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Ferraro's Latest: "They're Attacking Me Because I'm White"

In another interview with the paper that got this whole thing started, Geraldine Ferraro echoes the emerging Hillary line that it's the Obama camp that's played the race card in this dust-up:

"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," Ferraro said. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

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Holy Crap. This is definitely NOT excellent news for Hillary.

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She also said that the only reason she was on the ticket in '84 was because she was a woman.

I guess Hillary's role as Bill's wife escapes her.

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Wow, she actually said that? She shouldn't drag Obama down to her level. Or maybe "back to her era" might be a better way to put it. Maybe she hasn't noticed, but things have changed a bit since the 60's.

Yes Obama has done community work for the poor in Chicago, and yes he's half black and all-American.

He's also from Hawaii, a very multicultural state, where he was raised by his white mom and grandparents, holds a degree in Foreign Affairs from Columbia, and was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review. He has family in Africa, and lived with an Asian step father for a while in Indonesia. His half sister is half Asian/white.

He's very popular across ethnic and class divides specifically becasue he doesn't seem to be taking sides in race wars, but represents something of Dr King's Dream personified.

He was against the war, is very intelligent and capable, and a natural leader. He has great progressive policies and a record on issues ranging from healthcare to ethics reform.

He's not a product of the Washington machine and isn't burdened with that kind of experience. He didn't architect NAFTA and ram it through Congress, or deregulate the energy markets, or all the crap passed by both Democrats and Republicans for decades.

So it's a bit absurd to define him in racial and gender stereotypes from a bygone era. People like Ferraro just don't get that most Obama supporters are past skin color and gender issues, looking at his qualifications. Obama supporters would be happy to vote for a woman, including a white woman or any color. Just not Hillary.

Where as Hillary supporters can't stop talking about gender and color. It's obnoxious.

America's greatest leaders and best people have always brought people together and transcended the prejudices of their era.

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Word.

You have saved me a lot of typing. Thanks.

THIS truly is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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Proof of Hillary's whiteness:

http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/11/clinton-busts-a-move-in-pennsylvania/

Hilarious video of her dancing with an all-white HS choir. I think the song the sing suggests that Hillary is a better dancer than Obama, but her moves don't suggest such a thing.

I've seen bobblehead dolls with better moves!

This really is excellent news for white people!! I'm so tired of African American Presidential candidates trying to keep us white politicans down!! TRUTH TO POWER!!

"the hammer"

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Tom, what are you doing slumming on a normal site? I get a total laugh every time I see your mug. Maybe the US will come back if you are here in the world of reality. USA, USA, USA.

Finally .

Someone other that David Duke running on the White Power Platform. My day has come.

"I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve this message."

I'm guessing this is not how the Clinton campaign would have preferred to continue. Though a lot of this "I'm shocked and offended" stuff is silly politics, Ferraro is really pushing it here.

A strong case can be made that Obama would have risen just as fast, and possibly faster, had he been white -- contrary to Ferraro's moronic statement. People forget that Obama's 46, not 36. He's got every bit as much raw brain power as Bill Clinton, and, I would argue, more skill as a speaker and "stumper" than Bill had as a candidate. Bill was a year younger than Obama when Bill first ran. White guys with Obama's talents are often recruited for statewide offices as entry-level elected positions, not state legislature positions. Had he been a white Harvard Law Review president with oratorical skills to die for, his trajectory might have been state attorney general (Bill's first elected office), then governor, then presidential candidate. Obama had to start his electoral career in a state senate district with a high African American population, because no money people would bet on a black statewide candidate. People often forget the stunning fact that, since Reconstruction, only 3 blacks have been elected to governorships and only 3 blacks have been elected to the US Senate. So please stop stoking race resentment, Ms. Ferraro. You have become a monster.

Here is her radio interview where she lashes out at Obama, it is MUCH WORSE than how it reads:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc

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Very good points.

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I just listened to it. She sounds like an unhinged old peckerwood for round here! It is amazing. She is right about why she was picked. They surely did not pick her for he political temprament. This is transparent race baiting.

I'm not sure I understand your point. Delegates are allocated by district. Obama overwhelmingly wins districts with a high percentage of black voters. Those districts have made him very competitive and kept him in the race. The fact that he can add college age voters and upper income, educated whites to his base gives him a good chance of winning the nomination. But if he were splitting the black vote with Clinton, he would have been out of the race long ago. The fact that he gets 50 - 60 percent of the black vote may be because he is better on the issues. The extra 30 to 40 percent is because he is black.

That's a nice bit of racism there, Billy. It doesn't follow that if 2 white candidates compete for black voters, one cannot receive 80% of the vote. What you suggest is that the reason Obama receives the black vote is because he is black. (Which, incidentally, is what Ferraro also implies.) Some black voters may vote based on skin color, just as some white voters may vote based on skin color or gender, but please give all voters the benefit of the doubt that they are basing their decisions on the merits and not on skin color. To do otherwise is to make a race-based inference.

Oh Gman get real. Blacks are voting for Obomb because he is black... period. They have every right and reason to do so and to pretend somehow it is just random is pathetic. You have a child like view of an adult situation and being pretend innocent is not cute here it is dysfunctional. With 90% of the black vote he is winning in the south because he is black. Hillary does not get 90% of the woman vote or she would be winning everywhere as easily. I am sorry the world is imperfect and complex ..... we struggle on.

I think perhaps you'd like to forget Slick Willie's race baiting in South Carolina. Black folk didn't abandon the Clinton's until Slick Willie started comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson in a deliberate attempt to marginalize him. The Clintons did it to themselves. Deal with it.

Hey Slick Victor ..... you are wrong! Blacks started to move to Obomb after he won Iowa. Much was made of it then .... did you forget in your rush to hate and blame anyone named Clinton for every sin known to man? Is Hillary "woman baiting" to point out with her mother and daughter in tow that she proudly represents progress for women? If she was getting 90% of the woman vote would anything Obomb said about women be seen a obviously sexist? Me thinks you need a moment off your high horse and back on simple fact based reality with the rest of us.

As I said in another thread, what better explains these turnout numbers for AAs is a simple rejection of the Clinton campaign condoning race-based campaigning, whether through Bill or other surrogates. Racsim is a compelling motivator and it's compelling AAs, who have been the object of racism for far too long, to soundly reject HRC. Hallelujah!

Dude~ affirmative racism is cool as hell. we vote for our own and are proud of it. 90% makes it like a godsend ..... a movement. it is not at all a negative landslide against some over hyped slight. that is such an assbackwards wishful canard. get real. stay real. hard facts set all people free, not spun little bitters. black people support Obomb because they are so greatly proud of him and what he represents as a young black man. that is great and cool and not anything you need to spin away.

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Somebody needs to make a list. Oh wait, I forgot, the Obama campaign tried to keep a list of racial tones used against them, a memo to help them decide how to respond. Amazing leaked to Hillary, she held it up as exhibit A to prove Obama was playing the race card.

OBAMA HAS BEEN TRYING TO TRANCEND RACE

When he won Iowa, 95% white, Hillary crapped her pants. I am sure they did not realize just how much crossover appeal he had.

How do you bring down a candidate like that? Who brings hope and has so much appeal over such a broad swath of America?

Paint him into the race corner. The corner he is trying so hard to stay out of. But how do you do that to a candidate who never brings up his race? Make comments that go right up to the line (and sometimes over) of outright racism. The Clinton's and their campaign and supporters can be as outright racist as they want. Any objections to that tactic are quickly turned around.

"See" the Clinton campaign says. "He is just like every sterotypical black person, screaming racism at every turn."

I don't believe they are really racists. With a racist, you know where the deep seated hate is coming from. No, they are worse than racists for they are willing to throw minorites under the bus. FOR WHAT!! For POWER? FOR MONEY?

It sure is hell is not for the DEMOCRATIC PARTY or what WE THE PEOPLE stand for, or what AMERICA STANDS FOR.

We hold these truths to be self evident - that all people are created equal.

Perhaps blacks are voting for Obama because he is black. And in that case, whites and white women are voting for Hillary because she's a white woman.

What Geraldine was really implying is: the only reason WHITES are voting for Obama is because he's black.

What reason do you have to think he'd split the black vote with Clinton if he were white? Gore got 90% of the black vote over Bradley.

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Exactly. For that matter, Bill Clinton got something like 90% of the black vote. Some even called Bill Clinton the "first black President" which a lot of people, including many blacks, found pretty obnoxious.

But enough of this race and gender bullshit.

Let's talk about Obama blowing Hillary's "experince" claims out of the water today with this news release:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/11/obama-camp-clinton-forei_n_90894.html

Yes. But you could equally make the argument that the reason he's not splitting the white vote with Hillary is ALSO because she's black. Or that the primaries Hillary has won are a direct result of racial tensions between blacks and hispanics. Or you could say that Hillary would not still be in the race if she didn't consistently carry the white female vote in every state. So this whole argument is bunk. Both of them have benefitted from race/gender/etc. In that regard it is even.

Both of them have a chance to beat Mccain if a clear winner emerges. Comments like Ferraro's are NOT helping.

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Excellent post. All good points.

Ooohhh, golly.

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I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

Just my two cents: this is going to be pretty popular among a segment of the white population in Pennsylvania....So Geraldine, I think, is going to ultimately do some good for Clinton.

In terms of votes, that is.

On the flip side, it will probably be a pyrrhic victory. Geraldine should probably stop giving any more interviews, because she's alienating more and more of the Democratic base with these interviews.

Don't antagonize me. "They're" attacking me because I'm white.

I guess I can wait for the "We all know how those people are" to be next up in the comment line.

But, according to some other reader, Geraldine Ferraro is a "national treasure", and anyone who doesn't appreciate this is just a sexist bastard.

That's some card playing, if you ask me.

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Ferraro has done some good things and is certainly a respectable person in that regard.

She's also a Hillary proxy and they want to raise the race issue because they'd rather be divisive than focus on issues like Hillary's record and bogus claims of "experience" or other issues like judgment, likability, political talent, appeal to independents, record as a Progressive, delegate count, and popular vote.

Obama could point out that his mom was white...... Geraldine needs to de-escalate this for the sake of her own candidate.

...unless they're specifically trying to appeal to racist voters......

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Which, of course, they are. Trying to appeal to racist voters, that is.

That, or Geraldine Ferraro is slowing losing her political skills.

Hate to say it, but I'd prefer the reason to be the latter, not the former, but I suspect they know precisely what they're doing.

Scorched earth, people.

Wow.

This is really red meat, conservative talk radio stuff right here. I mean, you hear crap like, "whites are actually the most discriminated against people in the country," coming out of Republicans all the time. But something like this from a Democrat? Wow.

There isn't a group out there that's been more loyal to the Democratic party than African Americans. Does Howard Dean really want to risk losing them over Hillary's kitchen sink strategy? Does Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid, for that matter?

You also hear this type of rhetoric in the "white power" movement. After what black people have gone through in this country for centuries, to suggest that it would somehow be easy for a black man to rise to the presidency is simply idiotic. This is yet another appeal from the Clinton campaign to people's baser instincts. It is another in a series of attempts to use HRC whiteness as a political asset, and to try to exploit prejudice against black people for political gain.

An excellent point. I'd like to see some side-by-sides of Ferraro's and Williams' quotes with Limbaugh's similar quotes. I bet they exist. Anybody got a Factiva or Lexis/Nexis account?

"Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

A very sad day indeed for the democratic party.

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My email to this foolish woman.

Subject: Please resign from the Clinton campaign
To: gferraro@hfgcg.com

Mrs. Ferraro,

I am a lifelong Democrat. I voted for you and Walter Mondale back in 1984 as I have for every Democratic candidate for president in my lifetime. I am white. I urge you to step down from the Clinton campaign because, with all due respect ma'm, you are a race baiting jerk. Get out now before you do more damage to our party and our nominee whoever that eventually becomes.

Sincerely,

Mark Garrity

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No, Mrs. Ferraro, they are attacking you because you made an idiotic and insensitive statement when you said that Barack Obama, an incredibly talented and accomplished individual, has only reached the heights he has because of his race. In fact, you were so dumb and insensitive as to say that he is "very lucky" to be black. Perhaps, Mrs. Ferraro, you read a little history and talk to people like the family of Emmitt Till and see "lucky" one is to be born black in the United States. Besides, before you question the credentials of a man who has pulled himself up from his bootstraps, why don't you ask whether if Hillary CLinton would be where she is if she weren't married to a former president of the United States?

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"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up."

how is saying, "barack obama is lucky because he's black" adressing the issues and problems we face in this world?

C'mon geraldine, don't change the subject and pretend you're being criticized for a policy critique or something.

you're being "attacked" because you said something incredibly stupid and incredibly insensitive.

i have to wonder, seeing as how hillary is DEFENDING her, if this isn't part of the "kitchen sink" strategy.

Could somebody please explain to me how this is a good idea? I mean, it might be a good idea in PA, but what happens if Hillary does kneecap Obama and get to the general. How does she expect to win if the black Dems stay home? It's not like she has such great appeal to independents...

The GE? They only look at one race at a time, and only the race that favors them next.

Agreed, the further down the trashy path HRC goes the less likely it is she'll be able to build a winning coalition in November. Silly, shortsighted, not ready on any day.

This is about the fourth or fifth stupid comment by Ferraro this season. Remember when she said essentially that the Superdelegates should decide the race because we're smarter than you?

That said, there is a large swath of 'poor put-upon white voters' who would agree with what she's saying. These are the same people who cheered Reagan when he suggested that Welfare Queens were making out at their expense. Such voters thrive in Appalachia.

Other voters are getting sick of this crap. Obama needs to get an economic plan together NOW, and go from town to town in PA, saying, here's how I'm going to help you. Say, 'I feel your pain,' pander like hell, whatever. Act two is in full swing. If he really seals the deal that he is the best one to deal with kitchen table issues, BS like this from the Clinton camp won't matter as much.

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This is obviously being orchestrated by the campaign. I think there are too many people have no idea how toxic Ferraro's comments are. For the last 30 years every successful black professional has had to hear how he is only successful because of his race and not because of his talents. If these tactics are successful I really cannot see how these people could ever support any white democrat.

These accusations have come from less successful white coworkers who carry these feelings as deep resentments even when they insist that they are not racist. These resentments will deepen during economic downturns.

The Hillary campaign is now reminding all of these insecure white workers of low economic status that Obama is just another one of thse black people who have taken their jobs. Unfortunately, this politics of resentment will likely be effective.
Obama has already attracted most of the highly educated and more enlightened democrats so this particularly nasty tactic may not cause any backlash among Hillary's remaining supporters. However, if there are still some of you out there, please do not go along with these tactics, let her know that you will not support this kind of race mongering..

Good point, Obama's mom was white. So he can tie Ferraro into knots.

"Just my two cents: this is going to be pretty popular among a segment of the white population in Pennsylvania....So Geraldine, I think, is going to ultimately do some good for Clinton."

Whatever. The kind of people who this will "do good" are the kind who never would have voted for Obama to begin with.

So, when did Geraldine turn into Lisa Lampanelli?

She hasn't. One makes jokes - like them or not - and the other sincerely means what she says.
Which makes it really really sad

No, you're being attacked because you're a race-baiting moron.

And I agree this is orchestrated by the Clinton Kamikazee Campaign. Part of the kitchen sink. This is going to be a long, ugly spring.

I don't know if Clinton's campaign planned things to work out this way, but "they attack me because I'm white" could be desperate spin, or it could be part of a strategy to appeal to whites who resent affirmative action. Obama's camapign will have to be very careful about how they play into this.

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Or it could be just plain racist and if our party is so full of racists that Obama can't be nominated so be it but don't tell me then that it matters if I vote for John McCain and a white guy Supreme Court. Bigots are bigots and if we have two parties full of them, time to start a third.

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There already is a third -- the Green party -- and if Hillary manages to destroy Obama and steal this, I will only ever vote for her in the GE IF she is losing California in early November polls, and it'll be the most embarrassing vote in my life. I'll need a long hot shower to cleanse myself should it ever come to that.

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I never thought I'd say something like this. Maybe a better way to say it is I never thought I'd have to say somehing like this.

I just don't think I can bring myself to vote for a Democrat who uses race as a divisive issue for political advantage.

I started out hoping Gore would throw his hat in the ring; when he didn't I supported Edwards. When Edwards dropped out, I didn't see much difference between Obama and Clinton on most issues, and I decided to vote for Obama in the primary based on my perception that he would be less likely to support the status quo. I wasn't crazy about Hillary and I was only a little more lukewarm for Obama.

The tactics the Clinton campaign tried to use in South Carolina and are trying to use again in Pennsylvania have become deal-breakers for me. It doesn't help that these are coupled with the multiple offensive and gratuitusly stupid comments about the "Commander-in-Chief threshhold".

I can't support that.
In fact, I won't support it, and if necessary I'll vote Green or some other way in the fall to prove my point.

They're not getting into the White House using those tactics with my vote.

I'm with you blue. If this is the Democratic party, then then I definitely don't belong.
Green acres is the place for me, ...

This woman is an embarassment -- first Spitzer and now Ferraro. I simply cannot deal with another Democrat gone really, really, really bad. We got our basic sex addict. Now we got our basic racist.
Thank goodness this woman no longer holds office.

Yes, Geraldine, that's it, it is because you are white and has nothing to do with being in a club with Barbara Bush. Re Katrina refugees "They really are better off now aren't they".

Seriously though, Obama needs to let the media take this and he needs to just let it go. He needs to take the high road on this.

Now this folks is what it means to play the race card.

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There you go again. She's just trying to point out reality, and you think it's a "race" thing.

Geez. Can't you do nuance?

Sorry, I flunked nuance in college.

Agreed. This will resonate nicely with uneducated whites in PA, just as it would in Ohio. It's nasty, divisive stuff, but it is effective politics in the short-term .

There are some people who really believe black people have it easy in this country, even though they are much more likely to be poor, to be the victims of crime, to live in bad neighborhoods, to attend lousy schools, to die young, to lack medical insurance, etc. Those people will believe that Obama is winning because he is black ---- nevermind his obvious and undeniably superior political skills.

Could they possibly be doing this on purpose?

Looks like the news cycle is shifting.

Hillary, where are you? Reject and denounce immediately. This lady is insane. I'm one of your biggest supporters, but jesus christ respond already!

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She already has. She called the remarks "unfortunate" then said "we both have supporters that are passionate"

WAY TO REJECT AND DENOUNCE THERE HILL

This has gone beyond the point of where it makes strategic sense for the Clinton campaign. This may appeal to some conservative whites in Mississippi and Pennsylvannia, but it surely turns the stomach of most others.

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aw, jeez. I barely remember her run for Pres, but I've got about no respect for her right now

"how's that?" nah-nah-nee-boo-boo

how's it gonna feel to be irrelevant when the world wakes up to the truth that Hillary has lost?

The interesting thing about this whole episode to me is that Ferraro is wrong on her assertion. If BO were white, I suspect that he'd have wrapped up the democratic nomination by now! There have been others who have run based on what the pundits would call a "thin resume" (i.e., John Edwards), and have done quite well.

OK, that's it --

Gore, Richardson, Edwards, time to step up!

Just my two cents: this is going to be pretty popular among a segment of the white population in Pennsylvania....So Geraldine, I think, is going to ultimately do some good for Clinton.

It's a bit early if this is supposed to be a pre-meditated tactic. Hard to imagine this week's news will linger in the minds of those who are susceptible to and likely to be influenced by race-baiting comments. With any luck it will lead to more and greater mistakes by the HRC campaign and have a snowball effect she can't overcome by mid-April.

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Boy, I sincerely hope so, but this is the sort of thing that may be picked up, and linger in the background for some voters.

On the other hand, what do I know? I'm a political junkie. No sense of perspective at this point. Haven't they been running in these primaries and caucuses for at least 5 years at this point??

Can't be sure if it's premeditated but she is making these statements on Fox News so the idea that she's playing to a particular audience looks pretty accurate.

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I heard Keith Olbermann say he is going to have a "Special Comments" segment tomorrow night on Hillary's campaign. Set your recording devices now. He usually reserves these special moments for GWB himself!

BHO has responded to her statements - now move on! The longer this spat drags out will not be good for him. This is yet another attempt by the Clinton campaign to blacken him up - coinciding with the MS primary. How rich!

And didn't she give an interview on Fox News and say the same thing? Unless she pops up on CNN running this bullshit, this is part of a strategy.

Ha ha - Mark Garrity is one of the 3 people who voted for Fritz & Tits!

The Billary McBush campaign runs like a old race-baiting 1920's
monster bash complete with white hoodies.

This is beyond words. Hillary is a "MONSTER".

I will never vote for a CLINTON again. BTW, I sold my tickets
for a trip on the "CLINTANIC" long ago. I would rather travel
on a slave ship.

God Help America!

Nixon's Southern strategy = Clinton's Rust Belt strategy - 35 years of racial progress + pantsuit.

What's totally baffling is that NO ONE in the campaign sees this as damaging overall. Not a SINGLE person at the top has told Hillary that alienating black voters cuts the democratic base by like 20-30%. And Hillary ISNT Bill. While Bill could take advantage of the serendipitous entry of Ross Perot in 1992 to suck some center leaning republicans away from bush, Hillary isn't going to get a damn thing from them. No Republican worth his/her salt will say "Gee, the way that Hillary marginalized that black guy was keen, I'll forget the vervent, near sociopathic hatred I have for her and vote for her in '08". Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

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LOL.

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The Clinton's never cared about African Americans. They only cared about their votes, and the opportunity to use them as props in their campaign commericals.

People only think the Clinton's cared about African Americans because, in comparison to the honest racists in the Republican Party, they looked humane and compassionate.

But what, honestly, did the Clintons ever do for the African American community - or any other community except the bankers on Wall Street. Don't forget that it was Gore, not Clinton, that flew into New Orleans to help get the wounded out.

My guess is that Hillary is running to be the first "Latino" President the same way that Clinton became the first "Black" President.

Funny that Hillary's interest in Latino's developed just as they became an influential voting block.

To paraphrase Kanye West, "Hillary Clinton doesn't care about black people."

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Check out how much Hillary and Bill helped in New Orleans:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commence.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Milestones%3A+Hillary+Clinton&st=nyt&oref=slogin

I think the last line of the article is especially telling.

Polls close in 11 minutes. When do you guys think they'll call Mississippi? 12 minutes? 13?

They will call it as soon as their countdown hits 0.

Is Ferraro retarded?!?

I mean, did I really hear her say that Obama [you know, the 55 million dollar man!], would need her help to raise money?!?

maxwd,thanks for the YouTube link - truly scary stuff. Most frightening is that it's on the John Gibson show...

Yes, folks, Geraldine Ferraro - former Dem VP candidate, ardent HRC supporter - went on the radio show of this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibson_(media_host)

I knew there was something awful recently about Gibson - he's the guy who turned Heath Ledger's death into a comedy routine within 24 hours. Scroll down to the "Controversy" section and it's even worse. Here's a taste:

"Following the 2007 SuccessTech Academy shooting in Cleveland, Ohio, on his radio show Gibson commented 'I knew the shooter was white. I knew he would have shot himself. Hip-hoppers don't do that. They shoot and move on to shoot again. And I could tell right away because he killed himself. Black shooters don't do that. They shoot and move on.'"

So we have a Clinton surrogate appearing with one of the most despicable hosts in already pretty filthy pool...

Delivering this filth on Fox News is no accident. The Clinton campaign knows the FNC audience; Ferraro's remarks are tailored for them.

There's not a thing these people do that isn't calculated for maximum impact.

As Barack Obama would say "it's the math".

It is possible to count up all the states he has won, calculate the percentage of black voters who voted for him in each of those states and check, numerically, whether Geraldine Ferraro is correct.

So why do we do so?

Gosh, it is soooooo much easier to cry racism instead!!

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Obama won well over 60% of the vote in Minnesota and feel free to calculate the percentage of black voters.

Let's see.

1. Prince.
2. Ummm, anyone kjnow how many of the Minnesota Vikings or Timberwolves have residence in Minnesota?

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Chris Rock compels me to remind you of Kirby Puckett, as well.

I'm an African-American who dated a half-Lebanese woman from MN. And no, there are not a lot of us up there at all.

I didn't want to completely plagiarize Chris Rock. haha

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Um, that was a caucus. So none of those votes count!

What do you think the percentage of black voters he would get would be if he were white? Do you think a 50/50 split is fair, or would they break for Obama anyway because those fold are all sexist?

White women in Geraldine Ferraro's age group are among the most hardened racists I know. I meet them all the time, and since I am white, they feel free to speak their minds. The will never vote for a black person for President, and will go out of their way to stop that person from even getting close. Many of them tell me that they are only voting for Hillary to stop the colored guy. That is how they refer to Senator Obama. Many of them say they can not stand Hillary, but they will vote for her in the primaries, and will vote for McCain in November.

That is the real reason why they have been turning out in such large numbers for Hillary.

Geraldine Ferraro knew what she was saying. She was telling that particular group: what you believe is alright. That black guy is not qualified and he does not deserve to be where he is. That message was targeted to those older white women. Ferraro is a very successful attorney. She does not go around making statements in an unpremeditated and unplanned manner. She crafted the message, and the Clinton camp picked her to deliver it because she fits the profile of those the message is targeted to have an impact on.

This has been my experience too, even in my own somewhat liberal family. This makes me worried. What do they do in the general if it's Obama? Vote for McCranky?

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Don't be silly, Geraldine. They're attacking you because you're a woman.

Hah!

OK, that's it -- Gore, Richardson, Edwards, time to step up!

Damn straight.

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Exactly. Hurry up already!

This could get really ugly.

Or Uglier.

Ed Rendell won't be stepping up. Don't forget that he encouraged this by stating whites in his state might be inclined to vote for Hillary BECAUSE she's white. I don't believe for a minute that the Clinton campaign is tamping this Ferraro stuff down...it was aware of what she'd say (she was no doubt calling in and whining about the "sexism" and "racism") and it all works to their benefit to try to turn all this on Obama. Rendell showed them the way....

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Of course, and when you are overtly using race in your strategy, your campaign is racist. It's not code any more. It's not subtle. It's not indirect. It flagrantly and explicity using a candidates race against him. That is racist. That is bigotry. That is not merely politics.

I can say categoricaly that my vote for Obama (I'm white, upper middle class) has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with his policies, number one, followed by what I perceive to be extraordinary charisma, intelligence, decency, and a unique gift to bring people together.

As Barack Obama would say "it's the math".

It is possible to count up all the states he has won, calculate the percentage of black voters who voted for him in each of those states and check, numerically, whether Geraldine Ferraro is correct.

So why don't we do so?

Gosh, because it is soooooo much easier to cry racism instead!!

And how do we count how many people voted for HRC because she was white? Look at Ferraro and tell me they're not out there?

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And this is where the silly season just gets sad and pathetic.

How long until Geraldine says "But I've got black friends, and they know I'm not racist"

No, Geraldine, you're not a racist but if you don't understand the implications and insensitivity of what you're saying then you do need to go to some diversity classes or something. Yes, it is easier to be openly sexist in much of today's society than racist. But that still doesn't make what you said right or accurate.

Smart and kind people say stupid things all the time. Geraldine needs a time-out. Clinton better cut her losses quickly.


ha! The black friend defense.

Can the Chewbacca defense be far behind?

So much of the focus is on Obama being black. He's half black and half white.

It's interesting how so many people, not just the open racists, the Clinton supporters, but the media and even his own supporters focus solely on his appearance and characterize him as "African American." Obviously he doesn't run from that characterization, and I believe he discussed in his book how he accepted that's how he would be considered. But he doesn't run from being half white either, yet no one even thinks about it.

So when Ferraro turns this into a black versus white issue, it's not nearly as simple as that, is it? But then racism is all about oversimplification.

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What's sad is that Ferraro's obituary could have been all feel good, "She was the first female VP candidate" stuff. Now, she had to go mess it up with the Marge Schott shit.

No doubt the Clinton campaign's going to trot out Barbara Bush to speak on its behalf soon.

This is getting hard to believe. I've never — never — felt anything but respect for Hillary Clinton. I'm beginning to feel completely disillusioned.

wtf?

This is the trick. Hillary et al are looking for this in Penn. next month. I live in Milwaukee, a blue city in a blue state, home of the Progressive Party, etc etc etc. Milwaukee is one of the more racist places you will find. It's consistently one of the most segregated cities and the inhabitants (or rather, the people who don't live there) don't talk about race.

This is the SAME deal. Appeal to white men who think that they are denied what they deserve because of black privilege. Ride on that support and call it the "base". if hillary wins, this will TRULY be a Nixonian turn in the party, and a self-destructive one as well.

Hello, fellow Milwaukeean.

Hello, hello. I'm coming from the fashionable east side. Where are you hailing from?

The East Side as well. Small world.

Perhaps not so small. If I were to take a guess as to where a liberal, white Milwaukee resident would live, I wouldn't do poorly to guess 1 of three neighborhoods:

Riverwest

The East Side

Bayview

:)

haha, touche.

Here's hoping you vote Patrick Flaherty for City Council.

(He's family...)

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Hey hey hey! Another Eastsider here. Go Flaherty!

No, I live in a neighboring state. I'm proud to say Patrick is part of my family. And he deserves your vote even if he isn't.

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Oooh, looks like Olbermann is going to hammer her on this.

I'm sorry but the woman is an idiot.

Perhaps it's a good thing she was never elected vice president.

Quoted from the article: "Ferraro said she was not trying to diminish Obama's candidacy, and acknowledged up front that she would not have been the vice presidential nominee in 1984 if she had been a man.

But she also echoed remarks of feminist leaders like Gloria Steinem, who argued in the New York Times that Obama would not have succeeded if he were a woman because gender is "the most restricting force in American life."

"Sexism is a bigger problem," Ferraro argued. "It's OK to be sexist in some people's minds. It's not OK to be racist."

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Obama has never stated that he is a vote for "change" or that he "represents change" because he's African-American.

Yet Hillary has used the argument that SHE is a vote for "change" and "physically represents change" because she is a woman.

Hillary's campaign has actively pursued women from the start.

Obama's campaign has actively pursued people who want to change politics as usual.

So Ferraro is simply not making any sense to me.


Hmmmm. Appeals my link got taken by the link monster.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181704.php

there.

Oh my god I can't believe this woman doesn't shut up. She just digs the whole deeper every time she talks.

That would be 'hole'. Sigh...

White women in Geraldine Ferraro's age group are among the most hardened racists I know. I meet them all the time, and since I am white, they feel free to speak their minds. The will never vote for a black person for President, and will go out of their way to stop that person from even getting close. Many of them tell me that they are only voting for Hillary to stop the colored guy. That is how they refer to Senator Obama. Many of them say they can not stand Hillary, but they will vote for her in the primaries, and will vote for McCain in November.

That is the real reason why they have been turning out in such large numbers for Hillary.

Geraldine Ferraro knew what she was saying. She was telling that particular group: what you believe is alright. That black guy is not qualified and he does not deserve to be where he is. That message was targeted to those older white women. Ferraro is a very successful attorney. She does not go around making statements in an unpremeditated and unplanned manner. She crafted the message, and the Clinton camp picked her to deliver it because she fits the profile of those the message is targeted to have an impact on.

Ferrarokhan, anyone?

Seriously, this woman is around the bend. I am not a Clinton supporter, as anyone who reads here knows. I have already expressed doubts about being able to cast a vote for Clinton in the event she somehow overcomes basic arithmetic and seizes the nomination. If Ferraro is not fired immediately and publicly, and renounced by Clinton herself (no surrogates this time, Hillary, you have to do it) I promise I will actively work against Clinton in the general, and I can and will bring others with me.

Racism of this sort has no place whatsoever in the Democratic Party.

If she really thinks people are attacking her "because she's white" she is in dire need of professional help. She is being attacked, justifiably, because her statements are outright racist.

Geraldine, have a nice big cup of STFU. Now.

The majority of Obama's supporters are white. How's that?

Can't we all just get along?

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The Clinton campaign is shameless, and keeps putting forward surrogates to make bigoted comments and then pretends not to be responsible.

This nation needs to move beyond the Clintons. We do not need more of the this hate-filled Bush-Clinton partisan warfare and the politics of the division and destruction.

Hillary is no leader. Her campaign is in chaos. All it has is dishonest negativism.

How does the Clinton camp expect this to play with black voters in November. I swear she'd knife her own mother in the back if that would get her what she wants.

She has lost her freaking mind. My dad started to get all racist when he when senile, too.

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I listened to the audio clip. She sounded a bit unstable to me. Might be a case of hardening of the arteries in Geraldine's brain, or something.

To paraphrase Robert De Niro (in Midnight Run): "I got two words for you Geraldine. Shut the fuck up!"

Where do you work, dude? It sounds a little scary.

HAHAHA, OH WOW...

You know, Axelrod's call for Clinton to dump her really won't do much good. As Ferraro points out, she's basically a fund-raiser (and a Fox "News" contributor) and she'll keep raising funds and saying crazy shit no matter what. However, it's probably in Clinton's best interest if she would just shut up. I can't see how this does much good for her campaign.

Axelrod's call to dump her won't do any good because the MSM is barely covering this story - not even a tiny fraction of the coverage that the 'monster' story got.

MSNBC is all over it.

What is the definition of MSM?

Main Stream Media

haha, thanks, smartass ;)

I've got your back.

One of the headline stories on CNN right now.

"Geraldine Ferraro knew what she was saying. She was telling that particular group: what you believe is alright. That black guy is not qualified and he does not deserve to be where he is. That message was targeted to those older white women. Ferraro is a very successful attorney. She does not go around making statements in an unpremeditated and unplanned manner. She crafted the message, and the Clinton camp picked her to deliver it because she fits the profile of those the message is targeted to have an impact on."

Technically, Hillary fits your profile, too. Just sayin'

Scarcasm requires Irony.

Hillary is just pathetic.

I think liam is right this is probably deliberate.

But why on earth can't she just tell her surrogates to STFU on racial comments, and talk about the issues?

1) Eithe she can't control her campaign

or

2) She's a two-faced racist liar

I think HRC should be asked this question

But why on earth can't she just tell her surrogates to STFU on racial comments, and talk about the issues?

There's an interesting corollary here, too. If we accept that Bill and Ferraro have both spouted off unscripted racial innuendo, and the HRC campaign responded by putting a muzzle on Bill, we should expect them, quietly, to put a muzzle on Ferraro. But as of this afternoon, they've been defending her. Is it a sign that Ferraro's remarks are not uncontrolled, but a sign that HRC has decided she needs to play the race card to take Obama down? Pathetic, really.

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Just watched the video and she's clearly a liar.

She tries to pretend she's not a partisan in this race when she so obviously is (attacking Obama's life story and being on Hillary finance committee).

Horrendous attacks? Pah-lease. You're raising money for the candidate of horrendous attacks, all the while making such attacks yourself.

It's simply disgusting and makes me ashamed.

Hmmm.

If Obama is black because his father was black, then by the same logic he is white because his mother was white. Ergo, Ferraro's just pissed because another white guy is going to be the Democratic nominee for president. Same old same old.

BTW, what is it with failed Democratic VP candidates? First Lieberman and now Ferraro. What's next, John Edwards declaring that the Earth is flat and firing up the crowd at CPAC?

If we go by the rules of Judaism (and why the hell not, the Clintons love throwing in random rule changes) then Obama is actually white since his mother is white. Whoa. haha

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i agree we really need to get the Obama is white message out.

This woman has truly lost it now, if she ever had it in the first place.

If Clinton doesn't have the judgment to fire someone who makes these sorts of comments immediately, she doesn't have the judgment to be president of the United States.

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Well it good we are getting this all out the way now. Please let all the racist people black, white, hispanic, Asian please step foward now. Today is your day. Come on let of the stem. White is underattack.

Obama will net at least 7 delegates tonight. For those of you counting at home, that'll erase all of Hillary's gains she made in OH and RI.

Congratulations, Geraldine.

You've just become the left wing answer to Anne Coulter.

she must be drawing contrast

You mean Ferraro was drawing a contrast between herself and human beings, right?

That works.

Which raises a disturbing question: if this is a campaign tactic, can we expect an HRC surrogate to go on Fox, a new surrogate once a week, between now and 4/22 to stoke the race issue, again and again? And, can it go on that long without the adults in the party intervening?

Chuck Todd says Clinton now needs to win 64% of the remaining delegates. Eek.

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64% to tie ... tying isn't and never was relevant ... say tah tah to your (Obama) supers once he loses the big 3 contest that remain.

Wait, what?

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Are you talking about Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico and North Carolina?

Read the actual interview - she leaves us with this thought: "Sexism is a bigger problem," Ferraro argued. "It's OK to be sexist in some people's minds. It's not OK to be racist."

Huh? Is she actually inferring that it should be OK to be racist? (i'm only half joking.)

Ugh. What a cow. (FYI - Lest this should be misinterpreted as sexism, I'm pretty sure Hastert was a cow as well.) Only now am I happy we didn't have to live at least four years with this one working in the White House.

It is dangerous to make this comparison. First, it is OK to be racist in a lot of places. (Look at the white vote break-down in Mississippi, this evening, and compare it to non-Southern states.) The other thing is that the vestiges of racism seem more intractible than sexism. Women have made tremendous strides in the past few decades; progress for blacks has been much slower. Black folks are still much, much more likely to live below the poverty line.

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Geraldine Ferraro echoes the emerging Hillary line that it's the Obama camp that's played the race card in this dust-up

Greg, what's your basis for how this is an "emerging Hillary line"? If you're still on the Maggie Williams thing, that's not at all what she said. There's no reason to think that Ferraro isn't completely off the rails flapping her own lips with her own agenda. Not everything that happens in a campaign is orchestrated by the candidate and her key staff from the top down.

If this was just one statement, then you might have a case that Ferraro was going rogue, but this is two days of on-the-record, borderline racist comments from this slime, and the campaign has done NOTHING to rein her in. If they wanted to, they could have cut her down in the most forceful terms and fired her yesterday. We've seen what their reaction has been; continues to be. The longer the Clinton campaign continues on like this the more apparent it becomes that this is an element of a larger strategy they have every intention of pursuing.

Expect a lot more of this in the weeks to come, because, with the exception of Keith Olbermann this evening on MSNBC, no one in the MSM is talking about this as anything more than an intriguing development in the electoral chess game.

It doesn't get more sickening than this.

We the thinking people of the world call bs on Ferraro. She brought race in to it AGAIN with her first comments and then calles racisim on the Obama people when the point it out. B Mother Effint S!!!! When I first heard this I was shocked. Some of these Hillary People have left the building. WTF@!?!

We the thinking people of the world call bs on Ferraro. She brought race in to it AGAIN with her first comments and then calles racisim on the Obama people when the point it out. B Mother Effint S!!!! When I first heard this I was shocked. Some of these Hillary People have left the building. WTF@!?!

I don't expect Ferraro or the Clinton campaign to back down or apologize. Both Ferraro's initial statement and her response to the reaction she provoked may have been articulated to evoke white resentment, which can run strong among stressed working and middle class whites, that African-Americans have unfair advantages because of affirmative-action. Ferraro's claim that Obama was "lucky" to be running as African-American, suggests that he wouldn't have a shot at the job otherwise. Ferraro's characterization of the criticism directed at her remarks as anti-white racism further evokes white resentment at affirmative action, now conceived as a form of reverse racism. This may be part of a meme the Clinton campaign aims to develop in PA: Obama is an unqualified affirmative-action candidate who is stealing the job from a hard-working and highly qualified white person.

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It's nothing so elegant as a meme. When you attack a candidate based on his race, it's racism.

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"This may be part of a meme the Clinton campaign aims to develop in PA: Obama is an unqualified affirmative-action candidate who is stealing the job from a hard-working and highly qualified white person."

I agree 100%, this is just a purposeful effort to label Obama as the black candidate again. That this happens on the day of one of the more racially polarized primaries, is not a coincidence.

The reporting tonight is great so far. CNN gave Obama the Texas caucus WINNER logo, and has changed Texas to a 2-color state. And MSNBC just reported the Texas caucus win AND the 8-delegate swing in CA.

Good stuff.

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I'm ashamed that I ever voted for Ferraro. What a horrible legacy for the first woman on a presidential ticket. I listened to the interview via the youtube link someone gave above. Her tone of voice, her calling that cretin John Gibson "sweetie" (and he almost sounded sane next to her), her ridiculous claims -- it was truly disgusting.

Choska, you said it absolutely right:
"The Clinton's never cared about African Americans. They only cared about their votes, and the opportunity to use them as props in their campaign commericals."

I am amazed that so many people still don't see this! As the Pepsi commercial says "Wake up people!"
The whole notion that Bill was the first 'black' president is SOOO patronizing and disgusting.
For the record, I'm not a big Obama fan (Edwards was my guy) but ALL of hillary's tactics show why Choska's words are so true, she just wants to win for HER. Not for me or you, not for the poor or for the sick and definitely not for America.

Thanks Maxwd, You're dead on.

Obamaistas seem to call everyone who is not pro Obama a RACIST. Obama: the politics of hope and change or lies and hatred.

If Senator Obama thinks he will win Clinton voters, I will McCain if Obama is at the top of the ticket this year) but looks like I'm not the only one:
Early MS Exit Poll Highlights
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/11/ap/politics/main3927250.shtml

_ Nearly three-fourths of Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama wins the nomination.

Obama (same train wreck as): McGovern, Kerry, Gore, Dukaukis, Mondale, Humphrey ... Obama wears on loyal traditional Democrats who are happy to split our ticket.

I do indeed believe that much of the opposition to Obama is because he is black. I think that is particularly the case in Southern states, like Mississippi. Indeed, HRC consistently wins those voting on the basis of race and those who don't think the country is "ready" for a black president. So, while it is of course possible to support HRC and to not to be racist, her support seems based partly on white people unwilling to vote for a black person. Given the expressly racist statements of Ferraro and the Clinton campaign, HRC supporters -- like it or not -- are in league with racists. That may not make them racist, but it does suggest that they don't have that much of a problem with racism.

Marginal, yes. Player, no.

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no marginal player,

only people who are as simple minded to say that "race" is the only reason where Obama is today, get to be called racist, or at least they're adhering to racist reasoning.

the reason why that is racist, is because that it's not likely to be true. You may just think it's so, but that's b/c you do not think things through. If anything, I argue, being black, is just one thing, that allows him to stick out from the pack. But that doesn't necessarily help.

Four points:

1. Her statement ignores the indisputable greater difficulty that a black person has getting elected US Senator.

He is only the 3rd black elected to the US Senate since 1865. So, once he made it to the Senate, being the only african-american, certainly allows him to stand out. But it completely ignores the fact, that out of hundreds of US Senators (since 1865), he's only the 3rd black one. Something, that wasn't made easier b/c of his race.


2. Barry Williams

I would argue, it's his foreign name, that causes people to think deeper about him. If he were just Barry Williams, I don't think he'd have the same publicity. That's just my opinion.

3. He didn't vote for the war stupid.

Although he couldn't vote for the war, out of all the major democratic presidential candidates, he was the only one who took a public, anti-Iraq war position. Think about it. Nearly all the Dems running for pres. voted for the war. Don't you think, on the biggest issue to dems, the fact that he took a position that the majority of dems agreed with at the time, could be a bigger reason for his success, then lucky him, he was born confused mix-race, and had his dad leave him at 2 etc . . .

4. By discussing race, we're ignoring the actual candidates.

Sure, Biden and Dodd have been around forever. And they're MORE experienced. But you know what, I'd rather watch paint dry then hear those two talk. Barack, through his campaign, has demonstrated that he is a genuine leader. The fact that Obama can communicate to most Americans, better than most politicians, I would say, is why he's doing well.

so yes, saying he's lucky to be black is a racist thing to say. b/c the walls that Geraldine had to crash through, and I'm sure there were many and substantial, aren't quite the same as the walls that minorities have to deal with. She may have been made to feel like an outsider in the boardroom, but she has never been made to feel like an outsider in this country, something that racial/ethnic minorities have to deal with, and sanctimonious paleo-feminists do not.

That's fine with me dude. Stay home. We don't want you.

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According to Howard Fineman, this is the Clinton strategy. Olberman says he's speechless, "Are we living in South Africa".

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position"
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position"
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position"

Wow

i really dont know what else to say

Race COST Obama 12.9% of the vote in Ohio.

"One-fifth of white Ohio voters said race was an important issue to their vote, and those who did voted three in four for Clinton."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23473864/

(scroll down to the inset exit poll box)

Ohio population 86% white (wikipedia) 0.86 x 0.2 x 0.75 = 0.129

Ferraro, and for that matter the Clintons, should be tossed out of the Democratic Party for exploiting racial division.

Olberman is KILLING Hillary on this.

WMO is right on. I know, my family tends to be of the urban working class, Catholic, resenting balck people type. I'm sure my aunt is reading Ferraros comments and nodding her head.

Marginal Player, has it occured to you that just a few weeks ago, as reported by Josh, both Clinton supporters and Obama supporters were happy with each other until the Clintons went on their scorched-earth campaign? Obviously not.

If you see a frog sitting on a fence post, the chances are it didn't get there by itself

They're just adding to the kitchen sink. This is just the sort of campaign that the Clintons want to run...PA is just as James Carville said it was...Alabama in between and not black Alabama, white Alabama Howard Fineman Olbermann 3.10.08
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Turtle.

Hillary Clinton is a racist.

Period.

I'm tempted to say Hillary just jumped the shark, again. But, how can a candidate that's already lost any legitimate chance at the nomination jump a shark that's already been jumped. Unless she's jump roping the shark. Yeah, that works.

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Nearly three-fourths of Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama wins the nomination.

And let's see, who are Clinton voters in the primary in Mississippi?

White folks. From Mississippi.

This is surprising, exactly, why?

By the way, "dissatisfied" is not the same thing as as saying "I'll vote for McCain or sit out." Lots of Deaniacs were dissatisfied with Kerry especially during the primary race in 2004, but I don't know a single one who failed to vote for him.

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Kerry isn't a racist.

Let me make sure I understand the Clinton/Ferraro logic:

You see I'm not racist, I just want everyone else to recognize that there are all these other racists out there who won't vote for a Black man. Ergo I won't vote for a black man. By the way. You're racist for voting for a black man.

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"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist..."

Was claiming that the main reason Obama has achieved the success he has was because of the color of his skin addressing the problems we're facing in this world? GF is full of it. She got caught making a dismissive statement about race.

But, I understand her point: would Obama get 60-80% of the black vote in some states if he were white? No. But then, can we also say - without being sexist - that Clinton has had as much success as she has because she's a woman? How much of her vote has come from women voting for her simply because she's female? You can't have it both ways, ladies (and gents).

If Hillary won't denounce this, then maybe Mondale, who is basically a good guy, will. What's ironic, of course, is that there is no more cospicuous affirmative action baby, in all of American political history, than Geraldine Ferraro.

...there is no more cospicuous affirmative action baby, in all of American political history, than Geraldine Ferraro.

And now Obama wants to top her?

Barack Obama has been and again today is being elected the Democratic nominee, by millions of voters in dozens of cotests. By contrast, Geraldine Ferraro was chosen by one person, Walter Mondale; his selection of her was then approved by acclamation.

But surely you must know this already?

line that probably won't be used:

White? That name sounds kind of Italian to me...

Just to add my two cents to what some others have already posted, it seems to me Ferraro's statements are as strategic as they are racist inasmuch as she seems to be deliberately goading Obama into some sort of reaction that can then be plugged into the racial stereotype of the angry black man attacking old white woman. Clinton's follow-up statement which drew a false equivalence between the personal attacks of the two campaigns, combined with Maggie William's statement attacking Obama's condemnation of Ferraro's remarks as having somehow violated his pledge not to engage in negative attacks (go figure), suggests to me that all of this is intentional.

As Howard Fineman just suggested on Olbermann, perhaps this is intended for the white racist vote in PA.

What about the white vote in NC, KY, and WV? This may be a desparate attempt to close the popular vote gap before the convention. Note: I mean the actual popular vote, not the Clinton popular vote which ignores all those unimportant caucus states.

We have to hope for (at least) two things:

First, that there really are enough people--both voters and superdelegates--who are not race-baiting bastards, and don't want to support a candidate who embraces Ferraro, who clearly is.

Second, that the African-American politicians in PA who have been supporting Hillary (like Nutter) will now do what they should have done a long time ago: drop her like a hot pile of.....sand.

O...and a third: that Hillary Clinton and her campaign go back under the rock they crawled out from.

Unbelievable

This is obviously a deliberate strategy. You know that the campaign had a talk with her after her "it's all because he is black" remark. She isn't just spouting-off here.

I'd like someone to tell me how this is any different from the shit the GOP pulls on a daily basis. Oh, right, this proves "Hillary's a fighter and knows how to win!" No, really it just proves that she is no different from your typical Republican. They know that there are plenty of blue-collar Democrats who are racist. I have them in my own family in Boston, I'm sorry to say. "Obama got where he is because he is black and anyone who denies it is attacking me because I'm white." If that isn't playing the race card, nothing is.

I admit I've never been much of a fan of HRC, but even I'm surprised at how low she is willing to go.

And, remember, Mississippi doesn't count because black votes are worth 3/5ths of a white vote.

It's amazing. I got the sense that this old f*ck is a freak from Taylor Marsh school when I heard her on NPR couple months ago; But to saying Obama's success has to do with his color is bizzare.

I think they know there is nothing between now and PA, and nothing to loose. Let's play the race card with this old f*ck from the past and see if it would make the difference.

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I've now gone from being pleased that Edwards influenced the race so much to being disappointed that the campaign has lost so much substance since he left it to now simply wanting to cry.

Just an afterthought. It seems to me that Clinton may be prepared to write off whatever media hit she garners form this latest race baiting (Olbermann has pledged a Special Comment tomorrow) given that she's already laid claim to being the perpetual victim of media bias.

Get your tivo ready: Special Comment from Olbermann on this tomorrow. If tonight's show was any indication, he's going to tear Hillary a new one for this bullshit.

She's Done.

Throughout the entire primary she's been trying to convince everyone, voters & especially superd's, that she's the better candidate. She's been trying ever so hard to show this and has stayed in the race, expecting some revelation that would lead all of us to the conclusion that Obama is clearly unelectable.

Ironically, the reverse has now happened. This is that moment. Hillary Clinton is now, and probably will forever be, completely unelectable. If today was planned in anyway, it was a completely, and universally - Insane. This might garner the racist vote somewhere, but for the rest of the nation, democrat, republican, voter, delegate, superd, whatever... she is now done. No one, no public official is ever going to endorse her now. She may stay in the race, still determined as ever, and may actually get a lot of votes still. But she's done. It's over.

(Also, did anyone catch Pellosi on tv today. She was asked about the Dream-ticket idea by NECN, and she dismissed saying, something along the lines of, The Clinton Administration detroyed that when she endorsed McCain over another Democrat. Sounded pretty pissed off. Sounded, like an almost endorsement of Obama. Sounded like what a lot of the superd's are probably thinking as well.)

Clinton is done. (And so are her secret hopes of McCain08 and Clinton2012.)


Here is that Pelosi link.

http://www.necn.com/category/32/4893

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That was weird. She says over and over that she's uncommitted and then slams Clinton over the her statement praise for McCain over Obama. She must be pissed.

Ms. Ferraro, they are attacking you because you make stupid statements

Is Ms. Ferraro actually a black man trapped in a white woman's body?

If so, it's all going according to plan.

This is indeed good news for Mrs. Clinton.

Ms Ferraro.. YOU said the ONLY reason Obama wouldn't be doing as good as he is is because he's black. Well, I guess you're right because that's why, Shirley Chisholm(a black woman), Jesse Jackson(a black man), Carolyn Mosley-Braun(a black woman) and Al Sharpton(a black man)all won the presidency because they were all black! So whatever logic you used to come to the conclusion that you did makes you either dumb or a racist! I'll leave it up to you and to those who agree with you to select whichever one.

Geraldine Ferraro is a principal at Blank Rome Government Relations LLC. Let her company know how you feel at:
http://www.blankromegr.com/index.cfm?contentID=23
This is what I wrote:
I am appalled by the recent comments of one of your principals, Geraldine Ferraro, regarding the current Democratic campaign. Her comments seem purposefully designed to inflame racist sentiment and make racial prejudice an important element of this presidential race. She is an embarrassment to your organization.

For the record: I am a white woman in my mid-forties. Please let her know I'm not attacking her "because [she's] white," but because her comments are offensive and, quite simply, dead wrong.

Sincerely ...

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James Carville once described Pennsylvania as "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between". This is not lost on the Clinton campaign.

One would be a complete naif to not see the direct and intentional framing the Clinton Campaign is taking here. The MSM has already bought into the "Only Pennsylvania counts. Only" meme.

As a resident of Southern California near Malibu, I know scorched earth when I see it.

It's been said that political contests reflect the populace; racism is still a major factor in everyday life; sexism is as well (hard for me to accept that there are many women who will vote for Clinton SIMPLY because she is a woman but such has been reported in every State; seems the same as voting for Obama because he has a black heritage) and politics being 'down in the dirt' says a lot about how the U.S. populace really is.
Obama has made a deliberate attempt in his campaign to avoid racial issues and he has been successful doing so; the Clinton campaign has decided to bait him and the public with the 'racial issue' hoping to have the 'dirtclod' hit Obama and throw him off his 'game'.
It's a shame the media can't explore politician's policies with as much gusto and depth as they do that which appeals to prurient issues.

Politics aside, I think I understand why Ferraro is doing this, and oddly enough, I don't think it's campaign strategy.

One of the things Ferraro talked about recently was how much work she and others put into their campaign platform in 1984, and she must have been crushed when she and Mondale were defeated so badly.

She's obviously completely wrong about Obama being where he is because he's black. He is in fact an extremely gifted and skilled speaker, and clearly the absolute best candidate available at doing one aspect of a president's job. Whether that part of the job is the most important right now, or whether he is similarly skilled at any other aspect of it, is a matter of opinion, but he obviously has a claim on the position.

Unfortunately, the qualifications that Obama is offering remind many people of the qualifications Ronald Reagan had, and Ferraro is obviously one of the people so reminded. She likely sees Clinton as similar to herself and is not happy to see another person who built a detailed policy platform about to lose to someone whose main ability seems to be making people feel good about themselves.

Of course, this is just me playing amateur psychologist here, but it doesn't take a genius to see there is something behind what Ferraro has been saying. I think that, unconsciously or not, she has put Reagan's face on Obama's body and lashed out with everything she's felt since 1984. I feel kind of sad, even though what she said isn't really excusable. Hopefully she'll apologize when things calm down.

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I'm attacking you, Geraldine, cause you're a batty old fool who is patently wrong on the facts of the matter, deeply confused about your own sense of entitlement, and harmful to public civil discourse. I want you to go away in the same way I would want a drunken lout to leave my daughter's wedding reception. Not to inject race into it, but my driver's license says I am caucasian, but I can't help it, I was born that way.

Someone should tell her that she is being attacked because she is an ass. She is an amoral political hack doing the Clinton's dirty work by intentionally injecting racial charged overtones into the minds of voters for the upcoming Pennsylvania primary race in order to try to drive the electorate into racially segregated voting blocks.
It seems pretty evident to me the game that is being played by the Clinton camp. They are losing and are trying out every wedge including the tired old black/white wedge in order to drive voters with prejudice and fear.
I hope the voters in Pennsylvania can see through this poison and reject the campaign that is purveying this rot.
I am so disgusted with the Clinton campaigns negative and ugly tactics that are raising the risk of defeat for all democratic candidates in the 2008 election cycle -- all because of an unbridled personal ambition.

being an ass goes both ways.

One of the basic reasons for why I support Obama is that he is a black man running for President, not as a black candidate, but simply as a candidate. He gets that a significant portion of this country has moved beyond the concepts that have ruled this country. Concepts of age, sex, race, religion, etc. His message is one of unifying rather than dividing. It is a simple, but powerful concept that plays to the better aspects of human nature.

It seems like so much of what Clinton and her supporters are trying to do is drag the campaign back into the muck, to play to the worst aspects of human nature. Ferraro's comments are simply idiotic. She's being attacked because she's white? Hello, maybe she's being attacked because she revealed she's a racist. She needs to be put out to pasture.

Kos has a history of Ferraro's race baiting over on his site. Seems to be part and parcel of who she is. Sad

What's the big deal? It's not like she said something really bad, y'know, like calling Obama a 'monster.'

Don't dump this all on Ferraro. She is despicable, but this is being orchestrated at the upper levels of the Clinton campaign. This is part of a pattern of using race in a cynical attempt to maximize Clinton vote among whites.

I agree. And it's high time someone on the Obama campaign call it what it is: wanton race-baiting, if not outright racism.

cdemorsella - ...an unbridled personal ambition...

Yeah I know what an unbridled personal ambition is. It's getting elected to the Senate and announcing a run for the presidency a year later. Don't you think that displays a greed and lust for power?

By definition, anyone that runs for prez must have an unbridled personal ambition. It's been called 'fire in the belly' too and it's nothing new. And yes...Obama has it. (Ferraro is right)

She's right because I had the "In" typed but stopped before typing "spades" since it hit me that reflexive race card playing supporters would immediately post their outrage concerning my {{racial slur}} even tho it only meant what it normally means...ie without question...beyond doubt.

I believe Ferraro is correct in what she says.

Stop Hilary's cynical strategies - how can she not immediately, with sincerity and enthusiasm, reject this nonsense. BTW, was Hillary editor of her law school law review? Did Barack get elected to office on the shirtails (skirts) of Michelle? Give be a break, Hilary. Kitchen Sink? More like a Garbage Disposal.

I guess I'm naive because I didn't think about it being deliberate/authorized/silently encouraged by the Clinton campaign, but ........ it's sort of hard to avoid the suspicion.

Ferraro has said this before - I heard her back when Jesse Jackson was running, probably '88. Remember it because I was so astonished. Of ALL the politicians in the world who might say something like that, she is the VERY last who should: who would know her name today if it weren't for the fact that she was the ground-breaking ***token***!!!

Anyway, she's said it in the past about other black candidates and apparently she said it on the John Gibson show several weeks ago. It was ignored, possibly because she has been in quite bad health, I hear. But if the Clinton campaign (who apparently listen to every TV or radio show and read every newspaper looking for a "gotcha") wanted to ask her to tamp down, they could have at that time. Instead it comes out today? yesterday? and immediately makes it to MSM ... just when folks would otherwise be focusing on 1) a blow out win by Obama in Mississippi and 2) sex scandals in high places. Neither of which they want folks looking at or thinking about. GAG!!

Well, as someone above said, if this works and someone gets the Democratic nomination because of tactics like this, I guess it (not we, because I'll be a registerd Independent as of the day it happens) will get the candidate - and the loss in November - that they deserve.

Republicans are so easy to spot...unless they're in love with a candidate, that is. Then they become indistinguishable...

mpacks...He gets that a significant portion of this country has moved beyond the concepts that have ruled this country. Concepts of age, sex, race, religion, etc. His message is one of unifying rather than dividing.

Really?

According to exit polls nine in 10 blacks backed Obama, while seven in 10 whites were voting for Clinton.

It wouldn't appear so in MS. Or SC. Or...

A significant portion of the country does not = the entire country. Sadly it seems the deep south which is only a few states still has some racial divides but 8 years of Obama as president will go a long way to fix that.

Sadly it seems the deep south which is only a few states still has some racial divides but 8 years of Obama as president will go a long way to fix that.

Yeah. That oughta do it. That'll fix everything.

Kewl.

'Only a few states'? Uhhhh...Okay.

Maybe there's a generational divide thing going on here.

I used to work for an older gentleman and we would often discuss politics and current events. He often claimed that I hate(d) George W. Bush. I tried to explain that I did not hate the man, but disagreed with him. There is a huge difference between hating/attacking someone and disagreeing with them.

I disagree with Mr. Bush, the Clintons and Mrs. Ferraro, but I don't hate them. I disagree with their policies and their judgement. Their respective race or gender are irrelevant, despite the Clinton/Rove efforts to convince the electorate otherwise.

The older generations seem to be comfortable with these divisive political tactics -- maybe not because they like it -- but because it's what they know. But this is a political style from the past, and some of us are trying to move forward and shed the thick crusty shell that weighs us down and keeps us separate from others.

The Clintons and Ms. Ferraro are political operatives from the past. It's time to move in a new direction, which is what Mr. Obama is trying to do. The Clintons have an ankle each, trying to drag Mr. Obama back into the mud they wallow in.

We have work to do; the politics of fear are counter-productive to that process and serve only the purposes of the Clintons and their ambitions. Mr. Obama inspires me to move forward and do the necessary work.

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Hillary Clinton is now, and probably will forever be, completely unelectable. If today was planned in anyway, it was a completely, and universally - Insane. This might garner the racist vote somewhere, but for the rest of the nation, democrat, republican, voter, delegate, superd, whatever... she is now done.
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I hardly think this is planned ... the Clinton campaign must be dying to muzzle her. I think. No doubt the Clinton campaign wants to "blacken" Obama however they can, but do they really want to make Clinton the candidate of the loony racist wing of the Democratic party? Does she think she -- or any Democrat -- can win in November without the support of African-American voters?

Edwards, Gore, Richardson -- Pelosi and Brazile have the guts to speak up about this kind of foolishness. You should too!

Meanwhile, Obama is positioning himself as the candidate of the Democrats who hope and believe that America can live up to its ideals.

Let's compare the size of the pools within the Democratic party membership (or among the superdelegates): loony racists vs. patriotic idealists. I'm liking Obama's chances.

The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.

Here's the full context:

Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, "Millions of Americans have a point of view different from" Ferraro's.

Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, "We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I'm making history."

SOUND FAMILIAR? We'll see how much play this gets tomorrow...

Wow -- thank you for that, Roddy. Makes me sad, though.

Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton demonstrate that some women have not yet learned what men have known for centuries; not every fight has to be to the death. Men fight until one man bests the other, and then they shake hands with the ranking established and both winner and looser go away to fight other battles. Most woman, certainly women with a grounding in sports, know this, too. But for Hillary and Geraldine every fight is to the death and surrender is not an option. Out of weakness they dare not let their opponent live. They are rabid, all claws and teeth, a threat to themselves, the Democratic party, and the entire world.

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That's a complex issue, but I have heard others mention it as well. Many of my male friends seem to intuitively understand this and take it into account when certain relational issues develop between themselves and women significant to them.

I agree with your implication that it is a trait that's culturally, not biologically derived.

...another excerpt.

From NEXIS: The Associated Press April 14, 1988, Thursday, AM cycle Ferraro: Jackson Won't Be Democratic Nominee LENGTH: 192 words DATELINE: AMHERST, N.Y. Former Democratic vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro says Jesse Jackson won't be the party's presidential nominee and wouldn't be in the race if he were white. Speaking Wednesday at the State University of New York at Buffalo, Ferraro credited Jackson for "grabbing the imagination of the public" and said he is "telling people the things we want to hear, but he won't be able to deliver what he is promising." ***WOW, DOES THAT EVER SOUND FAMILIAR! A Jackson supporter attending the speech took quick exception to Ferraro's remarks. "I think your comments here today are extremely, extremely dangerous and I abhor you for saying something like that," said Samuel Herbert, a former candidate for Erie County Executive. "I will not let you get away with that," Ferraro responded. "You may abhor what I've said, but I have spoken the truth. ... looking at the numbers, he will not have enough delegates. He will not even have a majority of delegates that are chosen." ***OKAY

Ferraro responded. "You may abhor what I've said, but I have spoken the truth. ...

She did and I voted for Jackson in the primary. It was over by then but I voted for him anyway.

So what? Wait. I think I understand. Ferraro is a racist because she opposes your candidate and says that you would never have heard of him if he was white. Uncomfortably for you, she's correct.

Doesn't make any difference. He's going to win the nomination and he's going to get his ass kicked in November...in spite of his, you know, monumental democratic primary win in MS tonight...a state which he will lose spectacularly in Nov.

Ain't life grand? Quick. Get a glass. Let's toast President John Sidney McCain.

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One in 10 African-Americans from age 20-34 are in jail; 1 in 4 if you include parole and probation.

And Obama is "lucky" to be African-American?

Holy smokes, Ferraro's comments are truly bizarre. And to think I campaigned for her back in the old days!!!

Sorry, Geraldine.

They're attacking what you said because it's racist, plain and simple. It doesn't matter what color the skin (or the gender for that matter) of the idiot who said it.

btw, I don't think Ferraro's from the Deep South, FWIW.

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I don't believe Geraldine Ferarro is a racist. She said what lots of Democrats are thinking. When you see African Americans voting 80 to 90% for a guy who has only been in the Senate for 3 years, what do you think a lot of us privately believe? Sen. Obama has many good qualities, but he is on the thin side of experience when you look at past Presidential candidates. I and many others think he is likely benefitting from some blacks voting for him because he is black. Not all, but a good many.

And what annoys a lot of us is that the media keeps saying that maybe the whites, the Hispanics, the women, the Asians are all racist because they are not voting for Obama in huge numbers. But they never explore the obvious counterargument--that maybe it's the African-American community in this election that is demonstrating the most racism. Sen. Obama and Clinton agree on many issues. When you see such overwhelming support for someone with such limited experience in public life, it makes you wonder, why he would be garnering 80-90% support in one community--with a career in the state Senate and 3 years in the Senate. In 2004, John Edwards, who also had a short Senate record and was a great speaker ended up losing decisively to Kerry because of his lack of experience. If not for Sen. Obama's overwhelming African-American support, I believe he would have suffered the same fate.

And before the Obama supporters start calling me a racist---I'm not. I've voted Democratic in every election. I'm a liberal. I've studied, volunteered and worked on issues of poverty/urban policy. I've voted for many African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and other candidates. I'm no racist and neither are many of the Democrats not supporting Sen. Obama. And if we keep getting called racists whenever someone raises legitimate issues about Sen. Obama, don't be surprised (if Obama should be the nominee) when John McCain trounces him the general election. It is very offensive to be called a racist when you're not. Sen. Obama and his supporters should remember this.

Your central assumption is wrong. Obama's support is broad and multi-racial. Black people are only 13% of the U.S. population, and only partly explain his success. In many states Obama has won, there are no black people.

The problem with attributing Obama's success to his race is that it is an assumption unsupported by any evidence, polling data, etc. It is the same argument losers make when they are unsuccessful or they don't get a job --- some black person got what was mine. Well, how do you really know that?

Ferraro was a crummy VP choice, apoor running mate, and doesn't have the brains God gave a goat. Hey, Geraldine! "They" are not attacking you because you're white; they're attacking you because you're a clueless old crone with shit for brains.

God I hope these people are flushed out of power real soon. Is this old fart a super-delegate? God help us!

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Sen. Obama has many good qualities, but he is on the thin side of experience when you look at past Presidential candidates.

He's got more elected experience then Hillary.

And what annoys a lot of us is that the media keeps saying that maybe the whites, the Hispanics, the women, the Asians are all racist because they are not voting for Obama in huge numbers.

Are you kidding? The media hardly ever says this, and when they do they're talking about Hispanics mostly

But they never explore the obvious counterargument--that maybe it's the African-American community in this election that is demonstrating the most racism

Oh please. It couldn't have anything to do with the outrageous statements from Bill and Others on her campaign? She was polling very well before those comments.

It is very offensive to be called a racist when you're not. Sen. Obama and his supporters should remember this.

If you don't want to be called a racist, then don't say things like Obama is only doing well because he's black, etc.

Democratsrule, it's actually the Clinton campaign and Governor Rendell who keep arguing that Latinos/as/whitefolks "aren't ready" to vote for a black man. Fortunately for Obama and for America, by and large that hasn't turned out to be true.

Clinton seems to be adopting the Giuliani strategy: stigmatize the blacks and ignore the small states in hopes of winning the voters who really count. (It worked so well for him.)

Of the African-Americans who vote in general elections, over 90% vote Democratic. Middle- and upper-middle-class African-Americans -- the ones most likely to vote -- are the ones who so often hear our achievements degraded as the products of illegitimate affirmative action programs that benefit unqualified blacks. It seems the Clinton campaign thinks she can win a GE without black voters' support. I doubt that many superdelegates share that view.

CLINTONS/FERRARO 2008

Just try and get an old white lady vote now, Mr. Obama!

This is great news for the Clintons.

Two things,

One - the old white ladies are a dying breed - literally.

Two - When you get old the youger generation needs to take care of you - maybe not.

So before the older generation gets too high and mighty and tries to usurp our generations right to assume responsibility for our destiny keep this in mind - Payback is a motherf**K.

Maybe 5 yrs from now we'll cancel social security. Costs a lot of money and Hell we won't retire for another 40 yrs anyway. Medicare - unnecessary, we suggest prayer.

Thanks, Dick.