not he fired Power was a "test of character."
Rep. Gregory Meeks, an African American Hillary supporter, reiterated the call for Power's firing, saying that the only appropriate way for Obama to proceed is "Senator Obama saying that this person can no longer be associated with his campaign."
Hillary spokesman Howard Wolfson added a few more twists of the knife, suggesting that Obama's handling of the Power affair would demonstrate the "kind of leadership" Obama was prepared to show. Power has already apologized for the comment.
This is some serious hardball -- it's obviously all about trying to tarnish Obama's high-mindedness. More in a bit.
Late Update: Power resigns.















Absolutely not.
March 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. Hillary fired the NH guy who suggested Obama's drug use could be a problem.
2. In an MSNBC Democratic debate, Obama was confronted with the evidence that his campaign had released pages of talking points to the media in SC about Hillary being racist, and he said that these kinds of attacks were wrong in hindsight, but also "going forward". However he said it was a mistake, and no one was fired.
3. Here it happens again, an awful personal attack, and what will he do? If he doesn't fire her, it looks very, very bad.
4. The Starr comment was completely different - they were responding to Obama's calls to release her tax records by saying they were *acting* like Starr - ie going after things that weren't a big deal, but pretending they were. They weren't implying Obama *was* Starr.
March 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
So if Power said Hillary was "acting" like a monster everything would be copasetic? Riiiiight.
March 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
And right. Giving an extended interview where you talk about whether Obama was a drug dealer is the same as an off-handed comment about Hillary being a monster (that you immediately tried to take back and apologized for.)
Those are pretty much equivalent.
March 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Merle: 1. She didn't immediately try to take them back, she immediately tried to take them "off the record". Big difference! And the NH guy did apologise afterwards, too, but was still fired.
2. Re: Ken Starr, it all depends whether you think the Obama camp are trying to divert attention from important issues (ready for leadership) to unimportant ones (tax returns).
Regardless, if Power had said " I think Hillary was being monstrous in the way she pounced all over Obama on NAFTAgate, when her camp did the same thing", we wouldn't be having this argument in the same terms.
However, she said that Hillary *was* a monster, and needs to go.
March 7, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
" Hillary fired the NH guy who suggested Obama's drug use could be a problem."
They fired Mark Penn!! It's about time they fired that MONSTER>>>uh-oh...I just used the worst insult in the book...I should get the book thrown at me!
I thought Clinton was tough. Her campaign is acting like a bunch of pansies IMO.
March 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Samantha Power is not on the Obama campaign's payroll, so they can't fire her.
March 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. The link below describes her purpose on the campaign, and says that,"her stay in Washington will be funded by the Council on Foreign Relations, a nonprofit group that publishes the influential journal Foreign Affairs."
She's on a high-level internship with hopes of making the leap from academia to washington sort of like Condi Rice did.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=508336
How can he fire someone he doesn't pay?
March 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please!
Hillary Clinton positions herself as ready to be commander-in-chief and then acts like the archetypal "girl." "Teacher, Susan Power called me a nasty name! She shouldn't be able to play anymore." Major whining.
If Susan Power had said Hillary smoked crack, perhaps. But "monster" hardly cuts it. Sorry. Got to hand it to her she plays it both ways, and loses potential votes like mine in the process.
March 7, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
IF HILLARY IS NOT A MONSTER THEN SHE IS THE IRON WITCH OR THE OTHER WORD THAT SHE REALLY IS.Leave the man alone he has done No worse that Billarys people making fun of Obamas middle name.Go smoke that a while all you Clintonites!!!!
March 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
She should step aside voluntarily. This won't go away unless she does. It was a stupid comment, and if Obama keeps her on, he's going to have a hard time explaining why.
Make her step aside, and this story will die a rapid death. Keep her on, and we're going to be hearing and reading about this for some time.
C'mon Obama people. Learn to handle this sort of kerfluffle already. You dropped the ball, big-time, on the Nafta-gate (and yes, everyone, I KNOW that the whole thing was unfair, but life is unfair, so deal with it). Don't keep making these mistakes: the media has stopped giving you the relatively free ride that it has.
March 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Samantha Power is brilliant. Getting rid of her over some minor statements is absurd. Hillary needs to grow up.
March 7, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
delmoi is absolutely right. Samantha Power is far too valuable to the party and the country as a foriegn policy advisor to be let go. So, a foreign affairs expert is not great at campaigning. God forbid we keep someone around who focuses on substance. I care more about a sane approach to foreign relations than I do keeping someone out of government who used an unfotunate choice of words, off the record, halfway around the world, doing business having nothing to do with the campaign.
March 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody call the Wahhhmbulance! Sammy called Hilly a mean name. She's a mean girl. Waaahhhhh!
STFU, Hillary. If you can't take it when someone calls you a name, if you can't accept an apology when it is offered, then you are...
1. No Christian. Aren't you supposed to be turning the other cheek? Forgiving 7 times 70?
2. A hypocrite. Tina Fey calls you a bitch on national television and you laugh with delight? Anybody who takes this seriously has lost their damn mind. Yes, David Kurz. I mean you.
Oh PLEASE someone in the Obama camp! Bring up the Tina Fey comments. Ask Hillary why it is better for people to think of her as a bitch than as a monster? And then can we all get back to work?
March 7, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can see that. That's fair.
As soon as Hillary fires Mark Wolfson for comparing Sen. Obama to Ken Starr, Obama should get right on that...
March 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shouldn't Hillary fire herself for saying that she and John McCain are both qualified to be Commander-in-Chief and implying that Obama is not?
She's giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It's a treasonous act toward the Democratic Party. She should be shown the door and be radioactive to Democrats.
March 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
She should not only fire herself for many things she has said during this campaign, but she should also fire hubby Bill for all the times he has opened mouth, inserted foot.
Poor Samantha was just being totally honest. Hilliary IS a MONSTER!!!
I feel bad for all the young people who, for the very first time, became involved in the political process. What do they think of politics now? How much hope for the future do they have left? How long can it last?
I am a 50+ white female Viet-Nam era vet. This is the first time I have been excited about a candidate since Bobby Kennedy. But, one person is single handedly squashing all my hopes. I feel like crawling back into a hole and staying away from politics for the remainder of my years. Thank you Hillary for destroying hope and inspiration and the possibility of pride in the future of America again. I am ashamed of you, and I am ashamed at the entire Democratic Party for allowing this to continue.
I am shocked that the DNP has allowed her to run wild like she is doing. She is worse than a pit bull and should be put down just like the vicious dog that she is. She is going to destroy the whole party before she is done. She has already done a ton of damage.
I hear people talking about what a mess the Dem. are in and how they are their own worst enemy. The Rep. party doesn't need a plan of attack against the Dem. Just leave them alone and they will destroy themselves. Very, very sad that the powers that be (if there are any strong enough to stand up to Hill and Bill) continue to let this continue and let one candidate destroy what could have been a whole new generation of Democrats.
I guess this is nothing but POLITICS as USUAL. Silly me to think that it could have been different this time around.
March 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have to admit, Clinton has shown the door to several people in her campaign for similar incidents. Obama, as far as I can recall has yet to do so once. In fact they never even issued so much as apology as far as I know for Jesse Jackson Jr.'s remarks on the morning after NH.
March 7, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually they were fired for asking if he was a drug dealer and spreading the scary mooslim meme.
She didn't fire the people that called him a terrorist sympathizer.
Monster isn't even close.
March 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
The best response here would be to ask for Hillary to fire WOlfson for his Starr comments.
March 7, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, Lets pull out all the "Off the Record Comments" by Clinton's people and have a mass firing, with Wolfson first for the Ken Starr comment.
I do not think the Clinton's have the upper hand here.
March 7, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
This isn't serious hardball - this is utterly ridiculous!! Within 12 hours, Clinton has had a very respectful aplogy from Ms Power *and* from the Obama campaign, all for a private, impulsive statement that she immediately tried to keep off the record. --- How long did it take for there to be an apolgy of any sort from Bob Johnson, who intentionally uttered pretty 'negative' words in public, in Clinton's presence. And has there been any rejection of the foul-mouthed denunciation of Obama AND his supporters made by the union official in Ohio, also made in Clinton's presence. -- And "Shame On You, Barack Obama" isn't a personal attack? Where was the apology for that?
Nope, I don't think this bit of manufactured outrage is going to fly even with those who normally buy into HRC's far too frequent "victimization" routine.
March 7, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean Bob Johnson who was one of the key pushers of Bush's Social Security privatization PR efforts back in the day? Oh yeah, neither she nor he has apologized for that, and Obama's had the grace not to demand she disown Johnson or whatever whether it be for his 'in the neighborhood' comments, support of ass-clapping on BET, or saying Social Security's exactly like the Titanic.
Someone should compile a list of the innumerable Clinton advisors - high level, low level, whatever - who've said things that, by Clinton's standards, ought to see them out of work.
I love this Scottish paper trying to justify putting an out-of-context gotcha piece against power with that graph about "when is off the record off the record?"
March 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, idiots! do they think any politician will ever speak candidly with them again? amateurs.
March 7, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's IAMAW President Tom Buffenbarger, who is well known as a buffoon. Here are some other horrible comments that he made, other than the well known latte-drinking, Prius-driving, trust fund babies line:
“Barack so loved his own performance that he made Galesburg part of his presidential stump speech,” said Buffenbarger. “All he proved is that like Janus, the two-faced Roman god, he could ACT like a friend of the working man as he DANCED to the tune dictated by billionaires.”
Buffenbarger is another person who deserves to be evicted from the Democratic party, along with his candidate.
March 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on... if one of my surrogates had called my opponent a monster and then my opponent demanded I fire my surrogate you know what I'd say? "I'm not afraid of monsters."
You'd think a little namecalling is the worst thing that could ever ever happen in a campaign. That thinking is Obama's fault but come on.
March 7, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like that
"I'm not afraid of Monsters"
March 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
If said monster gets into the White House after destroying the Democratic Party, you better believe I'm afraid of monsters...
March 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
He should fire her, for sure. I don't think that she should necessarily be fired simply because of what she said, but if she cracked like this just under the pressure of the Ohio loss, it's better to get her out of the campaign before she says something worse and much more damaging to Obama.
March 7, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
How... monstrous.
How about Obama demand Hillary fire the guy who compared him to Ken Starr? Or, how about Obama demand Hillary fire the woman who compared him Unfavorably to John McCain? Oh wait.
Anyway, it would be insane to fire someone as brilliant as Powers over something so minor. But leave it to Hillary to spin something minor into the end of the world. I'm not sure how this constant delusional hysteria on behalf of Hillary is supposed to be for feminism.
March 7, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
(er, I mean Power. I mixed up her name in the above post)
March 7, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary, God forbid, should become president, hopefully she won't govern in the same petulant way she campaigns.
March 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think for the good of the campaign she needs to step aside. Obama just doesn't need anything to distract him and to provide her with another "woe is me" storyline.
March 7, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the "Monster" comment has positive legs for Clinton fatigue camp and I would not distance myself from it, but quite the opposite. I would let it sit in the public domain for the next few weeks as background.
March 7, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am a certified Hillary hater and I think Obama needs to fire this staffer. (He can re-hire her once he has the nomination locked up.)
March 7, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do you fire an advisor?
Are they hirees or advisers?
March 7, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
She took a sabbatical from Harvard to work full time for Obama.
Still, the smart thing to do would be for her to step aside, then step back in after the nom, or, even better, as national security advisor after the election. Hillary would like that.
March 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Memo to Hillaray's Campaign:
Obama should fire Power when you fire Wolfson and Penn, or when you drop out of the race for extolling McCain's credentials for commander-in-chief even though his judgment as to when to commit troops has proven to be disaster, not too dissimilar from Hillary's own judgment.
March 7, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like it. Good rule for moving forward. Anyone on either campaign who says something negative about the other candidate gets fired.
March 7, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bowing to the wishes of Hillary's surrogates shows strong leadership?
March 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
amen
March 7, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
To whom has she shown the door over such incidents? I don't recall that. In any case, she has had any number of aides, surrogates and her husband say outrageous things about Obama with impunity. I think the apology is enough, and deserved. It was a stupid comment.
I wonder why TPM seems to focus only on these sideshows in the race. You seem to be jumping on the bandwagon against Obama, if not helping to lead the way. Where is the focus on Clinton's problems, if you want to wallow in the muck? How about doing neither and starting to look at real differences between them that matter?
March 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton calls Obama a PLAGIARIST."
So?
"Clinton calls Obama a National Security RISK."
So?
"Clinton calls Obama a NAFTA LIAR ."
So?
"Clinton unsure if Obama is MUSLIM."
So?
"Clinton calls Obama Karl Rove."
So?
"...George Bush."
So?
"...Kevin Starr."
So?
"Clinton prefers McCain to Obama."
So?
"Obama aid calls Clinton MONSTER."
Outrageous! Shocking! Apologize! Fire the aid at once!
You know if the shoe were own the other foot and a Clinton aid had called Obama a monster, Hillary would have held a news conference and gone on every talk show in the country to make perfectly clear her disapproval. She would have said: "As far as I knoooow Obama's not a MONSTER... monster... monster." "I can see no evidence that Obama's a MONSTER... monster... monster." "MONSTER...? monster...? monster? No, I doubt if Obama's really a MONSTER... monster... monster."
In other words, in the very act of repudiating the crude remark, she would have magnified it a hundred-fold over three or four news cycles. That's not monstrous. That's devilishly shrewd.
And people wonder why Obama lost Ohio and Texas!
March 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your Right On The Mark...
March 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I call you... irrational. Or intentionally misleading, whichever you feel is more appropriate.
March 7, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my! How ever shall I choose?
March 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hehe, you can have 'em both if you like :-)
March 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh! I am undone!
March 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Clinton is such a good "fighter" why does she whine about the silliest little comments from an unpaid adviser. Power is a brilliant scholar and would be a huge asset to an Obama administration. she should not be fired for a stupid off-the-record comment.
March 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
exactly.
March 7, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did Hillary fire the folks passing on the Weather Underground smear? She is a monster. I thought that's what her supporters liked about her.
March 7, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama response should be, "We will fire her if the Hillary campaign finds and fires the person who darkened and widened our candidate's image for their attack ad. That kind of blatand appeal to racism is truly monsterous."
March 7, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I repeat. Get rid of this advisor. Now. The AP headline in Google news:
This is going to be used to hammer at Obama, over and over and over, no matter how stupid it is. Get. Rid. Of. Her.
March 7, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Give me a break. Hillary Clinton's campaign can dish it out but they can't take it? Cry me a river. I am so sick of this crowd. If she can't handle being called a "monster" then she shouldn't act like one.
March 7, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton should fire herself for lying about NAFTA.
March 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, she's obviously not ready for the 'fight' she says she's ready for. why doesn't she just go home? does she want to be in this race or not? what a wuss she is!
March 7, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quite frankly, the Clinton campaign is in no position to assert the moral high-ground on virtually any issue right now. It is becoming abundantly clear the Clinton strategy is to damage Obama to the point the Democrats, the superdelegates in particular, have no other choice but to give the nomination to her. The math is not on her side, that is indisputable, so you have to wonder how exactly you go about ensuring the nomination irrespective of that fact. While the explicit argument may be a moral claim to the nomination due to her victory in several large states, they know, and everyone else knows, that does not pass scrutiny.
March 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just when I think Hillary can't make me like her any less...Ms Powers shouldn't have said that but she apologized and Obama condemned the comments.
This is just vindictiveness though.
March 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Typical that the Clinton camp thinks rolling over and doing exactly what your oppnent wants shows leadership. That must be the kind of "leadership" she learned in her extra four years of Senate service. The same kind of "leadership" she demonstrated on Iraq.
March 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really hope Obama keeps her on because this will spill over into the major cable news channels this afternoon then he gets alot of bad press. If he's smart though he'll have her withdraw from the campaign and stop this bad press before it gets out of hand. And all Wolfson did was compare him to Ken Starr...he's pretty horrible but it's not like he called him Hitler or something worse. I think the monster comment goes a little too far, it's one thing to relate someone to a monster it's another to outright call them a monster. "Shame on you Barack Obama".
March 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's gonna be a little hard to fire someone who is an UNPAID ADVISER.
This is a little ridiculous. If the campaigns fired everyone who said something insulting about their opponent, Clinton would lose half her campaign. I mean, jeez, Bob Johnson says Obama's dealing drugs, and she doesn't even APOLOGIZE for it, let alone distance herself from the guy. And let's remember that Billy Shaheen in New Hampshire was not fired, he resigned.
Yes, I'm sorry Hillary's feelings were bruised. But can we stop playing the victim card all the time? It's tiresome.
March 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should say "What am I gonna do? Start paying her?"
March 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's kind of hard to fire someone who doesn't actually work for you. I imagine Power won't be used as a surrogate much anymore, but these comments were made in an interview about a book she wrote, not official campaign business. As far as I know, Power isn't on staff with the campaign.
March 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure he should fire her- just as soon as Hillary apologizes to the Democratic Party for endorsing McCain over Obama, and drops out of the race.
March 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
Why didn't you mention Wolfson's ridiculous defense of his Ken Starr comparison. He didn't apologize and actually lied and said he was talking about Obama's campaign when he was actually talking about Obama. There are more grounds for him to be fired than Power, who actually tried to take back her comment immediately and has apologized.
March 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wonder why Mr. "Hope and Dream" ends up claiming characters like you as his supporters.
Jake Tapper asks the question on everyone's mind:
"In December, Obama said he had "been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time."
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?"
March 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
You think Power had to do research to figure out Hillary's a monster?
March 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're absolutely right. Obama should be held to his word.
Ms. Clinton should as well.
There, Florida and Michigan don't count. Everyone involved said so back before the process began, so let's hold them to their word.
Problem solved. That was easy.
March 7, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't tell this to me. Tell this to the good Democrats of MI and FL. Tell them they don't count for anything because they had the audacity to vote before Feb. 5th.
March 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please. The state parties violated the rules. I think we're going to have a re-vote anyway. Obama will win Michigan an dlose Florida by a narrower margin.
March 7, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before commenting, it does not hurt to do some "research". FL Democratic party as of now is extremely weak with state government totally dominated by the Republicans. FL primaries are paid for by the state government. The Republicans decided to move the vote to Jan. 19 and was glad to take a 50% cut on its delegates. The Democrats asked to host a separate Primary after Feb. 5 and they were rejected by the FL legislature. They asked the DNC to finance a caucus after Feb. 5 and they were turned away as well. What exactly do you want the FL Dem. party to do?
Dean and DNC are extremely incompetent. At least RNC has the sense to allow FL to keep half of its delegates. DNC decided to strip all, every single delegates from FL. Is this insane or what?
March 7, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I call shenanigans!
It was an UNANIMOUS vote. Not a single Dem in Florida spoke out or voted against it. If they fought it tooth and nail, but lost in the end, you might have an argument...they didn't, so you have no argument. Shenanigans I say!
March 7, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Aimey - believe it or not, this staunch Obama supporter agrees that, given his message of honesty, transparency and a different kind of politics, Samantha Power should step down. It was incredibly stupid of her and it's not the type of thing that should make any Obama supporter proud, even if we feel vindicated and righteous given the level of animosity and nastiness coming from Clinton's campaign.
March 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey May - I think you missed an operative word in Obama's statement, which was "research" to tear someone down.
Samantha Power reacted emotionally, probably as a result of Hillary's very ugly behavior in the past week. And as a destructive comment, well, monter is pretty tame; particulary when you have Hillary's side comparing Obama to Ken Starr and saying that he isn't as qualified as John McCain.
Hillary has also "lashed" out and been forgiven. Why not extend the courtesy to an advisor, who has already fully apologized for the lapse in judgement.
Not too difficult and in fact, it's fair to take Samantha Power at her word, like we've taken Hillary at her word about getting carried away.
The pot can't call the kettle black, unless of course, the pot is a Clinton.
March 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was just gonna say that :)
March 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a true example of the dumbing down of the media. I'm disgusted with the coverage of this non story here & elsewhere in the media.
She screwed up, she apologized - enough. Aren't people allowed to make a mistake?
March 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. It's not like this was a planned comment. Or that she was introducing some out-of-bounds attack like the Lewinsky scandal. She just called her a name in the heat of the moment that she immediately tried to take back. And now she's apologized, so that should be good enough. But it's politics and the media wants to destroy Obama.
March 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully Obama will simply say, "piss off"
Monster isn't a four letter word and this doesn't meet the "threshold" of a campaign issue.
March 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, the media continues to show how absurd Clinton's "bias" complaint is. They do exactly what Stephen Colbert told them to do at the White House Correspondents Dinner -- write down whatever they're told by politicians.
How hard can it be to trot out an even more out-of-bounds comment by a formal Clinton supporter?
Clinton continues to play the media like a fiddle.
March 7, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. And, unfortunately, the Obama campaign helps her along with comments in unguarded moments.
Maybe a lot of people think Clinton is a monster. I do, myself, at times. HRC is just going to use this to manipulate the press further.
The "Obama advisor calls Clinton Monster" now pops up on the front page of Google News.
I guess it's one way to get publicity, but I wouldn't recommend it.
And everyone who is helpfully pointing out that you can't "fire" an unpaid advisor, true. But completely beside the point.
March 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
But she IS a monster!
March 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
SCREW YOU! You tried to make Obama into Jesse Jackson so white people wouldn't vote for him! Your people basically accused him of being an ex-crack dealer! One of your people just recently called him Osama bin Laden (accidentally). You've accused him of being Bush, Karl Rove and Ken Starr! Go to hell Hillary.
And this wasn't even supposed to be on the record, it wasn't like this was a campaign strategy.
March 7, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
i'm a dyed in the wool liberal, but nothing bugs me more than liberals demanding that people be fired because they said something that someone somewhere finds "offensive". we have to get over this petty crap, having this thin, easily bruised skin. do not fire her. she should not resign. talk about something important.
March 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to say this, but I think she has to go. I hate to see Obama cave in but he needs to nip this in the bud right away so that Hillary can't continue to use this shit against him. It was a stupid thing for her to say (even off the record - why in God's name did she trust that reporter, anyway???) Even with her apology, the Clinton campaign is not going to back down and will use this to their every advantage.
Remember the Edwards dust-up with the female bloggers he had hired because of some stuff they had written on their blogs (when they weren't even working for him at the time)? Those women stepped down pretty quickly when it became apparent that the story was gaining legs. I think Powers needs to do the same, in the interests of the campaign. Otherwise, the next few news cycles will be all Samantha Power, all the time, obscuring the real issues.
The argument to fire Wolfson is somewhat valid, but calling Obama Ken Starr is not the same as calling Clinton a "monster". Those are pretty strong words, even if she assumed it would be off the record.
March 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you have those things reversed. 'monster' is pretty much a grade-school level PG insult. Wolfson directly compared Obama to the guy who got her husband impeached! are people kidding???
March 7, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Proposing firing just makes them seem vindictive. It's like when HRC went off on that MSNBC reporter (can't remember his name) re pimping and suggested he get fired. Calling someone a "monster" isn't a great thing to do in a political campaign, even when it is accurate and deeply gratifying. But it's not a fireable offense.
Now, voting for a $3 trillion war that has cost countless lives and made us less safe ---- that should be a fireable offense.
March 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a two edged sword for Clinton: by making the "monster" remark an issue, she is also replicating the meme which will spread among the electorate and plant seeds of doubt. The backlash to the "monster" remark will come mostly from folks who already support her. Her best response was to shut up about it and go on with her negative campaigning.
For Obama, as suggested above, he probably has to remove Powers from any active role in the campaign. But also as suggested upstairs, he should also hit back and demand Wolfson's resignation for comparing Obama to Bill's nemesis Ken Starr. This will have the effect of hitting back at the same time reminding people about Bill's abundant failings.
By the way, why would the Clinton campaign want to remind everyone about the Bill and Monica follies? Strange.
March 7, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
nobody cares what you think IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
March 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a lovely crown!
March 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jealousy does not become you.
March 7, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, the damage from the remark is done.
I think right now the best thing for Obama to do is to let Hillary continue to rant about it. She never seems to have enough sense of proportion to know when she's gone too far with a point that started out to be legitimate.
It's a repeat of the David Shuster firing incident. Shuster's language gained Hillary sympathy, but her relentless attempts to get him fired and in the process muzzle the press really showed her ugly side.
March 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
A lawyer in a predominantly Democratic suburb of Cleveland relates this tale to The Swamp on the day before the all-important Ohio primary:
So last night around dinner time, the phone rings. It’s the Hillary campaign–official number, per the caller ID. The woman on the other end asks me if Hillary can count on my support Tuesday. I say I have not decided.
She asks what would help me decide. I say, “Well . . . maybe she can make Bill her vice president.” She does not know how to take me, of course, but has to assume I am serious. “I don’t think she can do that.” “Bill will have a significant role in major decisions, though, won’t he?” I ask. “Oh, certainly he will be very involved. Do you like Bill?” “Very much.” I reply.
She then launches into a two-minute spiel on all the very specific initiatives and proposals Hillary has put forth on health care, the war in Iraq, etc., etc. At the end of her spiel, she says, “And we haven’t heard anything that specific from Osama bin Laden.”
I say, “You did not just say that.” She replies, “I’m sorry . . . just a slip of the tongue.” She then thanks me for my time and encourages me to vote for Hillary on Tuesday.
The lawyer says he was "stunned" and tells The Swamp the call originated from the Clinton campaign in Columbus. Are the dirty tricks ramping up as we get down to the wire? Swamp readers in Ohio and Texas, relate your own encounters with the Clinton or Obama campaigns if you've had them.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/did_i_say_osama_i_meant_obama.html
March 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very disturbing.
March 7, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time."
Obama has an out - he can say Power didn't do any research to show Clinton is a monster.
March 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marie, Obama has another better out. He could hire you to replace Ms. Power.
March 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just a question, unless she's being paid by the campaign, can she can actually be fired? She's an adviser, not a paid staffer. So the best he could do, if I understand this correctly, is stop taking her advice and stop having her act as a surrogate.
And frankly, that's what he's got to do, otherwise he plays right into the "he's all talk, no action meme".
But let me say this, Obama is at a very dangerous point in this campaign. Dangerous in that it is clear that his senior campaign staff (Axelrod and others) think it's time to return fire in the same way the Clintons have, and that, in my mind is a mistake. Not just because it gets him down in the mud and distracted from the issues (and getting out his message, but because they are missing an unique opportunity to win this nomination in a matter of days. I'm not going to go into details, but frankly I'm surprised that he hasn't used her embracing of McCain more effectively to alienate her from the Democratic Party. There's an effective way he could do this, if framed probably, which puts her on the defensive immediately, and brings back ALL of the DLC, triangulating bullshit without ever mentioning those words.
It's there for him. He can unite the party and take this nomination BEFORE Pennsylvania. Let's see if has the vision to snatch what's dangling in front of his eyes. Well, at least in my humble opinion.
March 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great comment. Instead of doing this, his campaign is answering questions about the "monster" comment. Questions that wouldn't be asked if the individual in question publicly stepped aside from the campaign. Instead....
C'mon Obama. Do BETTER.
March 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
OMG! Grow the F*ck up. HRC's campaign has leveled every insult possible at him and one person calls her a name (that a lot of people agree with) and they want her fired? SHUT UP. You people are juvenile and embarrassing..no damned wonder there is such a thing as Clinton fatigue.
March 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
As namecalling goes, this was pretty mild. For Hillary to demand Powers' ouster over this make her look weak. What if she were President and Ahmadinejad was uncivil towards her? Would she tell the mullahs to fire him?
March 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to put his foot down tell Hillary that he doesn't need her input on how to manage his campaign.
March 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Using that logic she should fire Bill for his offensive comments; then she should fire herself for her own.
March 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
One thing is clear - the people saying the Dem primary should go for as long as it takes were seriously deluded. With every passing day, John McCain is closer to being the next President of the United States. Thanks, Hillary.
March 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
So I guess they are also suggesting Wolfson should be fired for calling Obama Ken Starr & Karl Rove? Those are far more slanderous names than "monster."
March 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
First I think that HRC must PROVE she is not a monster.
March 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's best response:
"I denounce and reject the notion that Hillary Clinton is a monster. She is not a monster as far as I know..."
When will the MSM fully vet the Clintons?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/09/wus609.xml
March 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
PERFECT!
March 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think giving in on this would a mistake for Obama. He should return fire and ask for Clinton to fire Wolfson as others have said. Frame it in a way to bring up the tax records issue again and see how Hillary responds. If he gives in here, it might makes him look weak. Just my opinion.
On the other hand, if Samantha Power leaves on her own accord, then the issue dies right then and there.
March 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was a metaphor, kind of like "commander-in-chief" threshold.
March 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
She might be brilliant, but she has exceptionally poor judgment in (a) talking to the reporter; (b) talking candidly to the reporter; and (c) exposing Sen. Obama to criticism and knocking him off message for yet another day.
Another rookie error from an inexperienced team.
Also, her comments are borderline hysterical. Is this the kind of counsel that we want anywhere near the Oval Office?
March 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton staged a nationally televised melt-down over a campaign mailer that offended her enormous ego.
I can't imagine her reaction to any threat, real or perceived, as President.
March 7, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
The way Clinton has run her campaign isn't borderline hysterical, it's OFF THE CHARTS HYSTERICAL. Is this what she's going to do when the leaders of Iran or Venezuela or wherever say mean things to her? I would like an adult in the White House, please.
March 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah. The Clinton's must be back.
All of America must be dragged into whatever Clintonian drama and trumped up OUTRAGE is on the agenda.
It's ALL about THEM.
How ARE Chelsea and Bill FEELING today? Are they ok? Is Hillary headed for another screaming melt-down? Can I get them a pillow? Better,can I get them a therapist?
I have Clinton fatigue already. Please, spare us the histrionics, Team Clinton. Getting sucked into another 8 year self-indulgent melodrama is NOT in the best interest of the United States.
March 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
" Hillary fired the NH guy who suggested Obama's drug use could be a problem."
They fired Mark Penn!! It's about time they fired that MONSTER>>>uh-oh...I just used the worst insult in the book...I should get the book thrown at me!
I thought Clinton was tough. Her campaign is acting like a bunch of pansies IMO.
March 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I could see Power stepping aside on her own to minimize the distraction associated with this non-story. I don't think she should and I sincerely hope really that she doesn't.
March 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Campaigning is all about slapping your opponent in the face and then saying, "Gee, I'm sorry about that." With the apology the Obama camp's side of the street is clean--no need to offer up meat for the lions.
March 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
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March 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is where BO needs to stand up and knock this story down. The HRC camp lofted up this BS demand, and it is perfect opportunity for BO to hit it out of the park. "You want to worry about your image? Fine, I'll worry about getting the American people affordable health care. You want play tit-for-tat school yard name calling games? Go ahead, I'll be getting us out of Iraq." and so on. No parsing of worried, no apologizes (let Sarah apologize for her own words, which she did), and move on.
March 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
pfft. this might mean something if Clinton had some kind of moral high ground, but she and her campaign say far, far worse things on a daily basis. sad to see TPM biting into this as if it weren't superficial bullshit. we need the rational voices to stay rational, please.
March 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with firing her over the term "monster" is that the term doesn't involve any demagoguery, hate speech, sexism, or really anything particularly nefarious. It certainly doesn't seem to rise to any sort of significant threshold; it seems too broad and ineffective to be construed as slander or libel. It's a woefully stupid thing to say to a reporter but it's not pointed enough to be a slur or an insult.
Really Hillary's just trying to throw her weight around, and see if she can make hay of this, but that doesn't mean she should get her way. In this way it's like the NAFTA issue. It was Hillary's campaign that actually contacted the Canadians but she was able to make that issue stick to Obama by pulling the Rovian move of preemptively attacking your opponent for things you could be accused of. If she can get Obama's campaign to fire Powers it's just another notch in her belt, but it's not something that there's any ethical need for.
March 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary needs to worry about her staff.
March 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he should fire her, or make her step aside or whatever. It would be a sign of weakness, and that is what Hillary want to show. She apologized, he answered, good bye. All the argument that Hillary is putting forward when she is siding with McCain is we are the tough ones. If Obama flinches now he is done. PA is coming. One good thing he has going for him is that now the hypocrisy of her campaign about NAFTA is out. His campaign can say to PA workers:"She duped the workers in OH, is she gonna do the same to you?"
I know that this is not the politics we wanna live, but right now is not Obama's choice, one thing is to be a good man, other very different is to be a weak man. People do not wanna see a weak one.
March 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, fire Samantha as soon as Howard pulls this off the Hillary website:
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/02/22/143137
In Case You Missed It: “Obama once visited '60s ‘terrorists’.” Read more.
Hell, no. Tell Hillaryland to deal with it. About time someone put a name to the face of her campaign. 3 AM? Meet 3's a crowd. This is a choice between 100 years of war and turning the page. If Hillary wants to play that down the middle, she's gonna have to deal with a majority of this country telling her: Hell, No.
She's trying to make Barack win "Miss Congeniality" while she runs off with "Most Likely To Succeed" ... not gonna happen.
Otherwise, show us some tax returns, and we'll consider trimming staff. What's on offer here? Anything? Or is this just more bluster from a campaign that's already lost?
No.fucking.retreat.
Please.
March 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should fire Power when Hillary fires Bill, Wolfson, and Penn.
March 7, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary: "she, she called me a monster!"
Hillary: "Senator Obama, you're not going to put with this aren't you? Fire her"
Hillary Clinton for President
March 7, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary can't win the general election. Her chief support is from 70+ geezers. Half of whom will be dead by the time the general election rolls around. Samantha Power should be the first woman president.
March 7, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are extremely insightful!!!
March 7, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight:
1. They want Obama to fire an adviser because she called Hillary a monster.
2. Hillary was ok with her husband screwing everything that moved before and during his presidency.
OK, got it.
And by the way, Greg Sargent, this isn't some "serious hardball." This is typical politics from the Clinton camp. Vilify your opponent day after day, then call foul when you don't like it coming back to you.
March 7, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, I'm personally more inclined to call on Josh Marshall to fire Greg Sargent for being such a biased, one-sided presence on the otherwise great TPM...
March 7, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Personal attacks are not the way to convince voters that you're capable of being president of the United States."
You have to admit that this was hilarious! Did that Clinton supporter mean to be so funny, or was it just a lucky hit?
And I'm sorry, but you'll have to explain to me what 'monster' means. Yeah, I'm an old fart, so I'm not up on the latest slang. Why, exactly, is 'monster' so slanderous? Can it be defined on a family-friendly website? What's the big deal here? Monster? That's a 'personal attack'? You've got to be kidding me!
Ignore it, Obama. Or better yet, laugh at it.
March 7, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am so very conflicted by these recent developments. On the one hand, I'd like to hear BO tell HRC to go "stick it". On the other hand, I am coming to see that argument that HRC will pound this issue into the ground and thusly negate BO's chances. Ultimately, I would like to see him taking a more decisive stance against Hillary's sheinagans (sp).
All this shite is getting real tiresome as of late.
March 7, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama shouldn't fire Power. She made a stupid comment, Obama denounced and rejected it, and she apologized. End of story.
If each campaign "fired" people who made stupid or inopportune comments, they would each have skeleton crews.
March 7, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
All Ms. Power has to do is say that, as far as she knows, Hilliary is not really a monster
March 7, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that Hillary *is* a monster and Power was offering a dispassionate appraisal. I mean, no one believes that Hillary is an actual person, do they?
March 7, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
She is over reaching. This is like South Carolina all over again. The win something. The get all excited. They go negative. They turn off independents and they lose big. See what the story is on Wednesday when Obama has netted twice as many delegates in the week since then she did last Tuesday.
March 7, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign should fire Sam Powers when the Clinton campaign fires Penn and every other idiot who insulted the "second class citizens" of the states that don't matter.
March 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is a monster. Her votes and acts as a Senator who supported Bush's War have resulted in the documented deaths of more than 81,000 Iraqi citizens and to date 3,974 brave American Soldiers.
Obama is a better person than I am - I'm sure he doesn't agree with his aide or me. That doesn't mean there is cause for him to fire somebody over her telling the truth.
March 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
HOLY CATS!! YAHOO IS REPORTING HILLARY MAY BE BOWING OUT ON IT'S FRONT PAGE.
4th headline for some No one else is confirming, but check out the 4th headline right now!!!!!!!
March 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
You lost me. Last I saw, Sam resigned and I'm despondent.
March 7, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was wrong. Obama should "stand his ground", defend his honor, be above the fray...be an adult...the Clintons need to grow up...this isn't that bad of a comment...so on and so forth.
And I'll just settle back and watch the news cycle that will be all about how Obama isn't running as highminded a campaign as he says...about how it's not really a new kind of politics...so on and so forth. But he'll have stood his ground, and gotten mowed over by the moronic media. And then all of us Obama supporters can complain about the stupid media. Maybe we'll feel better with all that complaining. But Obama will have an even larger chip in his armor.
March 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Monster? Please! Sure, she’s a liar, a back-stabber, and a corrupt politician with a lust for the power that “corrupts absolutely”. But she couldn’t take on, like, Godzilla or something. She’d get squished like a toad.
We should be more precise in our descriptions of her. That way, we won’t have to apologize and we can all keep our jobs.
March 7, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another astute remark, W.F. Buckley would be so proud to read this discussion.
March 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
>>>>>All Ms. Power has to do is say that, as far as she knows, Hilliary is not really a monster>>>>
That's good.
March 7, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well she stepped down, hopefully win Obama is president she can get her job back.
March 7, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
My first question is: who the hell annointed Hillary with the power to go around, having reporters and campaign advisors fired, whenever her wrath has been incurred?
Secondly: if Obama actually does fire her on demand, he's toast. His supporters demand a candidate who will stand up to attacks. Capitulation to the Hillary camp will cost him all his base support, and his mo. Let's hope that "change" really does mean no longer going after the vanilla vote.
Finally, I disagree with David Kurtz on this one. This "problem" the Obama camp now has is a fantastic problem, a gift from God, if you will.
Consider: Obama does nothing further; Wolfson/Penn/Clinton keep hammering and hammering and hammering that "YOU NEED TO FIRE THE ADVISOR WHO CALLED HILLARY A 'MONSTER'!"
"Monster... Hillary... monster... Hillary..."
Say it again. And again. Yeah, just keep doing that.
Get it, yet?
March 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was an off-the-record comment. What's amazing is the paper printed it, then printed her stating that that was off-the-record.
She and Obama should apologize and move on. Clinton could, if she had any damn panache, say "Damn right I'm a monster!" But she'd rather play the shrieking victim. It reminds me of the shock and outrage -- OUTRAGE!!! -- from the Republicans when Whoopie Goldberg made some off-color jokes.
March 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
wilmac,
what if she's more like a Terminator--looks and talks somewhat like a human, but you can tell something's a little bit off--she'd be crushed by Godzilla but would immediately reform in a pants suit, waving around fliers and asking the beast if he isn't "ashamed" of himself for daring to contest her supremacy.
March 7, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
She sure spends a lot of time calling for people to be fired...
It's time to fight back against this monster, although in a nice, civilized, way! :) Let her use the guns; the good guys will win out in the end...
BO is a little like Jimmy Stewart from Destry Rides Again.
(From Wikipedia...) Destry believes in law and order, but not in guns. This is the paradox of the film. A casual observer might think he was a pacifist. But he does believe in using force, just not in violent shoot-outs..
Destry is actually the most forceful man in town. When the sheriff talks of quitting, because Destry refuses to challenge the bad guys with guns a-blazing, Destry grabs his shoulder and turns him around. "You're not going back to being the town drunk!" One man calls him "No Gun Destry", but he asks if he can heft the other's guns. He then shoots the knobs off a sign and angrily tells the much subdued gun owner, "The next time, I'll put you in jail..... No pacifist, Destry punches out Jack when he insultingly accuses him of accepting bribes from Kent."
Here endeth today's parable...
March 7, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hell no he shouldn't fire her. Saying that you think someone is a "monster" is obviously a statement of opinion. Intimating that someone is a drug dealer is an attempt to enter into the factual record a dubious claim. She apologized and I think that should be the end of it. He should just ignore the Clinton folks if they try to hammer this over the next couple of days. I really think most people could not care less about this. If the Clinton people won't let this issue go it will eventually just make them look petty, if it hasn't already.
March 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is Hillary a monster? No, absolutely not, well...not as far as I know.
This is very small potatoes compared to all the trash talking coming out of the Clinton camp of late. Don't do it, Barack. Stand firm.
March 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
No freaking way do you let go someone with the mind of Samantha Power. Those of you Obama supporters that think that highmindedness is going to work against this snake in the grass, nasty harridan named Shrillary Clinto-Lieberman, really need to lay off the hard stuff. You think who advises someone matters?
Perhaps you should win a Pulitzer or teach at the Kennedy School at Harvard before you cast aspersions at Samantha Power. None of us are nearly as worthy and she didn't utter a single untrue word. Everybody already knows that Shrillary will do or say anything to win an election. I'm surprised that you namby pambies haven't noticed the perfect Rovian trap that Shrillary has laid before Obama.
March 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
But she IS a monster.
March 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
athenian stranger, that was really mean! I was hoping against hope that when I went to Yahoo news, what you wrote would be true!
March 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton wants David Shuster fired.
Clinton wants Samantha Power fired.
If negative remarks against Hillary lead to losing a job, don't look for the unemployment numbers to improve anytime soon.
March 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well it's a moot point now, she has.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/obama_adviser_5;_ylt=AtARGOHBcWGPUBXFQTlarklh24cA
March 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is about the Hillary camp trying to dominate Obama-not just "win" the media cycle with their high dudgeon/pot calling kettle behavior but to show they can make him do what they want him to.
Obama absolutely should not "fire" this advisor. She has apologized. End of story. (so have Hillary surrogates who said things they shouldn't have. let's all move on)
Obama should take a stand, refuse to kow tow and then pivot away from these attempts at distraction to the issues that really matter.
March 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
You can't have official (or even unofficial) advisers making ad hominem attacks when speaking even off the record ("official" means coming out of or acting on behalf of someone's office). It reflects badly on you; it's the kind of thing that people remember ("aren't those Obama people so insulting?!"); and it takes the focus off policy and onto personalities. Obama can't afford to look weak or vacillating. He has already drawn a line in the sand and now he has to act decisively -- like a leader.
March 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Sargent (the Hill Shill) strikes again. I'm wondering why this story about irrelevant name-calling is more important than Clinton's outright lie about the NAFTA situation. Why haven't you covered that? That ACTUALLY has something do with the ... issues.
March 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you happy now, mOnStEr? She resigned for you, mOnStEr. All for you.
Now mOnStEr, will you please resign from the Senate after your disasterous vote for war in Iraq? I doubt very seriously your robotic arms can keep out the blood that has been spilled upon your hands.
March 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just lost a lot of respect for Obama.
March 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why? He did the right thing.
March 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn! I read the whole article that seemed to be about Hillary bowing out and it turns out it's just some dumb addition they are making to the space station. They need to watch their headlines.
"Monstrous Robot heading into Space"
What else were we supposed to think? Good grief. Oh, and don't worry, Wolfson, I've already fired myself. This egregious lack of character and taste reflected so badly on me that I can't be trusted to enable the next preemptive war.
March 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Crap - she just resigned. I think it is good to get rid of this as a story but I think she was a really good advisor otherwise. Maybe she can still find a way to help.
March 7, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
WHY isn't there outrage over Clinton's BIG NAFTRA LIE? None of the MSM I watched this morning covered that AT ALL. What is going on here? That outrageous deception in all probability tampered the results of the election.
Why is she skating along unaccountable for this?
It is very apparent the "fix" is in place.
She has been annointed the nominee, and there is not a damn thing any of us can do about it!
Hillary Clinton and all of her co-conspirators, including those in the media ARE dispicable monsters. It's going to be their way or the highway and we better get used to it.
Clinton is the new Karl Rove.
I guess the November election will be a choice between the lesser of two evils. I haven't decided if I will sit it out or vote for her buddy McCain. Either way, we have at least four more years of George W. Bush.
Depressing, to say the least.
March 7, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
And she's resigned. It was probably a necessary move because you know Hillary wouldn't stop bitching about it and, hell, after he's the nominee he can bring her back. But it's unfortunate.
March 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Power just resigned. Is everyone happy now?
March 7, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ohio Guy has it right >>I think right now the best thing for Obama to do is to let Hillary continue to rant about it. She never seems to have enough sense of proportion to know when she's gone too far with a point that started out to be legitimate.
An impulsive (and frankly rather insignificant) mistake was made and immediately apologized for -- end of story. Frankly, I would be disappointed in Sen. Obama if he wasted one more second on this matter: HE (although apparently not the Clinton campaign) has more important things to do.
And if she reacts like this to a mere word, can you bear to THINK about what she would do if subjected to the villification from nuts and foreign leaders that every President gets???? I tell you: elect Clinton and we're going to wind up longing for the half-way civil and decorous days when George W Bush was in the White House. I am NOT kidding!!
Just let her keep howling. She looks far more stupid doing so than any amount of name-calling by someone else could achieve.
March 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton just seems tone deaf on this one. Wouldn't the better response have been to say something like, "I recognize that when you're young and excited about participating in your first national campaign, you say things that you later regret. I'm sure she didn't mean it." Take the high road and suggest youth and inexperience . . . .
March 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, she resigned. This isn't good.
One may hope that she did it by mutual consent, to get the story off the front pages.
But this still is damamging for two reasons:
1. Obama is now without a woman who I am led to believe is a valuable asset (I applaud the commentor who suggested that they demand Wolfson resign first!);
2. The Hillary camp, whether Samantha Power was fired or resigned, is still going to claim a scalp. Henceforth, reporters will tread lightly on Clinton; the Obama campaign will be more measured in its future attacks (this is not to say Hillary's attacks are gonna be scaled-back, anytime soon.)
As bellwethers go, this is a very bad one for Obama. The monster is now more powerful than ever.
March 7, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm disappointed in Obama because by quickly capitulating to the Clinton team's rabid demands, he makes himself look weak and plays into their hands. Samantha Power is a brilliant scholar and Pulitzer Prize winner. She's been thrown under the bus because of an offhand remark. He should have said something to the effect of: "Samantha Power shouldn't have said that, she's apologized, and in my campaign we recognize that people get stressed out and make unfortunate, off-the-cuff remarks. I think everyone has made a mistake like this before, and I'd ask the Clinton campaign to accept her sincere apologies, and let's move on and talk about the issues."
If he had said that and the Clinton people had kept it up they'd have started looking petty pretty damn quickly. Is he gonna run every time something negative comes up? He should have stood his ground and stood by one of his closest advisers.
March 7, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Hillary clarifies. She's a fire-monster. Who else should be fired Hill?
This is the stupidest bunch of panty-twisting I've seen since the "pimping" comment. "Resignation" is the best non way to deal with this non event. Power has no real campaign role anyway, so the whole thing is meaningless.
Here's hoping Mrs. Firepants keeps to the warpath on this one. Maybe she should suggest that the Nobel prize be shut down if they hand out their prizes to monst....ah...people of compromized character like Samantha Power. I mean, how could anyone that criticises the Clintons be given an AWARD??!!
March 7, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
First it was "Fire Shuster!" now this. (BTW, her apparent initiating of the whole "working the refs" angle by going after Shuster reminded me of how Bush Sr. went after Dan Rather on-air during his '88 campaign. Same petty, opportunistic bullying B.S. My wild guess is that the advice to target Shuster came from Bill who, in turn, got it from H.W.)
As for Clinton's call for Obama to fire Samantha Power and that his decision whether or not to do so somehow amounts to some "test of character," puh-leeease. What Power said, although highly subjective, was neither inaccurate nor was it terribly offensive, IMHO. Granted it wasn't circumspect, but compared to the Clinton campaign's recent mudslinging and, in the case of the whole Machiavellian Canada NAFTA-gate hullabaloo, outright dirty tricks, that "monster" comment was trivial.
If Hillary wants to cry "intemperate," I'll give her intemperate. Her futilely rapacious Wile E. Coyote bid for the nomination has ceased to be a campaign and has instead morphed into the political equivalent of a yeast infection, one which will not merely irritate but also compromise the health of the party going forward.
There, I said it, and admittedly in the same petty and ineffectual tone we've heard from Clinton and her surrogates time and again. Of course I recognize that more inflammatory language won't solve the problem of this campaign's runaway negativity. But hey, if Clinton's going to whine about intemperance, let's at least have an accurate calibration.
Perhaps now her campaign would like to have me banned from the internets. Whiners.
March 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
BRILLIANT.
March 7, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, now that she resigned, will Camp Hillary declare that Obama's campaign passed this "test of character" or that it demonstrated the "kind of leadership" Obama was prepared to show.
Naw, because they don't really care about values such as these. They only care about winning.
March 7, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
The question here is "how does this look to senior party members who will eventually have the final say regarding the nominee??" The answer: Obama acts swiftly and decisively in accepting the resignation, indicating that negative campaigning will not be tolerated.
March 7, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another possible answer: When Hillary says jump, up Obama goes. Great VP qualities...
March 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's campaign is built on lies after lies and Power has been fired for exposing it!!! You think she should stay? Me too!
Power Shocker II: Adviser Pulls Back on Obama Iraq Pledge
PAUL J.RICHARDS/AFP/Getty Images
Foreign policy confidant and TIME contributor tells yet another overseas interviewer that troop withdrawals might not come as fast as promised: “He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator.”
“You can’t make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009. . . . So to think – it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, ‘Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.’”
Watch BBC interview here.
March 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Samantha Power was touted by some as a potential member of the Obama cabinet. Her recent comments are inconsequential, at least compared to what she has said about the Middle East conflict.
Power, being interviewed at Berkeley (4/29/02):
Let me give you a thought experiment here, and it is the following: without addressing the Palestine - Israel problem, let's say you were an advisor to the President of the United States, how would you respond to current events there? Would you advise him to put a structure in place to monitor that situation, at least if one party or another [starts] looking like they might be moving toward genocide?
I don't think that in any of the cases, a shortage of information is the problem. I actually think in the Palestine - Israel situation, there's an abundance of information. What we don't need is some kind of early warning mechanism there, what we need is a willingness to put something on the line in helping the situation. Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially mean sacrificing -- or investing, I think, more than sacrificing -- billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel's military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence. Because it seems to me at this stage (and this is true of actual genocides as well, and not just major human rights abuses, which were seen there), you have to go in as if you're serious, you have to put something on the line.
Unfortunately, imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is dreadful. It's a terrible thing to do, it's fundamentally undemocratic. But, sadly, we don't just have a democracy here either, we have a liberal democracy. There are certain sets of principles that guide our policy, or that are meant to, anyway. It's essential that some set of principles becomes the benchmark, rather than a deference to [leaders] who are fundamentally politically destined to destroy the lives of their own people. And by that I mean what Tom Freidman has called "Sharafat." I do think in that sense, both political leaders have been dreadfully irresponsible. And, unfortunately, it does require external intervention, which, very much like the Rwanda scenario, that thought experiment, if we had intervened early.... Any intervention is going to come under fierce criticism. But we have to think about lesser evils, especially when the human stakes are becoming ever more pronounced.
March 7, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It turns out taking down Power might have been a little retaliation for Power exposing Bill's foreign policy blunders back in the 90s:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/28240291
The plot thickens..
March 7, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ever notice how each time Hillary pulls off an upset, she is attacked with personal comments as was done after New Hampshire when she was accused of cry baby and whiner.
Now she wins Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island and Obama supporters call her a "monster".
We can expect some more personal attacks after Penn. I suppose.
I think it says something about the mentality of the Obama crowd, overall.
Rae
March 7, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama supporters are launching ad hominum attacks on Hillary Clinton all the time. Powers didn't say anything you won't also hear on Air America every day. What a terrible person Hillary is, what a liar she is, what a monster. That's what happens when you join a cult. Everyone who isn't in your cult is evil, and especially when they're right.
March 8, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink