Headline Writers At The Major Networks Slow To Get Obama's Message
If Obama's speech was, as I argued below, partly a call for the keepers of our political discourse to rise above themselves and do better, the headline writers at the major networks appear to be struggling to process this message.
A number of you have written in to point out some of the more absurd ones, such as this one from MSNBC...
Obama: Racial anger is "real"
...and this one from CNN...
Obama: Constitution stained by 'sin of slavery'
These, of course, are focusing on the small and petty at the expense of the largeness of the speech's message.
...but wait, take heart! Both those headlines have been changed. CNN's new one is: Obama: "We can move beyond some of our racial wounds." And MSNBC's new effort is: "Obama tackles race anger in major speech."
So it looks as if there is a bit of an effort underway at the nets to grapple with the major themes sounded here.















We will have to wait to see how the evening news shows present the speech, as that will be the forum in which most voters will get their first (only?) dose of it.
March 18, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The media and pundits are IGNORING their part of the speech that Obama pointed out -- their pushing hate with their constant stories about Ferraro and Wright.
Wake up media. Obama's trying to Help you.
March 18, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope they are kissing your ass and getting in step and saying just what your guy wants them to say.
You can't fool all the people, we are on to you.
March 18, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no! Did you hear that? Kefa is onto us!
March 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
When your campaign has peddled a 4 page list of gaffes you don't have much room to call on other people to rise above that tactic.
I have voted and worked for liberal Democrats all my life and I will not vote for Obama because of how he used phony charges of racism.
March 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well done Greg.
March 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media is pathetic, and that is mutually reinforcing the ignorance of our society.
Maybe Obama should have performed the speech as a Family Guy episode, or voted someone off at the end, to get Americans to pay attention.
I'm way past disgusted.
March 18, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I said about four posts ago that Fox and Limbaugh were lost causes but the real audience was the MSM and the people who write the meta-narrative for the MSM like Ben Smith and Mark Halperin.
Smith won't commit yet, but Obama he sure as hell got Halperin.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/18/obama-plans-major-tuesday-speech-on-race/
March 18, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice though how he hints he wants to pull the thread of "Have I heard offensive comments ? Yes".
(which he didn't at first)
March 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think what you're seeing is just the nature of the medium. On TV and on the Web, the inclination is to post news as soon as it happens, so the headlines are going to reflect what Obama happens to be saying at that particular moment, and they'll change throughout the speech. Once the speech is over, they have the luxury of taking the big-picture view, and that's why you see the more macro headlines.
March 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The themes in the speech are not new and have been said by many others in the past. Perhaps, one could argue it is time for a renewal of these themes; the basic issues were how and who? To his credit Obama did make the case, and he was timely far beyond the simplicity of religious expression.
Group difference will always remain, like it or not those of African heritage have had and do have a special role in U.S.A. In sum it is to demand that the common good always be on the top of the nation's agenda.
March 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Latest Fox headline detailing the speech:
Obama hates both whites and blacks; says will work to destroy America.
Seriously, Obama called out the media and though I love it, they have the power to manipulate Obama's words, not the other way around. One can only hope that people either read or watch the speech themselves.
March 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
KEFA IS ON THE CASE.
Kefa will ensure that no-one will be fooled!
March 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on. He can't be more than 12-years-old. Leave the kid alone.
March 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
He should have dropped out so we can have a Dem President .
Clinton does not have a radical kook spiritual adviser like BO or McDestroyIslam.
March 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Radical kook"? Interesting choice of words, gotalife.
You've now used it in two separate comments. What did you like least about the speech, btw? I ask because you seem to want to focus only on Rev. Wright, and nothing else. What else did you hear in that speech?
Do you work for Fox news part time, by any chance? If not, you might consider it. Your analysis and commentary would fit in quite nicely with the "Fair and Balanced Network".
March 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see gotalife has pulled out the wagon of division and lined the wheel-wells with bombs, ready for another day on Teh Intertubes.
How predictable is gotalife in responding to any of this, or anything. If Obama had saved a family from a burning building, gotalife would decry Obama's arrogant, elitist failure to stop the fire from starting.
That he/she has become so predictable in his/her bomb-throwing reduces him/her to a sort of wacky Five O'Clock Charlie, swooping in once a day to drop bombs and swoop out, having influenced no one, and affected nothing.
March 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, it's sad what the networks come up with when they have more than a 10 second sound bite to grapple with... I can't totally fault them. Truly important ideas and concepts don't really fit into the "digest news" that passes for "information" these days.
March 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding the the political implications of the speech, the most important objective was to simply get the speech noticed. Here's the TPM scorecard at this time, less than 3 hours after the conclusion of the speech: 2 posts on TPM, 5 posts and over 300 comments at TPM election central, and it looks like 8 recent reader posts. I expect that there's much more to come.
Some MSM headlines on the web already. We'll see what happens on TV and in the papers tonight and tomorrow. But it would seems that the speech has certainly succeeded in creating a splash.
(For the record, I personally found the speech to be impressive and inspiring.)
March 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The networks read quickly where the country was swinging after the speech and changed their headlines. Obama will be the next president.
March 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I was surprised about is how quickly Fox News stopped discussing the Obama speech. I was bouncing between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News, and the first two networks continued to discuss it until the top of the hour. Fox News, to the best of my knowledge, spend only about five minutes on the speech. I was bouncing, so I don't know what pundits on Fox News was saying, so I'd appreciate a video on that.
As for the discussions on CNN and MSNBC, it was all over the place. Some pundits viewed it as the most important speech on race since MLK, while some (read Pat Buchanan) felt it blamed all of black anger on whites (which is just flat wrong for anyone openly watching). I was really hoping that Pat would've seen the bigger picture of getting beyond our anger, but it doesn't look like Pat is ready to go there yet.
March 18, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buchanan's not so good at nuance.
Before the speech he said, "I've never seen a pastor or preacher get up and deliver hate from the pulpit."
It was pretty amusing.
March 18, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'd like to reply to two comments, but Java won't let me. I agree that it will be important to see how this speech plays on the evening news and late night news. I'm not surprised that Fox dropped coverage. They have to wait for Rove to tell them how to react.
March 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pat Buchanan is nothing but a white Jeremiah Wright. He too is stuck in the past and believes America is irrevocably bound to it's past when it comes to race relations. Buchanan is of the same generation of Wright and he maks the same mistake. It is the Buchanan's of the world who justify the Wrights and vice-versa.
Which accounts for the stalemate in many ways.
Buchanan spent most of his time tying Obama to Farrakhan via his association with Wright.
It is these type statements which fuel the anger of the Wrights in America.
Buchanan perpetuates the distractions and it is his mentatlity that keeps America from making progress on the real issues facing this country like
healthcare
economy
war
foreign policy
and
eduction
Buchanan needs to retire just like Wright.,..it is time to pass the torch to a new generation and build a bridge to the 21st century.
In with Scarborough out with Buchanan.
In with Obama out with Sharpton
In with America out with talkradio
March 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the kind of leadership I'm looking for.
March 18, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as I know, the Clinton campaign has not responded yet, even though the text has been out for hours now. Their silence speaks volumes: they are having an extremely tough time grappling with how to respond to this speech.
March 18, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think their best strategy is not to respond. It's not about them. And what can they possibly say?
March 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly. Well almost. Better yet would be to make a brief statement that says they approve of his message, or something along those lines.
March 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Let's say, hypothetically, that Hillary chooses to respond. What's she going to say?
1. Ridicule the speech as "words." Draw more attention to it, so that people get more than just the soundbite and the stupid headline on Yahoo!'s homepage.
Advantage: Obama, because more people actually get exposed to the meat of the speech.
2. Praise it, in a gimmie to their opponent.
Advantage: Obama, because Hillary is actually praising him.
Her best strategy is to say nothing.. and that in itself speaks volumes.
March 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC is reporting that the HRC camp will release her traveling schedule from 1992-99...I guess in a few hours we will know in depth about those 80 countries she said she visited...
Now if she can only release those tax returns...
March 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and no. I don't think they say anything publically. Why should they? As far as they are concerned, this is obama's problem. Also, anything they say or do might be wrongly construed and it could be damaging. If I were them, I would just keep my mouth shut.
March 18, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Headlines after Gettysburg address...
Fox News: Lincoln hates southerners
CNN: Lincoln praises dead people
ABC: Lincoln dedicates nation to a "proposition"
MSNBC: Lincoln: "world will little note nor long remember"
TPM: But what are the soundbites?
March 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You nailed it. The Joe Scarboroughs of the airwave were as disparaging about Obama's speech as your pretend headlines.
March 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure Hillary is fuming. She knows this speech by Obama was a VERY GOOD ONE. I'm betting she even said words to the effect, "We may as well hand him this nomination now."
Seriously, I hope Hillary sees what she is stopping from allowing to happen now. Barack Obama is what this country needs right now. We've needed him for YEARS.
Please Hillary - either drop out or layoff and let him take on McCain.
March 18, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
What did Obama hear? When did he hear it? What did he do about the language he now conveniently denounces? He chose to remain in the Church.
Obama's WHITE sometimes racist grandmother raised him, he could not walk away. His minister did not raise him, he could have left the Church. It's a question of Obama's judgment and character. Words matter.
POLITICO:
Obama heard controversial comments
By POLITICO STAFF | 3/18/08 12:07 PM EST
Contrary to his earlier suggestion, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) acknowledged in his speech Tuesday that he had heard “controversial” remarks by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
“Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy?” Obama said. “Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely — just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”
Obama did not specify which statements.
In his first detailed response to the firestorm over Wright’s remarks charging that the United States is a racist country, Obama said in a posting on The Huffington Post:
“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.”
The statements are not directly contradictory. But Republicans are likely to seize on the passage as evidence that Obama was not completely in the dark about Wright’s inflammatory speeches.
March 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So now you're going to go after his grandmother too? I thought your Obama objections would at least remain somewhat grounded in decency, but I suppose I was wrong.
March 18, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
the very point of a troll is to offend decency in every way possible to get themselves noticed.
March 18, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama raised his grandmother into the discourse. Obama noted his grandmother was white. I point it out as Obama uses racism of the 50's-60's as an excuse for both Reverend White and his white grandmother's comments.
March 18, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your avatar nor your username don't do anything to enhance your gravitas. I would recommend something other than a soft-serve brain upon a cartoonish character. One word, young Marginal Player: Branding.
March 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player is providing reader services! He's service-oriented!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just like Marginal!
Marginal = Republican.
March 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's funny, because I was listening to Fox news last night and they said Obama should come clean, and admit what he heard.
Now, I'm not one to take advice from Karl Rove, but I think Obama made a very clear distinction between "controversial" remarks and "hateful" remarks. It certainly gives cover when some journalist finds proof Obama was in the church when Wright said such-an-such.
Last night Fox was also showing African-American's reaction to Wright. They chose AAs that agreed with Wright. Not sure what the point of that exercise was: That all blacks hate America?
But I'm glad they did. Maybe one Fox viewer looked at the reaction and thought, "huh, maybe there is something to this racial divide after all."
March 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Obama should have walked away immediately. Hillary Clinton would never listen to an offensive speech and just sit there, much less greet the speaker warmly afterwards.
At the same time, Hillary's campaign realizes that trying to criticize someone for listening to an offensive speech is unfair and out of bounds.
March 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least they won't call him a Muslim now.
March 18, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans and Marginal Player!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
And of course, Limbaugh completely misses the point. I mean, I'm not surprised, at all. But Christ, sometimes the absurdity makes my temples throb.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/18/limbaugh-attacks-obama-speech-on-race-keeps-up-pressure-on-wright/
March 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The headline should be:
Your Dream does not come at the expense of My Dream
That captures the substance and vision of
Obama's message and the bedrock belief of all citizens in the American Dream.
March 18, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was absolutely painful watching Joe Scarborough's roundtable group discussing the speech on MSNBC. No one seemed to understand the larger themes.
March 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife is a paid troll. It used to work at Daily Kos. I don't know if it got banned, but it hasn't been there for a while. There is absolutely no point in acknowledging its existence. It probably gets paid more if it gets you to respond.
If it has any personality...it's summed up in that nasty avatar.
March 18, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You see race, I see religion.
Obama has a radical spiritual adviser screaming God damn America and McCain has one that wants to destroy Islam. Clinton does not.
This is why our founders wanted seperation of church and State.
They were dead right.
March 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'm sure if one would dig, they could find some religious dirt on Clinton.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
Now, I don't think this is fair game, any more than Obama's pastor is fair.
I think you're right, it's personal, and should not eclipse important talk about the issues.
But don't come here saying Clinton is free from this kind of crap.
March 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton doesn't have a spiritual adviser!
Atheists for . . .
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This also is worth reading again.
Lyndon B. Johnson Remarks at Gettysburg on Civil Rights (May 30, 1963)
On this hallowed ground, heroic deeds were performed and eloquent words were spoken a century ago.
We, the living, have not forgotten--and the world will never forget--the deeds or the words of Gettysburg. We honor them now as we join on this Memorial Day of 1963 in a prayer for permanent peace of the world and fulfillment of our hopes for universal freedom and justice.
We are called to honor our own words of reverent prayer with resolution in the deeds we must perform to preserve peace and the hope of freedom.
We keep a vigil of peace around the world.
Until the world knows no aggressors, until the arms of tyranny have been laid down, until freedom has risen up in every land, we shall maintain our vigil to make sure our sons who died on foreign fields shall not have died in vain.
As we maintain the vigil of peace, we must remember that justice is a vigil, too--a vigil we must keep in our own streets and schools and among the lives of all our people--so that those who died here on their native soil shall not have died in vain.
One hundred years ago, the slave was freed.
One hundred years later, the Negro remains in bondage to the color of his skin.
The Negro today asks justice.
We do not answer him--we do not answer those who lie beneath this soil--when we reply to the Negro by asking, "Patience."
It is empty to plead that the solution to the dilemmas of the present rests on the hands of the clock. The solution is in our hands. Unless we are willing to yield up our destiny of greatness among the civilizations of history, Americans--white and Negro together--must be about the business of resolving the challenge which confronts us now.
Our nation found its soul in honor on these fields of Gettysburg one hundred years ago. We must not lose that soul in dishonor now on the fields of hate.
To ask for patience from the Negro is to ask him to give more of what he has already given enough. But to fail to ask of him--and of all Americans--perseverance within the processes of a free and responsible society would be to fail to ask what the national interest requires of all its citizens.
The law cannot save those who deny it but neither can the law serve any who do not use it. The history of injustice and inequality is a history of disuse of the law. Law has not failed--and is not failing. We as a nation have failed ourselves by not trusting the law and by not using the law to gain sooner the ends of justice which law alone serves.
If the white over-estimates what he has done for the Negro without the law, the Negro may under-estimate what he is doing and can do for himself with the law.
If it is empty to ask Negro or white for patience, it is not empty--it is merely honest--to ask perseverance. Men may build barricades--and others may hurl themselves against those barricades--but what would happen at the barricades would yield no answers. The answers will only be wrought by our perseverance together. It is deceit to promise more as it would be cowardice to demand less.
In this hour, it is not our respective races which are at stake--it is our nation. Let those who care for their country come forward, North and South, white and Negro, to lead the way through this moment of challenge and decision.
The Negro says, "Now." Others say, "Never." The voice of responsible Americans--the voice of those who died here and the great man who spoke here--their voices say, "Together." There is no other way.
Until justice is blind to color, until education is unaware of race, until opportunity is unconcerned with the color of men's skins, emancipation will be a proclamation but not a fact. To the extent that the proclamation of emancipation is not fulfilled in fact, to that extent we shall have fallen short of assuring freedom to the free.
March 18, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
News Flash: "Constitution Tainted by Sin of Slavery"
This is controversial? Ever hear of the three-fifths rule? What have we come to if telling the truth puts you beyond the pale?
Oh well. That question answers itself.
March 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bluejerseyan
That part of the US Constitution is the most poorly understand political compromise.
It was all about representation, which was allocated on the basis of population. Without designating the slaves as 3/5ths the South would have had far greater representation in Congress than the rest of the states.
The 3/5ths designation enabled our nation not to be dominated by the population of the South.
The South would have simply had a disproportionate share in both houses of Congress.
It was not have humane but it was politically astute for the democracy to thrive.
A imperfect union was union and we are charged with getting beyond those imperfects.
We cannot be irrevocably tied to the mistakes of our racial history.
It is up to us to move forward with all the mistakes and human errors of judgment the past wrought.
Thus the Civil Rights Movement which was provided the opportunity for our Nation as LBJ said in the speech forward to right wrongs.
March 18, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Terrible speach. Obama throws his Grandmother under the bus, and compares her to Rev Wright. He then compares Ferraro's statements with Rev Wright's. He then blames the white man for Rev Wrights attitude forgetting that no one living had anything to do with Jim Crow or slavery. He admits he did hear Rev Wright hateful sermons when before he said he did not. He did not address his church's or Wright's relationship to Farrakhan. He should have brought up his relationship with big donor slumlord Rezco. He should have brought up his very priveledged childhood. Would we all not like a free ride to Harvard. Like George Bush he loves to give flowery speeches but take no questions.
March 18, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Per your profile, you're 48. That means you were born in 1959 or 1960. You were born just 6 years after "separate but equal" was ruled unconstitutional. (Pastor Wright is old enough to actually remember the ruling.) I find it hard to believe that a 48-year-old Democrat could really be that ignorant. You've either gone to great lengths to maintain your ignorance, or you're misrepresenting yourself.
There are several people still alive who had plenty to do de jure racial segregation.
That said, you also totally missed the point of his speech.
March 18, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rev Wrights attitude forgetting that no one living had anything to do with Jim Crow or slavery.
No one alive? It only ended 60 some years ago, and there probably a few people still alive who were involved in it's implementation. More importantly, Wright grew up at a time when those laws were enforced. John Edwards talked about growing up in the segregated south. It wasn't that long ago.
March 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's points are all jumbled together in my brain! Now that's word processing!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Terrible speach. Obama throws his Grandmother under the bus, and compares her to Rev Wright. He then compares Ferraro's statements with Rev Wright's. He then blames the white man for Rev Wrights attitude forgetting that no one living had anything to do with Jim Crow or slavery. He admits he did hear Rev Wright hateful sermons when before he said he did not. He did not address his church's or Wright's relationship to Farrakhan. He should have brought up his relationship with big donor slumlord Rezco. He should have brought up his very priveledged childhood. Would we all not like a free ride to Harvard. Like George Bush he loves to give flowery speeches but take no questions.
March 18, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the classic, "This turd won a scholarship to Harvard!" attack. There's no hope for Obama now. He should concede. And step down. And leave the country.
March 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Terrible speach. Obama throws his Grandmother under the bus, and compares her to Rev Wright. He then compares Ferraro's statements with Rev Wright's. He then blames the white man for Rev Wrights attitude forgetting that no one living had anything to do with Jim Crow or slavery. He admits he did hear Rev Wright hateful sermons when before he said he did not. He did not address his church's or Wright's relationship to Farrakhan. He should have brought up his relationship with big donor slumlord Rezco. He should have brought up his very priveledged childhood. Would we all not like a free ride to Harvard. Like George Bush he loves to give flowery speeches but take no questions.
March 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, that was truly bizzare. Did you have to post it three times? By the way, you lost all credibility, if you even had any, when you said "like George Bush (I prefer the king) he loves to give flowery speeches but take no questions." I'm sure the king appreciates that compliment, but for the life of me I can't think of a "flowery speech," or even a good speech, that the buffoon has given.
March 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No matter how many times you say it, your post is still worthless.
Even Hillary supporters are grudgingly admitting that he's hit this one out of the park.
Old politics like the ones you espouse are in their last days. It will be a glorious world when we're not talking about the slices of the pie that make up the American electorate and discussing what is best for the entire pie.
Obama started that discussion today.
Rest in peace old politics.
March 18, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, horrible response, comparing Obama to Bush.
See what I did there?
But I think you mis-heard.
About Wright:
"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."
He doesn't say hateful, he says controversial. He is drawing a line from things he heard earlier, that he may have disagreed with, but were not AS offensive as the "God-damn America" rhetoric.
In my mind, it's a good point.
"We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias."
He is, of course, saying he believes neither Wright or Ferraro are racist, despite their words. If you have a problem with that, I issue you a challenge: How can you say one is racist, and not the other? How do you KNOW what Wright meant, based on a 30 second excerpt, anymore than we can know what Ferraro meant? I think here he was criticizing the partisan attacks from BOTH sides, and saying he knows Ferraro is not racist.
"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."
What's wrong with comparing a friend you've known for over 20 years to a relative?
I have very close friends. But, if one of them says something stupid, do I need to renounce my friendship if I'm ever going to run for President?
March 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Incredible. That "WHOOSH!"ing sound you hear is the point, flying over your head a breakneck speed.
March 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
March 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Thinker - have you never been in a church, mosque or synagogue and heard the clergy say offensive, even at times bizarre things?
Well then, my fine vanilla-headed friend, you must not attend services very often.
Why look what I found just now in this offensive, angry and ethnically biased book called The Bible:
12 "When you are living in the towns that the Lord your God gives you, you may hear 13 that some worthless people of your nation have misled the people of their town to worship gods that you have never worshiped before. 14 If you hear such a rumor, investigate it thoroughly; and if it is true that this evil thing did happen, 15 then kill all the people in that town and all their livestock too. Destroy that town completely. 16 Bring together all the possessions of the people who live there and pile them up in the town square. Then burn the town and everything in it as an offering to the Lord your God. It must be left in ruins forever and never again be rebuilt."
Can you really believe that Bill and Hilary, Christians that they are, actually follow this? Or that Jews would carry out these instructions?
March 18, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was not about race.
It was about his religion.
Obama's speech was nothing but playing the race card.
My goodmess, Americans are gullible to bs.
March 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105073/McCains-67-Favorable-Rating-Highest-Eight-Years.aspx?version=print
And this election isn't about Hillary's gender.
It's about her negatives.
1) Read the poll
2) Weep
3) Go away
March 18, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, instead of replying to my post, you simply continue to repeat your lie?
That somehow Clinton is beyond race and religion?
Rather than just saying it, can you provide some reasons why you feel Clinton would be a better President than Obama?
March 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
None of that gets any truer the more you post it. I'll just address the "take no questions" part. Obama gave reporters at the Chicago Sun Times and Chicago Tribune the opportunity to ask him any question they wanted about Rezko. He sat with them for 90 minutes and answered everything. Both came away impressed with his candor and that any candidate would talk so openly about something embarrassing, and both agreed there was no story there. I do not see Hillary offering reporters the same opportunity.
And yes, we would all like a free ride to Harvard. Unfortunately, very, very few of us merit it.
March 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The bottom line is:
Obama is not the problem. He is not a racist, and he is not a divisive person.
It is not up to him. It is up to the people of America. Are they ready to move beyond letting race be a deciding factor in how they choose their leaders.
I hope they are, but I am afraid that they are not. I have never wavered in my support of Senator Obama for President, but I also realize that a nation that could reelect George W. Bush, after having had four years exposure to his unrelenting incompetence, are not capable of voting for what is best for the country.
I am with Senator Obama all the way. I think he is the best available candidate for this time, but I doubt if America is ready for such a leader. A nation gets the leadership that it deserves. That is why George W. Bush was given a second term. He is not the problem. The majority of voters who want such a leader are the problem. That has not changed.
Anyone who tells you that the words of an angry preacher have made them turn against Senator Obama are lying. They would never have voted for him under any circumstances. They just wanted some pseudo outrage to camouflage their original intentions.
March 18, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, true.
Obama has done everything he can do. It's up to the American people now to decide: do they want 4 more years of distraction politics?
Or, are we finally ready to move on?
March 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't place much stock in the opinions of someone who casually tosses around the phrase "Obamacrackheads" and makes it a point to throw bombs rather than engage in any substantive way in a discussion.
I wonder whether people like kefa believe that they are, in fact, influencing anyone, or whether there is sheer joy derived in taking the kinds of insulting shots she seems to relish.
It's sad, really. That someone would be so closed-minded as to miss the entire point of the speech, leapfrogging over it to make comments that only serve to reinforce the truth of the underlying message of the speech.
I wonder, Kefa, whether you understand that you serve merely to strngthen the very viewpoints against which you rail, impotently, with tiny little balled up fists of rage.
The explosive sound you just heard was the jaw-cracking sound of my yawn at yet another Kefa Post.
So typical. And so typically insipid.
March 18, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Nixon-to-China power that only Obama has to restore a great Democratic coalition
Who can deny the boldness and brilliance shown here by Obama in confronting head-on what has perhaps been the greatest single wound to the viability of progressive politics and the Democratic Party for the last thirty years:
I knew Obama possessed this kind of nuanced understanding before this speech. It resonates deeply in me having come up from white, blue-collar roots. This is the theme Obama needs to continue using to reach and close the deal with many of the traditional Dem blocks who've been sticking with Hillary.
March 18, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched the speech and I wanted much more. Somehow Obama missed, either deliberately or not, how gender plays a big role here. Wright did as much to denigrate the problems women have faced as he did to make this about race. Ferraro was trying to point out the gender issues at play. Yet Obama treated that as an minor after thought. Women got the vote after Blacks, they got the right to own property after Blacks, there were Black lawyers in America before female lawyers. Yet Wright declares, and Obama tacitly agrees, that Blacks have had it so much harder.
March 18, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And he didn't mention mint chocolate chip ice cream either!
Why don't you ask Hillry to give a similar speech about gender in this country?
March 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Women are people, too! And black women are super-people!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
a friend wrote this:
What really got me, though, is when he started getting all Bulworth on everybody about 3/4s of the way through and said, essentially, "Hey - all you poor Black people blaming White people and all you poor White people blaming affirmative action and immigration: in case you idiots hadn't noticed it's the corporations that laid you off and moved your job overseas."
http://christastrophe.livejournal.com/354290.html?mode=reply
March 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the subject of the MSM headlines:
I've noticed the point Greg makes as well, that there is a pretty big effort underway to come up with succinct headlines that don't massively misrepresent Obama's speech..
What's interesting about this is that it's amusing to watch the MSM attempt to summarize something that inherently defies simple summary. I think it's time we realize that maybe, just maybe, some ideas are sufficiently complex that they deserve better than to be reduced to a meaningless and irresponsible sound bite. I think Obama's speech is one of these things - it contains so many ideas, so much nuance, that any attempt to "summarize" it is going to fail.
But this is where we've brought ourselves. The more we evade issues like the ones Obama brings up, the more that nuanced, complex discussion becomes necessary, in order to address all the issues we've ignored for so long.
Maybe we owe ourselves better than inflammatory headlines designed to sell newspapers, and maybe, just maybe, Obama's speech has given the MSM enough of a smack that they'll actually be forced to fully discuss his points instead of summarizing it to be consumed over your 5-minute fast-food lunch.
March 18, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I expected a true Bill Cosby on the podium. He was not. But, he was a ordinary politician explaining away his political troubles with his eloquent speech. He and his campaign first brought racism (fairy tale, MLk comments and Ferraro commments) into this campaign and they are now reaping the rewards. What goes around comes around......
March 18, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, you are aware that each of the "comments" you've identified came from the Clinton campaign right?
March 18, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, I disagree, I think the Clintons brought up race first with Jesse Jackson, and Hillary was the one to say LBJ > MLK.
That was a dumb thing to say.
Ferraro too: Not racist, but a stupid thing to say.
March 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You were expecting a comedy routine?
March 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny. I was expecting a true Tiger Woods on the podium. Guess we were both disappointed.
March 18, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You will have to wait for MSNBC's wiseman Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann assess it.
March 18, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I said about four posts ago that Fox and Limbaugh were lost causes but the real audience was the MSM and the people who write the meta-narrative for the MSM like Ben Smith and Mark Halperin."
This is correct. This speech is not really intended for the rightwing noise machine, which he criticizes (playing clips again and again). The rightwing fringe which is looking for excuses to justify their opposition to him -- first Rezko, then "muslim", then too black. Whatever. These folks are in fact already accounted for in McCain's 40-45% head-to-head polling. So don't be fooled by the Rightwing bluster. The battle is for the middle.
It is intended for the Democrat, independents and moderate republicans, and especially the superdelegates. It gives people confidence that Obama won't be cowered or hobbled by the race issue. I think this was the intention.
It was a remarkable and courageous speech. Rarely have we heard a politician address race so compellingly and honestly. I hope the networks and ecvening news does this justice -- not just 15 second clip, they need to run a large segment.
March 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just heard Hillary comment on Obama's speech. She hadn't seen or read it but did give him a pat on the back for making a SPEECH on an important subject--the details of which she actually didn't know. She then said it was an indication that we had an historic opportunity to chose a president who had--you guess it!--solutions!-- and then proceeded to give a policy speech. She is a policy wonk not a leader who can inspire change. We need a leader who sets the direction of the country not someone who will be doing diligence at 3AM deciding as she works out the minor details of some bill.
March 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just heard Hillary comment on Obama's speech. She hadn't seen or read it but did give him a pat on the back for making a SPEECH on an important subject--the details of which she actually didn't know. She then said it was an indication that we had an historic opportunity to chose a president who had--you guess it!--solutions!-- and then proceeded to give a policy speech. She is a policy wonk not a leader who can inspire change. We need a leader who sets the direction of the country not someone who will be doing diligence at 3AM deciding as she works out the minor details of some bill.
March 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Media is having a hard time grappling because they are not used to this kind of speech.
Seems like Obama is the only adult in a room full of children.
March 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I think it's time we realize that maybe, just maybe, some ideas are sufficiently complex that they deserve better than to be reduced to a meaningless and irresponsible sound bite."
Good point. I think race in America is so complex, but Obama did a good job in giving his view of it.
"Somehow Obama missed, either deliberately or not, how gender plays a big role here."
Maybe Hillary will address that in her big "Gender Speech"? Seriously, I think Race is a big enough topic for an entire speech, if not several. His first book is about race too.
"It is not up to him. It is up to the people of America. Are they ready to move beyond letting race be a deciding factor in how they choose their leaders."
I think this is not an opportunity for Obama. It is not his test. It is our test. Will we get duped by the GOP Smear Machine into voting against Gay Terrorists represented by John Kerry, that French Swiftboat Traitor in Chief? OR will we all focus onm what is really going on:
"What really got me, though, is when he started getting all Bulworth on everybody about 3/4s of the way through and said, essentially, "Hey - all you poor Black people blaming White people and all you poor White people blaming affirmative action and immigration: in case you idiots hadn't noticed it's the corporations that laid you off and moved your job overseas.""
March 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please do not feed the KKK Arse Trolls!
March 18, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama refuses to denounce Wright. I guess they will continue to go to that church. And everyone is just ignoring that he admitted to lying before about not hearing that type of sermon before.
I guess if he gets to the white house, that hate monger will be there for dinner along with Farrakhan and maybe even their Libyan friend, Moamer Khadafi.
And we'll probably be involved in the Kenyan civil war by the following year, the deficit will quardriple with his economic plan.
March 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously--if you're doing to switch from REZKO REZKO REZKO!!!!!!!!!!!!@#@! because it's so not working for you, Rae, then at least spell names correctly.
And words, too, come to think of it. Is quardriple something between triple and quadruple?
March 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think his speech was a perfect con artist speech ......over the weekend since friday night he looked into a camera on almost every network and said i was never in the church when remark were made and in this speech he said ..".was i sitting in the pew when rev wright made contreversial remarks yes i was"...that means he lied at least seven times that i seen ,,,,,,,saturday he said he knew rezko for 24 years and had lunch with him every day during his campaign .....when he kept saying he was just a acquaintence.......oh he also donated 250,000 instead of 150,000.......how many lies is he going to get away with .......the MSM keeps giving..... him a pass on these lies and he talks his way out of them .....i cant see this guy as president and when the gop and 527's get through with him he will look like hamburg
March 18, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lunch with him every day during campaign? Where do you come up with this stuff?
March 18, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I use ellipses to separate the facts I make up!!!! Hillary is creative like that, too!!!!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
RaeK is scared! Don't call her at 3 a.m.!
McCain/Clinton '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are you people griping about? Are you really griping about Obama's media coverage?
MSNBC must be on his payroll the way they promote him. Keith Olberman is his biggest cheerleader.
The ONLY networks that gives balanced unbiased coverage is FOX and CNN and ABC.
March 18, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Screw "balanced". It's glorified stenography that enables those in power to brainwash dimwits. Like you.
Give me objective reporting.
March 18, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You write: I will not vote for Obama because of how he used phony charges of racism.
Name one phony charge of racism that Obama used. (Obama, not someone else.)
March 18, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The web headlines, at least, seem increasingly to be getting the point (perhaps the content of his speech has shamed them just a bit into looking beyond the soundbites . . .)
WaPo
In Speech, Obama Aims to Unite
Address on race targets diverse audiences, draws some comparisons to JFK's speech on Catholicism.
NYT
Obama Urges U.S. to Grapple With Race Issue
Philly Enquirer)
Obama, in Philly, asks all to help in healing racial scars
ChicTribune
Obama calls for racial healing
MiamiHerald
Obama tackles race head-on in speech
DetroitNews
Obama airs race debate
It was an extraordinary moment -- the first black candidate with a good chance at becoming a presidential nominee, in a country in which racial distrust runs deep and is often unspoken, embarking at a critical juncture in his campaign upon what may be the most significant public discussion of race in decades.
also the edits in the MSM seem leaning towards support for Obama - this will of course not put off the wingnuts, but hopefully will help in the broader national discussion.
WaPo
It was extraordinary.
LATimes
Moving a nation
DetriotFreePress
Race card: Kilpatrick plays it, Obama deals with it
BostonGlobe
Obama's history, and America's
HoustonChronicle
Family, with flaws: Obama seizes controversial moment to deepen the nation's conversation on race
March 19, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink