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Hillary Ad: "I Know Your Traditions And Culture"
Hillary Clinton has a new ad in Texas, in which the candidate speaks to the camera accompanied by Spanish subtitles:
"I have many friends in Texas. I know your traditions and culture," Hillary says. "But I also understand the problems you face."
(Via Ben Smith)
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Bill: Well, you know, Jesse Jackson likely carried Texas.
Hillary: Some of my best friends are Texans!
[repeat ad nauseam]
March 2, 2008 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other's trying to get you to think; if one is appealing to your fears, and the other is appealing to your hopes - it seems to me you ought to vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."
Bill Clinton
March 2, 2008 3:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
She knows the traditions and cultures, yet is threatening to drag the election process into a court, and as per her manual trying to hijack the caucuses.. I have not seen a bigger hypocrite on the national stage as hillary..
March 2, 2008 6:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
she nows their culture and traditions? Fuck. It's not Mexico. It's Texas. They're fucking Americans. Most of them are from families who have been American citizens longer than Clintons family. Some can trace their roots back to people who fought for Texas' independence. They may have "spanish" name, but they're fucking Americans. Her grandparents on her father's side were immigrants from Wales. She's a second generation American. She is such a putz.
She sucks so bad. McCain would absolutely clean her clock.
Please, god, make it stop.
March 2, 2008 6:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
What, is she Clifford Geertz parachuting in among the Javanese?
March 2, 2008 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's only 8:30 in the morning, you may have already won the coveted TMP Post of the Day®. Congratulations.
March 2, 2008 8:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heinrich, you are one awesome orangutan.
March 2, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh dear. I can't think that's going to go over all that well. How can you understand someone if you have to communicate through subtitles?
March 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is this some kind of gambit where you purposely put out ads with zero production value to seem more "authentic"? I don't mind the subtitles so much, but the ad just looks lousy and hurriedly put together. Background, lighting, delivery...not good imho.
March 2, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
what she says "Vote for me and I will always be there for you"
what she means "I'm a lot like David Banner. You don't want to see me when I'm angry (like those other states that don't count will see when i am president)"
March 2, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Am I the only one who thinks that the Spanish subtitles are patronizing to Texas Hispanics? I have never been in Texas, but my guess would be that practically any Hispanic who is going to vote on Tuesday does not need the subtitles. Not that she would any votes by having subtitles, but it does betray her claim that she understands their tradition and culture.
March 2, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm surprised that Obama hasn't bothered to learn Spanish. A weekend intensive conversation course would have done wonders.
But Hillary, who has been visiting these people since 1972, as she never tires of saying, and who lived in the state next door for a long time, claims to know them so intimately without ever having learned the language of the culture she is supposedly such a maven of? Phony, phony, phony.
But I think it would really behoove Obama to learn some Spanish. It's a big reality in some communities, after all.
March 2, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, a weekend conversation course for Obama would do far more harm than good. Think of how many English-speakers react to, say, Mexicans who've just come over, trying to speak the limited English they know. You can learn the words, but accents, appropriate usage, etc. take far, far longer to learn than a weekend.
Such an act on Obama's part would, 100%, be "heard" as pandering, and I applaud him for being honest about how much Spanish he knows, and not trying to "fit in".
March 2, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree that complete ignorance is ever preferable to knowledge that is partial. To compare the reaction of speakers of a majority language to that of speakers of a minority language when a person takes enough interest to dip into their culture is, I think, not the best way to look at what I suggested.
I didn't man to imply that he should pose as an expert -- which would have the ill effect that you predict --, and I've heard people in Quebec joke about Queen Elizabeth's accent in French. But they would be mortally offended if she didn't speak it at all.
The implication that it would be beneath Obama's dignity to speak Spanish in a non-native manner is, I think, part of the problem I'd like to see him dispel. (And he does say the phrase of legalese at the end of Spanish-language ads very poorly indeed, and I think that's far better than what Hillary does by staying with English-only.)
I in fact have a great deal of experience work with hispanics in this country, and am closely acquainted with relevant issues of linguistic politics. These lead me to believe that the politician (especially one who is already part of a minority group) who is willing to show that he doesn't consider their *actual* culture (as opposed to putting on a sombrero or chomping a tamale) contaminating will be helped enormously by that simple demonstration.
I'm hoping that Obama's candidacy doesn't need that boost, but the position of hispanic citizens in the eyes of some of us may.
March 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dirk, I think you missate the question: While it certainly wouldn't be "beneath Obama's [or Clinton's] dignity" to learn Spanish, it would be extremely dicey politically for him to campaign in Spanish.
I'm pretty certain he doesn't speak it well enough anyway, but even if he did it would make no sense to do it in an ad or on the stump, for the same reason that, every time he describes his immigration plans, he mentions requiring undocumenteds to learn English as a condition for citizenship. It would be seen as an endorsement of the idea that this is, or should be, a bilingual country, which in much of America would be roughly as popular as outlawing straight marriage.
I think a president on a state visit to Mexico, say, could look good speaking at least some Spanish, or at least trying, a lá JFK in Berlin; but that's quite apart from using it to try and win a domestic election.
Besides, I suspect suntzu is correct in saying that most Hispanic likely-voters can get by without the subtitles in Hillary's ad; unless perhaps it's intended to run on Spanish stations?
March 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's too busy trying to kick the nicotine.
March 2, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
mmmmm...nicotine...
March 2, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
To Hillary's (slight) credit, she did seem embarrassed when she stated in one of the debates that she had never been able to learn another language. Why not, I don't know. Barack has probably forgotten his Indonesian; I don't know if he speaks anything else.
March 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama hinted he still recalls some of his Indonesian; he cracked a joke yesterday about the huge Indonesian population in the US he could court. :)
But I'll second, based on personal experience, the defense of Hillary. I'm an American who's been doing Middle Eastern Dance for 2 decades now. Granted, Arabic's a HARD language, but I still know more of the French I took in High School than the language of the culture the dance I do comes from. Sometimes language just works that way, in one's brain, and I don't dig Hillary for it.
March 2, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually Hillary is bilingual. She is a fluent user of Doublespeak!
March 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although Obama does target ads to Spanish speaking Americans, he addresses concerns they would have in common with Americans of all other backgrounds instead of addressing their concerns as being different.
It is not surprising. Obama has done the same when addressing his own race. The issues he discusses in front of a black audience are not race issues but concerns all Americans have.
And yes, civil rights affect us all.
March 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Being Hispanic did not convince Texas Hispanics to vote for Tony Sanchez as governor back in 2002 just because he was one of them. Hillary's attempt to ingratiate herself via ethnic pandering may fall on skeptical ears.
March 2, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
This ad reveals what I think is a backward tone that comes through in too much of what Hillary says.
I'd be more convinced that Hillary Clinton viewed the welfare of the American people as top priority if she didn't say things like this in her ads: "stand with me and I'll always stand up for you."
Why the conditions, Hillary?
Did you mean to say "stand with me SO I can stand up for you"?
It's a government of the people; all public servants have a duty to stand up for the people they represent.
If Hillary's true passion is to stand up for the American people, she'll find a way to do that no matter what the outcome of this election.
Furthermore, Hillary knows the only way any candidate can "stand up" for people and help make any really Meaningful changes is to encourage more Americans to stand up for themselves, run their own government, and ensure their voices are front and center in Washington.
I would have rather heard Hillary say this:
"Never forget that you have the ability to make the changes you want by using the power of your votes and by participating more in the political process of your government. It's my goal to encourage more Americans to use the power of their votes and voices to help make the changes they want to make. I hope you'll give me the honor of leading you in that effort."
March 2, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting that she knows the "traditions and culture" of the people of Texas, but she never bothered to find out about the way their nomination process works and is now attempting to litigate and disrupt it to her benefit.
Unless she's trying to say that the people of Texas love embittered cheaters, I'm not sure she's backing up her claims here.
March 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I can verify it, their traditions do include trying to hijack their own caucus system:
http://thepersonalispolitical.tumblr.com/post/27762247
And I do agree with the above poster pointing out the fact they are Americans. Why the hell is she speaking to them like she is some kind of ambassador from another planet?
March 2, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe this ad would work better if it didn't sound like she was speaking to 10 year olds.
March 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is shocking to me how the least little thing-- this perfectly anodyne ad by Senator Clinton-- can be dissected by the hate obsessed in their relentless effort to defame.
March 2, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you'd have to go back to her other perfectly anodyne television ad where she directly asserts that Obama does not have the experience or competence to protect America's sleeping children in the wee hours of the morning.
Until this thing is over, you might notice some unhappiness with Senator Clinton in some circles.
March 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
You reap what you sow. If you mock and denigrate people enough, you shouldn't be surprised when they get a little ornery.
March 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did she use the phrase "you people"?
March 2, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
In response to DemD: Remember back when Bush was becoming unpopular? You know, because of that little unauthorized war of his? And do you remember how his staunch supporters defended him from the growing chorus of critics? Yes, by calling all his critics "Bush haters."
The implication of this defense, of course, was that the critics had no valid criticism of Bush. The critics were simply driven by irrational hatred.
So do you really want to stoop to this level in defending Hillary? Are you going to start questioning our patriotism next?
March 2, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
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March 3, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I expecting a "ustedes necesitar votar dos veces!" in there somewhere.
March 2, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is impossible for her 3 a.m. ad to "directly assert that Obama does not have the experience or competence to protect America's sleeping children" because that ad never mentions Obama. It asks "Who do you want" to answer the phone. Obviously the implication is that Clinton has what it takes. As negative ads go it is pretty mild-- the emphasis is on her ability. It does not even necessarily suggest that Obama does not have what it takes, merely that Clinton has more of what it takes. This is a perfectly legitimate point to raise, whether one agrees with it or not. I happen to think they both have what it takes so for me it is a moot question.
My objection is that Clinton is continuously pilloried for the mere practice of politics. This ad about "I know your traditions and culture" is an appeal to the Latino vote. So what? That is what politicians do. They make requests for people's support.
March 2, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is nothing wrong with the "practice of politics" as you call it. However, when you take into perspective the entire tone of her campaign as well as the things that she says publicly while on the campaign trail that frankly do more to denigrate Barack Obama than they do to sell the narrative of experience and competence, you might get some of the annoyance you're seeing here. If Hillary thinks that she is the more experienced, I have no problem with her saying that and have not throughout the campaign. But when you start making statements and airing ads that very well may have come directly from the vaults of the RNC, then I do have a real problem with that.
As for Obama supporters in general, it's a tough sell to tell people who have been denigrated constantly and called unrealistic and starry-eyed by Clinton and her backers to not look at her with some degree of scepticism.
March 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course raising the issue of who do people want answering that phone is a legitimate one. It is a foolish one for her to bring up though. For many that answer is anybody except her.
March 3, 2008 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
quiet city: There is no substantive criticism of Clinton in the comments above-- nothing objecting to her vote on Iraq, her health care plans, her stance on NAFTA, or any other policy. I described her ad as anodyne in part because it was so bereft of policy positions that it struck me as hard for anyone to object to anything she said in it. That being the case, the hatred that spewed forth in the contents above was even more contentless than her ad. I feel no obligation to remain silent just so some people can enjoy contentless Hillary hatred without being challenged.
To compare my objections to the efforts of Bush defenders to counter specific attacks on his policies, ideology, and incompetence is in itself an ad hominem attack against me.
March 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
DemD, I understand the point you're making. I've never been a fan of the 2-minute hate myself. My point is that Hillary Clinton has brought this on herself. When you mix the perception of arrogance and duplicitous with a healthy degree of incompetence, you might pick up a high amount of negatives. Ask George Bush. Not that I'd suggest Hillary Clinton is in any way George Bush-like, which is something that Hillary Clinton has been going to lengths to suggest lately with Obama.
Hillary Clinton started out this campaign with amazingly high negatives. Sometimes the best way to get out of a hole is to just stop digging.
March 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I need help.
I have watched this ad 6 times. I have no clue what Hillary is talking about because I am obsessed with watching Hillary's head move as she talks, but always stay centered under the drapes.
Notice the color alignment of the drapes and Hillary's blouse and bling.
But the drapes are not perfectly symmetrical.
That is the part that really bugs (obsesses) me.
One side is straight and the other is gathered.
What is the deep subtle meaning?
March 2, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You will note that on the gathered side is a potted plant, signifying the Hillary has gathered up and controlled the forces of nature to be used for the betterment of human kind. On the straight side is a rectangular picture frame with a matted yet unidentifiable picture, signifying that she has gathered up the unknown, placed in under glass where it can be seen yet is unable to hurt us. She will protect us, in other words, from unknown phone calls at 3:00 am in her strong leader avatar, while using the bounty of the Earth to feed us in her Motherly aspect.
Hillary, in other words, is complete unto herself, and there is no need to look further for a perfect leader for America, the world, and perhaps the Cosmos!
March 2, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks, invigliator, I did catch the picture and plant.
My take was that they had a sortof yin/ yang meaning- the plant being the yin (softer,earthy) and the rectangular picture frame the yang ( rigid, archived, ) although I'm no yin/yang expert.
I like your forces of nature/unknown dangers interpretation too.
So, are they trying to say that Hillary keeps life in balance but leans a little toward the potted plant?
March 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
FreeForAll,
Time to take a nap.
March 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
But did you get the answer to the question: Does the carpet match the drapes?
March 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Stand up for me and I will always stand up for you" sounds like part quid pro quo, part veiled threat. Kind of like, "stand up for me, because if I win without you I will crush you. Just like I will crush the people in Wisconsin, Utah, Idaho and those a-holes in Illinois."
I'm kind of afraid now - if Obama doesn't win, what will she do to those of us who voted for him?
March 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
First it was: "She's worked the night shift, too." What next?
Hillary: "I was Hispanic once myself."
March 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Assuming the campaign continues, I can't wait to see the HRC ads in PA subtitled in German.
March 2, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I find this whole "I know your traditions and culture" thing a little odd. I'm 40 and I've lived in Texas my entire my life (except for 4 years in the military). 2 of my grandparents were born here and the other 2 arrived as children. My wife's family has been here for several generations. I don't think I can say I know the traditions and culture. Texas is a complex and diverse state. I spent a summer in East Texas and it felt foreign to me. The border area is very different from North Texas. The South and West sort of meet in Texas, so it's a little weird. West Texas has more in common with New Mexico and the Southwest while East Texas is more like the South - Arkansas.
March 2, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously, you people have no idea about the rich cultural heritage of the Texican.
I wish I knew more about being a Texican, but as I've only lived in Texas for over 30 years, and was born in Colorado, I will forever be denied my Texican passport.
C'est la vie! (that's Texican for "see you later")
March 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink