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Ferraro: The Obama Camp "Have Played The Race Card Time After Time After Time"
Following her resignation from the Clinton campaign finance committee, Geraldine Ferraro was unapologetic regarding her remarks about Barack Obama's political success — and said it's the Obama campaign who have endeavored to make the campaign about race.
"They have played the race card time after time after time," Ferraro told the New York Times. "The campaign has a goal, which is to attack Hillary. They have to find a way and they can't do it on experience, on issues, so they look for places. They came up with this, and, well, here we go."
What's Keith Olbermann going to say now?
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Shut up Geraldine and move to SC, you giving NY a bad reputation.
March 13, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Simply Wow!
She makes a comment that’s clearly racist and then blames the person for the comment.
I have seen it all.
March 13, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has never apologized for the play-up on race that Jesse Jackson, Jr. and Oprah gave long before Bill Clinton was involved. Not only did Jackson, Jr. invoke Obama as the successor to his father, he backhanded the Clintons with "some politicians call themselves friends" despite Bill's real contributions to lowering black poverty. Oprah's comment is a bit sillier - essentially Obama as the black messiah they've been waiting for, which doesn't bother me (as long as Hillary doesn't get called out for using the "gender card" if she happens to say "kitchen" or something in a speech).
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March 13, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are in it with her now. She's cut her ties to Clinton, even said Clinton can't tell her what to say, and she is going to make them live it out with her. Obama is looking dumber by the day. Now he has to find a way to get her to let go of him so that he can get back to campaigning as the great uniter. She's been around a long time. She knows an empty suit when she sees it. I love the bug she put up the ass of his net roots support by saying she won't raise money for him if he doesn't back off.
March 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's a really terrifying threat to make to the Muhammad Ali of campaign finance. I'm sure Obama is shaking in his shoes.
March 13, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
How are the comments related? You seem to think that they are. I mean, aside from the notion that all three comments (or four) have to do with Obama's skin color. If that's the unifying notion, you're on some shaky ground.
March 13, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Project much, Ms Ferraro?
March 13, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a prime example of why our government should invest more money in alzehiemers research.
She has lost her mind! I know Monster Inc.s favorite tactic is to do something nasty to Obama then blame Obama for said nasty thing, but I have to ask: is anyone stupid enough to fall for it?
March 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um...
If I were Hillary, I'd want this woman to stop talking, regardless of her "official" connection the the HRC campaign. Is she serious? Is this NEWS?
Does Obama really have to stop and take time to address this? Poor man. It is unbelievable.
I have to tell myself that this can't possibly be Hillary's stand on this issue...or the direction she wants the campaign to take.
March 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
She starts it and then claims to be the victim. She's a winner.
March 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
She is being Clintonian.
March 13, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
She is being attacked for being a white woman. She has done the unforgivable....criticized Obama.
March 13, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point what more is there to say? Can she please go away now? It's sad when one can only get headlines for being a rabid race baiter.
March 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
someone please send me a email when this woman is done and gone. she's just like my grandma-she won't shut up until everyone on their knees beg her to forgive them no matter how wrong she is. can you imagine how fantastic for Hillary by now iIF Ferraro has gone after McCain and bush like this?
March 13, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shhhhhhh, people! If we continue bashing her, she won't hold fundraisers for Obama. Without her, his campaign will be toast, kaput, finished.
Oh Lord, save us from ourselves!
March 13, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Emma, if HRC wanted to put a stop to it, she would. She's running for President. That means she should have the ability to control or lead a supporter, right?
March 13, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
She dealt the card, and everyone else just responded.
Calling Ferraro's racist remarks racist is not playing the race card. Hypothetically, saying something like Ferraro said what she did "because she was white" would have done that, but that's not what we're talking about. The statement she made is already about race. The card was already dealt.
March 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro sounds like a lot of elderly people who don't realize how patronizing and racist their statements about minorities really are.
They really don't get it.
She's a product of her age and also where she lived for so many years..Queens, NY. Back in the day, Queens was very insular and provincial and not friendly to AA's. Howard Beach anyone?
March 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed . . . it is as if she is saying Hillary can't win because of reverse discrimination.
She really don't believe she gets it.
I am of her age group and truly believe that the world will be a better place when we all die off. (However, I will hang on just to collect my social security check).
March 13, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro is the one playing the race card again and again:
1. Ferraro said the exact same thing about Jesse Jackson in 1988. So she is a repeat offender with smearing black candidates:
""If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.
Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html
2. Not only is she a repeat offender, but she has previously said that due to "racism" white owmen are more electable (seeming to contradict her recent claims):
Ferraro said in 2006 that white women are more elecctable than a black man:
"Ms. Ferraro offered a similar sentiment. “I think it’s more realistic for a woman than it is for an African-American,” said Ms. Ferraro. “There is a certain amount of racism that exists in the United States — whether it’s conscious or not it’s true.”“Women are 51 percent of the population,” she added."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/weekinreview/10nagourney.html?scp=13&sq=%22geraldine+ferraro%22black&st=nyt
March 13, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with Howard Dean on this thing. At the end of the day, the Democratic slate is waaaay more interesting and challenging, and the voters are waaaaay more motivated and energized than anything on the other side.
And all of these controversie du jour that are feeding the ad hits on blogs across the nation (and that I see the cable bobble heads are trying to keep going just... one... more... day by continually asking about Ferarro....) are actually a good thing in the long run. Gender and race are in the mix. No doubt about it. It's a good thing to air this stuff out a bit, because we sure as hell will have to do one or the other come the fall. And, sacred cows make great hamburer.
If we can all dial back the daily outrage and rhetorical flourishes back a bit, and keep focused on people's real needs-- and if the candidates and their surrogates get some sleep from time to time and stop being so cranky and defensive (I'm talking to you, Howard) -- we'll be fine.
March 13, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she definitely won't be crying on national TV to get people to her side. At least we can agree on that.
March 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Either HRC can't control her team and is thus incompetent as a manager, or she is a twofaced liar who is stoking racism while publicly distancing herself.
Any reporters want to ask her which it is?
March 13, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to tell myself that this can't possibly be Hillary's stand on this issue...or the direction she wants the campaign to take.
Uh. That was sort of the point of Olbermann's Special Comment. I believe "suicide pact" was the term he used.
Look, Ferraro needs to keep going. Yesterday on Good Morning America she was in full "I'm an old white lady, please don't hurt me you young black man!" mode, which was offensive but seemingly calculative. This is just pushing the envelope too far for reason, and may, instead of reinforcing the racist tropes she parrots, get people to think, "Dear God, that lady is NUTS! I hope I never sound like that!"
The truly sad thing about the whole affair is that she still believes there was nothing wrong with her comments. As though a man named Barack Hussein Obama has achieved what he's achieved by luck, hopefulness, and benefiting from a white liberal establishment so full of guilt and kindness that they're throwing the presidency to the first capable black man they found. As though people are embracing him for blackness and not because of his stand on Iraq, his refusal to take money from lobbyists, his ability to inspire and articulate liberal ideals, his approach to politics and opponents, his media savvy, his organizational dominance of the Clinton campaign, his stamina and focus. The guy is a marvel. Black, white, orange, blue, green, I've never seen a more natural and gifted politician.
Gerry, you are embarrassing yourself. And you are pulling Hillary down with you. This will be both of your legacies if you don't pull up soon. Are you really ready to be forever known as the angry old privileged white lady with nothing in your heart but fear and resentment? An apology would be nice, but I know when we can expect it.
America, 2008. When progress died a little.
March 13, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see. Obama is a member of an ethnic group that has suffered on the loosing end of "race" for centuries. His group is 12% of the national population. He is only the 3rd AA Senator in the history of the country, and now Gerry and Hillary want us to believe that he thinks it is to his advantage to make race an issue?
Give me a break. Who benefits from making race an issue? Particularly when PA is next on the primary calendar? I heard PA described as Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, with Alabama in between, white Alabama that is. It is deeply offensive that Team Hillary and her surrogates are willing to try to make race an issue for political advantage. It is infuriating that every time they get caught in the act, they try to flip the blame onto Obama and his supporters. This is a particularly ugly form of "blaming the victim."
Every thinking Democrat who has an ounce of commitment to racial equality and reduced inter-ethnic tension in this country should be outrages by this behaviour, Those of you who are ignorant or dishonest enough to swallow this swill need to ask yourself, "who benefits?"
March 13, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
What Geraldine did was to point out the the Emperor has no clothes: the Obama camp has been making phony charges of racism for a long time know and she's calling them on it.
Too many liberals have supported Obama because they wanted to show that they aren't prejudiced. This in itself is a form of prejudice.
Vote for me to heal the nation is an implicit reliance on the fact that Obama is black. It is a claim that would not work as well if Obama were white.
This is a simple fact and so in what way is it racism for Geraldine Ferraro to say so?
March 13, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Too many liberals have supported Obama because they wanted to show that they aren't prejudiced. This in itself is a form of prejudice."
The entire premise of your argument includes broad generalizations and clumsy, hamfisted guesswork - the fact that you feel comfortable spewing such nonsensical theories is almost as laughably belligerent as Ferraro's statements.
March 13, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
You seem to have swallowed the bait, hook, line, and sinker.
Who benefits by making race an issue? Have you noticed over the past year that Obama has made almost no mention of race? Have you noticed that PA is next on the calendar? You are either woefully ignorant or blinded by your candidates preference. Stop being so gullible. The one who ultimately benefits from this jabber is Clinton. Trying to shift the blame for their own behavior is beyond Rovian.
March 13, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
AJM Said:
"Too many liberals have supported Obama because they wanted to show that they aren't prejudiced.This in itself is a form of prejudice."
Let that comment sink in for a moment. AJM thinks that a voter who wants to help end racial prejudice is him or herself behaving in a prejudicial way. Reducing someone's vote just to white guilt is a very tall order.
I'm not sure how to respond to something as silly as that. As far as I know liberal voters are not supporting Obama simply because they have white guilt. They simply think he is better suited to the office of President than Hillary Clinton.
March 13, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. Guilt has nothing to do with it. It's more like nostalgia. They missed out on the real civil rights and anti-war movements and they think they can get their tickets punched by voting for Obama. Not you, of course. I know you were with us every step of the way.
March 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign has been using the race card? Interesting...
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/post/24930362
March 13, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Obama plays the race card. He's the one who said he wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't black.
Oh, wait ...
Actually, I think Ferraro is sort of right. She's not playing the race card. She's playing the RACIST card.
March 13, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's 3 a.m. ...
[Scene: White House, with emergency vehicles in front, lights flashing]
President Walter Mondale has just suffered a massive heart attack.
[Cut to a darkened bedroom]
A phone is ringing ...
March 13, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Front page headline: Clinton Apologizes to Black Voters, for Ferraro and for US Response to Hurricane Katrina
Ummm, she didn't apologize for Ferraro. She apologized for Bill's comments and for Katrina but she only repudaited and regretted Ferraro's. Am I being too picky?
March 13, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
President Mondale? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! They only needed to win about 260 more delegates in '84 to get to the White House..
March 13, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you noticed that Ferraro first used this "Obama is an Affirmative Action hire" meme on John Gibson's radio show Feb. 27th (in time for OH/TX) and since then has been promoting it on Bill O'Rielly and Fox? That Bill Clinton was on O'Rielly talking about this? That Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough and Rush Limbaugh all agree with Ferraro's comments?
I've always believed that you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.
March 13, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did she really say "affirmative action hire" or is that something you're injecting into the discussion?
March 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
100% correct Gerry! GO GERRY GO, You have told the truth and to hell with them if they can't take it. Obamaistas and Obama's standard reply is calling anyone who disagrees with the empty suit, a racist. 91% of AAs vote for Obama and of course there is no racism on the AA side. F them, Love you Gerry!
March 13, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal,
Just a guess... is that vanilla ice cream?
March 13, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
So just like Maggie Williams and Howard Wolfson, Ferraro wants us to believe that the Obama camp is playing the race card again and again. I can just imagine one day early on in the campaign Obama and his advisors were sitting around brainstorming strategy on how a black candidate could win over an electorate that is 85% white. And then Axelrod or Plouffe or maybe Obama himself said: I've got it! Let's stir up racial tensions by accusing whites of being racist! That's bound to win them over!
March 13, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
From the desk of:
Geraldine Ferraro
I have decided to resign from the position that I have never held with the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign.
I am deeply disappointed that Senator Obama has chosen to attack me in such a racist manner. However, should he become the nominee of our party, I am still willing to engage in fund raising for him, provided that he changes his ways, and promises to stop being a Black Man.
March 13, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro is just like every closet racist who assumes that a black person hired at work must have been hired only because they were black. Minorities have such huge advantages, you know. If a white man is hired, well, clearly they were the best person for the job, right?
This kind of thinking is widespread, but it's RACIST (even though many whites don't realize that). And it's disgusting for the Clinton campaign to push this sort of thinking. She gets more Republican by the day!
PS. Yes, I'm white, but I've seen this sort of thinking regularly.
March 13, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
So you are saying that "A black person can't do well without affirmative action"? Or are you comparing Senator Obama with all of the other African American presidential candidates that have done so well and gone on to become president (hint: none)? I really think you need to go back to your radio show, Mr. Limbaugh.
March 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I need help!! Please explain what I am missing here?
Ferraro basically said the following:
1. This contest is billed as "historic" because of the first AA candidate and woman candidate with a real chance.
2. If that's the case, then Obama's race is exactly what makes his candidacy historic. Other candidates (Edwards, Biden, Kucinich, etc) may have been equally or more qualified, but they didn't get any traction because they couldn't effectively compete against historic candidate
3. If that's true, then we have to accept that Obama's race is an integral part of his candidacy, just like HRC's being a woman is an integral part of hers.
So why is this racist? I don't defend anyone or imply anything, just want to understand
March 13, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
When you structure it as you did, it becomes reasonable analysis, but Ferraro didn't preface her comments with the "historic" caveat.
She said that Obama is lucky to be black because if he weren't he wouldn't be where he is today. She basically ignored his qualifications and likened his whole candidacy to some affirmative-action case.
March 13, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
She didn't say affirmative action did she? Why do you keep bringing up affirmative action? That is a really loaded meme. I haven't heard anyone with an audience say it. Have you?
March 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
She said he's only winning because he's black. Affirmative action is legislation that awards a position based on race. What's so hard to get here, Billy? Are you outlawing the paraphrase?
March 13, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama being black makes his candidacy "historic," yes, but it's not the sole reason for his success or appeal, which is what Ferraro was saying.
March 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, then I feel really sorry for her, because she seems to have a paid a price only for not making her comments clear enough. In other words, we didn't take time to think what she was trying to say, but went ahead and either used it for political purposes or simply blamed her as racist.
March 13, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about that.
I think she made herself very clear and was given every opportunity to "clarify" them, which she refused to do. She meant what she did and, I think, and she didn't include the historical preface because that's not what she was saying.
March 13, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
But it's not true! She said that when she was nominated as VP, she exactly in the same "history making" spot as Obama is today. And out of several qualified candidates, she was picked because of that.
The more I read about this story, the more I become convinced that something else is at work here.
March 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like you're trying to make the facts fit your thinking. Remember the Clintons sister act after SC - Bill's allusion to Jesse Jackson, and Hillary's "slip" when she proclaimed that MLK may be great and all that but it was Johnson who signed the Civil Rights Act that made the most impact on AAs? Doesn't sound like they thought it was so "historic" after all.
I think the statement "Obama wouldn't be here if he were white,' is quite clear. She dimisses the entire compelling narrative of his campaign which started small, not even inhabiting the same constellation as Hillary, the Star, and his meteoric rise is due to nothing more than his skin color, which makes it "historic".
This is ridiculous as I have pointed out that Obama's support accrued over time. if it had been all about white guilt, affirmative action and AAs voting for their own, in other words, his RACE, the faithful would have flocked to him from the word go.
The logic is twisted like a Mobius Strip. The Black guy's run is historic because he's black and since he's black, it's historic. It can't be anything else. Not his considerable achievements, not his brilliant grass-root campaign, not his well-planned outreach or his readiness. not the power of his message or his charisma, not his campaign's brilliant performance with relatively young and untested operatives in contrast to Hillary's well-oiled machine peopled with guys who ran successful Presidential campaigns for Bill TWICE. And of course Bill himself, adored as the shining sun after 8 years of Bush, there lurking, promising...
This is not a race story. This is a David and Goliath story.
But what? Nothing to see there, just a Black-out, nothing to see, move on, nothing to see...
March 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The Black guy's run is historic because he's black and since he's black, it's historic. It can't be anything else. Not his considerable achievements, not his brilliant grass-root campaign, not his well-planned outreach or his readiness. not the power of his message or his charisma, not his campaign's brilliant performance.... "
Now I understand your problem with Ferraro. You think that she dismissed his entire candidacies. I don't agree with that at all.
His considerable achievements, brilliant grass-rooot campaign, well-planned outreach, etc - are only the signs of a good politician and a great smart campaigner. This doesn't make him historic. Edwards, Kucinich, Kerry and others all ran great campaigns too.
His race, however, is what makes it historic. If you don't agree, then give me one reason, except for race, that makes Obama uniquely historic in this campaign.
March 13, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, no, you're comparing the Obama apple to the Kerry oranges. Kerry's is much closer to the Clinton's campaign, fully backed by the Party and the "right" kind of operatives and big money donors. That's not historic, that's just the same Democratic Party run. Obama's campaign is closer to Dean's if you must make a comparison, historic because of the appeal to the grassroots, succeeding because of all the *odds* pitted against him. If you must insist on the race issue, had Obama floundered instead of beaten Clinton, he'd be another Jesse Jackson, thus "not historic", a black candidacy that has little support outside of his core black supporters. Can you see the fallacy of this logic? If he succeeds, it's historic because of his race, not because of his amazing campaign. If he fails, he's a historical footnote, not "historic".
The whole horrible MO is to attribute his success to his race, to call attention to it in a manner that intentionally or not, signals to the bigots out there to mobilize, to stoke fears among those against affirmative action, to diminish his talent, to nullify the impact of his message, etc.
I'm going to leave it here for now. This is circular logic, the chicken or the egg question, and you can't get out of it if you accept the premise in the first place that this question mattered.
March 14, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lalo35adm,
Ok, let me have another crack at this "logic" business.
What makes a candidate's run "historic"? It's usually because they're the long shot, the underdog beating the incumbent, succeeding despite the odds, a major upset, etc.
It's not "historic" if the expected favored front-runner candidate wins.
If Ron Paul had won the Republican nomination, it would have been hailed as "historic", for example, but if McCain or Giuliani wins, it's not "historic" because it's what everyone expected.
Do you follow the logic thus far?
The logical fallacy is that if Ferraro had meant Obama's run is "historic" because he's black, i.e., "historic" in the sense of winning against the odds, then she *can't* say that "He's where he is because of his race." You can mean *one* of them, but not *both* at once.
His race, along with his lack of establishment backing, his lack of wealthy donors, his lack of name-recognition, his much lower poll numbers and grassroots support compared to Hillary's are all ODDS stacked against his candidacy, yet he overcame all of them to pull ahead of Hillary. His race didn't help him, yet she insisted it does.
It is like watching a white guy out-tackling and outplaying Michael Jordan at a Bulls' game. It's "historic", but you won't say that "he won't be where he is were he a black guy," "that his race helps in his success." To beat Jordan would have been a startling achievement in itself, his race is auxilliary to his skills (and there are outstanding white players like Larry Bird), yet if commentators keep harping on about how the white guy's race helped him, you'd think the commentator is obsessed with race and quite deranged.
March 14, 2008 4:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, something else is at play here. Every time the Clinton campaign calls attention to Obama’s race they are hoping two things will happen. That voters will hearken back to whatever racial fears may lay dormant and failing that, they give hope voters entertain the notion that ,in the country at large, there is to much racist sentiment for a AA candidate to win and they wish to have a shadow dialogue on that point.
“ By the way, is it just me or has anyone else noticed this Obama jasper is a n*gg*r, Is the country really ready to elect a n*gg*r?”
March 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your premise falls on several points:
1. This isn't the first time an AA runs for President, Jesse Jackson comes to mind, so it isn't as novel in terms of race.
2. Initially, more AAs were supporting HRC than Obama but the support subsequently fell off following several turns of events. Race isn't as rallying an issue that Ferraro makes it out to be among AA. No doubt a number of AAs felt they should support Obama because of his color but an equally large number did not.
3. If race alone was THE catalyst for Obama's popularity among his base, then most of his supporters would have been accrued to his candidacy from its infancy. Instead, it was anemic in the beginning, and as audiences "discovered" him, his support gradually snowballed and the campaign built up an astonishing momentum. It is patently false to suggest that most of his appeal lies in his race.
4. By dismissing his candidacy as racially motivated, Hillary's supporters deliver a low-blow and an insult to his diligence, his community hardwork, successful public service, considerable political talent, accomplishments and other natural gifts, such as his incredible charisma.
It is not so much you, but I find the Hillary campaign and supporters resort to some rather absurd and tortured logic. Many of them, like Ferraro, come across as deranged.
Take this Marginal Player for example. I hope for the sake of Hillary that they are really disguised Limbaugh trolls heeding the call for "mischief".
They accuse Obama of being divisive simply because...he is running. If Obama never existed, he won't be divisive.
Obama is playing the race card because AAs are voting for him.
If a Hillary supporter, eg. Ferraro, is accused of playing the race card, then s/he must in fact be a victim of racism.
Even though Obama has served longer in public office, passed more bills and voted in more legislations, Hillary is more EXPERIENCED. What experience? Same as Bill's.
Obama supporters are delusional kool-aid drinking cult-worshippers who degrade their opponents, and Hillary supporters are none of that because they're not Obama supporters.
Ad finitum.
March 13, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I want to respond to each of your points:
1. Obama and Clinton are "historic" in any news program or newspaper - that's what she meant by "country caught up in the concept", of course in a very partisan way.
2. She's not claiming race is a unifying cry. She's saying race is what makes Obama's candidacy historic. Trippi himself said Edwards couldn't get through to voters because of two "historical candidacies"
3. True but again, not the point. She said that Obama is qualified and a good politician. But she meant Obama and Clinton have an advantage over anyone who cannot claim anything historic (Edwards, etc)
4. This is not true. I was shocked to see how Axelrod exploited this, however, by turning it into racism without giving anyone a chance to think what she was trying to express in such an unclear way
March 13, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keith Olbermann's special comment is irresponsible. It unnecessarily brings attention to and inflates the issue of race and racism. By implying that Ferraro and by association the Clinton camp of racism, he opens up an avenue of attack that any democrat would rather avoid. Especially the Obama camp.
Ferraro's comments while tasteless to many, pales in comparison to a prominent Obama surrogate.
Olbermann is leading us down a road that none of us want to go.
This is what we have to look forward to if pointing fingers about playing the race card is to become the main focus: Jeremiah Wright, posted on politico.com hope the link works.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_on_film.html
March 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
To what "prominent Obama surrogate" are you referring?
March 13, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you don't consider Wright a surrogate.
March 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say that - I was simply asking for clarification.
March 13, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nevermind. I was mis-reading your comment.
Is Rev. Wright an Obama surrogate? I don't think so, officially. I mean, he doesn't have any offical role in the campaign as far as I know.
March 13, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wright is not a surrogate. A surrogate is one who stands in place of another or one who is appointed to take the place of another.
A campaign spokesperson or a state campaign chairperson would be a surrogate.
Mark Penn and Governor Rendell would be examples of surrogate race baiters.
Wright is neither a surporter. A political supporter is one who provides for or maintains by supplying with money or necessities; I voted for Obama, and am a supporter in the broadest sense, but I have never met him, do not speak for him, nor is Obama bound by anything I may say or do.
A Finance Committee chair, raising money for a candidate like Geraldine Ferraro is a good example of a race baiting supporter.
You could designate Wright as an Associate, that implies each person reaching out and engaging the other, usually around a common activity and interest. This would be misleading since the association is religious and not political.
The radio host who introduced McCain would be an example of a race baiting associate.
Sloppy language leads to sloppy thinking. Let's be careful out there.
March 13, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
how about prominent Obama supporter...whatever
March 13, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
My working definition of a surrogate is someone who is more than a supporter, someone who is acting with the tacit direction and support of the candidate, sometimes letting the candidate be in more places at once, sometimes saying things the candidate would prefer to avoid saying him or herself.
A supporter is just some person who likes the candidate.
We ought not let candidates skate by pretending a surrogate is really just a supporter.
March 13, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think there is a stark difference between "supporter" and "surrogate."
One is officially sanctioned by the campaign and the other is not.
March 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somethings are worth arguing and somethings aren't. This is not. I take your point. But the meaning of my original point does not change. Can we settle on that? What is so curious? Am I a racist for calling Wright a surrogate instead of a supporter? Is there some deep seated racist attitudes coming to the service? That is the kind suspicious fishing expeditionary attitudes that will divide the party. Not Ferraro's comments!
March 13, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course you're not racist for calling Wright a surrogate and not a supporter, but it does change the context of the "issue."
Are Wright's comments ugly and ridiculous? Of course. But I don't see how they have anything to do with Obama. Obama has already said previously that he does not agree with all of Wright's views. And Wright is not part of the campaign, he has no official or unoffical role. He's simply an Obama supporter.
As am I. If I start going on about how Hitler had some good ideas or some nonsense, would Obama need to distance himself from me? Of course not.
I think candidates are responsible for what their surrogates say (hence Power's resignation) but not for what their supporters say.
March 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the risk of taking this conversation down a spiral, you are not a prominent public figure. (Maybe you are but you say your not, I don't know)
If you take away from my original post that surrogates/supporters who say negative things need to be denounced and rejected immediately, then I have failed to communicate my point.
I only wish to illustrate the perils of rashly accusing Hillary of being racist.
I fervently believe that Hillary is not a racist. Nor is she trying to peg Obama as a black candidate in a negative light. This point has been exaggerated.
If you keep pointing the race finger at Hillary, you risk a severe backlash. And that is a road that non of us want to travel...maybe the republicans.
March 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sadly, you are correct in your assumption. I am not prominent. But I like to think of myself as important, haha. But I do take your point in the difference between supporters and prominent supporters.
But, yes, I guess I did misunderstand your point. And, no, I do not think Hillary or Bill is a racist. But I do think, as Olbermann pointed out, that some of her advisors see a benefit in subtle, and sometimes not-so-subtle, race-baiting (for lack of a better term).
March 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
A couple of points that I have observed and excuse me if someone has covered this before.
1. The sense of entitlement displayed by Gerry is remarkable. 'I might fundraise for Obama if he is nice to me', which she said Wednesday night. Well he doesn't need it, 50% of 55million by $50 or less. No skimming off the top Gerry.
2. The fact that Gerry and her ilk treat AA's as if the AA's owed them a debt. They think because they have provided food stamps for 30+ years that AA's should sit back and thank them. Screw that, Obama gives people hope that change can come but he is asking people to involve themselves and not accept handouts. This issue has killed the left over the last 20 years and Gerry is one of the original dinosaurs.
3. The older guard DLC, Blue Dog left is terrorfied of Obama and the new progressive youth movement.
This purging of the DLC from the left has been a long time coming and they can kick and holler into the night but BYE-BYE.
March 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Too many liberals have supported Obama because they wanted to show that they aren't prejudiced. This in itself is a form of prejudice."
I am so tired of this meme. I'm a middle-aged white woman supporting Obama. I am not doing this out of a sense of white guilt. I am not doing this because I've been hypnotized by the rhetoric or entranced by a new pretty, shiny thing. I'm not doing this because he's a handsome man who makes my lady parts quiver.
I support Obama because I truly believe he would make the best president of the United States. I believe he has the intelligence and the temperament to lead wisely, and I believe we share common values and goals for what government should accomplishment.
I denounce, reject, repudiate and spit on the notion that 13 million people have cast votes for Obama based on the color of his skin.
At one point, I would have been happy to vote for any of the democratic candidates, but at this point, I am disgusted by Hillary Clinton's tactics. My disappointment in her is beyond belief.
March 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You can't win for losing. If you're black like me, we're told that we coulnd't possibly be using our intellectual faculties, we're just blindly following skin tone. If you're white, you're just assuaging your white guilt.
I supposed these same people will say that Asians are only supporting Obama because he lived in Asia and was born in Hawaii.
I guess Arabs/Middle Easterners are supporting Obama because he's now on the DL Muslim-wise, even though many Arabs/Middle Easterns aren't Muslim, like my Christian friend Kareem Hussain (despite the fact that Arabs overwhelming treat blacks like shit...and that especially includes those Christian, Jews and Muslim Arabs/Middle Easterners in America).
I wonder what excuse they'll give Latinos supporting Obama.
March 13, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its funny since the Obama camp was attacking Hillary on her bogus experience claim when this stuff starting coming out.
March 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Good observation. Clinton's bullshit foreign policy experience has totally been lost in the shuffle.
March 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Allow me to invite Ms. Ferraro to shut the hell up. Good lord, she is starting to sound like a nut job. Tuck your tail between your legs and slouch off to obscurity (the unknown zone from whence you came). Your relevance expired about three weeks before the Presidential Election in 1984.
Methinks she has gone mad!
March 13, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
How sad.
I do have some sympathy for HRC and Ferraro, two old guard feminists seeing their hope for symbollic equality elude them.
There was and is much antagonism between many of the old guard feminists and civil rights activists. Sadly, neither understands that, when either achieves even a small gain in substantive equality, the other gains as well. They would rather have empty, symbollic equality.
The question becomes: Why would HRC & Ferraro prefer the gestural gain of symbollic equality when they can obtain the substantive equality Obama can bring?
HRC and Ferraro have remained in the 1960s/70s and the rest of the country is in 2008 looking forward to the 2010s.
How sad.
March 13, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now we finally know the answer to Mondale's question - "Where's the beef?"
Best, Terry
March 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is amazing to me that, for some, it has become verboten to discuss how a certain block of voters is tending to overwhelmingly support a certain candidate. What is wrong with merely observing that 90% of this block voted for a certain candidate in Mississippi? The news organizations have already reported this fact.
This whole phenomena has been very upsetting to me, and I understdand why Gerry Ferraro got upset. What she was complaining about was not rooted in her envy of a certain candidate, as Maureen Dowd opined in her column yesterday, but was rooted in the shallowness of being forbidden to enter into this discussion. It has become forbidden because David Axelrod and others in the Obama campaign have used the tactics of "PC policemen". Any mention of race now becomes a racist comment. This is very useful for beating up on people in other campaigns. It has now been used against Bill Clinton and Gerry Ferraro.
It is not racist to discusss how certain voting blocks may be voting, or how certain campaigns may be courting certain voting blocks. Racism in my mind involves much more than this. Racism means denial of equal opportunity or denial of a legal right.
March 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oklahomajohn....
Your interpretation is precisely the one the Clinton campaign is hoping to trigger in Philadelphia, a city with a history of bitter racial divides and past battles over affirmative action.
For the record, listen to what Obama himself said on the issue yesterday in this interview with Matt Lauer:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23589533#23589533
"Among the things Obama said:
• Ferraro's comment was absurd because "if you were to get a handbook on what's the path to the presidency, I don't think the handbook would start by saying 'be an African-American named Barack Obama.' ... I don't think that would be generally considered an advantage."
• "Part of what Geraldine Ferraro is doing ... is to participate in a kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender. ... That's what Americans are tired of."
• "If somebody in my campaign suggested that Sen. Clinton was only where she is because she's a woman, people would take great offense and rightly so. ... I just don't think that kind of approach to evaluating candidates or denigrating candidates is particularly useful to the Democratic Party."
In other words, this Ferarro thing was not an accident. I believe it was a classic "dog whistle" ploy to throw this grievance out there in such a way as to land in the very subset of the electorate that is likely to respond with higher negative opinions of Obama and his supporters.
Note that his response is that gender and race are those things that are used to divide, and then you decide. Do you hear the whistle? Are you being manipulated? Only you can decide.
March 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, paDem, thanks for your response. Good luck up there in the primary.
No, I don't think that the Clinton campaign orchestrated Gerry's remarks. Not at all. I saw Gerry on the Lehrer Report a couple of weeks ago with several others in a round table discussion. Former Senator Bradley, a big Obama supporter, started off the discussion with an attack on the Clinton campaign. Gerry was representing the Clinton campaign.
The issue was whether the Superdlegates should be independent or should be required to vote in the same manner as their respecitive states had voted. Bradley started the discussion with some really obnoxious comments about how Obama was going to win, come Hell or high water, and it really didn't matter what the Clinton people did or thought. This made Gerry mad and she quite articulately described how she had participated in the creation of the superdelegate thing back in 1984, and how the whole idea was that the superdelegates be independent.
This kind of animosity is certaily not a new thing in politics. Unfortunately it is just part of human nature. But it is something that happens to both sides, not just one.
As you can probably figure by now, I am not a person who is easily manipulated. In fact, I pride myself on my independence, much as I suspent that Gerry does. I indeed have been upset, though, and in fact totally amazed at the brazenness that the Obama campaign and its supporters blow the PC whistle. This kind of stuff does not go in out here in the heartland.
Enough said.
March 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because she said that was the only reason why he has gotten so far, perhaps? Which is not only false, but a smear.
March 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
She didn't say it was the only reason. She said it was part of the equation, which was her opinion. If people disagree, fine, but there is not need to attack her character by calling her a racist. That is what I object to. We cannot have an open political debate if the people we disagree with we call names. I thought Obama was going to raise the bar on political discourse??
March 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So did I. But during SC I watched the coverage non-stop. I saw the very first broadcast of Bill Clinton's fairy tale remark.
I saw what happened, first in the blogosphere, then in all newsmedia.
I saw how that quote was cut shorter and shorter, so that only the "fairytale" bit was left, not the whole sentence.
And I also saw how Obama campaigned with Oprah there. How his accent suddently changed, his manner and his message.
So by the time Ferraro story happened i already knew the pattern.
I know that Clinton made some bad mistakes and while I don't like that, I admit it. But I also think the Obama campaign made bad mistakes too.
Any now I'm convinced that Obama used every dirty trick they accused Clinton of using. The tactics (not the strategies!) of these two campaigns are exactly the same. Eye for an eye, etc.
March 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Ferraro's case, she is blaming Obama's race for HRC's failures. Unfortunately, HRC's failures are entirely self-inflicted.
Besides, white votes for Obama far outnumber African-American votes. No, Ferraro is not a racist. Rather, she is grieving somewhere between the first (denial & isolation) and the second (angers) stages.
HRC will not become the nominee of the Demoncratic Party nor the next President of the United States States of America.
It is difficult for us older folks to understand that we are no longer the center of the universe. The only question that remains, Will we choose to be irrelevant, as HRC & Ferraro have, or will be embrace the new role of elder advisor for our younger brothers and sisters?
March 13, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, she's not. You are either a college kid with too much time on your hands or you can't read. Either way, you are inventing the motives.
March 13, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only college kid with to much time on their hands, that I know, is my grandson.
And having replied to your insult, it is obvious I can read.
Your defense of Ferraro's racist comments made over the past two decades -- that is, 20 years -- is simply breathtaking.
March 13, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Racism in my mind involves much more than this. Racism means denial of equal opportunity or denial of a legal right."
Racism also means condescension. Suggesting that Obama is doing well only because he's black -- that it has less to do with his intellect, charisma, integrity, and temperament -- is to imply that he's probably deficient in these qualities and that, at any event, the most important thing about him remains his skin tone. To hold such an opinion denies Obama no legal right, true -- but it sure as heck puts him in a box based on his race, doesn't it?
Additionally, Ferraro's comments suggest that we voters are only pro-Obama because we've duped ourselves into not examining him too closely, as if we're afraid that doing so would make us look racist. Ferraro therefore managed to condescend not only to Obama, and black people generally, but to everyone who voted for Obama.
March 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, hotspur,
You are reading an awful lot into Gerry's comments. What she said was that because of the particular dynamics of this particular race, BO was LUCKY to be Afroican-American and male.
March 13, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Respectfully, OklaJ.: Ferraro's words were, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position." So his color is what got him here, more than his ability, integrity, and message?
Ferraro did not manage to say so, either initially or in her combative followup interviews, but in fact Obama's message would mean something less coming from a white man -- only because the candidate who proposes moving past identity politics needs to be something other than a white man. Such a candidate could, instead of a black man, be a white woman -- but it isn't. Hillary's hesitation to condemn Ferraro's remarks -- which are at best unclear -- leaves me wondering whether she hopes to benefit from their divisiveness.
March 13, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is being very gracious to apologize for the "offense" to the black community that the Obama campaign caused by twisting what both Bill Clinton and Ferraro said so they could attack Hillary. It is amazing that two people who worked for racial equality their entire careers could be successfully protrayed as "racists" by the Obama campaign. Based on some of the comments posted here, Obama supporters seem to have a mean spirit. He must be appealing to those who feel victimized and need to lash out at established and experienced politicians, even if they have helped people. This is not a new political discussion coming from them as far as I can see.
March 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Hillary hasn't done anything to try to make herself look "victimized"???
March 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just think it's curious, but I'm fine with it. Really, I am. It's just curious.
March 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keith Olbermann's special comments were bordering on hysterical. We can not bring the country together as Obama has promised if people aren't free to express their opinions without being labelled racists. Geraldine is not a racist. Disagree with her argument, don't attack her character. The same goes for Bill. How can people be in such a blind fog of upset over a few comments about the fact Obama's blackness is a part of his popularity right now?
March 13, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
She didn't say his blackness "is part of" his popularity. She attributed all of his success to it. If he weren't black he wouldn't be where he is. That's what she said.
Of course people are free to say and think whatever they want. But people are also free to call them out when they say make ridiculous accusations with, at best, racist undertones. If Clinton wants to associate herself with those types of comments, she is certainly free to do so. But it says a lot about her.
March 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. The uproar against Ferraro has nothing to do the Obama campaign. Rather, it has to do with ordinary Americans saying, "Enough of this race-baiting."
March 13, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You didn't listen to Geraldine's comments if you think she said "all" of Obama's success is due to his blackness. How could she say that? Geraldine is not a racist. She was making a valid point. You can disagree with her, but you don't have to attack her character by callling her a racist. The hysterical reactions, including Olbermann's, are a sign that something is off in the matrix. Have you listened to Obama's pastor? Now that is something to get worried about. He even said the 9/11 attack on us was our fault. Is that why Obama was against the war?
March 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's pastor doesn't have a prominent role in his campaign as Ferraro had in Clinton's. The comparison is false, which is not to say I think Rev. Wright's statements are acceptable in the least.
But let’s look at the quotes in question:
"If Barack Obama were a white man, would we be talking about this, as a potential real problem for Hillary? If he were a woman of any color, would he be in this position that he's in? Absolutely not.?
“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
All she talks about is his race. Please explain to me how she’s saying that his race is just “part of” the explanation for his success?
And for the record, I think someone can make a racist comment without being a racist him or herself. And, personally, I think that’s the case here.
March 13, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's very simple. She's making a highly partisan statement from the point of view of Clinton supporter. And she's saying that if he were a white man, he'd be more like Edwards. In other words, also a good campaigner, qualified, etc, etc, but who is not benefitting from his race (i.e. historical candidate). Again, realize this comes from a context of a Clinton supporter, with the whole notion of sexism etc.
I think she was foolish to say it in this way because Obama supporters will assume she's dismissing his entire campaign and get offended. What actually happened was even worse, because she got smeared as racist
March 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oldermann was channellig 60 minutes I guess, he was trying so hard to whip himself into some kind of frenzy. Pathetic yesterday, pathetic every day since the very beginning
March 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's like Obama voters on TPM are so far left they belong with Hugo Chavez. While Obamaistas beat up poor old Gerry, the # 1 ABC.com story Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
FIRE "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright SENATOR OBAMA, uniter may ass.
March 13, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, wow, wow. I had no idea that Wright was that radical.
March 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow - I also had no idea. So this is the church that Obama has been *voluntarily* going to over the last 20 years or so for his spiritual and moral guidance and development. That raises serious questions in my mind.
March 13, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player: Calm down. The days of the Baby Boomer's is over as much I hate to admit it (I am one).
March 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fire him from what, exactly? He has no role with the campaign.
I don't think Obama has the authoirty to fire Rev. Wright from Rev. Wright's church.
March 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should address the REV. Wright comments, also the story on FOX related to Wright's alleged endorsement and find himself a new church.
"In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001."
Was Obama in attendance?
Either way, nobody wins this game. Short of a 1979-82 economy, the Democratic nominee will lose. The party is too divided and the losing candidate's supporters (most likely Hillary's boomers and elder voters) will vote McCain. McCain will be smart and pick a moderate, Romney who really is a moderate is a perfect move.
March 13, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't necessarily needs to address the comments, but I’m sure he will. As he has in the past.
March 13, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
er...I don't necessarily think he needs to address the comments, but I’m sure he will. As he has in the past.
March 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC's intent from the beginning... it's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder... HRC's campaign has always been about HRC 24/7, the Democratic Party, the country, the people be damned... if she can't have it, no one will... she's simply a sore loser, a spoiler a la Ralph Nader.... hello President McCain.
March 13, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, merlot,
Here is a thought experiment for you. Try out your description of a candidate with a narcissistic personality disorder on YOUR candidate.
Perhaps we are all projecting here.
March 13, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton should demand that he hire Wright and then fire him.
March 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. But he does have the moral authority to rebuke him, if he's got the guts. This is Obama's Sista Soulja moment. Will he step up to it? I doubt it. It's a matter of character as much as anything else.
March 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'll see.
Obama's rejected Wright's comments in the past (compared him the old uncle who says stuff you don't always agree with).
March 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
How do you fire someone who's not working for you? Or stumping for you? That like me telling Josh Marshall to fire you for being a tool.
March 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact Obama listens to a pastor that speaks about whites the way he does, with such hatred, even those like Hillary who have faught against racisim their entire careers, should make people pause. Is this where Obama learned to call his opponents "racists" in order to disqualify their opinions.
March 13, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seem to be forgetting that no one "picked" Obama to make history. He is an extremely talented politician running for President of the United States; he has won the votes of millions of voters in an electoral contest. No doubt, this makes history, but not because some party officials "picked" him as a token figurehead.
March 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
OKjohn: Saying that blacks vote 80-90% for Obama is not forbidden to discuss, nor was Ferraro discussing it. We can discuss why senior white women break over 70/30 for Hillary. Thet are true facts, and there's nothing wrong with you analyzing them, discussing them, noting the loyalties they show. That's not racist, that's totally fair.
Ferraro said in 1988 of Jesse Jackson, and in 2008 of Barack Obama, that he is only here because he's black. But with Obama, the statement is empirically wrong, because he's gotten roughly 10MM nonblack votes, and won outright the white votes in Virginia and Wisconsin (and the entire Great Plains, intermountain West, HI, WA). So it's simply inaccurate bordering on stupid to say that he's winning "because of" the black vote. It would be whiny to say HRC is winning because of the votes of older white women. I don't recall a drumbeat of Obama messages to that effect, though it's true. Put aside sexist/racist, it's whiny. People are allowed to vote how they choose. We don't have a moral claim that our fellow party members must vote differently. So to complain about their choice breaking on race or gender lines is divisive, putting aside loaded words like racist and sexist. It's saying their choice is less valid. I'm not presumptuous enough to tell older white women or young black men how to think. Some people are, I guess.
The deeper weirdness about those people emotionally invested in continuing to defend whatever they project into her comments, is a question -- why do you have to discuss that blacks vote 80-90% for him? What do you care? What's your problem with it?
Do you mind when blacks vote Democratic against Republicans by these same margins? Is the argument that Hillary is owed more black votes? Because if it is, why isn't Obama owed more senior votes, more white votes, or more woman votes?
Let's just get over the breathless offense at how other people vote and see who wins the process, and support them as the nominee.
March 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
All right, articleman, I will try to explain further how Gerry and many others, including myself, have become so frustrated. We deeply beleive that the Democratic Party MUST come through in this election. If another Republican is elected, and continues the war in Iraq, we hate to think about how much further our beloved nation will fall.
So that is why we are concerned.
As a lifelong Democrat out here in a crimson (and cream, go OU) state, it seems extremely unwise to accuse people like Bill Clinton and Gerry Ferraro of being racists. Good grief, if they are racists, what about the rest of us. We are indeed not racists, so this is where the frustration comes in.
I do agree with you that racism cannot be an issue, because if it is, we lose and the country falls down further. So David Axelrod needs to get this message. Stop playing the PC card!!!!
March 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I for one have developed a very negative opinion of Obama because of the way he has run his campaign and the things his supporters are saying and doing with the help of the MSM such as Oberman and the rest on MSNBC. I did not have that negative opininion of him in the beginning but I do now. MSNBC has helped flame this anger and disgust.
And because of that, I will not vote for him if he's the nominee. So everytime all of you clap and celebrate when people like Oberman and Shuster push your twisted negative spin on Hillary, just remember, you don't gain support, you lose it.
I like every Hillary supporter I now know, will vote for McCain if this election is stolen from Hillary by this undemocratic caucus vote that has helped him rack up tainted caucus delegates.
Rae
March 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha, stolen with the caucus vote? That's a new line.
"I will not stand by while Obama steals this election by winning the most states, securing the most pledged delegates and getting the most votes. It's a travesty to the Democratic process!"
March 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has the popular vote and the most pledged delegates. He will still have them by convention time. There is no way that he can "steal" the nomination. He's already earned it.
On the other hand, with the delegate math how it is now, the only way Hillary can win is to steal it.
March 13, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm....I see your point. Lead by example, do you?
March 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Ms. Ferraro's statements and the support she's been getting for them are teaching me a lot about some Clinton supporters.
I have a new understanding of where you're coming from, and it isn't pretty. I expected the battle over race to happen in the election, but it seems to be happening in the Dem Party.
March 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the very clear snapshot of the typical HRC supporter and how they will support the Democratic Party in November.
March 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
" This made Gerry mad and she quite articulately described how she had participated in the creation of the superdelegate thing back in 1984, and how the whole idea was that the superdelegates be independent."
Oh wow...I just remembered reading about the very first Superdelegates controversy, that was when Walter Mondale used it to oust front-runner Gary Hart and caused a near civil war in the Democratic Party. So, Mondale/Ferraro created the Superdelegates as a coup instrument.
The "Democratic" Party - what an oxymoron.
March 13, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, so here's the interview with Gary Hart who is an Obama supporters. Interesting that Mondale/Ferraro and the Dems were completely humiliated, such was the scale of the defeat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4598219
Uncanny how history seems to repeat, with the undead now haunting their doppelganger. Eerie.
Can we take on the Establishment this time?
March 13, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have raised an interesting point, Qwerty.
Former Senator Hart does appear to be saying that he was cheated out of the nomination, due to the unfair influence of the superdelegates.
For the record, though, he was almost universally viewed as a totally unacceptable and unelectable candidate. He had a widely publicized affair with a young woman, during the campaign itself. That just doesn't go over well these days.
March 13, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hart ran twice, and the scandal was related to his 1988 Presidential run, not the 1984 Mondale/Ferraro coup. And the parrallels with Obama are uncanny! Both came from way back behind, (gee, if Obama's appeal is his race, why didn't all the white guilt liberals and AAs flock to his campaign from the go?) to launch brilliant, well-run campaigns, both are considered too "centrist", "innovative", etc. Both represent a new type of politics, promising Change.
Both were running as Davids to the party Goliaths.
Now that's the *real* story, not this race card they're furiously peddling to obscure the far more exciting truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart
" Hart was a little-known Senator and barely received above 1% in the polls against better-known candidates such as Walter Mondale, John Glenn, and Reverend Jesse Jackson.
Two weeks later, in the New Hampshire primary, he shocked much of the party establishment and the media by defeating Mondale by ten percentage points. Hart instantly became the main challenger to Mondale for the nomination, and appeared to have the momentum on his side.
...The two men swapped victories in the primaries, with Hart getting exposure as a candidate with "new ideas" and Mondale rallying the party establishment to his side. The two men fought to a draw in the Super Tuesday primaries, with Hart winning states in the West, Florida, and New England. Mondale fought back and began ridiculing what he claimed to be the emptiness of Hart's ideas. In the most famous television moment of the campaign, he ridiculed Hart's "new ideas" by quoting a line from a popular Wendy's television commercial at the time: "Where's the beef?"
Mondale's remark was not effectively countered by Hart's campaign, and when Hart — who was seen by many voters as a fresh, honest alternative to typical politicians — ran stereotyped negative TV commercials against Mondale in the crucial Illinois primary, his campaign descended to the level of ordinary politics that Mondale represented, and Hart's appeal as a new kind of Democrat never quite entirely recovered...."
March 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are right, the similarities are incredible. So where do you think we are now in this campaign, as compared to Hart/Mondale's?
March 13, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFL
March 13, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has 2 distinct advantages over Hart, the internet for fundraising and a big chunk of non-committed superdelegates who have witheld because of 1984, I believe. I don't know much about the Mondale-Hart fight, but it looks like Hillary's doing everything she can to swing the delegates her way, including repeating the em, highly original "empty suit/where's the beef" mantra, opening several fronts on race, etc., forcing Obama's hand. Hart's mistake was to go negative in the desperate end-game but he KOed his own wildly popular "hope" persona then. Obama must NOT go negative, but us, well, us rabid delusional supporters, maybe we don't mind having a go with the proverbial pig in the mud and kicking up a stink. I'm with Andrew Sullivan that way.
March 13, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, maybe. But you surely know how the blogosphere now conrols the tone of mainstream media.
The SC hysterics was pushed into media by the blogosphere. The Ferraro hysterics was pushed by DailyKos, Drudge, etc.
I think the blogosphere is actually killing Obama, by provoking these kinds of explosive tricks and tempting Axelrod to try to exploit them. Sullivan said Clinton can only win by driving up Obama's negatives and I think the blogosphere is really doing it for her.
March 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
On my goodness, my how time does cause one's memory to fade.
I apoligize to you, and I thank you for refresing my memory and reminding me of the interesting campaign back in 1984.
March 13, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
JoeOK,
You're most welcomed. I have to thank you for bringing this up in the first place so I had an incentive to Google the Democratic party history. It really is an uphill battle for Obama. I hope Hart gives Obama good advice.
Lalo35adm,
Obama has the conundrum of looking weak and swift-boated if he doesn't reply to the negative attacks and looking like the usual politician if he fights back. Unfortunately, negatives, lies, rumors, smears all work. You can tell by the feeding frenzy at Fox, the blogosphere, the MSM that they are trying to steer the debate away from the substance to this direction. They've got to tear him down in order that the old politics Clinton-McCain will prevail. After looking up Hart's history, I'm more convinced than ever that the power elites are not going to have their hold wrested away by an outsider and something so mundane as the choice/will of the people.
March 14, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a real freak?
I think most people thought this moron was dead or never really existed until she came out of the woods in the last few weeks.
Sorry gradma from hell, sorry he is black and doesn't have a vagina.
Black, Hispanic, Asian and even many working class and middle class white women-I don't think they have anything in common with these rich and elite white feminist freaks.
March 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will someone wheel in a gurney and physically remove her from the public eye. Doesn't she have a kindly neice or someone who cares enough to bundle her off?
March 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the very clear snapshot of the typical HRC supporter and how they will support the Democratic party retake the White House in November.
March 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Obama's campaign is playing the race card. But they do it in such a brazen fashion that nobody can believe he would be so shameless about it. They are always looking for something to twist out of proportion so they can lablel it subtle racism. And when somebody like Ferraro tells the truth in a tactless way, they make sure that their remarks get the widest possible coverage.
Obama has led the Democratic party into an absurd and dishonest fantasyland where he's pretending that race has nothing to do with the campaign (in spite of the lopsided result in places like Mississippi), and anyone who dares to suggest that it does is automatically labeled a racist. He's basically made supporting him the litmus test of whether or not you are racist. And it's worked very well with blacks and guilt-ridden liberals in the primary. But in the general election it will be a very different matter. Because Republicans aren't afraid of using the race card too. And they're much better at it than he is, and always have been.
March 13, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
All I did was to read all the interviews Ferraro gave on this topic. And I noticed also that she said exactly the same thing about Obama, Jesse Jackson and HERSELF, all three wouldn't be there if it wasn't for WHO they were.
So, it's not a premise of any kind. Just an attempt to look at the actual words, versus the hysterics from the media and political gain by the campaigns.
Hope you can do the same.
March 13, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is polarization in microcosm.
Democrats are not so different from the country at large. Our first impluse when confronting disagreement is to choose sides, dig in and start tossing bombs, just like everybody else.
I'm an Obama supporter. Hell, I may be starstruck. I'm disgusted by the tone the campaign is taking, and I think Hillary is responsible for 75% of it.
Among other reasons, I support Obama because he does offer a chance to begin transcending the racial, as well as the political, divide, rather than try to game them for his own ends as so many others do.
But I also think Ferraro has a point. In fact, if she did not, then the hope of racial transcendence would not exist. As a white man, I will admit that Obama would not be as attractive to me if he were not black. Liberal guilt may enter into it - not for me to judge. I doubt that I'd be as starstruck for Edwards - I'd probably be more pragamatic.
Obama's blackness is far from the ONLY reason I wnat to see him in the White House. But it is A reason, and I see no reason why it cannot be admitted and addressed, albeit with more sensitivity than Ferraro exhibited.
And I'm troubled by the tendency of my fellow Obama supporters to shout down attempts to do so.
March 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferraro has been quick to accuse the Obama campaign of horrendous and racist attacks on her -- but where are these attacks? In fact there are none; Obama's response has been calm, thoughtful, and even good-humored. This, rather than his race, is what makes him truly an historic candidate.
Ferraro is like the lady who sees a black man on the sidewalk, so she crosses to the other side, because -- you know -- black people have it in for white people. The Clinton campaign has not been equal to the crisis of perception that Ferraro has stirred up; on the contrary, they seem willing to exploit it, the way politicians traditionally do. This is exactly why HRC is not quite as historic a candidate.
Race and gender interest me less than the decisions a person makes -- the things a person has control of.
March 13, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Though I've never been a huge fan of Ferraro, I really admire the manner in which she's sticking to her guns on this issue — instead of publishing some touchy-feely apology. I particularly liked this gutsy little flourish: "Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up … Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"
Good to see someone exercising a little bit of backbone. It makes a nice counterpoint to the mass media's obsequious Obama love-in.
March 13, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG!!
Ha, Fox is playing clips from Obama's church.
I'd like to see any of you explain how Wright, Obama's best friend and pastor, ain't racist!
This is what Obama has been sitting and listening to and supporting by his tithes, for the last 10 years??
If these were not HIS opinions, would he have stayed there all these years??
Kiss the election goodbye, Obama-mites. The more the American public sees these clips, they will see behind Obama's curtain, the real man.
And to think how you're hopping up and down over Ferraro's comments! LOL ..... how pathetic you all are. Hypocrisy has never known such bounds!
Rae
March 13, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's quite a stretch, even for you.
Are Wright's comments disgusting? Yes.
Does Wright in any way speak for Obama? No.
The end.
March 13, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I think he may be a Freeper. But his obvious glee in catching Wright and Obama out is probably pretty indicative of what Obama will face in the Fall. You might want to start getting your heads around the fact that America is very unlikely to take a chance on Obama. Probably time to consider a Third Party if you're serious about change.
March 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Billy, is that you in disguise. Welcome back my friend. I thought you left after your "whining" rant a few weeks earlier. Thank you for your educated opinion, we illiterates are ready for the lecture.
March 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I have come back through time to protect Hillary Clinton and defend the Democratic Party!
March 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back!!! I guess we folks at TPM have convinced you to get a hair cut.
Also Good to know, you have taken my advice and finally rented a few movies. Now unlock the basement door, step out side and save Hillary- you are exactly the one she needs, if you know what I mean.
March 13, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rae: Are you not the same wise ass who compared Obama to Hitler and supporters to Nazis and you call us pathetic?
As you say, he has no chance of winning in living hell until majority of people like you and Faux plague this country.
I for one just want to see Clintons- the politcal whores- be wiped out. May be it will take four more years for a democrat to win the White House- it doesn't look like Obama can win but sure Hillary will not either,because she has no numbers to secure the nomination.
I think Hillary Clinton with her politics as done a service to people like me- she opened my eyes to the fact that this country is infested with people who still fear Islamic robe photos and a 3 A.M. phone calls.
Wright is a a**hole but thankfully he is not a super delegate and doesn't have any role in politics but the crazy moron Geraldine does.
I think it will take 20-30 more years before we can elect a president without looking at their color- because it requires quite a few old farts to be dead and south to enter into 21 century.
March 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
In 1968, Lyndon Johnson said it would take 100 years. So that means we have to wait until at least 2067. Being from the future myself, I can tell you not a lot of progress was made in the next 25 years. But the machines had a way of unifying the human race. Similar to what we'll see happen in the Fall, no matter who our candidate is. We were almost wiped out, but we're coming back.
March 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like you were just searching for someone to hate. Or for "anyone but Hillary" to love. Or both.
Are you even a Democrat?
What do you care more about: helping Dems win or helping Clinton loose?
March 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm definetly in the "anyone but Hillary" camp since she run the 3 A.M. ad. Right out of republican play book of fearing mongering.
I'm not in the group who think Obama is a messaih who will save us all-but he is much better candidate. She has basically run a republican campaign beginning Wisconsin primary. From "Islamic robe" photo leak to endorsing McCain as a C-in-C to knock Obama;
Hillary is making sure there is no pride left in being a democrat- so I don't mind if I'm not one.
BTW let's see if McCain will endorse her as C-in-C.
March 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama weren't black, he'd just be some charismatic, young white Democrat completely indistinguishable from guys like JFK, Jimmy Carter, or Clinton.
March 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama doesn't play the race card?
It's on tape!!
March 13, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha, that's not Obama!
March 13, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and let's not miss this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkSJfv8icI
March 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone please help me reconstruct a time line of what happened when? One of the points Ferraro made in something I saw this morning was that the Obama campaign found the Daily Breeze article and brought it to the press' attention so they could attack her ---- but others have said it was sent around by the Clinton campaign (waving it in Obama's face, so to speak, to start a fight) ---- and others say the press found it and started asking both campaigns about it (waving it in front of both campaigns, so to speak, to simply make trouble and a hot story).
No matter what happened, or happens now, this whole incident IS going to damage the Democratic Party and Sen. Obama, possibly Sen. Clinton as well but less likely. Therefore, I think it's important to know HOW it all developed - and, if possible, WHO "played the race card."
Once you start breaking down these things to the actual facts, sometimes a pattern emerges. Learning the facts can't make things much worse: according to the CW now, every older white woman in the US is furious at Obama (not totally true - I'm one of them and furious at Ferraro and then Clinton!) and the Republicans are literally licking their chops (unfortunately that one probably true).
It's very obvious that Ferraro believes the Obama campaign found her quote and decided to make a big deal of it, portray her in a bad light to make political gain. And maybe they did following Samantha Power. But it's odd ... She'd said the same thing several weeks ago on John Gibson radio show and nothing happened, and the Daily Breeze article was published before the OH/TX/RI/VT primaries. So why is this suddenly an issue now? And how did it happen.
March 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I recall, Elizabeth2, is that day before yesterday, or maybe Monday, David Axelrod suddenly started demanding that Gerry be "fired".
I do not recall hearing anything about the California interview before that.
That is why I think that it is Axelrod that has been behind these moves, including the one accusing Bill Clinton of racism after the SC primary.
March 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at these videos and see if you can - if anyone can - still claim that the Obama people didn't start this whole thing off playing the race card:
March 13, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Taking the, um, historical context into account, maybe this deranged outraged Ferraro is reliving vicariously another ignonimious moment. HRC is practically her political reincarnation. Of course Reagan's 2nd term was a disaster beset by scandals and problems of Alzheimers to the country's detriment.
So, here we are, Act II of this political farce-tragedy unfolding.
At least when Hillary gets annihilated by McCain and we all go down the hell-hole with an insane warmonger who is convinced he's Churchill, we'd have seen it coming.
March 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keith has said his piece. The ball's in Hillary's court now, and the silence is deafening. Kinda like a dog whistle.
March 13, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should she reply to that hysterical rant? Politico responded for her, didn't they?
March 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
First Michelle states:
"for the first time in my life, I am proud to be an American".
Now his pastor states:
... and Obama declined comment....
His co-members say "I don't call that radical."
So who inserted racism into this race?
Its all on video:
March 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
When did Wright become Obama's spokesman?
How are Wright's diatribes to be construed as Obama injecting race into the campaign?
Please take your time and explain this very carefully.
March 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
shhhhh, applying logic to RaeK is futile.
March 13, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really need to repeat this, pls. bear with me. Obama's support accrued over time. if it had been all about white guilt, affirmative action and AAs voting for their own, in other words, his race, the faithful would have flocked to him from the word go.
The logic is twisted like a Mobius Strip. The Black guy's run is historic because he's black and since he's black, it's historic. It can't be anything else. Not his considerable achievements, not his brilliant grass-root campaign, not his well-planned outreach or his readiness. not the power of his message or his charisma, not his campaign's brilliant performance with relatively young and untested operatives in contrast to Hillary's well-oiled machine peopled with guys who ran successful Presidential campaigns for Bill TWICE. And of course Bill himself, adored as the shining sun after 8 years of Bush, there lurking, promising...
This is not a race story. This is a David and Goliath story.
But what? Nothing to see there, just a Black-out, a race thing, a tedious PC debate, nothing to see, move on, nothing to see...
March 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Qwert, Sen. Obama has enormous political talent. Yes, he is a wonderful orator.
But the key question is: can he bring our hurting, wounded country together again?
This depends on one's assessment of his character.
Since most of us do not know him personally, we have to make this assessment based on how he conducts himself in the campaign, and the kind of people that he has around him.
Here are two huge negatives for him as I see it: David Axelrod and Rev. Wright.
March 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the key question is: can he bring our hurting, wounded country together again?
No one can know for sure. But I have much more faith in Obama's ability to do so than Clinton's.
March 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
But don't forget McCain has 2 huge negatives, too, Hagee and McCain.
March 13, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget Parsley.
March 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Raek: You said it and We get it. Your clean German White ass is officially a republican now. Go McCain!!!
Happy?
Stop using republican "patriotic" filth and make sure to wear a flappel pin you get out of the house from now on. Believe me you need one.
March 13, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"US of KKKA" direct quote from Rev. Wright... watch the ABC.com video.
Church members: "I'd call it being black in America."
"http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
And folks bitch about some poor old woman who actually stated facts. Obama's dear racist minister, that's ok. Kiss the nomination goodbye.
March 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've convinced me; I will not be voting for Rev. Wright this fall.
March 13, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wright/Ferraro '08!
Now there's a ticket!
March 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course you'd have Wright as the head of the ticket, you sexist man.
March 13, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
My bad!
Ferraro/Wright '08!
Better?
March 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like RaeK's happy.
Why are we here if not to bring meaning and purpose to your life, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fht4iULu0w8
March 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL...
Now that was funny. I know how that sheep feels.
March 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, dear old uncle....
How about denounce and reject?
March 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can tell from their no-holds-barred pre-emptive carpet-bombing blindly lashing out at Obama that the Repubs are quaking in their boots, more scared than Hillary....it's so droll.
Bring it on, sunshine!
March 13, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't remember Jesus playing the race card.
March 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wll according to Obama and his pastor, Jesus was black (they forget Jesus was a Jew).
If you listen to those videos,
is one of them, you see why they make Jesus black. Because its the only way they can pretend to love him. They couldn't love him if he were white.Rae
March 13, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
He wasn't white either. He was a Semite. That's Asian.
I seemed to have missed Obama's position on Jesus' ethnicity. Can you point it to me at BarakObama.com?
March 13, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus was a black man.
Jesus wasn't racist.
ERGO... black people are not racist!
Simple. And if you disagree, you are a racist and you don't matter.
March 13, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The transitive property of idiocy.
March 13, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus only got to where he was because he was black.
March 13, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Obama: "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright:
“The Romans were rich, the Romans were Italians, which means they were Europeans which means they were white which means they ran everything in Jesus's country."
“RICH WHITE MEN FIT THE MOLD.”
“Hillary ain't never been called a nigger,” no… just a bitch.
Really? "Living in the US of KKK A"
Santus Obama plays the race card again!
March 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a hunch, but these seem to be some of those things that Obama "do[es]n't agree with."
March 13, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's on the tape I understand and keeps coming back for more. Beat up a poor old woman but not a racist preacher. And of course Mrs. Obama is now at middle age proud to be an American.
Obama's pastor is a racist, and an anti-American bigot to boot. The "moral stand" would be to condemn Wright and change Obama's church as apparently the Rev. Wright propaganda is available for purchase.
Hope/Change. “Hillary ain't never been called a nigger,”
March 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next time I misspeak, I will excuse myself as having had a "Ferraro Moment."
Ferraro has been on victim overdrive since Bush Sr. bragged how he"d "kicked a little ass" in the 1984 vice presidential debate.
She proved a costly drag on the Mondale ticket with the drip-by-drip debacle over releasing her and her husband"s tax returns. In 1985, he pleaded guilty in a fraudulent scheme to obtain bank financing.
In her second failed attempt at the NY Senate seat in 1998, her opponent accused her of "running on the fumes of fame." After squandering an early 27% lead in the polls, the electorate caught the aroma, giving her only 26% of their votes in a primary runoff against Chuck Schumer. Her campaign was bedeviled by fundraising problems, campaign mismanagement and inconsistent messaging.
She has resurfaced again propelled by the fumes of fame. Only this time, she has done for herself what voters wouldn't do for her -- stopped her permanent slide into complete oblivion.
March 13, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
why dosnt TPM show video of obama's pastor J> WRIGHT......you want to see racisim at its finest watch and listen to him
March 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Chuck Todd:
Obama has improved on eight of 10 attributes, including the commander-in-chief question (he trails Clinton here by just five points among Democrats). Clinton, on the other hand, has stagnated on nine out of 10 attributes and has dropped in the other: being likeable. Overall, Clinton leads Obama in the Dem horserace, 47%-43%, the closest it has ever been in the poll...
Bill Clinton's legacy has taken a real hit in the last year. In March 2007, his fav/unfav was 49%-35%. Now it's a net negative: 42%-45%. His numbers have gradually gotten worse as the campaign has gone on. In November, it was 47%-40%; in January, it was 44%-41%, and now it's 42%-45%. The reason? His support among African Americans and Obama voters has greatly eroded. ...
The percentage of respondents who correctly identified Obama as a Christian increased from 18% to 37%. But those identifying him as a Muslim also increased five points (from 8% to 13%).
March 13, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
To everyone who is buying into her RE-characterization of what she said, please read the original article:
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8489268
One that she said several times that she stood by and didn't regret. There's no excitement about the wonderful outpouring of support from the AA community, or appreciation of the *dual* historic factors of the race ..... just complaints about the sexist media and the empty (black) suit. Even the reporter said she exhibited a "bitter edge."
If she wants to back down, then great! Let her and I thank her for it. But let's not re-write history ... especially when it's right there to see.
March 13, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like the only thing Ferraro forgot to say was that Hillary's campaign has been as successful as it is because she is female, and is garnering a lot of female votes.
But she's certainly right about Obama, too, and I'm glad she stuck to her guns. They've both got sub-groups fawning all over them, many of the Obamaites are fawning right here on TPM's blog.
March 13, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
with their ferraro coverage, TPM has made it clear they are a pro-obama site. why hasn't TPM covered with equal regard the misogynist sites and groups dedicated to senator clinton? "iron my shirt?" "make me a sandwich?" where is the outrage there?
call me a racist if you want. i don't care. this is despicable.
March 14, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think all of this talk about racism, Ferraro, gender etc. is getting old. The real issues of the day are: Iran, Iraq, Darfur, education, the economy, veterans, national security, ethics in government etc.
The reason my family and I voted for Obama is because of his Iraq War stance. Personally, I am not a Clinton supporter for her Iraq War stance.
Obama has more years of elective office than Clinton. The fact that he was a community organizer, a lawyer, constitutional law professor, a State Senator and a US Senator- as well as his integrity, judgement, clarity of thought, actions, legislation, conviction, morality, experience and foreign policy finesse is the reason I think most Americans vote for him, not to mention his ability to work with Republicans and Independents in Congress and pass legislation in the national interest. It is substance that wins him votes, not his race, not guilt, etc.
Historic, maybe, but the reason it is historic is because of how well he has done, not because of his race! And how well he has done is because voters see and know of his qualifications and accomplishments, legislation etc.
Further for those who wish to slight the intelligence of the American people- Obama's plans on the economy, the economic stimulus plan, health care and social security as well as immigration, fiscal and tax policy are why we are attracted to him. The American people are a good judge of character. Not only that, the Obama campaign has done a wonderful job of organizing, getting out the vote, etc. They have worked hard over the past few months and have done a phenomenal job!
Clinton has done a great job in this nation as well, I do not mean to discount her. I think we should stop this bickering and unite behind the candidate who is winning. The fact that so many Republicans voted for Clinton is scary and shows me that she doesn't have enough support among Democracts. Also, you have to admit she used fear to get votes with that telephone ad. Obama campaign shouldn't have said much about Ferraro, because it took our eyes off the prize. Hopefully Axelrod will see that it was essentially a trap to get voter's minds off what really matters, making America better and making America a better place. We will all be sorry if McCain wins, think about it. Let's swallow our pride! It makes no sense to gain the world but loose your soul.
March 14, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I mean making America better and also making the WORLD a better place! sorry, thanks.
March 14, 2008 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like Ferraro struck a nerve. The fact is that the biggest wish of the Obama camp and their supporters is to portray all criticisms of Obama, and anyone who does not support his candidacy, as racist.
And does anyone actually believe that if Obama were not half-black that he would be receiving the same level of support? He is in fact receiving overwhelming support from blacks, for the reason perhaps best expressed by Oprah. And he is receiving support from whites who clearly enjoy the cachet it confers on them.
March 14, 2008 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jodyphile, you are wrong in your supposition of why people support Obama. At least, I can speak for myself; it is not because I want to "enjoy the cachet." And I don't suggest that all criticism of Obama is racist.
I'm upset by Ferraro's comments not because she "struck a nerve," but because she reduced an obviously brilliant politician to a skin color. Would he still be a top candidate if he were only white? I think so -- but no one can know, and it's weird to get resentful (as Ferraro seemed to be) over an unknown. Would Hillary be a top candidate if she were a man, or if her last name wasn't Clinton? Unknown.
March 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
would obama be a top candidate if he were white? known: he would be john edwards. obama would be irrelevant.
March 14, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink