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Gallup: Hillary Ahead Of Obama By Seven Points, Race Speech Has Yet To Help Him

Today's Gallup tracking poll shows Hillary Clinton with a national lead over Barack Obama of 49%-42%, her first time since just after Super Tuesday that she led outside the margin of error, a sign that Barack Obama is still hurting from the Jeremiah Wright controversy.

The early numbers show that Obama's speech yesterday on race relations, widely hailed by the media, hasn't yet helped him in the polls. From Gallup's analysis: "The initial indications are that the speech has not halted Clinton's gaining momentum, as she led by a similar margin in Tuesday night's polling as compared to Monday night's polling."

In the general-election matches, the long Democratic race has clearly taken a toll on both candidates, who now trail John McCain by a few points each:

McCain (R) 47%, Obama (D) 43%
McCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 45%

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There's little doubt that this manufactured controversy has hurt him, but I think he's taken the right corrective actions. I suspect we will see a bump in 24-48 hours in his numbers.

Iam sure your going to be posting the recent Rasmussen poll showing Obama up by 5 which is a 4 point gain from yesterday right?

I second that emotion!

I realize these poll numbers were released today, but isn't that a bit soon to gauge if his speech had an impact? What time frame do these polls cover?

Rasmussen today had Obama leading by five points. Will you post that as well? Thank you.

Yawn. Here's the transcript from Obama's appearance on Nightline last night. A much more interesting read:

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/story?id=4480133&page=1

Thanks for the link, it is odd that there has often been more usefull information posted in the comments lately than the main posts on Election Central. When will the ups and downs of a daily tracking poll be taken for what they are by Greg and Eric?

Thanks for the link! Very interesting interview.

Rassmussen numbers are the exact opposite. By the way, more than 75% of the primary vote has already taken place so to continue to take national polls is useless.

I find it amazing that it is even remotely possible that McCain is ahead of either Democrat right now. THis should be a slam-dunk for the Democrats, but it isn't.

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Guys, enough with the polls already. I mean, you guys put it in huge fonts all across the front page like the Hindenburg just crashed.

THIS IS NOT THE MATH THAT MATTERS. What matters are delegates, pledged and otherwise. Perhaps the only polls that have any significance are those in the states, and by splashing this all over the front page, I feel like I'm going to Hillaryis44.org. The national polling stats are all about her strategy of "electability", the only very thin straw she seems to have left.

If you want to avoid charges of bias, you'll give Eric here a vacation. The speech has "yet to help him"? Well, no shit, guy. Obama himself knew that'd be the case and said as much IN THE SPEECH. Let's think a little deeper, folks.

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Obama now leads Clinton 47% to 42%. Yesterday, Obama led 45% to 44% (see recent daily results). These results are based nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. Just one night of polling is included since Obama’s speech and that single night result is not much different from the four-day average. The reason for today’s Obama bounce is that Friday night’s results have rolled out of the four-day sample. Following the initial media frenzy over Pastor Wright, Friday’s results were the single worst night of polling for Obama since the Primary Season began.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

I appreciate the summary of Gallup, but Rasmussen shows Obama rebounding to up 5 on Hillary, outside the margin of error, and close to his 8 point advantage prior to media focus on Wright. I'm not whining about bias, but TPM, please post about Rasmussen and put this in a comparative context. It's better reporting, thanks.

The question to be asked....will TPM post the Rasmussen poll showing an Obama lead today?

Actually, Eric and Greg almost never post the Rasmussen numbers for the Dem nom. I was bitching about this a few weeks ago when Rasmussen showed Hillary re-taking the lead and they didn't post them. They're consistent, so stop your moaning.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Let's play "pick a poll".

The Rasmussen Poll taken 3/16 indicates a 7 point Obama lead right after the Wright video.

The Gallup poll shows at 7 point Clinton lead after the speech.

How can they both be right?

More likely, they're both wrong...

Not only are both wrong, they are both irrelevant. I simply fail to see the point of these national tracking polls at this stage of the game. They don't predict anything real. If Obama completely fell off the charts (something like a 65-35 or 70-30 split), then they might mean something when it comes to super-delegates, but that does not seem likely at this point.

All these polls really are is masturbatory fodder for us political junkies.

I read this as yet another news cycle of coverage about Wright's statements, this time even louder than previously. As such, the benefit Obama will likely take from the speech -- apart from having pleased the small % of the electorate that actually heard it -- is that the media may now turn the page and allow the discussion to continue on subjects other than race.

I wouldn't have expected any bounce from taking a day to courageously discuss such a difficult subject.

I don't think they'll be showing the Rasmussen daily tracking poll as it doesn't fit into the narrative they want.

I used to love HRC, now, I think she IS a monster.

Elmo resents that.

Elmo should resent trying to steal fair elections by grabbing super delegates.

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I don't think you got the joke. You see, Elmo is a (lovable) monster. Not all monsters steal elections. Got it?

You are right, slow on the up-take! Thanks!

I thought Obama called for an end to this type of comment. Even Powell, who resigned from Obama's campaign for calling Clinton a monster, was on Colbert calling Clinton an exceptional, wonderful person. Even though I support Sen. Clinton at this time, I won't call Obama a monster. I may have to vote for him in November.

Webster definition of monster: A person, typically a child, who is rude or badly behaved. She is badly behaved. She is trying to subvert the system and steal the super delegates. It is a legitimate thing to call her at this point. She was a person to admire, she is now a person lacking all respect.

You mean Samantha Power, correct?

I agree. As an Obama supporter, I may have to vote for Clinton in November, if only for the sake of the Supreme Court.

I find it amazing that it is even remotely possible that McCain is ahead of either Democrat right now. This should be a slam-dunk for the Democrats, but it isn't.
For that you can thank the Clintons' quixotic campaign to destroy the Democratic Party so they can continue to control its ruins. And the spineless (and/or in-the-tank) party leaders who are letting it continue.

Yup. Exactly.

Drop out Obama.

It is over.

We need a nominee and Clinton is the one that can win the general.

Is that a macro on your keyboard?

weren't you banned from Daily Kos for being a troll?

Are you on crack? He is in the lead, jerk.

So have did this effect the delegates?
Sorry, the supers pay attention to the polls!
Totally, forgot about that 55M last month. Sure, only money!

Yep, Rasmussen is a better one for Obama, though it didn't show any gain last night either. I think he'll bounce back within the next week or so...but this ongoing battle is definitely hurting both D candidates in terms of a GE matchup. For God's sake, McCain is so vulnerable...we need to start turning our attention to him.

My, My, aren't we quick to finger Barack, eh, Eric ? It has been, what, like 20 hours since the speech and viola, gallup has the gall to feel people's pulse, when so many of them would not have even started to absorb it.

And what will the narrative be given the Rasmussen poll which shows a clear Obama lead? What will Eric's spin on it be?

I don't see why Josh is so surprised at Clinton's surge. You could see the signs trending towards Clinton for the last two weeks. This has been happening all the time during this campaign but Obama can usually stem Clinton by winning another caucus or primary and the whole process seems to start all over again, Clinton starts rising. The question is will her rise stick this time since their are no caucus/primaries scheduled until Pennsylvannia where it appears that she will win by a whopping margin. Will No. Carolina be Obama's firewall? That seems to be crumbling. What about Florida/Michigan? These are very interesting times, where the wheel of fortune stops no one knows.

He doesn't need a firewall. He's so far ahead that the use of that term is ridiculous. Plus, he will win NC comfortably.

Stop posting polls or articles that even mention Hillary and a sliver of good news! PLEASE STOP!

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Please---I implore you---I beg you---do not let this story die---please let the chips fall wherever---do not turn loose of this---for the sake of hillary---please, please, run another post tomorrow and friday in big headlines regarding the daily gallup tracking poll. Do not clutter it with any references to rasmussen----just the raw data from gallup. Did i mention in big headlines?

I dare you.

If this were a national campaign between Hillary and Barack, I might agree there has been a "fundamental rejiggering"....but it isn't a national race, but a race for the remaining 12 or so states left to vote in the primary...

Both campaigns are on the ground now, and talking to those yet to vote. Let's see how that goes, and do our best to tune out national polls and national media talking points.

And please stop with the banner headlines for one poll or another!

This is such bullshit. Can TPM have a separate poll section where trends are viewed in an intelligent manner? TPM seems so generally well-done on most subjects, but then kind of enters tabloid territory with these attention grabbing!!! poll numbers!!! which don't mean jack crap and fluctuate from day to day. Analysts at TPM could easily illustrate what is significant from what isn't, but it seems that an attempt is being made almost intentionally to blur what is and isn't significant.

Right on the mark!

Well, as Obama's pastor would say, the chickens have come home to roost.

if only Clinton recieved a delegate everytime she was ahead in a poll. Alas, she's in the contest she joined, and can no longer win. Only destroy!

Gotalife, could you make a case for Hillary's electability? I mean, a real case, not just continually saying she is? In your case, please acknowledge that, fairly or not, roughly 50% of the country disapproves of her (give or take 5%) and she has probably lost some chunk of the African-American vote with perceived race-baiting, and explain then how she overcomes those problems to get to fifty-plus-one. Thank you.

Right on the mark.

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Clinton keeps more of the Democrats than does Obama -- see Pollster. The groups that prefer Clinton over Obama are the Reagan Democrats (pro-militayr and pro-life) and the Hispanics and the older women. The first two would have very little trouble defecting to McCain. In Michigan a lot of the Reagan Democrats have already voted for him in this or previous primaries. Obama's voters are less attracted to McCain with the possible exception of white men. A lot of Obama's support are independents and Republican cross overs which probably accounts for the fact that Obama voters report that their support is soft -- they could vote for someone else. My impression is that Clinton keeps the states which have been reliably blue and Obama's prospects require him to win states which are have recently been red. It is clear Obama is the larger gamble in terms of electibility let alone whether there are any more surprises like Wright out there.

FUCK the Reagan Democrats!

John McCain went to Iraq with his best pal Joe Lieberman and claimed that Shiite Iran is arming Sunni Al Qaeda. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has endorsed John McCain for Commander in Chief, ahead of Senator Obama.


Hillary is the new Lieberman.

RCP has recent poll posted, and including the latest Gallup poll, Obama still leads by 1.7 points on the RCP averages

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I've said this when Obama was up and when he is down - NATIONAL POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS!!! 75% of the states have already voted. C'mon!!!!

Some chunk of the AA vote? Quite a big chunk, I would think. I expect AA turnout for Hillary would be down 10%, maybe even more, from Kerry's numbers. She's made herself toxic in the AA community. Good luck winning Ohio and other swing states that way.

If the Democratic party, at this late stage of the game, makes Hillary Clinton its nominee - and I use the word "makes" instead of "elects" because it's clear at this point she can not win the nomination legitimately - then it deserves whatever it gets, which will inevitably be a John McCain presidency.

Hillary can only win by making her opponents look as utterly awful as she is. It's a shame more Democrats haven't seen through her tactics, as transparent as they are. Just goes to show that ignorance is not a uniquely Republican trait.

PPP (D) 03/15 - 03/16 597 LV 56 30 Clinton +26.0

And Hillary's moved up to 26+ in Penn. Maybe she can not just win by 10 but by 30 and pick up more delegates and popular vote than ever expected!

Grrrreat!

Indeed! The TPM analysts clearly went off message here. Complete B.S. And they probably polled the "low information voters" as Lord Kos would put it.

Eric, don't do this man. Please don't.

Mark the first time I saw the phrase "low information voters," was on Hillaryis44.org, used to describe--well, anyone voting for Obama. So it is not just my Kosian overlord.

One thing we can be sure of, though, low-information voters are just Republican types. Did you know John McCain was a maverick??????

This was supposed to be in response to Steve LaBonne above. Fixing the commenting bugs would be Smurf-tastic.

Some interesting reading on Wright from the LA Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-wright19mar19,1,2197340.story

Oh, trolls. When will you return to living under bridges, harassing the billygoats that go trip-trapping overhead?

Impact from speech? 1. Obama in effect admits to lying, 2. Obama admits to funding and participating in a racist and America hating church for 20+ years, 3. Obama instead blames America.

Obama is no more qualified to be president than someone who has been a member of a KKK supporting church or group for 20+ years. Any less sanction is simply affirmative action to accept his flawed character and judgement for the sake of his skin color. It can't be for his message as the more we find out about him, the more we see his lies, his trickled out disclosures, and corrections.

Anyone supporting Obama is also thus accepting Obama's racist and America hating religious fervor and character. If you argue otherwise, how do you discount or allow for his 20-year affiliation with Trinity Church? Would you be as forgiving of someone White with a similar racist and hate America affiliation. Or, do you give Obama a pass because he is Black?

Matt, you have become increasingly hate-filled with your rhetoric.

What is it you hope to accomplish? You are not going to sway anyone to Clinton with that kind of talk.

Are you simply trying to destroy the Democratic party? What is your objective?

Actually, I figure folks need to know that the racist, America-hating (by association) Obama Cult is not the only voice around, even if shrill, ignorant, and often foul mouthed. I do not see many substantive pro-Obama discussions here, just offensive rants.

And that, Alanis, is ironic.

Rev. Wright has criticized America, and the ruling class of white men that, until recently completely dominated political and social discourse in this country. Wright therefore is a racist, and an America hater. Obama has supported Wright. He therefore has criticized America and the ruling class of White Men. Obama therefore is a racist and an America hater. I support Obama. I Therefore support Rev. Wright. Therefore, I have criticized America, and the ruling class of White Men. I, therefore am a racist and an America hater.

Well played, Sir. You're logic is impeccable.

Except of course for the absurd and revealing leap you make between criticizing America and the ruling class of White Men(sometimes harshly), and being an America hater and a racist.

You abide no dissent or criticism of America, nor of the ruling class of White Men a racist and hate America

Sorry. My logic train trailed off there at the end....I was going to end by revealing you as the racist and America hater, but got lazy. Plus, you would probably simply brand it as one of those Obama-cult offensive rants that you are so commonplace 'round here.

Well, I would think so, too, but I'm blue, so I didn't want to overstate.

I'm also not convinced that those people who voted for Hillary based on race, (20% in Ohio I think?) are going to pull the lever for, you know, a WOMAN when she's running against a white guy, not to mention some portion of Democrats turned off by her scorched earth tactics who might not show up to vote. The problem with Hillary is that with her high negatives, she can't afford to lose any Dems.

Well all you good folks need now is a good Rezko
scandal and that should about do it.

To reiterate an earlier post as I'm curious about your reactions. Does anyone think Hillary is positioning herself for the VP slot? She's mathematically nearly eliminated, though I wouldn't tell her she has to not try as that's her prerogative.

But rather than making positive Democratic arguments she attacks Obama while bolstering McCain. Only Hillary will be able to answer McCain's ads quoting Hillary. Hillary's no dummy. She knows the numbers. The game's up, discounting a superdelegate debacle wherein they go against the popular will.

It seems she's either forcing Obama's hand or actually just trying to destroy the Democratic party. Either way hold no doubt that she knows exactly what she's doing.

She can't be VP, her "CIC threshold" BS stymied that.

She is hoping that Obama will totally flop, and that all the superdelegates will go to her.

Or, she could be hoping to damage Obama enough that he'll lose to McCain, and she'll try again in 2012 (although, such a strategy could surely backfire on her, and make her unelectable as well).

Er. CIC Threshold? I ignored her after she voted with Leiberman on Iran.

Whether she hopes for a complete Obama meltdown or she hopes for a 2012 run, I guess I need yet another dose of disillusion.

Everytime TPM posts one of these I ask them to stop. First of all the reporting of these polls is exactly what leads to claims of bias. Today there were two tracking polls released: Rasmussen and Gallup. One showed movement for Clinton the other for Obama. When only one gets coverage the other side will think its unfair.

Second, the coverage of these polls is not very good. The pollsters themselves say that the results from a single day are not very indicative. At the very least please, please, please give us the last few numbers so we can see the trend. After all isn't that the point of a tracking poll?

Just to explain my second point, here is a more useful report on the Rasmussen tracking poll from Kos:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/19/133848/790/1009/480026

Now obviously the report, and choosing to report on Rasmussen but not Gallup, evinces a pro-Obama slant, but I think this does a much better job of putting the tracking poll in context and explaining the import. This "one person's up, the other person's down" isn't that helpful or informative.

Pollsters make money on polls. These insta polls say nothing about the state of the race. If California were voting today, Obama would have narrowed the gap or might have won. Capische. The American people have spoken, Obama has won 30 states to Hillary's 14 and he has more pledged delegates. Truth is that if Obama were a white male and Hillary were not a Clinton, strong calls would have come for her to drop out of the race and unify the party. The mainstream media and corrupt influences in the Democratic party are propping up the candidacy of a woman that a broad cross section of this country would sooner see go away and retire her LIES, MANIPULATION & DECEIT to the scrap heap of political history. AMERICA has said no to the FASCIST IN A PANT SUIT.

People still don't get it. The Clintons and their lobbyist / consultant coterie would rather control the shell of the Democratic Party than be rank-and-file participants in a healthy party. Their loyal supporters who are still actual Democrats are being played for suckers.

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National polls are interesting to the extent that they gauge to some extent the public sentiment about a candidate, but they don't seem worth much for a) primaries which are local and b) the general election which is governed by the electoral college.

For me polls are just ways to see how the public is reacting to recent news cycles. The evidence, however, is simply a matter of corroboration. Causality is another thing altogether...

I've also emailed TPM noting their table, unlike Pollster.com and Realclearpolitics, does not include the most recent 14-16 March CNN and USA Today/Gallup polls (not tracking). Each show a 7 point advantage for Obama, even with sample taking Friday to Sunday during height of Wright controversy, giving evidence that Reuters is not an outlier.

suspense, I think we should give few more days to see how Obama's speeches sink in to the public. he has another major speech on Iraq and economy tomorrow?

meanwhile, Kos has a frontpage post about Obama's poll numbers bouncing back in the wake of The Speech.

how about TPM gives us some intelligent analysis on the state of the campaigns that doesn't involve totally arbitrary and meaningless poll numbers, or copying and pasting press releases from the campaigns? or would that be too much to ask?

if i want poll numbers i can go to Pollster.com. if i want press releases i can get them anywhere. if there's no insightful commentary, why am i coming to TPM EC?

I WANT TO FIX HILLARY CLINTON FOR STAYING WITH BILL WHEN SHE SHOULD HAVE DIVORCED HIM OVER:
1. HIS ANTIMASTURBATION
2. HIS CHEATING ADULTERY
ALSO IM AGAINST HER NOT LISTENING TO ME ABOUT VOTING AGAINST THE ANTI POKER BILL (PHONE CALLS, LETTERS) AND RECEIVING FUNDING FROM HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY OVERCHARGING AND AGE DISCRIMINATING. I ALSO BELIEVE LIKE JOE LIEBERMAN THAT BILL CLINTON SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED AFTER ILLEGALLY CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.

I think Obama really needs to start thinking about getting out for the good of the party.

I think Clinton needs to start thinking about begging Obama to pick her for VP.

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What? so mccain wins in November. THE CLINTONS CAN'T WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION! I thought I'd try caps, since regular type doesn't seem to work. Why don't people get this simple concept?

Michael A:

HIllary is winning over McCain. But in same poll, Obama is losing by over 7 POINTS to McCain.

Thought I'd try bold face for same reason you tried all caps. LOL


Rae

Hillary goes into the convention with the general election poll numbers moving in her direction, do you think super delegates are going to line up behind Obama just because 'we've already had the accountabilty moment'?

Guess again.

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Yep, the supers will line up with obama, because the clintons will doom the dems in november and because the clintons can't win the general election. Simple concepts, just so hard to grasp for some.

Well, Hillary did ask him if he wanted VP slot. But now, I think he's too scandal tainted.

Obama finally decided to admit he had heard these sermons, or sermons like those of Wright to avoid everyone running around trying to dig up footage of him sitting there. That is probably too worrisom for him so he felt it was better to just admit he'd hear those rants.

But why isn't anyone talking about Obama's poor judgment in taking his children to that church and allowing them to be brainwashed by HATE SPEECH since they were born.

Most black children growing up today have a chance at living in a world that knows very little racism and prejudice. A lot of the younger blacks can't relate to what their parents or grandparents had to endure and they can have a better life because of that, to live without being corrupted by hate and racism. Let them read about black history, yes. Teach them about what was wrong before. But don't instill racism and hate in them to grow up in a world where the majority of young blacks don't operate at that level.

This was disgraceful for Obama and his wife to do. I heard Joe Scarborough say he thought it was smart to join the most popular church to get more votes if you were a politician. And they (Obama & his wife) apparently did it because that church had a big membership and because they wanted to get elected to Ill. senate and prove they were "black enough".

What does sacrificing your children for political expediency show regarding the type of judgment you exercise?

Rae K, have you ever met Rev. Wright? Why are you qualified to judge the man based on a couple of 30-second clips from 40 YEARS of sermons? Have you bothered to listen to the entirety of a single sermon of his, or read about the good work he and his church have done for the people of Chicago's South Side? If you want to say those couple of clips are hate-filled, then that is more understandable (although I'd say they are more angry than hate-filled). But to say the man HIMSELF, and the rest of the church, are hate-filled is a condemnation I don't think you are qualified to make.

The same goes for Barack and Michelle Obama. If you haven't met them, how are you sufficiently informed to judge their character or their parenting skills?

If a few brief statements are how we are to judge people, then based on your comments on this page, one could fairly conclude that you are as hate-filled and racist as you accuse Rev. Wright of being.

Yeah I was introduced to him like everyone else:
On national t.v. last week.

Several weeks ago I also watched Hannity interview him on t.v. (or try to). The guy wouldn't let him talk. He was argumentative to say the least. Wouldn't explain his views.

Rae


And, I suppose that means you have met and know Hillary Clinton well. since you referred to her on March 17th as "Her Royal Corruptness" in your comment. You must have some deep knowledge of her personally and not just a bunch of Republican talking points to say that with such assuredness.

While I regret making that sweeping generalization (based on my pledge earlier today, I am trying to replace sarcasm with substance), I do think it's fair to say that in the 16 years since Hillary Clinton became part of the national consciousness, she and her husband have engaged in activities that could reasonably be categorized as corrupt. She has also engaged in offensive, manipulative and dishonest tactics in this campaign for the Democratic nomination. And I stand by that statement.

JCC:
Who was this remark addressed to? Because I never said any such thing.

You're love of America doesn't sound any different from the brownshirts that have (and still) support George Bush.

The outrage of phony patriots like you is one of the most toxic strains of politics in America. It is almost indistinguishable from classic variants of fascism.

People like you disgust me. You disgust me.

Yes, I meant Samantha Power.

Sorry, my comment was meant for Matthew Weaver, the Sean Hannity of this site. Although RaeK seems to have the same bigoted, narrowminded, anti-democratci vision of what it means to be an american.

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